Advan RcII look-alike by ROTA

[driftk2000]

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[Dousan_PG]

SIGH

i hate knockoffs. :( :mad:

[driftk2000]

I need to find these knock offs in 4 lug coz the cost avg. $650 for a set of 17"s.

I happen to like rota wheels BTW..coz they won't cost me an arm and leg.

[ruf]

F()CK Rota. F()CK knockoffs.

[andrave]

as long as knockoffs are well made I don't think they are so bad, I'd like to have some nice 15 or 16" rims but I can't see paying more for rims than I paid for my car.
rota makes some cool knockoffs. most are wrong bolt pattern or offset for 240 tho. sad.

[Dousan_PG]

NO its not ok
they are copying and cheating another company out of money
they obviously dont have the smarts and or orginality to start their own designs, so theyll copy another companies

not cool

i have no respect for people with knock off wheels. go buy your konigs and be happy. i'll settle for the real deal, even if it costs more. at least when i walk out and look at my car i'll smile knowing i have the REAL thing

knock offs are like a GTR 240sx. you wish it was, but it never is and never will be the real thing.

[ruf]

Knockoffs should NEVER be ok. Why not wear a "BOLEX" or a pair of "Adibas"? They are trying to capitalize off of someone else's creativity and design without any regard to quality of manufacture. That is nothing short of plagiarism. The RCII aren't even that nice a wheel. I'd like to see them do a copy of the TCII and watch them all crack at the centers. :mad:

As for spending more money than the car costs, the car itself has been the cheapest thing I've bought in the whole project. It just comes with the territory. TIRES will probably cost more than my car did. If you don't have the money to buy good wheels, then don't buy crap wheels just for their copycat looks. Otherwise you just look like every other ghetto ricer out there. Save up until you can get the good/real stuff. If you say "I can't save $1K+ for wheels", then I guess you really didn't want wheels that bad in the first place...

[SilviaDriver]

what about their other knock off haha

http://www.rotawheels.com/grid.htm

Rota Grid = TE37

dang..that sucks

[driftk2000]

Rota knock offs are an exception to me no matter what anyone

says..I won't jump on the bandwagon with some fools(Some

have $$$ coz they own a shop) and only settle for the real thing.

Hey mama's boys, ya'll seem to narrow-minded to notice that

most wheelmakers share similar designs for lightweight

technology. look around..Riding on wheels with a similar design is

nothing like wearing imitation sneakers. Say what you say...I'm

just keepin it real.. You go and spend your cash on the "Real Thing"...we're talking about wheels here bud..not britney spears..

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by ruf
Knockoffs should NEVER be ok. Why not wear a "BOLEX" or a pair of "Adibas"? They are trying to capitalize off of someone else's creativity and design without any regard to quality of manufacture. That is nothing short of plagiarism. The RCII aren't even that nice a wheel. I'd like to see them do a copy of the TCII and watch them all crack at the centers. :mad:

As for spending more money than the car costs, the car itself has been the cheapest thing I've bought in the whole project. It just comes with the territory. TIRES will probably cost more than my car did. If you don't have the money to buy good wheels, then don't buy crap wheels just for their copycat looks. Otherwise you just look like every other ghetto ricer out there. Save up until you can get the good/real stuff. If you say "I can't save $1K+ for wheels", then I guess you really didn't want wheels that bad in the first place...

AMEN BROTHER RUF!
I'm surprised more people don't feel this way, it's funny... really goes to show what the fanbase of a car is... you'd never hear a thread like this in say, the TT forums.... things that make you go, "Hmmmm..."

[Dousan_PG]

there's no way to win trying to explain it.

good for you, you support hacks and theives. be proud!

more proof the average "enthusiast" is cheap

my tire fund cost more then my car. big deal. part of life. the mods and suspension alone are worth more then the car!

[driftk2000]

Next time you look in magazine and see new wheels, they share similarities..Maybe that will get through people's head if it wasn't so thick..

good for you, you support hacks and theives. be proud


I suppose every wheelmaker that makes 5 star rims are hacks and theives per this guys theory.

[Dousan_PG]

actually no.
there are so many different types of 5 spoke
split, single, thin fat, various designs

you musnt see many wheels if you think this. there are so many variations of wheels out there and types.

you should look at more wheels. might learn something. new and original designs come out very often.

[driftk2000]

Good for you..You're getting there..but still a debater that ain't man enough to look both ways..

[ruf]

Name two wheels by two reputable companies that look EXACTLY the same.

Sure designs can be similar for the sake of FUNCTION. When it comes to performance, there are only a few designs that work well. But knockoff companies like Rota have no such pretense. The do not care about function, only FORM. Particularly, cashing in on someone else's design to fool people into mistaking them for the real thing instead of creating their own concept of what looks good.

Riding on wheels with a similar design is nothing like wearing imitation sneakers.It's EXACTLY like it. This isn't a black t-shirt. Who cares if it says D&G or Hanes? That's just generic. Aftermarket wheels have a SPECIFIC appearance and are very model/brand recognizable. To copy that specific appearance is just fake and trying to pass them off as something they're not. Wearing Hanes black socks instead of Nike black socks is fine. Wearing NiXe Shok instead of Nike Shox is just straight up ghetto posing.

edit: Not that I care what kind of shoes people wear. I'm not nearly that superficial. I'd just snicker at you for thinking you're something you're not. :p And I'm not mama's boy, if I wanted something, I worked/saved/sacrificed until I could get it. And I don't have money because I own a shop. I own a shop because I have money.

[Rennen]

To the common people who don't have "hookups" from japan or run a shop, there is a huge price difference between knockoffs and the real thing, and I have absolutely no problem saving myself some money as long as the quality is decent. As far as the limited sizes, my car doesn't make 500+hp, hell I doubt it even makes 125rwhp right now, so there is really no need for a 10" wide wheel out back to get good handling. I figure someday I will have sufficient funds to pay homage to the gods of JDM and pay the huge markup for new Volks or something, but until then knockoffs are good enough.

-Matt

[ruf]

Originally posted by Rennen
knockoffs are good enough.STOCK WHEELS are good enough. I'm having stickers made that say "Better off STOCK!" Tired of all the ghetto upgrades I see around here. I'm not saying that everyone should buy Nismo LMGT4 Limiteds or Volk Forged Mag or SSR SP1 from me. Just don't spend your money on crap. For the $650 that it would cost for those horrific Rotacrap wheels, You could go junkyard shopping and get some really nice Nissan/Infiniti alloys that would fit. Heck, for a little more you could throw in a 5-lug conversion, wheels and STILL maybe come out under $1K. $350? What is that? Not eating out for a month? Two months? Not going out to party? Not buying CD's? Not buying that new shirt that you wanted? Cancelling your cable? What's it worth to you? Do you want wheels that bad? That was my mentality growing up (though back then it was a new mountain bike or springs/struts for my Accord or some other useless thing in hindsight). But now you've got $1000 saved up. Now what? How about another month or so? Now you've got $1500. I can get you the real Advans to your door for less than that. It's all a matter of what you want and how bad you want it.

[NiteKids]

many wheels share the same design because........oh waits that right they were COPIED OFF ANOTHER WHEEL!

[ruf]

Great. See how dumb your argument is? Even Nitekids is agreeing with you. :o

[driftk2000]

Quick..Stop buying Advan knock offs..Reflex Racing is not feeling

that...The owner's afraid no one will buy his Advans.. You must

have a lot of ricers in your area.. too bad for you.. Some peeps

with rotas don't rice; don't get it mixed up. If some rota wheels

weighing at 12lbs a peice will do the job on the track, then let it

be. Don't trip..there's no need for that.. This thread started out

as a question about these wheels not what you hot shots think

about it. Nobody ask for your opinion.

[Johny5]

Personally, I'd roll on knockoffs and did for 6 months on the rota ****streams. Did I put them down and deny them for the real thing everytime someone asked? sure nuff. Yeah it may be ghetto to roll on copies like you guys are saying, but hell I saved $300 a rim and if thats so wrong in your minds then put that $1200 in my hands and help me with the real thing. Until then I'm 18 struggling to find a decent paying job, these will do.

[Bliss]

Originally posted by driftk2000
This thread started out

as a question about these wheels not what you hot shots think

about it. Nobody ask for your opinion.

Actually this thread started as something along the lines of
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Nothing else, which means you left it up to everyone else. And with that, I'll give my opinion. :D The money pincher in me wants to say "same wheel, lower price, buy it", but then im also thinking "they stole that design from so-and-so, thats cheap." I'd wait to buy the real ones, cuz, like dousan said, i don't support thieves. i would hate it if i came up with something and someone stole the idea and sold it for cheaper.

[andrave]

when I'm driving, can I FEEL the thousand dollar difference?
no.
I honestly don't care who makes a rim, if it looks good and is built right, thats all that matters. brand names don't mean **** to me. and I've saved a lot of money that way.
Light weight and good looking matters to me. brand name doesn't.
If it really got down to an exact copy of another's wheel, there are these things called copyrights that protect the original company. as it is, the wheels look similar, cause there are only so many ways to make a rim and fads come and go.
get over it.
you guys are just bummed cause all the girls at the highschool think that the guy with the primered civic rolls the same wheels as your swapped 40 rolling ton TE37's..

[AKADriver]

When I buy knockoff parts I don't feel as if I'm supporting thieves. I feel like I'm supporting a company that's offering a good product for a low price. I won't buy anything that's low quality. By the way, the only "knockoff" parts I have are some strut braces.. cheap and ugly, but functional.

I don't care much what a wheel looks like... and the looks are really all that's being copied by Rota. Rota wheels are made with a different process than the wheels they typically copy. Rotas are high pressure cast, the wheels the spoke designs copy are typically forged. Hence the price difference.

I have a problem with knockoffs that are low quality. And of course, as a 240SX owner, I have a problem with knockoffs that only offer "Honda" sizes.

Speaking of Hondas, when lurking Honda-tech.com forums, I notice something interesting. The guys with show cars and street cars are all running genuine Spoon, Regamaster, Racing Hart, etc. and they love to slam the knockoffs. The guys in the Road Race/Autocross forum that are out there flogging their cars every weekend and winning wheel to wheel races? nothing but Rotas and Koseis...

[misnomer]

So
F*cking
Sick
Of
Rims


Damn people, there are so many better things to spend your money on. Whatever happened to a bit of modesty? Do you have to be rolling around on hugeass rims? Is it really going to impact your performance such that YOU will notice? For most of us, absolutely not. There are those of us who hit the tracks, and can actually benefit from aftermarket wheels, but that isn't most of us.

As far as knockoffs go. . . You all are missing the main point. If it's cheaper, and it's quality (as in strong, lightwieght, wide enough, etc), then I don't give a **** whose name is on the box. Big names don't always mean best quality. Then again, buying a heavier, weaker knockoff just because it looks like an expensive model is completely ****ed up.


. . .Sorry for the rant, just get sick of people seeing my car and going "dood, you need some rimz on that bitch!" Thats a thousand dollars I could use to put into REAL performance. I'll upgrade my wheels when I have too much power for my treads. . . I'll prolly be running on my beautiful 15" alloys for a long, long time :-)

[AKADriver]

well, wheels are a powerful visual upgrade for people who are into that.

I need 16x7.5s to run the tires I want to use, and I want to go to Z brakes, so I'm going to need to change wheels.

But, that's only when my current set of tires is done for... which might not be for a while.

[silforty]

I got no problems with people getting generic wheels (Knocksoff's or Bootlegs if you want to be D*cks about it!) I mean Volks, Rays, RAcing Hart, and whatnot are all greats wheels, but you pay a premium. If some other company makes a wheel that is similar and makes a good (QUALITY) product: Why Hate? Thats the beauty of the capitalistic system we have. Everybody can get in on it. I don't think it's right for the hardcore JDM people to flame some of us blue collar people who get the "Popular" brands like enkei instead of some rays or something. Its all a matter of taste and how much somebody can afford. FA real shame on all the haters who think Volk or bust!

[AKADriver]

Enkei's Japanese-made wheels like the RPO1, RPO2, RPF1, the stock Lancer Evo wheels, are great. Only crappy thing is that Enkei USA doesn't stock the low-offset, wide sizes (of course).

Their US-made wheels do honestly suck. Very heavy!

[silforty]

I was trying to make the point that they are relatively cheap as in priceand they are popular rims. Not quality. I did have trouble with my Enkei RS-5 though

[hooter]

Originally posted by dousan36
SIGH

i hate knockoffs. :( :mad:

You must hate Panasports and Watanabes then.

-Charlie

[Dousan_PG]

ya im not a fan of them actually hooter. i wouldnt buy them.
im saving for some volks or advans.
got some SSRs right now and might get some more SSRs (not sure on which model) because its under 500 for a full set with tires. used of course.


i want some advans though. really bad. but going engine first.

i do my best NOT to suppport knockoffs.

[projectsilvia1]

i got some mahadi cesar wheels that i have never seen on any car before...i just looked at the rota site and they have a copy of my wheel on there....****!!!!! at least mine are made for my car and not universal...and 8inch front and 9inch back

Mike

[revat619]

Originally posted by dousan36
ya im not a fan of them actually hooter. i wouldnt buy them.
im saving for some volks or advans.
got some SSRs right now and might get some more SSRs (not sure on which model) because its under 500 for a full set with tires. used of course.


i want some advans though. really bad. but going engine first.

i do my best NOT to suppport knockoffs.

Why buy a second set of SSR's if your saving for some advans or an engine? Even if it is under 500 for a full set, thats still money that could go toward your advans or your engine.
Well, you have your connections and what not so i guess you have those options.

Anyway, my point is, not everybody is able to get the things you get at the prices you get them at. As far as rims are concerned, as long as the knockoff is good quality and proper for the car, (width,offset,etc.) i could really careless. When the knockoff is crap, then there's a problem. I have SSR's myself and they fit the car perfectly and i paid a pretty penny for them too, but i'm not complaining (although i am pretty broke right now...damn rims...... :p ) All i'm saying is you gotta look at it from the poor man's point of view, and a poor man with no connections at that! :D

[driftk2000]

There're a lot of knock offs that are trash, but there's a lot that
do the job as with looks and performance.
Those big-headed guys on JDM fever will never understand. I buy JDM parts, but doesn't mean I'm going all JDM. People should go with their own style is what I'm trying to get at. For those who don't like it eat a D*CK!!!

[pruto]

you know, for "knockoffs" rotas are pretty friggen good. Yes, i have seen SERIOUS autocrossers use rotas. Why? because when you're floggin' your car and driving it to the limit, **** breaks, wheels hit things. 12 lb rotas are just as good as 12 lb volks, and when the rotas hits a big rock, the owner won't cry like he lost his first born son.

5zigen has the right idea. They made knockoffs of their own wheel. I'm talking about the FN-01R and FN-01R C. Is having the cast version like having knockoffs? i think so. Is it wrong and horrible? no, because the C's are awesome wheels, they're hella bang of the buck, and look good even if the design is "copied" from a more expensive model.

I agree that knocking off design is lame, but at least the performance value is there for rotas... unlike, say, konigs.

[AKADriver]

Volk does the same thing with the Gram Lights... haha and there's STILL a Rota version. In that case I'd get the genuine cast Gram Lights, mainly because unlike the Rota they come in the sizes I want.

By the way, the 240SX is nothing but a cheap asian knockoff of the Porsche 924 :p

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by revat619
Why buy a second set of SSR's if your saving for some advans or an engine? Even if it is under 500 for a full set, thats still money that could go toward your advans or your engine.
Well, you have your connections and what not so i guess you have those options.

because i go to the track alot. i just went 5 lug and i dont have a extra set of rims yet. I NEED A FULL SET. (actually i need 2 full sets. heheheh...) life is so much easier with that. always got wheels with tires somewhere, just rotate rotate.

engine? BAH. learn on KA, get good, then kick butt on SR. simple as that. i would love to learn on SR but i wont spend the money to swap it when that money can go to my addiction to the track and tire fund. :) im 100% happy with KA. only thing i want is about 30more HP. but i wont spend the money. KA is waste to me. use it and abuse it.

[ruf]

Yah, I really care about what ppl here on Zilvia think of Advan wheels... I haven't sold a single set of Advan wheels to someone on here. I really don't care if I ever do. I'm not trying to push Advan sales, I'm trying to keep your car from being a ghetto ride. Unfortunately that seems to go hand-in-hand around here.

People should go with their own style is what I'm trying to get at. That's exactly what I'm trying to get at too. Knockoff companies don't go with their own style. They just rip off other people. MOST of the time, they end up being heavier, more fragile, and have horrible finish. Look at a set of Work wheels up close and you'll know what I mean. Search for all the pics of Konig wheels in pieces. There's a reason why the knockoff companies list their wheel weights in KG and not LB. It's not to be jDm, but to trick people with a smaller number. Sure, if it's a quality wheel, no prob. But I just don't see why companies as large as Rota and Konig can't come up with a good looking design on their own.

If you buy knockoffs for track wheels, more power to you. If you buy them for looks, that's just plain trash. Quit being cheap. Get a job. Save your money. Buy good stuff.

As for Pana's and Wat's, those are a design born from function. I know very few people that actually LIKE that design from a pure aesthetic POV. Sure it may "fit" the car's looks, but the appearance of the wheel in an absolute sense is far from pretty.

[Stee Flo]

Originally posted by pruto
you know, for "knockoffs" rotas are pretty friggen good. Yes, i have seen SERIOUS autocrossers use rotas. Why? because when you're floggin' your car and driving it to the limit, **** breaks, wheels hit things. 12 lb rotas are just as good as 12 lb volks, and when the rotas hits a big rock, the owner won't cry like he lost his first born son.
There not as good as you think. Ive heard many stories about rotas breaking. I know of someone whose rota wheel split at the track and nearly lost control of the car. Usually light and cheap doesnt equal strong. If all your gonna do is drive your car normally, then you might be fine with a knockoff. But if you plan on doing any type of hard driving, i would go with something better.

[AKADriver]

So what's the difference between a Minilite/Pana/Wat design being born from function, and a Spoon/Regamaster/Rota design being born from function? Few of these "JDM" wheels are really styled much, they're just boxy, blocky 5 and 6 spoke designs.

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by Stee Flo
There not as good as you think. Ive heard many stories about rotas breaking. I know of someone whose rota wheel split at the track and nearly lost control of the car. Usually light and cheap doesnt equal strong. If all your gonna do is drive your car normally, then you might be fine with a knockoff. But if you plan on doing any type of hard driving, i would go with something better.

They had a bad batch of wheels that somehow made it past QC. The specific wheel with the problem was the "Attack" - Gram Lights knockoff. There was some sort of casting flaw that caused the wheels to crack from the inside out.

You get what you pay for.

Most serious racers that use Rota go for the "Slipstream" model (Spoon/Regamaster knockoff), and there haven't been any reports of problems with them, even jumping kerbs and such.

This is a good time to point out that wheels used in serious racing do fatigue - any of you that track your cars often would be wise to regularly check the spokes for cracks, regardless of brand.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by AKADriver
They had a bad batch of wheels that somehow made it past QC. The specific wheel with the problem was the "Attack" - Gram Lights knockoff. There was some sort of casting flaw that caused the wheels to crack from the inside out.

You get what you pay for.

Most serious racers that use Rota go for the "Slipstream" model (Spoon/Regamaster knockoff), and there haven't been any reports of problems with them, even jumping kerbs and such.

This is a good time to point out that wheels used in serious racing do fatigue - any of you that track your cars often would be wise to regularly check the spokes for cracks, regardless of brand.

absolutely.. even Volks, etc crack. Nothing is invulnerable.

I have a set of really nice Rays wheels.. But I plan to run Panasports at the track b/c they are dirt cheap, lightweight, and sturdy as hell. If I go off track, I don't have to worry about busting that supa bling lip on my Nismo wheels.
Besides - If you wanna run different tires at the track (i.e. hoosiers, etc.) then having a 2nd set of wheels to mount them on is almost an absolutely necessary unless you trailer your car to the track. I think panasports are hot on a car simply b/c they make a car look really purpose built and racey.

Rota's are decent wheels, and they do have a nice finish. There is definately a BIG difference b/w a Rota knock-off and a Motegi Racing knock-off.


Bottomline is some wheels are noticably cheap, and ****ty wannabe poser knockoffs that every little highschool punk runs around with b/c he can't afford the good wheels that might actually be better than STOCK. = POSER

Others are knockoffs that are worth the money b/c they do perform well. = Intelligent low budget enthusiest (respect earned for making a wise decision.)

And then Others (Advan, Rays, Volk, etc..) Kickass because you can work them like a mule, and they are built like tanks, and look baaadass b/c of the awesome attention to detail put in them while manufacturing them. = Intelligent, Money is less important than class, enthusiest who MUST have the best. -- or your local elitist car owner, such as Supra TT, ferrari, etc owners.

[pinoydrifter]

I say purchase what you can afford! If you live at home with your mom, have no job, and are paying 500 a month for gas...... your obviously can't afford to pay 2,000 for a set of wheels!!

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by pinoydrifter
I say purchase what you can afford! If you live at home with your mom, have no job, and are paying 500 a month for gas...... your obviously can't afford to pay 2,000 for a set of wheels!!


if i did that i would be able to afford it. damn i wish i lived with my parents sometimes! :(

[pinoydrifter]

Please buy a bike! Peace out cagers- RideOrDie

[DuffMan]

I don't think anyone thinks "Hey I was going to buy this Advan/Volk/Whatever, but instead I'm going to buy this similar looking knock off". The price ranges are different. There isn't any direct competition between the original and the knock off.

People buy knock off's because that's whats in their price range. Nothing wrong with that.

[nickwrx]

you wanna know somethin funny? What you guys are arguing about is probally the dumbest thing i have ever heard of. lets look at the situation here...

when u go to the store and your gfriend, mom or wife asks u to buy ketchup, you buy what... THE CHEAPEST **** THEY BUY. and why, because well they all taste the f-in same. duh.

get off of you jdm wheel gig. you're arguing about japanese wheelsl... think about that. argue about somethin a lil bit more realistic... oh wait, lets think about this again!

did you know in Japan, they actually are dying to get AutoMeter?! Ha, thats right, the funny thing is they are the cheapest over here, why, because their made here! oh wow think about that guys!! haha, no jdm there! hahahhahahah anyway. calm down.

look, if your thing is buying total JDM power everything, float your boat, spend $20,000 more than me. ill be on vacation and living in my own place while your still on the phone with customs. but if its your thing, thats your thing. if youre into buying good quality **** at half the price, go head. buy it. its so funny how we americans argue over getting jdm stuff when they would love to have some of our stuff (kamotors, autometer, etc) so calm down,enjoy life, enjoy bein an amercan and LET IT GO.

p.s. this is my first post, boy am i gonna get jumped on for this one! hahah gotta love it.

Nick

[AKADriver]

Store brand ketchup tastes like azz.

There really is a quality difference in wheels, and there's a huge difference in size selection. It's not about JDM whoring, it's about buying what's good enough for you and what fits your budget. For some, the best isn't good enough...

[nrcooled]

This is completely stupid! Like someone said further up
I don't think anyone thinks "Hey I was going to buy this Advan/Volk/Whatever, but instead I'm going to buy this similar looking knock off". The price ranges are different. There isn't any direct competition between the original and the knock off.

Best statement on the thread. I can't afford JDM Bling Bling because I have "responsibilities" (read: daughter, wife, house, dog) So I waited for the deal that was best for me to be able to afford the rims that I wanted.

I think Ruf is being too much of an elitist. You don't go from trying to buy a $2000 set of rims to $600 set. You shouldn't comment on what anyone should buy until you live a day of their life and walk a mile in their shoes. If you have the money then you will get what you want not what someone else wants you to get. This group think attitude is a shame.

I get so sick of people tearing others down because of their preference. My question is do you all work for Volk, Advan etc.? No, so why the fu_ck does it matter to you so much. Who cares if someone's car looks "ghetto" to you. hell you could look at my car and call it ghetto....but guess what I don't give two sh1ts what you think of my car. I like it and that is all that matters!

The goal (unless a show car) should be to build the car that you want w/ your money to your specs.

You JDM Nazis SUCK

[some guy]

Knock offs arn't that bad. If they are light and decent quality I don't care. If you can pay for $3k wheels than good for you. But I'm sure as hell not going to pay $3k for what I can get for $1k.

I use Kazaa, I support hacks, I use "back up" games. So what? People just use what they can afford, don't knock them for that.

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by some guy
I use Kazaa, I support hacks, I use "back up" games. So what? People just use what they can afford, don't knock them for that.

Worst defense ever!

That IS stealing. Whether you care or not.

[driftk2000]

Originally posted by nrcooled
This is completely stupid! Like someone said further up


Best statement on the thread. I can't afford JDM Bling Bling because I have "responsibilities" (read: daughter, wife, house, dog) So I waited for the deal that was best for me to be able to afford the rims that I wanted.

I think Ruf is being too much of an elitist. You don't go from trying to buy a $2000 set of rims to $600 set. You shouldn't comment on what anyone should buy until you live a day of their life and walk a mile in their shoes. If you have the money then you will get what you want not what someone else wants you to get. This group think attitude is a shame.

I get so sick of people tearing others down because of their preference. My question is do you all work for Volk, Advan etc.? No, so why the fu_ck does it matter to you so much. Who cares if
The goal (unless a show car) should be to build the car that you want w/ your money to your specs.

You JDM Nazis SUCK I agree. Well done.

[ruf]

It's not about jDm yO! It's about a quality product. I would applaud anyone calling up Kinesis and getting a set of custom wheels made. As for "what the Japanese want", its not about that either. There are knuckleheads/bandwagoners in every culture. Elitist or not, I just don't like doing ANYTHING half-***. If you're going to modify your car, do it well and with good products. Otherwise, leave it alone. Like I said before, "Better off stock".

As for Spoon/Regamaster/Rota, the Spoon SW388's ARE Regamaster Evo's. Rota just ripped the style and got lucky that its kinda beefy without relying on fancy manufacturing techniques that they neither have the capability to reproduce nor the inclination to invest in.

ill be on vacation and living in my own place while your still on the phone with customs.It's all about what you are willing to sacrifice. If I didn't have to pay bills and didn't go on trips and saved all my money and worked my *** to the bone, I could afford a new Ferrari. But it's not worth it to me. It doesn't mean that I'm going to rock a "kit car" Ferrari though... :D Thankfully, I'm in a place in my life where I can afford a few luxuries (though I still overspend like a mofo...:() It wasn't that long ago though when I was working an on-campus job, hording cafeteria food and eating $1 menu on the weekends to afford what I wanted whether it was new struts or a night on the town with the gf. It's all about priorities and there are some that take precedence (family, friends, drug habits :p, etc.) I'll just say again that if you can't wait 2 months and save up a few extra hundred, then why bother in the first place? Just my opinion.

[AKADriver]

The technique of forging has been around for hundreds of years, it just costs more per wheel than casting. Rota's casting technique is actually pretty damn good, which is why their stuff is lighter and stronger than a Primax pep boys special. Read up on it, there was an article about Rota in an issue of Grassroots Motorsports sometime last year. I'll find it when I go home tonight.

Half-assing sucks, but for a car that can make use of a +40 offset wheel, using Rotas just plain isn't half-assing it for the needs of 99% of people, and they ARE better than the stock wheels on most older sport compacts (which, if they even have alloys, are 13x6 or 14x6).

The 240SX is a special case because of our special needs in wheel dimensions. Yes, a narrow wheel IS half-assing it for this car...

[HachiMachi]

buy what you can afford, just make sure it looks decent! just dont buy konig! and for the s13 and s14non se guys dont forget to get you 5lug conversions, dunno why but having 5 lugs looks soo sweet! :p

[robinlow88]

I feel that SSRs are pretty good.

I had a set of SSR Competition, and they are relatively light and durable. Paint finish is good too.

Now, I have Black Racing Pro-N1's which look exactly like my old SSRs but much cheaper.

They are pretty lightweight too, and come in 18x8 and 18x9.

I also have a set of 16" Volk's TE37s, with slick tires on them. They are very light and look pretty awesome for 16"s...

I think if the rims are relatively light, like 5Zigen FN01R C, then they are pretty ok.. (except that they are only in 18x7.5).

I've seen some of my friends here with ROTA and they do not complain about them much...