So Should I Put Flares On The Rear ?

[BoostSlideWayz]

Hey guys.. My projects been taking along time since moneys tight.. so for now I'm considering getting some cheap fender flares for the rear ?? I'm not sure if i should. The S15 conversion on the car is a lot wider than stock.. but the front wheels seem to be pretty flush with the kit.. and it looks a little odd when you look at the car from behind..

http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss342/CustomGundam/DSCN4124.jpg

I'm not sure if it matters from the front end pic but i decided to through that in there.
http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss342/CustomGundam/DSCN4130.jpg

Lemme know what you guy's think i should do.. leave it? or go ahead with flares ?

Thanks for looking

[nismo 240sx]

i would just wait and save a little more to what u really want...be smart and do it right the first time =)

[BoostSlideWayz]

i would just wait and save a little more to what u really want...be smart and do it right the first time =)

lol unfortunatly i didnt do it right when i did the front end. but it doesnt have to look perfect. ill end up crashing it anyways. i cant expect it to be a body perfect car since its gonna be a drift car ya know ?

:EDIT: OHH guys, ive saved up about 1500 bucks.. its almost enough to go to Language class in Japan.... but im not sure if i should go to Japan.. or spend it on the internals for the KA.

[bejota180sx]

take a little pride in it, even if it IS a car for beating it to hell... do it right the first time for yourself and to show your work at least to yourself... if it was cause of that we should just leave our bucket of rust stock and go drifting... i dont really take that as an excuse anymore... but its up to you, what you want your work and car to look like...

[93nismo]

i wouldent put flares, overfenders maybe. but no flares. they look tacky to me:\ but if the s15 face is wider then over fenders would go with it. i think it would look nice:)

[S14_Kouki]

Do u have better rims for these flares??

[BoostSlideWayz]

take a little pride in it, even if it IS a car for beating it to hell... do it right the first time for yourself and to show your work at least to yourself... if it was cause of that we should just leave our bucket of rust stock and go drifting... i dont really take that as an excuse anymore... but its up to you, what you want your work and car to look like...

Yeah. I mean... i did think it would look alot better when i first got the kit.. but i didnt wanna spend like ALOT on the front end since its not gonna be nice for ever.. Its one of those Race on USA kits.. really cheap. But technically this is my first project car. so i still have alotta skill to gain before it actually is professionally done. But running wise im soaking alotta money and have a shop do alott of the stuff that im not good at.



Do u have better rims for these flares??

Nope, but i plan to get some later.

[nismo 240sx]

lol unfortunatly i didnt do it right when i did the front end. but it doesnt have to look perfect. ill end up crashing it anyways. i cant expect it to be a body perfect car since its gonna be a drift car ya know ?

:EDIT: OHH guys, ive saved up about 1500 bucks.. its almost enough to go to Language class in Japan.... but im not sure if i should go to Japan.. or spend it on the internals for the KA.

instead of internals just go with sr or rb if its going to be a track slut!!

[BoostSlideWayz]

instead of internals just go with sr or rb if its going to be a track slut!!


BUT!!!!:ughd: Ive already spent quite abit on the engine already.... I have the pistons,rods,and bearings sitting in my closet.. and the turbo kit is sitting waiting to be used more.. it only has like 10 miles put on it lol

[bejota180sx]

Yeah. I mean... i did think it would look alot better when i first got the kit.. but i didnt wanna spend like ALOT on the front end since its not gonna be nice for ever.. Its one of those Race on USA kits.. really cheap. But technically this is my first project car. so i still have alotta skill to gain before it actually is professionally done. But running wise im soaking alotta money and have a shop do alott of the stuff that im not good at.
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i know about losing so much money but well after spending so much... then why not save a bit more to finish it correctly the first time instead of spending more in the long run... im not telling u to go buy originals or koguchi or anything... that is up to you... if you want fender flares get flares, if you want wide fenders get wide fenders or if u want a insane pull then well do it... all that is up to you... but what i want you to think is... dont get one of them just to get it out of the way even if u dont really like it, get it done the way u want it the first time if you can...

[bejota180sx]

oh i just saw the language class... cars are a big part in out lives (i mean if u ARE into modifying cars we all know how we sometimes do stupid things like wasting $$$ on the car instead of a priority...) but i really think sometimes others things in life should go before... like think of the experience and things you will learn with this... with the KA internals you'll get what... a fun time? yes but i can assure you that a life learning experience is way better...

[BoostSlideWayz]

i know about losing so much money but well after spending so much... then why not save a bit more to finish it correctly the first time instead of spending more in the long run... im not telling u to go buy originals or koguchi or anything... that is up to you... if you want fender flares get flares, if you want wide fenders get wide fenders or if u want a insane pull then well do it... all that is up to you... but what i want you to think is... dont get one of them just to get it out of the way even if u dont really like it, get it done the way u want it the first time if you can...

Thats understandable. im just wishing i can a job right now lol. cuz when i did have a job the parts were comin in.. now the cars at a standstill and im just anxious to atleast do the smallest thing i can look for to work on.

:EDIT: yeah im really nervious to go lol im still looking for classes. so far ive considered Osaka ? and ill be staying for like 2 months if i do end up going. ive never been out of the country before so this is deffinatly something i think about all the time hoping i dont get lost or what ever.

[singlecamslam]

Take the s15 front end off.

[BoostSlideWayz]

Take the s15 front end off.

Well ill consider taking it off when i have some more money. But for the future.. what do you think would look better? i personally dont like the flip up lights on the coupe.. the S13.5 looks sexy..

[ILoveMyRHS13]

Your car is bleeding.

[BoostSlideWayz]

Your car is bleeding.

lol i think it was from the wet sanding today.. i ordered primer!! and now im almost ready for my first paint job :D

[S14_Kouki]

Well u should get awesome rims with that $1500 then put the flares on :)

[BoostSlideWayz]

Well u should get awesome rims with that $1500 then put the flares on :)

so many disicions.. but you do know that the car right now has no motor in it ?? lol i wanna atleast be able to start the car by the end of the year.

[S14_Kouki]

well then it will look badass sitting there lmao sorry well finish the engine

[93nismo]

why dont you put the silvia bricks on it and sell the s15 face. or do a s14 kouki face. thats sexy...

[BoostSlideWayz]

well then it will look badass sitting there lmao sorry well finish the engine
lol yeah thats my goal for now
why dont you put the silvia bricks on it and sell the s15 face. or do a s14 kouki face. thats sexy...
i like the bricks later on ill do that conversion legit

[jdmstar69]

Stop wasting your money on cosmetics and get it running!!!!!!!!

[BoostSlideWayz]

Stop wasting your money on cosmetics and get it running!!!!!!!!

Yeah i needa make some more money.. thats why im debating about going to Japan and making the car sit for another 2 or 3 months... or get it closer to running with this money i have now

[drift freaq]

Yeah. I mean... i did think it would look alot better when i first got the kit.. but i didnt wanna spend like ALOT on the front end since its not gonna be nice for ever.. Its one of those Race on USA kits.. really cheap..

This is the problem, You used a Garbage kit. If you wanted to do it right? first thing you should have done is get quality fenders. I.E. not Race on but name brand. Plus it looks like you bought widebody fenders. Hence the bulge outward in the front. at this point to match you would have to run widebody rear. I would not normally do this but here is a couple pics of my car. I did factory steel fenders. With a roll and pull in the rear to match the flare out of the S15 fender.

Oh and $1500 will not get you far in Japan. LOL
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/driftfreaq/IMG_0515.jpghttp://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/driftfreaq/IMG_0517.jpg

[BoostSlideWayz]

This is the problem, You used a Garbage kit. If you wanted to do it right? first thing you should have done is get quality fenders. I.E. not Race on but name brand. Plus it looks like you bought widebody fenders. Hence the bulge outward in the front. at this point to match you would have to run widebody rear. I would not normally do this but here is a couple pics of my car. I did factory steel fenders. With a roll and pull in the rear to match the flare out of the S15 fender.

Oh and $1500 will not get you far in Japan. LOL
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/driftfreaq/IMG_0515.jpghttp://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww52/driftfreaq/IMG_0517.jpg


no lol the 1500 is mainly for the class.. i have more money for food, books, and other must buy things if i go.. basicly im set to go if i actually do go.. and yeah about the kit.. when i first got it.. i thought it would be legit.. but found out it wasnt good later on during install.. and race on USA had really crappy customer service. they wouldnt even give me a refund on the kit. so im stuck with it for now.. like ive said before.. no point in spending thoughsands of $$$ on a conversion when its most likely gonna be trashed the next time you drive it.

[drift freaq]

no lol the 1500 is mainly for the class.. i have more money for food, books, and other must buy things if i go.. basicly im set to go if i actually do go.. and yeah about the kit.. when i first got it.. i thought it would be legit.. but found out it wasnt good later on during install.. and race on USA had really crappy customer service. they wouldnt even give me a refund on the kit. so im stuck with it for now.. like ive said before.. no point in spending thoughsands of $$$ on a conversion when its most likely gonna be trashed the next time you drive it.

Ah excuse me. If you are not a poor driver the conversion will not get trashed. LOL

Its people with thoughts like yours that turn out all the garbage 240's we are seeing nowadays.
If you think your going to trash your car thats one thing. To think its no good to do right, because you are afraid of trashing it? Well then you need to learn to be a better driver.

Its a laugh I showed pics of how its done right and you cannot even appreciate the effort.

Oh and I did steel fenders and factory urethane bumper with a urethane gracer lip for durability. If you want a conversion to last its the way to do it in my opinion. Just like running a factory S13 Silvia front.

Oh and while I am at it? I might as well tell you the s15 conversion is fail on the coupe. It looks good on fastbacks but not on coupes. IMO.

You have a lot to learn in life young man.

[BoostSlideWayz]

Ah excuse me. If you are not a poor driver the conversion will not get trashed. LOL

Its people with thoughts like yours that turn out all the garbage 240's we are seeing nowadays.
If you think your going to trash your car thats one thing. To think its no good to do right, because you are afraid of trashing it? Well then you need to learn to be a better driver.

Its a laugh I showed pics of how its done right and you cannot even appreciate the effort.

Oh and I did steel fenders and factory urethane bumper with a urethane gracer lip for durability. If you want a conversion to last its the way to do it in my opinion. Just like running a factory S13 Silvia front.

Oh and while I am at it? I might as well tell you the s15 conversion is fail on the coupe. It looks good on fastbacks but not on coupes. IMO.

You have a lot to learn in life young man.

Lol well thank you for the advice... althought im not sure why you mad it sound so mean.. and i just had forgotten to compliment you is all.. and your car does look very well nicely done.

and what im saying is.. EVERY one crashes when they first start drifting.... i my self have only drifted once... so yeah i do have alot to learn. but you make it seem like i should be ashamed of my self because of it. i personally love the way the car looks, i love the progress its making even tho its going slowly. and i especially take pride in my work even tho its not TOP END like the other ppl that can afford it.. the reason i down talk it is because so many people on here have nice good built cars.. and i assume that if im bragging about how good it looks ill get a hater saying it looks like crap etc.

[drift freaq]

Lol well thank you for the advice... althought im not sure why you mad it sound so mean.. and i just had forgotten to compliment you is all.. and your car does look very well nicely done.

and what im saying is.. EVERY one crashes when they first start drifting.... i my self have only drifted once... so yeah i do have alot to learn. but you make it seem like i should be ashamed of my self because of it. i personally love the way the car looks, i love the progress its making even tho its going slowly. and i especially take pride in my work even tho its not TOP END like the other ppl that can afford it.. the reason i down talk it is because so many people on here have nice good built cars.. and i assume that if im bragging about how good it looks ill get a hater saying it looks like crap etc.


I am not mad. LOL It just got me up with your attitude and having seen a lot of the same lately it sparked a comment.

See there was a time when most 240 owners even if they could not do it like it should be tried at least to make it decent. Nowadays it seems like all you guys want to slap cheap parts on that fit like shit and primer the cars and drive them that way. Excuse me if I put you in that camp based on your previous decisions.

I respect your comment above more than your previous comments. If you take pride you should take pride in doing it right or keeping it closer to stock so it does not look shitty.

I will be honest, a lot of people fuck up the Strawberry face conversion. In fact that's is a lot of the reason there are so many haters of it.

Done right it can be dope and look completely right. I was inspired by the old Green Signal Auto Cars back in 99-2000 . I remember seeing one in person and it was perfect.

To really do the conversion right? It does take money. It used to be a 2500 conversion its now around $1500. To do steel fenders? LOL do not even think about it.

In the end if you are just learning how to drift you should keep your car relatively stock body wise. Just get suspension, wheels and a some kind of diff and go out and practice.

[BoostSlideWayz]

I am not mad. LOL It just got me up with your attitude and having seen a lot of the same lately it sparked a comment.

See there was a time when most 240 owners even if they could not do it like it should be tried at least to make it decent. Nowadays it seems like all you guys want to slap cheap parts on that fit like shit and primer the cars and drive them that way. Excuse me if I put you in that camp based on your previous decisions.

I respect your comment above more than your previous comments. If you take pride you should take pride in doing it right or keeping it closer to stock so it does not look shitty.

I will be honest, a lot of people fuck up the Strawberry face conversion. In fact that's is a lot of the reason there are so many haters of it.

Done right it can be dope and look completely right. I was inspired by the old Green Signal Auto Cars back in 99-2000 . I remember seeing one in person and it was perfect.

To really do the conversion right? It does take money. It used to be a 2500 conversion its now around $1500. To do steel fenders? LOL do not even think about it.

In the end if you are just learning how to drift you should keep your car relatively stock body wise. Just get suspension, wheels and a some kind of diff and go out and practice.

Thank you, well.. the cars body is gonna stay the same way for now.. ive been spending my serious money on the block. im trying to peice it together and after i get it in.. ill be proud of the car even more.. I just wanna feel my self turning that key and it starting right up.. but we all have dreams.. IF i dont go to Japan.. the 1500 will go for my Heads internals.. and an clutch.

[second_chanceS14]

coupe + s15 front end= FAIL, coupe + Kouki front or silvia front = a winner


heres some links to help u out

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://zilvia.net/f/vbpgimage.php%3Fdo%3Dthumb%26p%3D1992%26d%3D120363 4692&imgrefurl=http://zilvia.net/f/gallery-184.html&usg=__-bGPpTivaj2uVccgrz2VSWzC3ic=&h=93&w=120&sz=4&hl=en&start=12&um=1&tbnid=4iZ31mzI2gYiPM:&tbnh=68&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ds13.4%2Bkouki%2Btwo%2Btone%26hl%3Den% 26rlz%3D1T4ADBF_enUS322US322%26um%3D1 (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://zilvia.net/f/vbpgimage.php%3Fdo%3Dthumb%26p%3D1992%26d%3D120363 4692&imgrefurl=http://zilvia.net/f/gallery-184.html&usg=__-bGPpTivaj2uVccgrz2VSWzC3ic=&h=93&w=120&sz=4&hl=en&start=12&um=1&tbnid=4iZ31mzI2gYiPM:&tbnh=68&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ds13.4%2Bkouki%2Btwo%2Btone%26hl%3Den% 26rlz%3D1T4ADBF_enUS322US322%26um%3D1)



http://www.vertex-usa.com/images/Nissan/S13/ff1.jpg

[David B S12]

u post a fuzzy pic and then you tell us to make conclusions on it.. and your wheels arent even mad mexi poking anyways... roll your shit, buy wider wheels, then debate about this
and moar lowar

[zenki.life]

do what you like. everyone has their own taste. who are we to tell you what looks good or not.,,,,,,,haha yea right lmao

[David B S12]

do what you like. everyone has their own taste. who are we to tell you what looks good or not.,,,,,,,haha yea right lmao

lol... the op obviously doesnt care about what he likes, thats why he posted this thread
sell the s15 conversion to some kid, and buy some over fenders if you have too, and a silvia front

[BoostSlideWayz]

lol... the op obviously doesnt care about what he likes, thats why he posted this thread
sell the s15 conversion to some kid, and buy some over fenders if you have too, and a silvia front

The reason i was asking is because im not sure how well it would look with it.. if somone had a pic or somthing with what im talking about.. ill consider it.. im just not sure if ill be wasting my money on flares. or actually making it looks better.. But im not here for arguments. so all ill say is thank you for your post .

[quote=second_chanceS14;2978857]coupe + s15 front end= FAIL, coupe + Kouki front or silvia front = a winner

Id beg to differ.. i think the ones that ppl spend alotta time on the body work look real nice. I personally dont think the hatch looks right with S15 because the S15 front in IMO is supposed to carry out kinda long lines not the way the hatchy does..

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2842/sponsor125eq.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/sponsor125eq.jpg/)

[S14_Kouki]

^^ that car is pure gayness ^^ i love kouki front on a coupe pure sex

[drift freaq]

The reason i was asking is because im not sure how well it would look with it.. if somone had a pic or somthing with what im talking about.. ill consider it.. im just not sure if ill be wasting my money on flares. or actually making it looks better.. But im not here for arguments. so all ill say is thank you for your post .

[quote=second_chanceS14;2978857]coupe + s15 front end= FAIL, coupe + Kouki front or silvia front = a winner

Id beg to differ.. i think the ones that ppl spend alotta time on the body work look real nice. I personally dont think the hatch looks right with S15 because the S15 front in IMO is supposed to carry out kinda long lines not the way the hatchy does..

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2842/sponsor125eq.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/sponsor125eq.jpg/)

Ah excuse me. Look at a S15 and then look at the Fastback(thats what Nissan calls them).

The lines of the s15 and fastback correspond as in both being rounded and sloped.

If you look at a silhouette of the fastback front vs a s15 front though? The s15 front is shorter though the lines are very similar.
In fact the S15 front conforms more with fastback than it does with the coupe because the coupe is more squared off.
The interesting thing is the S15 front looks to long on a Coupe as well( shooting down your claim of it looking to long on the fastback LOL), shown by the pic you post above.

The coupe was originally designed with the Silvia front end i.e. squared off. Not rounded or sloping like a S15 front end. Nor the 180sx front it got stuck with here in the U.S. due to it already being DOT approved.

This is the exact reason why most S13 Silvia fronts look wrong on the Fastback.

In all the only Sil Eighties that look right in my opinion are the Strawberry Faces aka s15.

You really want your car to look good? Either get a regular Silvia front or put on a S14 Kouki as Yuri proved its bad ass looking.

Like I said before though, since you are still learning to drive you should just keep it relatively stock.

In other words take off the s15 front and sell it and get a Silvia front or a stock USDM front. Plus the Silvia fronts can be had for around $500-700.
Which even with that low priced Raceon kit get is most likely a lot less money than you have already spent. S15 headlights go for $400-500 alone.

[RastaS13]

Freakin go to Japan. and then just save up the money to get an SR.

[BoostSlideWayz]

[quote=BoostSlideWayz;2979390]The reason i was asking is because im not sure how well it would look with it.. if somone had a pic or somthing with what im talking about.. ill consider it.. im just not sure if ill be wasting my money on flares. or actually making it looks better.. But im not here for arguments. so all ill say is thank you for your post .



Ah excuse me. Look at a S15 and then look at the Fastback(thats what Nissan calls them).

The lines of the s15 and fastback correspond as in both being rounded and sloped.

If you look at a silhouette of the fastback front vs a s15 front though? The s15 front is shorter though the lines are very similar.
In fact the S15 front conforms more with fastback than it does with the coupe because the coupe is more squared off.
The interesting thing is the S15 front looks to long on a Coupe as well( shooting down your claim of it looking to long on the fastback LOL), shown by the pic you post above.

The coupe was originally designed with the Silvia front end i.e. squared off. Not rounded or sloping like a S15 front end. Nor the 180sx front it got stuck with here in the U.S. due to it already being DOT approved.

This is the exact reason why most S13 Silvia fronts look wrong on the Fastback.

In all the only Sil Eighties that look right in my opinion are the Strawberry Faces aka s15.

You really want your car to look good? Either get a regular Silvia front or put on a S14 Kouki as Yuri proved its bad ass looking.

Like I said before though, since you are still learning to drive you should just keep it relatively stock.

In other words take off the s15 front and sell it and get a Silvia front or a stock USDM front. Plus the Silvia fronts can be had for around $500-700.
Which even with that low priced Raceon kit get is most likely a lot less money than you have already spent. S15 headlights go for $400-500 alone.


Well, i believe its personal preferance really.. I personally like the S15 front end batter on the coupe than the "fast back" thats how I feel doesnt mean im trying to say that im right. and idk why you say "im still learning to drive" ive been driving for 2 years now with no tickets and clean record. i just have to learn how to drift. and i already have the S15 lights.. i baught the cheap black ones aswell.. in the pic with the lights out was cuz i was sanding the bumper.and yes the lights were around 400 bucks. im personally happy with the front end with its inperfections and miss aligntments lol

[second_chanceS14]

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerofile/35093/19494notlowenough-med.jpg


VS

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/ka24turbo/240coupeS15.jpg

sorry dude but kouki front flows alot cleaner with a coupe than the s15 front.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8425/106b573b3cb.jpg

Also i know ppl dont like the zenki front idk y, but heres a coupe with a zenki front i think it looks coo
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c267/jvdskyline/Kent3.jpg

The reason y we are all telling you this, is so u know the difference from right and gay. ppl be doing some gay ricer shit to their cars now a days >.<

http://blog.gtroc.com/dino/s141.jpg


http://blog.gtroc.com/dino/s144.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/ka24turbo/oneline.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/ka24turbo/sky80.jpg


These ^ are some gay ass looking cars... see the difference? i honestly think u should sell ur s15 front and get a silvia front and with the extra money left you should invest it on your block or suspension.

[drift freaq]

Well, i believe its personal preferance really.. I personally like the S15 front end batter on the coupe than the "fast back" thats how I feel doesnt mean im trying to say that im right. and idk why you say "im still learning to drive" ive been driving for 2 years now with no tickets and clean record. i just have to learn how to drift. and i already have the S15 lights.. i baught the cheap black ones aswell.. in the pic with the lights out was cuz i was sanding the bumper.and yes the lights were around 400 bucks. im personally happy with the front end with its inperfections and miss aligntments lol

If you have to learn how to drift, then you are in your own terms still learning to drive, as like you said you could crash.
Now do not get me wrong, anyone who pushes it hard drifting can crash but with knowing how? Comes a certain threshold level that you yourself have admittedly not even touched.

The technical term for drifting is car control. Its learning how to control a car when its going sideways and not lose it. Just because you have driven for two years without a ticket or clean record? Does not mean you know how to drive.

In Germany they put people on a skidpad and teach them car control before they let them get their drivers license. That is learning how to drive. Not for the sake of drifting but for the sake of really knowing how to handle the car.

Just because drivers ed tells you how to do this, without really showing you in hands on training? Does not mean you are capable of it or can handle it.

When you got your drivers license you barely knew how to drive. American drivers license tests are farce. They just test you on what you have been instructed which is rudimentary piloting of an automobile and far from real driving.

There are tons of mediocre drivers out there. That really do not know how to drive, yet have clean records with no tickets or accidents. Just having a clean record does not always determine a person really knowing how to drive.

Look its like this, you are young and admittedly by your own words inexperienced in several area's. You ask for advice but when given you argue it.
I suggest you relax and accept it and grow.
We were all there once.

Oh and this really about trying to help you regardless of how you might take it defense wise. After all you did ask and make statements that led to all of this.

[BoostSlideWayz]

If you have to learn how to drift, then you are in your own terms still learning to drive, as like you said you could crash.
Now do not get me wrong, anyone who pushes it hard drifting can crash but with knowing how? Comes a certain threshold level that you yourself have admittedly not even touched.

The technical term for drifting is car control. Its learning how to control a car when its going sideways and not lose it. Just because you have driven for two years without a ticket or clean record? Does not mean you know how to drive.

In Germany they put people on a skidpad and teach them car control before they let them get their drivers license. That is learning how to drive. Not for the sake of drifting but for the sake of really knowing how to handle the car.

Just because drivers ed tells you how to do this, without really showing you in hands on training? Does not mean you are capable of it or can handle it.

When you got your drivers license you barely knew how to drive. American drivers license tests are farce. They just test you on what you have been instructed which is rudimentary piloting of an automobile and far from real driving.

There are tons of mediocre drivers out there. That really do not know how to drive, yet have clean records with no tickets or accidents. Just having a clean record does not always determine a person really knowing how to drive.

Look its like this, you are young and admittedly by your own words inexperienced in several area's. You ask for advice but when given you argue it.
I suggest you relax and accept it and grow.
We were all there once.


I accept every ones opinions.. I just usually put up an argument when they leave a rude comment just to make it seem like im an ignorant kid or somthing.. Im just asking for some helpful answers instead of insults. The reason i said ill end up crashing is because i understand that a track car.. never stays perfect bodie wise.. im simply just looking ahead. I respect your answers because its use full info.. some other people though love to talk crap and it kinda gets to me.

[ThatGuy]

This is why drifting has become so stupid.

It has given a large cross-section of supposed "enthusiasts" a weak excuse to do things half-assed. It's pathetically sad.

[drift freaq]

I accept every ones opinions.. I just usually put up an argument when they leave a rude comment just to make it seem like im an ignorant kid or somthing.. Im just asking for some helpful answers instead of insults. The reason i said ill end up crashing is because i understand that a track car.. never stays perfect bodie wise.. im simply just looking ahead. I respect your answers because its use full info.. some other people though love to talk crap and it kinda gets to me.

I do not think I have insulted you. I have broken it down in cold hard truth. I have tendency to do that. That may come off offensive or rude to some. I would rather give them the truth though than sugar coat it and make them feel all rosy.

I have given you helpful answers by telling you the truth. I am many years older than you. So I do have a point of seeing that is different from yours. That again is not an insult its just the truth.
Something a lot of people around here have a hard time handling.

[BoostSlideWayz]

This is why drifting has become so stupid.

It has given a large cross-section of supposed "enthusiasts" a weak excuse to do things half-assed. It's pathetically sad.

well althoought i have to agree... i just wish i had enough money to buy top end stuff like u guys do