In house conversion [PICS]

[HaLo]

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Hey guys. I did it. I still need to adjust the beams direction.

However, I need some input. I'm not 100% happy with the job. First, I can't close the popups due to projectors sticking too much out of the housing (can't get them more in unless I start chopping the old housings). Second, I see the ajustment screws and it gets on my nerves.

What do you guys think? It's a bit ghetto... I dunno. I guess I need to be told it doesn't look like ****.

[Dousan_PG]

nah it looks good
until u said you cant put itdown! that isnt good
but it does look nice
when u get the beam pattern fixed, please post some nighttime pics against a wall/garage door so we can see.

is this HID?

what projector did you use and where did you get it too? :)

[AKADriver]

Looks alright! Good start.

[HaLo]

dousan:

no it's not HID. The housings are Hella Units. I can't believe how much light them output. I'll adjust the beam patterns tonight and I'll post some more pics.

I really don't like the fact that I can bring my popups down. But hey, they are growing on me. I do think it looks nice.

[Steeles]

looks good man cant wait to see the night shots. if you could get them a little lower, inda that permenant sleepy eye look would be even better :D good work

[HaLo]

i can't get them much lower... Ican't wait for the nightfall to adjust those lights. ;)

[FRpilot]

in house conversion.. looks good.. did you make a write up? ;) looks almost as good as the in house conversion at clearcorners.com but w/o that hefty price..

[Rennen]

YAY!:D

Are they much brighter than stock?
How is the pivot holding up, do your lights bounce?
Is it just a matter of triming some plasitc, looks like you only need a little bit to go.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/oktayy/Untitled-1.GIF
Edit: I need to quit using peoples pics without permission. go here, http://www.clearcorners.com/products/nissan/240sx1/imgs/featcarA05.jpg This is a view or JDM Rice's car with the conversion, its at the same angle as your car above.

It looks good, just need to get them a little more flush in there.
We need lots and lots of pics:D

-Matt

[sykikchimp]

do you have a part number for the housings? I'd love to see some up close pics too.. what bulbs are you using?

I think that looks sweet. good work man! your car is lookin more and more badass every day. :) :thumbsup:

[DuffMan]

Yeah I wanted to do the same thing with those hella H9 housings. They are pretty cheap too, and definitely a quality light. I was thinking about doing it with the eyes being a little more "sleepy" though.

[crioten]

when you get it finished please make a writeup!!! i want those lights but dont want that $1000 pricetag....

[HaLo]

I haven't used the pivot headlight controller. Like I said, my lights stick out about 1inch more than the clearcorners conversion I can not flip down the headlight. I can trim the bumper or the housing.

I simply unplugged the motors and ajusted them from the top.

I just finished this setup so light patterns and comments will come tonight! :)

[KiDyNomiTe]

Nice job, looks like a fun little project. Can't wait to see night pics. get a front shot too.

[Rennen]

CATION: ghetto photoshop drawing ahead.

Are they too long? if you use the pics I have for reference, clearcorners mounts thiers more parallel to the top of the light, if you did this, you could free up more space and be able to move them further back.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/p2eed1d779a86e1fddf26a1bacbaafddf/fc3d5eca.jpg

so if your lights are like the first pic, you can bend the bracket so they sit more parallel like in the second.

-Matt

[hookedup240]

that looks so cool, i am interested. Could you make a write up please. Can't wait to see the night pics.

[s13driver]

guess what... i was about to check if you have any updates on the light.. then i just found this new topic of yours.. looking good man.. like everyone said more pix plz. ;) and a step by step write up as well... let us know your process. :D

edit: how much does that total cost you ?

[lbcklik1486]

Damn good DIY if you ask me, but then again, any job done by yourself is always a job well done:D You work fast man, I remember it like it was yesterday that you were just talking about ordering the parts, or maybe my mind is just mindbogg'd in time:p

-Jay

[HaLo]

Ok everyone!! Some night light up pics:

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Ok now my impressions.

Lights up incredible. Those normal beams are freakin' white and bright, I'm completely shocked.

Now the bad part:

1. My "high beams" light is ALWAYS on!!
2. When I switch to high beams, both my light light up, but they dim out so light output is less than the low beam only!
3. Brackets aren't really solid on the lower part. May have to rethink the design.
4. One popup as a bounce issue, hopefully it will be resolved with reinforcement.


Now back to your comments:

Rennen:
The issue is not the orientation mounting problem. You see, the pop-up housing as a too small opening for the projector AND hi beam to fit. Also, I would have to find a way to mount those custom brackets "behind" the bigger housing part. I will try to think this out.

S13Driver:
I'm presently at about 280$USD which is basically the cost of the projectors. (around 250$+shipping+customs) Mounting brackets and screws are at about 15$CDN.

lbcklik1486:
I had a good idea how to proceed so when I was waiting for the projectors, I had everything drawn in my head.


Over-all, I love them. I have to fix issues about the hi-beam and all... I'll give myself a week to think out the other bracket mounting.

[KiDyNomiTe]

pics dont work

[HaLo]

Error has been corrected!

Edit: These are LOW-beam pictures.

[Rennen]

Wow! those look nice, good cutoff too. I assume both lights come on because of the fact that the sealed beams have only one bulb? I looked at the FSM in an attempt to help, but realized how much I hate wiring diagrams. Good luck sorting everything out. You had H4 conversions before correct? and this is much brighter?

-Matt( runs to car to see how much change has fallen in the seats in a attempt to get $ enough to try himself)

[HaLo]

Ok... I'll try to clear myself a little. ;)

Low beams only my projectors are on and the result is what you see: very high output lighting... I love it.

High beams the secondary lights kick in, very slowly. The primary lights (projectors) dim and the secondary lights are also dim. Output is lesser than the projectors ALONE!!


Now the other problem is that my high-beam light (in dash) is always "on". I suspect bad wiring which I will check tomorrow.

As for light output, I had the H4 conversion... and the H4 conversion suck pretty bad compared to this. This lighting is out of this world. And the nice cut-off helps to reduce the glare to oncoming traffic.

Now, H4 bulbs have 3 wires: 1 high beam, 1 low beam, 1 ground. Wiring shouldn't be that hard, right? Or am I wrong somewhere?

[s13driver]

mind to give me the dimensions of the projector and the high beam and maybe the housing if possible ? i mean i think i can come up with a cad design for you to make brackets whenever i have free time. I'm a ME student btw.

[Rennen]

since they are in his car here are some aprox dimensions:
http://www.susquehanna.com/susq/hella/90mm.htm

[HaLo]

projectors and high beams have 4 mounting screws 90 mm apart. the unit is maybe a square of 95 mm. The housing is too complicated to explain. you have a round hole in center of a rectangle. the inner mounting screws are in the hole (need of bracket) while the outer screws are on the housing.

http://www.susquehanna.com/susq/hella/90mm.htm

check the dimensions there. It's more precise.

[Rennen]

Now, H4 bulbs have 3 wires: 1 high beam, 1 low beam, 1 ground. Wiring shouldn't be that hard, right? Or am I wrong somewhere?

Yeah, thats what it seems to be, here is the headlight wiring diagram from my 89 FSM, not sure why your high beam indicator light is staying on, you got the H9 connector kit right?

[HaLo]

damn... that looks more like a switching ground.

1 Power
1 Ground Low-beam
1 Ground High-beam

Correct me if I'm wrong...


And that would also explain why I have diming headlamps!!!!

My lights are wired wrong.. I fix that tomorrow. :)

[Rennen]

You got me:confused:

Wiring diagrams are my Achilles heel, right behind common sense that is.:p

Im just trying to help out because sometime down the road I will do this too.

-Matt

[HaLo]

Look at the bulb diagram. See how only 1 wire powers BOTH filaments (1 high beam, 1 low beam). Basically, that means that the switch activates the ground, not the power. (Power is always there, but does not circulate because of open circuit). Therefore, if I wired my lights, thinking I had 2 power wires and grounded my lights at the same sport, I branched my headlight back-to-back. So with basic electricity knowledge, my voltage is therefore split between both low and high beams instead of keeping same voltage.

[Rennen]

That makes sense, thanks for explaining it to me. Hope that fixes that part.

-Matt

[02 35thLE SS]

Whats wrong with your headlights? They dont look like they can close or open all the way. I think theres something wrong with your car. It could have been a mistake from the manufacture?:(

:p :D Very bright lights.:)

[HaLo]

Originally posted by 02 35thLE SS
Whats wrong with your headlights? They dont look like they can close or open all the way. I think theres something wrong with your car. It could have been a mistake from the manufacture?:(

:p :D Very bright lights.:)

Getting the post count up, are we? :rolleyes:

[02 35thLE SS]

Hey it helps:rolleyes: Gots to do what i gots to do ya know;)

[avoid]

Very nice I cant wait till I get my 240

[HaLo]

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As you can see, I did the re-work on my first housing. I chopped off alot of the housing, managed to insert 2 L brackets and fitted the projectors inside. Now, that popup can close. I Zip-tied the 2 projectors together in the middle. It's solid, but adjustment is a bit tricky. I should manage to finish the other popup tomorrow and get some decent adjustments. Hopefully, by tomorrow, this will be done. :) I'll just wait for my Pivot headlight controller.

[sykikchimp]

once you get everything set, you could probably get a peice of black plastic to put in behind the lights so you can't see the mounts.. that would clean it up a lot.

Looks GREAT!..

[Rennen]

congrats! It looks 10x better now, did you get the highbeam problem solved?

[Warwick5s]

that looks unbelievably badass, man! :eek:


once you get it dialed in, imagine the bank you could pull selling the brackets and a wiring adapter or something :D

[Fastback180]

Halo...Please please please take the electrical tape going around your car off! I took mine off today, makes a big difference. But they've always looked so horrible on white ones. (no offense).
Anyways...Nice headlights, are they C-West or Eastbears?

[soulDistortion]

Originally posted by Fastback180
Anyways...Nice headlights, are they C-West or Eastbears?

It's a custom jawn using Hella high & low beam headlamps.

http://www.susquehanna.com/susq/hella/90mm.htm

[HaLo]

There's so much customization into this that I could not sell anything... I wouldn't be able to make a penny out of it.

I haven't solved the hi beam situation yet. I have a few more issues to fix, such as using something more solid than zipties to hold the two projector together. I also have to find a way to put a plastic trim to hide the projector mounts and another piece to hide the huge gap between the popup and the bumper. ;)

[andrave]

looks a lot less ghetto when you can pop them down.

[adey]

it looks... ugly. :o you need, first of all, to lower your car at least another 1/2 inch... then you need to push those round headlights further back into the housings... and then, you need to close the popups by about 1/2" or so.

Other than that, though, it looks... OK. :p

[HaLo]

Originally posted by adey
it looks... ugly. :o you need, first of all, to lower your car at least another 1/2 inch... then you need to push those round headlights further back into the housings... and then, you need to close the popups by about 1/2" or so.

Other than that, though, it looks... OK. :p

Lowering the car: Good idea, that way i'll scrape everywhere.
Push the round lights in: no more space so no can do.
Close the popups: Sure thing, that way I won't light anything. :)

[adey]

haha... well, I guess we can't have it all!
I'm slammed, and scrape everywhere...
my headlights are stock sealed beams and won't go down (blown headlight fuse and short somewhere) :) So at least you can say you have it better than me!

[24D]

Looking better with each update. Can't wait to see the final product.

[kandyflip445]

ROFL...I opened this thread and with the title of it I thought you had gone down to Cali and actually had it done...then I looked at the pics....and I was thinking"Hey, they did a nice job"!:D Then I read your post and I was like WTF??? It looks soooooo nice...It looks like a $1800 job to me!:p When you ever all the bugs worked out you NEED to do a write up and FAQ that sh*t. Cause I know I'm gonna do the same thing. Especially with the Pivot Controller...cause I don't like how far the lights stick up.:p Oh, and because my lighting sucks ass...:rolleyes:

[HaLo]

Guys! I'm done!!


I worked all the bugs out.

The hi-beam problem was easy to fix. I had it all wrong. The original harness has 3 wires. The thing is, when you switch from low-beam to high-beams, the power switched from one wire to another. Basically, that means both lights DO NOT light up at same time. I corrected this and now I have no dimming. Low beams light up seperately from high beams.

Concerning the write-up... You need lots patience... :p

Tools needed:
- Metal Jigsaw
- Drill
- Multimeter or volt meter
- Screwdrivers
- Pliers
- Hammer

Hardware:
- 2 Hella low-beam projector units
- 2 Hella Hi-beam 90 mm units
- Zipties
- 2 "L" brackets
- 1 Pivot Headlight controller

That's it.

The installation is pretty straightforward. I'll do some drawings later.

Wiring is a bit more touchy. Be sure only 1 lamp lights up on both low and high beams. :)

Be sure to adjust your beams correctly. I used the adjustment screws so both sides light up the same height and that the light up in the center. I used the popups to align the vertical height.

[240silvia]

Originally posted by 02 35thLE SS
Whats wrong with your headlights? They dont look like they can close or open all the way. I think theres something wrong with your car. It could have been a mistake from the manufacture?:(

:p :D Very bright lights.:)


Man, what the hell are you talking about??? Are you even into 240's or are you just one of those die Hard Muscle car guys??? Nice car, but you are being an A-Hole

[sykikchimp]

do you have a wiring diagram?

[HaLo]

Sorry, I didn't write a wiring diagram. It's pretty easy. Just light up the low-beam and check with a tester where you have power. Plug the low-beams there. After, light up the hi-beams. Check where power is with the tester. Plug hi-beams. Be sure that low-beams DO NOT light up when Hi-beams are lit.

That's it.



Now for some pics!! :D

LOW-BEAMS:
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HIGH-BEAMS:
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FINAL RESULT:
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FINAL RESULT WITH FLASH (;) ):
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[Dousan_PG]

:( YOU NEED HID!!!!
i keep thinking of richards car where you need sunglasses when he drives behind you at night

show us the beam pattern against a wall or something at night!! that i want to see!

[HaLo]

Originally posted by dousan36
:( YOU NEED HID!!!!
i keep thinking of richards car where you need sunglasses when he drives behind you at night

show us the beam pattern against a wall or something at night!! that i want to see!

Sure thing! I'll do tonight.

HID is expensive. Maybe next step. :) They are still way better than stock! :)

[Rennen]

Final result looks damn good!

It was worth the $400 bucks you saved over the east bear or whatever wasn't it?

Tools needed:

- Hammer


haha, damn straight, the ultimate tool of "persuasion"

I don't know how the roads are in Canada, but do you get any bounce on rough roads or from wind buffeting?

dousan: there are a couple pics of the beam pattern in this thread somewhere.

[HaLo]

Roads are horrendous. I do get some bounces but it's not that bad. I haven't driven it enough in night. Pivot is not installed yet. This was done by unplugging the motors and adjusting them manually.

[andrave]

final step looks a lot better.

[kandyflip445]

Dayum. I need to do that to my car. It looks 100x better than with the square lights. Do they make HID's in the Hi and Low like those lights? Or can you replace the bulbs in those with HID??? I'm just wondering cause someone posted saying that you need to get HID's.:p

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by kandyflip445
Dayum. I need to do that to my car. It looks 100x better than with the square lights. Do they make HID's in the Hi and Low like those lights? Or can you replace the bulbs in those with HID??? I'm just wondering cause someone posted saying that you need to get HID's.:p

yes you can get HID in High AND low beams

i got my eye on a set right now......

[boro240]

awesomeness. turned out good, and you saved alot. i agree with the HID though. also, on Richard's car doesnt the low stay on when the highs are turned on? i dont remember.

[misnomer]

Looks very good dood. The headlights have always been my only main complaint with my car, the just stick up too high and look kind of goofy. Yours are (imho) ideal.

Speaking of the suspension, do you still have Tokico springs or did you switch to something else?

[HaLo]

Ok. Night pics are here:

Left = Low beam / Right = High Beam (Note: Whiter in person. Much whiter)
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Car pics: Low and High Beams:
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Same ol' same ol':
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boro240:
Yes, Richard's low beams stay on. I might check that soon.

misnomer:
I switched to AGX + Ground Control. I still have the tokico springs for sale if you want them.

[crioten]

ooohhh man that looks tasty....

[transient]

Whiter??

http://www.digital-traffic.net/storage/whiter.jpg

Btw, for photo's on the web, always use JPG compression :D

[kandyflip445]

So, you gonna do that write-up?*hint* *hint*:p I still can't get over how good the beam pattern is on the lows...

[allstars1380]

i must say this conversion looks great... so to do this conversion you need to find a way to mount the lights and keep them still and the wiring... thats it huh? i love it looks great thinking about doing it... thanks for the inspiration.

[HaLo]

Originally posted by allstars1380
i must say this conversion looks great... so to do this conversion you need to find a way to mount the lights and keep them still and the wiring... thats it huh? i love it looks great thinking about doing it... thanks for the inspiration.


That's it.. It's very easy to say. However, doing it is a bit hard. Lot's of cutting involved.

Anyways, for any of you who will actually do it and need a hand, please contact me by email. I want to stay original a little that is why I won't reveal the secret to all. ;)

Sorry. It's also bad business for the Clearcorner guys! :)

[HaLo]

Final 3 pics... that's it after this.

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[Wiisass]

Is the driver side headllight not on in the second pic? Or is it just the way the camera took the picture? I hope it's the camera and not the headlight.

BTW, it really looks great. It's something I really want to do sometime soon. Maybe I'll try and fab an east bear type set up instead. We'll see.

Tim

[HaLo]

The flash did that. :)

[CA20Guy]

Halo, have a q regarding how your gonna keep the fixture at that angle when the lamps are lit with the pivot controller, b/c the pivot controller originally will not work with the lamps on. I have the pivot controller and it only works off of the return delay relay for your headlight fixtures. In other words you set the controller to what angle you want it at and then turn your headlights off, and then it recieves the return signal and then interupts it when it gets to that angle, thus stopping it at that angle. You wire it into the wiring going into your return delay relay. I have not tried to figure out how to trick it to use it while the headlamps are on yet , just wired it up and have been using it. I want to warn you though, I haven't had the best results from mine. I have to tweek mine to get them to close to desired angle evenly. This is a problem that I haven't corrected properly yet. Just thought I would let you know how my experience has been with the pivot controller. Have you heard of my problem b4, and if so, do you know how to remedy it? Tried manually actuating it to the proper position, but that didn't work.
Anyways would like to see how you are gonna get them to stay at that angle while energized with the pivot controller.

[ThatGuy]

This thread is well over 2 years old. Please check the date of the post next time.

[KoukiMonster]

ca20guy, ever heard of private message?


its a wonderful forum tool.

[wangan_cruiser]

where'd u get those lights?

[KwKouki]

lmao,it got bumped again :rofl:

[Phlip]

where'd u get those lights?
Again, proof that the newbs are searching, but still aren't learning a damned thing.
... this is the SECOND time this thread has been dredged back into existence, there will not be a third.