Kaizo Car: US Department of Justice Letter : 60 Days to Export or Surrender :

[handinpants]

Vehicle Import: US Department of Justice Letter : 60 Days to Export or Surrender. (http://vehicleimport.blogspot.com/2009/08/us-department-of-justice-letter-60-days.html)

Letter one Kaizo customer received.

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this was information was recieved from an Email sent to me by Sean Morris

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[xpertsnowcarver]

whaaaat!!!??? Damn, that blows.... but, yes.. too vague. This letter doesn't warn the recipient of definite/immediate action.

[fliprayzin240sx]

How many folks do you think is actually gonna give in to this?

[xpertsnowcarver]

none.. shoot, i wouldn't...

[nismolism]

that guy needs to cash it in as a clunker...lol

[hOngsterr]

lol,
guy lives locally.

[singlecamslam]

Its California, what the fork do you expect?

[drift_limo]

wow that really sucks is that only for california residents with a kaizo cars or does that include the whole U.S?

[handinpants]

i would register it as a race car for off highway use. i'm gonna call that immigrations and customs enforcement special agent doosh named jeffrey eastman 949-250-1950 xt 230 and bother him with a bucket full of questions. see what he's doing to keep illigal immigrants from running in from mexico, and why this car seems like a problem.... i honestly don't see a problem with these super cars, the gembala or the ruf turbo cars coming in from germany, making gobs of power and some how being epa complient

[drift freaq]

wow that really sucks is that only for california residents with a kaizo cars or does that include the whole U.S?

Its Federal, that letter is from the U.S. Attorney's office. Not a State of California . Now is it completely legal? That's hard to say. The U.S. Attorney that wrote it is definitely hesitant in the wording which creates a valid legal challenge in court.

[wgJoY]

i'm gonna call that fbi doosh and bother him with a bucket full of questions.

hmm

not a bad idea :naughty:

[bardabe]

Its Federal, that letter is from the U.S. Attorney's office. Not a State of California . Now is it completely legal? That's hard to say. The U.S. Attorney that wrote it is definitely hesitant in the wording which creates a valid legal challenge in court.

not only that but if the car was imported in parts there is absolutely nothing wrong with it it ha sbeen discussed many times over on the freshalloy forums

[TPS240sxS13]

Wow thats horrible, I wonder if changing it to a "race" car would stop the Feds or are they just trying to find ways to impound these cars. My other question is if they impound all the Skylines and whatnot. What will they do with them? Its not like they can resell them seeing that they are "not road legal" and I dont think US customs can just ship them back to Japan, theres no one there to take them. So what are their plans?

[blackrms13]

i thought they had been doing this for a long time
all non R33s needs to be OUT

[SlideWell]

DHS can suck my nuts

[zenki.life]

so sad. governments suck. what can ya say

[wgJoY]

Wow thats horrible, I wonder if changing it to a "race" car would stop the Feds or are they just trying to find ways to impound these cars. My other question is if they impound all the Skylines and whatnot. What will they do with them? Its not like they can resell them seeing that they are "not road legal" and I dont think US customs can just ship them back to Japan, theres no one there to take them. So what are their plans?


I'd imagine they would do the same thing that the Car Manufacture's Cash for Clunkers deal would, seizing the motor and not allowing the resale of any of the car's parts, maybe in an attempt to stimulate the consumer purchase of newer cars/parts.

Or turn the car into a cube.

[turbo_dreams]

I never asked this since it's so annoying to hear about imported cars, but why don't people find a p.o.s s13 or s14 and swap all the vins onto their skylines? i mean how can a cop possibly prove that a skyline isn't a 240 w/ extensive fabbing to appear as a skyline?

[murda-c]

I never asked this since it's so annoying to hear about imported cars, but why don't people find a p.o.s s13 or s14 and swap all the vins onto their skylines? i mean how can a cop possibly prove that a skyline isn't a 240 w/ extensive fabbing to appear as a skyline?

that extensive fabbing and skyline motor would render the vehicle unfit for highway use anyway, so you'd still end up taking it off the street.

i thought they had been doing this for a long time
all non R33s needs to be OUT

it was an r33.

[180love]

shitttt i would get a storage garage under a friends name or something to store it untill they give up or move onto bothering someone else...

[turbo_dreams]

that extensive fabbing and skyline motor would render the vehicle unfit for highway use anyway, so you'd still end up taking it off the street.



it was an r33.


It's extensive fabbing, but there's nothing wrong with that. And i know more friends w/ rb's and sr's then ka's and they've had no problem when a cop popped their hoods. I can see this being a problem in cali, but not at all in ny.

[thefro526]

Sorry if this has be asked already but, How did the Government find out about the car?

Did the owner try to register it, therefore alerting the Government to it's existence?

I'm asking because a friend of mine and I were discussing the possibility of getting an R32 from Canada and using it as a race only chassis and never attempting to register it or drive it on the streets, assuming that the car was never entered into the system, the Government shouldn't know about it's existence. I know California is going to be different from NJ but I'm under the impression that this is a Federal Order to get rid of the car.

[98s14inaz]

I never asked this since it's so annoying to hear about imported cars, but why don't people find a p.o.s s13 or s14 and swap all the vins onto their skylines? i mean how can a cop possibly prove that a skyline isn't a 240 w/ extensive fabbing to appear as a skyline?

Fraud is worse than having an "illegal" car in the US. You'd go to federal pound you in the ass prison and have some fines.

[Ceepo]

First fail was registering it as a skyline, need to register it as a kit car or something so the they cant goverment cant track it, idk, utah is totally diffrent the other states, we can get state issued vin numbers so the fed. gov. cant track a state issued vin, i had a freind register 5 skylines he imported as a Nissan 2door coupe on the title lol... i dont think any of his customers have had any problems with them either...

[turbo_dreams]

Fraud is worse than having an "illegal" car in the US. You'd go to federal pound you in the ass prison and have some fines.

cool, i totally didn't know swapping vins was a crime, like really. Can anyone awnser my question?

[murda-c]

Sorry if this has be asked already but, How did the Government find out about the car?

Did the owner try to register it, therefore alerting the Government to it's existence?

I'm asking because a friend of mine and I were discussing the possibility of getting an R32 from Canada and using it as a race only chassis and never attempting to register it or drive it on the streets, assuming that the car was never entered into the system, the Government shouldn't know about it's existence. I know California is going to be different from NJ but I'm under the impression that this is a Federal Order to get rid of the car.

You still need to claim it through customs as a race car i think.

[OBEEWON]

Looks like a hater reported them. "It has been brought to my knowledge..."

[WoolyS14DET]

The "person" who got said letter live in the state of California ??

[GREXS14]

I always thought you could bring it in as parts and then register it as a kit car.

maybe this guy could help!
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/lngnstrt/PTaMon.jpg

[kandyflip445]

Very truly yours,

Thomas P. O'Brien


......wtf. What kinda douche ends a letter about seizing a car like that?

[drift freaq]

Sorry if this has be asked already but, How did the Government find out about the car?

Did the owner try to register it, therefore alerting the Government to it's existence?

I'm asking because a friend of mine and I were discussing the possibility of getting an R32 from Canada and using it as a race only chassis and never attempting to register it or drive it on the streets, assuming that the car was never entered into the system, the Government shouldn't know about it's existence. I know California is going to be different from NJ but I'm under the impression that this is a Federal Order to get rid of the car.

California does have kit car registration. 500 per year. You have to line up for it, at the beginning of the year. LOL

As far as keeping the car offroad and using it track only the Government has no problem with that.

The person that got the letter was driving it on the street. If I read Sean Morris's post about it right. The person got pulled over for a speeding ticket.

Given the whole Import drag craze and the stupid kids trying to drift their cars on street craze in certain area's of California cars are targeted. If you got pulled over for any reason whatsover and the cops recognize this car as not being a U.S. market Vehicle or a registered kit car? Well then they may forward the info to the feds depending on how much of a dick they are.

Now any of you out of state fucks want to blame this on Cali? Fuck you man. There are cops all over the country that are assholes that would do the same damn thing.

In this case this has not as much to do with the owner being in California as the owner possibly made major mistakes in trying to hide his deceit. Registering the car as a Skyline would be the major mistake. Its a known red flag.

Yup deceit, technically Kaizo is skating a very thin legality line. In legal terms its called deception. I.E. deceit i.e. attempt to hide or deny truth.

In the end like I said earlier the owner has a decent chance of taking it to court and getting it tossed. Due to the vague wording of the letter and the letter not actually showing proof of knowledge there was a violation, on the U.S. Attorney's part.

Will it cost the owner lots of money for hiring a damn attorney to represent him and not lose his car? Yes , will it be worth it? Remains to be seen.

Damn at this time, you can buy a new 370Z you can buy a GTR. As much as I love these older cars it just does not make sense to run one on the street if you cannot do it legally without threat of what is happening.

[allntrlundrgrnd]

jesus christ, the priorities of this country need to be put in check...

amirite?

[zenki.life]

jesus christ, the priorities of this country need to be put in check...

amirite?

you would think so. but who says america does everything in the people best interest

[thetopcow]

Very truly yours,

Thomas P. O'Brien


......wtf. What kinda douche ends a letter about seizing a car like that?

Agreed, this almost seems like it could be a scam...just seems fishy.

[ixfxi]

anyone else here missing what i'm seeing?


its a fucking skyline GTR, not some bullshit s13 with an SR


if the owner has ANY fucking sense to have that kind of money for that kind of car:


deREGISTER the fucking thing and use it as a fucking track car, like the rest of us law-abiding citizens. i mean jesus, what the fuck are you gaining by driving this shit on the streets anyway? i understand kaizo's business model was to give you the best of both worlds, but when the shit hits the fan like it is.. just use it as a track car and let it be.


watch........... i bet the owner will part it on on zilvia. bunch of fuckers low-balling for an RB26 "aye y0, how many miles on the RB hommie? will you take 1000 + trade for 90 accord??? hit me up on myspace"

[soon2beSIL80]

you would think so. but who says america does everything in the people best interest

quoted for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

[OBEEWON]

The point of a GTR is its a streetable track car. Nothing wrong with driving it on the street. Point is US is biased towards Anglo Saxon cars.

It's car racism plain and simple. lol.

[ixfxi]

its not racism, you dumbass.. its that the car is not intended for US roads. the headlights aim the wrong way and are a danger to other drivers we share the road with. the car does not meet US crash safety standards, smog standards, etc...............

if you want a GTR for the streets, buy a fucking R35 and quit fucking with this ancient 1990s technology.

ballers on a budget, always destined for mediocreness

[Teddy]

This sucks, considering I was actually thinking of buying a Skyline to drive on the street in a few months.

[OptionZero]

The point of a GTR is its a streetable track car. Nothing wrong with driving it on the street. Point is US is biased towards Anglo Saxon cars.

It's car racism plain and simple. lol.

Cool. i'm gonna get a TVR Sagaris.

[Bigsyke]

its not racism, you dumbass.. its that the car is not intended for US roads. the headlights aim the wrong way and are a danger to other drivers we share the road with. the car does not meet US crash safety standards, smog standards, etc...............

if you want a GTR for the streets, buy a fucking R35 and quit fucking with this ancient 1990s technology.

ballers on a budget, always destined for mediocreness


I agree lets not use the word racism, however lets not call other members dumbasses. The reason i'd take an R33-34 vs a R35 is because of this ancient 90's technology, or lack there of- and thats the point. Less emissions, less drivetrain loss, less weight, a better platform for enthusiasts to have a base setting to fit their needs.

Do I want an R35 transmission? nope. This is why I continue to stick so much money into my S14, instead of buying an R35 and using that. I would love to have a skyline, but the simple fact is;

If you can get pulled over and "poped", and have your car taken away in the state of california for having an illegal engine mod on a US car such as a Honda/Nissan, then why the hell would you drive a federally illegal car in the state of CA? Secondly;

If CA has one of the highest theft rates for hondas/nissans, and the infamous EG abamonation of a car gets snatched like its to save a thiefs life, why the fuck would you give 65K to a group of theives by having a skyline? A honda theif would steal one just to say he stripped a skyline. No security would prevent a skyline from getting snatched, even people in japan dong even buy them anymore because their own family members steal them.

[ixfxi]

I agree lets not use the word racism, however lets not call other members dumbasses. The reason i'd take an R33-34 vs a R35 is because of this ancient 90's technology, or lack there of- and thats the point. Less emissions, less drivetrain loss, less weight, a better platform for enthusiasts to have a base setting to fit their needs.

Do I want an R35 transmission? nope. This is why I continue to stick so much money into my S14, instead of buying an R35 and using that. I would love to have a skyline, but the simple fact is;

If you can get pulled over and "poped", and have your car taken away in the state of california for having an illegal engine mod on a US car such as a Honda/Nissan, then why the hell would you drive a federally illegal car in the state of CA? Secondly;

If CA has one of the highest theft rates for hondas/nissans, and the infamous EG abamonation of a car gets snatched like its to save a thiefs life, why the fuck would you give 65K to a group of theives by having a skyline? A honda theif would steal one just to say he stripped a skyline. No security would prevent a skyline from getting snatched, even people in japan dong even buy them anymore because their own family members steal them.

the fact of the matter is that no matter what most of us do to our cars, and i mean like 99% of us.. if not 100%..........
an R35 GTR will always be able to outperform an S13/S14/S15/R32/R33/R34. You may be able to build a better drag car, or a better drift car, but not an ALL AROUND car. You'll skimp and sacrifice somewhere, as does every wanna-be-engineer on our forums... you'll build the fastest drag car that only runs on race gas and doesnt have anything in it, no ac, etc... i mean, there is always a sacrifice.

But the stock GTR, is just an all around great car.. and thats why its legal, it complies to every crash/smog/lighting standard in any country.

For years ive been receiving emails from douchebag skyline owners in Canada seeking DOT compliant headlights, its the same thing.. they are trying to make their cars road legal but dont understand why these RHD lights dont comply, and wont ever comply. It takes volume to create the parts needed to make things like this worth while. And in the end, what for? You can just buy a Z06 corvette and have a fantastic car at a fraction of the price.

Let me not be misunderstood, I love the GTRs like the rest of you.. but I also understand that ALL of these cars need a shitload of work, planning, engineering, before they can become something feasible for the streets. I mean lets not look too far, I like many of you run an illegal motor on my car not because its illegal or dangerous, but because the pros outweight the cons and i take that risk if i run it on the street. should i get into a problem, i de-register the car and use it on the track like dousan and the many others.


its just not worth it.................. ever

[Brian]

lol, it never stops.


"ahhh I'm so mad, my illegal car got taken away! USA is so unfair. I am mad! I want to drive my illegal car on the street!"

[Bigsyke]

I dont understand why all the skyline owners live in CA, is it just the illegal aspect of it- which makes it more tempting to buy? Kinda like the chick that goes for the guy with 2 babys mammas, a wife and 8 kids vs the single stallion with a lambo and cake in the bank. maybe its the danger aspect or getting confenscated or stolen.

Yet in the other states with very lax vehicle emissions, you never see any skylines, and its not money, because maybe 1 out of 10 skyline owners do it because of the actual platform, and the others do it for the paul walker factor.

I really could care less, just give one to me, I dont think DOT goes after anybody up here. Once they do Ill gladly throw in the towel and move back to my S14

[Brian]

I don't know.... I think a lot of people in CA assume that they are above the law.


...then they get busted.

[thurman548]

In accordance with NHTSA-2005-22654 he can import the car. After reading the letter from the US Attorney. The second paragraph on suggest he may have it illegally. If he has the paperwork that he imported properly he should be ok. If he didn't import it correctly he is assed out.

[artdrifter]

DAMN this sucks. i just drive slow and call it a day

[HAWAII]

US priorities are FAK!

[drift freaq]

I dont understand why all the skyline owners live in CA, is it just the illegal aspect of it- which makes it more tempting to buy? Kinda like the chick that goes for the guy with 2 babys mammas, a wife and 8 kids vs the single stallion with a lambo and cake in the bank. maybe its the danger aspect or getting confenscated or stolen.

Yet in the other states with very lax vehicle emissions, you never see any skylines, and its not money, because maybe 1 out of 10 skyline owners do it because of the actual platform, and the others do it for the paul walker factor.

I really could care less, just give one to me, I dont think DOT goes after anybody up here. Once they do Ill gladly throw in the towel and move back to my S14

Its because the majority of the people that want these live in California or Florida. As a fact, this is ground zero in the U.S. for performance cars. So, it stands to reason this is were the interest would be.



Pure and simple logic.

Oh and the emissions are just a small part of the larger equation. I.E. no crash bars in the doors, no bumper reinforcements, no safety glass in the windows, headlights setup for RHD which means non DOT, Etc.....

In accordance with NHTSA-2005-22654 he can import the car. After reading the letter from the US Attorney. The second paragraph on suggest he may have it illegally. If he has the paperwork that he imported properly he should be ok. If he didn't import it correctly he is assed out.

While it may be legal to import the car. Its completely illegal to use it on U.S. roads according to both the NHSTA and the DOT. If he was trailer it to the track and using it there he would have no problems.

The problem is he has been identified as using it on U.S. roads i.e. street use. That is illegal according to current law. That is anywhere in the U.S. I might add not just California, regardless of if the particular state is lax on enforcement of the issue or the U.S. attorney in that state is..

Unless he can prove its a true kit car and thereby verify and validate his kit car registration if he has one. Currently according to post? It seems the car is registered as a Skyline and the authorities know that any Skyline that was not a Motorex R33 is not legal.

Therein lies his problem.

The only out he has a because of a legal wording issues on the U.S. attorneys part. And the fact that because of that wording the U.S. attorney that sent the letter used, has made it painfully obvious that they sent the letter before investigating the issue.

[whiterps13]

Is there any proof that this is even a real letter from the government?
The wording, the uncertainty, it just doesnt sound very official.
My car has been stolen, Im automatically skeptical. Is there any chance somebody is just fucking with the guy and trying to steal the car? Is that even a real states attourney and is that his real contact information?

[Teddy]

So I take it, any Skyline entering the country today or in the near future cannot legally (or "legally") be driven on the street even with loopholes in DMV paperwork?

[HyperTek]

the government wont stop til everyone buys american and stops the outsourcing of foreign goods lmao jk

maybe its a scam by some dude to scare someone into giving him their skyline lol

Just a fanboy car anyways imo that was recently popular from movies/media.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

meh. i'm just gonna move to canada. 33's are legal next year. yay.

[EroGori]

Why is it legal for Canadians to drive JDM cars across the border in the US and it isn't legal for us to buy them and drive them here?

[HyperTek]

^because US and canada have different laws lol

US is the land of opertunity = meaning everyones grown up with the idea that you gotta make money no matter what. lol

[98s14inaz]

cool, i totally didn't know swapping vins was a crime, like really. Can anyone awnser my question?

I did, captain sarcasm. Swapping the vins and getting caught is worse than having an illegal car to begin with. No one with any sort of common sense wants to chance it. Want me to break it down more for you?

[drift_limo]

so the country is broke .. but yet they can take away a car that yeah maybe it is illegal..but if there is a way to legalize it and make money they dont (goverment)
... shame
. glad i cant afford a skyline ..yea thats it

lol

sucks for the people that have skylines here in vegas...

[kognition]

You Skyline guys just kill me. I think i have seen 2 or three of these cars at the track in the last three years. Take your shit and build an air conditioned garage for it. Because thanks to morons street racing, you now have a bullseye on your back. Just take your shit to the track. Girlies don't care that you drive a Skyline. I guess you didn't get the memo. :cj:

[Kouki_Love]

this is really stupid... why are they soo danmm worried about a car and what not.. they should focus on stoping all the immigrants and drug smugglers rather than messing with car enthusiasts.. if i was in that position i would never surrender..

[OptionZero]

i was not aware that stopping immigration and drugs was mutually exclusive with "messing with car enthusiasts"

[ronmcdon]

The "person" who got said letter live in the state of California ??

The letter was sent from the a US attorney's office, located in Santa Ana, CA.
No mention in the letter, or the article which State the owner is located.

If it is indeed a Federal matter, the owner of the car could plausibly be located in a different state (I'm guessing here).

[Shadowhunter]

As always more goverment b.s. I'd be curious to see how this all plays out.

[ericcastro]

I never asked this since it's so annoying to hear about imported cars, but why don't people find a p.o.s s13 or s14 and swap all the vins onto their skylines? i mean how can a cop possibly prove that a skyline isn't a 240 w/ extensive fabbing to appear as a skyline?

not reading the whole thread.
same ol stuff

but this is done more than you would think.
alot of the cars arent daily driven though.

[drift freaq]

So I take it, any Skyline entering the country today or in the near future cannot legally (or "legally") be driven on the street even with loopholes in DMV paperwork?

Ya Teddy you are correct. The loopholes are codel snafu's. There are laws already on the books that would supersede them.

Ever seen a vehicle code handbook? Its bigger than a bible. They have about 15 different codes just for writing a speeding ticket. Same goes for noise tickets and just about everything else.

Plus DMV is again a state thing. This is Federal stuff we are talking about and Federal supersedes state in matters of DOT and NSHTA.

[OptionZero]

The letter was sent from the a US attorney's office, located in Santa Ana, CA.
No mention in the letter, or the article which State the owner is located.

If it is indeed a Federal matter, the owner of the car could plausibly be located in a different state (I'm guessing here).

The USA from Santa Ana is from the Central Federal Court District of California. They would not be sending letters to people from out of state; a USA's jurisdiction is over their district only (generally).

[ranger240]

"very truly yours"

what a bunch of morons... though think of the brightside...

at this rate maybe those worthless and countless cobra fiber cars may actually be worth something once theyre illegal to make


forget drunk drivers we all know that skyline gtrs are a menace on the roads.. not only do they cause skin cancer and kill polar bears.. but they kill 34524352 americans a year... forget MADD, GAS is the new shit.. government against skylines


another thought...

with the gov so invested in cars now.. its funny how their action isnt too far from a dealer trying to keep people off his turf

[Matej]

It is ironic that the people who actually try to do the legal thing and want to register their Skylines to pay taxes on them are the ones who get burned out most by this.

Yet you can legally register dune buggies.

[AutoTune]

First fail was registering it as a skyline, need to register it as a kit car or something so the they cant goverment cant track it, idk, utah is totally diffrent the other states, we can get state issued vin numbers so the fed. gov. cant track a state issued vin, i had a freind register 5 skylines he imported as a Nissan 2door coupe on the title lol... i dont think any of his customers have had any problems with them either...

here's the shity part....you live in utah

[ronmcdon]

The USA from Santa Ana is from the Central Federal Court District of California. They would not be sending letters to people from out of state; a USA's jurisdiction is over their district only (generally).

Got it.
Good to know.

[TPS240sxS13]

"very truly yours"

what a bunch of morons... though think of the brightside...

at this rate maybe those worthless and countless cobra fiber cars may actually be worth something once theyre illegal to make


forget drunk drivers we all know that skyline gtrs are a menace on the roads.. not only do they cause skin cancer and kill polar bears.. but they kill 34524352 americans a year... forget MADD, GAS is the new shit.. government against skylines


another thought...

with the gov so invested in cars now.. its funny how their action isnt too far from a dealer trying to keep people off his turf

Haha rofl. I feel you on this subject. I find it stupid for a person who wants a R32/R33/R34 and doesn't want to be shady and do everything legitimately. Yes they are not as fast as a R35 GTR and they are not left hand drive, etc but some people do not care about performance. I know some of you cannot get your head around that, but some people have just a love and passion for a particular car. If a guy growing up, falls in love with a R33 and years later when he is older and has the money to get one, he gets it. Why is that so bad? Well Yes it’s not DOT approved, and yes it’s not DOT safe but so isn't a Ford model T and I have seen one in Dallas drive on the city roads. Also with each state having so many rules and standers for car inspections I don't think the Feds should be handling this. It should be a state to state ruling on what they allow on their state roads. The fact that the Fed government is getting involved means that somebody high up has an agenda and a plan of what to do with these cars. Now I am not some anti Government hippy, but there is a line that I believe they are crossing and I would not be surprised if this makes it to the appeals court and if it gets really bad the Supreme Court. *End Rant* lol

[Teddy]

Ya Teddy you are correct. The loopholes are codel snafu's. There are laws already on the books that would supersede them.

Hmm. Perhaps there would be more of a chance of working something out in a state like Florida?

[drift freaq]

Hmm. Perhaps there would be more of a chance of working something out in a state like Florida?

Forida is just not concerned about any of this kind of enforcement. The state is pretty lax on smog laws and registration laws from what I have heard.

If you don't mind running into the chance of your ass getting blown away 5 or 6 times a year on a seasonal basis? If you don't mind extreme humidity with your heat? Move there.

I for one would not want to live in Florida I fucking hate humidity.

[SlideWell]

Hmm. Perhaps there would be more of a chance of working something out in a state like Florida?

good luck. you need credentials on paper and then some, its easier than most, but not super easy. if it was everyone interested in s-chassis and more would have a jdm car. it really depends on who you deal with and who you know. just my 2 cents.

[genericforumname]

Forida is just not concerned about any of this kind of enforcement. The state is pretty lax on smog laws and registration laws from what I have heard.

If you don't mind running into the chance of your ass getting blown away 5 or 6 times a year on a seasonal basis? If you don't mind extreme humidity with your heat? Move there.

I for one would not want to live in Florida I fucking hate humidity.

agreed, humidity does suck. we do however have zero enforcement on smog laws (dunno on registration) and the last real hurricane here was 2004 and even that was blown way out of proportion on the media, as long as you don't live on the coast (where no one should be allowed to build anyways) or in a trailer you'll be fine.

on topic, I've seen a few skylines around here (and s15's) and havent really heard about any problems so far, I won't lie and say I frequent local forums much anymore though.

[Teddy]

Forida is just not concerned about any of this kind of enforcement. The state is pretty lax on smog laws and registration laws from what I have heard.

If you don't mind running into the chance of your ass getting blown away 5 or 6 times a year on a seasonal basis? If you don't mind extreme humidity with your heat? Move there.

I for one would not want to live in Florida I fucking hate humidity.

I'm not talking about moving to Florida, I'm talking about having the car imported to LA, trailered to Florida for a very basic (from what I've heard) inspection and having it registered with Florida plates. Afterwards picking up a Florida license, because apparently they don't require you to forfeit your CA license, and bringing back the whole ordeal to CA. Get pulled over? Show the fuzz your Florida ID and theoretically, you should be okay.

Seems difficult, but maybe a possibility?

[Enna]

From what I've heard however, you can't have a vehicle registered out of state for longer than a month. Not too sure though, its been a long time since I lived in california.

[piranhamatt]

US Attorney Thomas O'Brien stepping down (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/08/11/us_attorney_thomas_obrien_stepping_down/)


Maybe because he wrote/dictated horrible letters?

[Dee]

Just conform and buy a Prius! No more worrys.

[S-Nation S13]

lol as much as the US tries to stop illegal imported cars..why dont they try doing the same for drugs,and other illegal activities that happen WITH IN the US!!!!

government to caught up in stoppin non-fatal activities..LOL

MY 2 CENTS ITS NOT THE CARS THAT KILL PEOPLE,ITS THE STUPID DRIVERS THAT DRIVE THEM THAT DO,WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LHD vs RHD..NOTHING LOL

[Grenade180sx]

the us gov has alot of problems with drugs terrorist(here in the US) etc etc. but you guys need to realize theres DOT and NHTSA for a reason. its someones job to work on this. get over it. fact of life. now lets all keep driving our Sr'd powered cars until we get smog check point'd and cry about how we didnt know it was illegal

[Brian]

lol as much as the US tries to stop illegal imported cars..why dont they try doing the same for drugs,and other illegal activities that happen WITH IN the US!!!!

government to caught up in stoppin non-fatal activities..LOL

MY 2 CENTS ITS NOT THE CARS THAT KILL PEOPLE,ITS THE STUPID DRIVERS THAT DRIVE THEM THAT DO,WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LHD vs RHD..NOTHING LOL

You're right. They don't do ANYTHING towards drugs or other illegal activities.

[ixfxi]

Haha rofl. I feel you on this subject. I find it stupid for a person who wants a R32/R33/R34 and doesn't want to be shady and do everything legitimately. Yes they are not as fast as a R35 GTR and they are not left hand drive, etc but some people do not care about performance. I know some of you cannot get your head around that, but some people have just a love and passion for a particular car. If a guy growing up, falls in love with a R33 and years later when he is older and has the money to get one, he gets it. Why is that so bad? Well Yes it’s not DOT approved, and yes it’s not DOT safe but so isn't a Ford model T and I have seen one in Dallas drive on the city roads.

your not comparing apples with apples, son. leave the oranges out of this.


to crush your comparison, you CANNOT compare the model T or any older vintage vehicle and for one reason, because those cars complied to the rules of the road here in the US AT THE TIME THEY WERE MANUFACTURED AND SOLD. The R32/33/34 has never, and will never comply with our rules.. hence the reason it was never sold here.

Furthermore, the model T does not have RHD headlights, nor does it have 250-300+ HP of twin turbo power.. it has like 50, maybe 80.. whatever.

There are reasons and reasons and reasons why foreign cars should not be used on US roads. Sitting on the wrong side of the car can also cause problems, there have been studies about this. We're not delivering mail now, are we?

[singlecamslam]

I though it was a free country, and the people that say buy a r35 or a zo6, well what if some people want an r33 not because its better or worse but just because you want it. Some people have tons of money but they dont chose to live in a giant mansion in Beverly Hills but a regular 2 story house. As for emission thats such BS, they fail VISUAL inspection, just like the SR in a 240.
Now befor you all get pissy and start giving me the "oh its the law" line, yea its the law but even if we follow the law we still get busted take for instance my "carb legal" intake, got a 450 dollar ticket for that. So if the cops and goverment dont want to follow their own laws than its war.

[Brian]

^^^^^
Go for it.

Fight the US Government about illegal cars and tell us how it goes.

[Dousan_PG]

i think the whole thing is funny
i think importing cars is radical
but for track use
imo even putting an intake on a car and driving around is stupid. more power? faster? for what..the supermarket?

modify cars for the track, not for street because imo, its just stupid. who the hell cares if your xxx is faster then my car?
because im pretty sure in traffic, you may take off fast but ill see you at the next redlight

modifying is fantastic, i love it! but for track cars, full track cars. no emissions fancy gas big ass turbos and tires. have fun there, go nuts. but not on the streets. its just stupid

and RHD on the streets is plain retarded
see everything mike wrote.

[SlideWell]

JDM cars on US roads is ghhheeeyyy.

[thisisastickup]

ballers on a budget, always destined for mediocreness
you lose points for "mediocreness."

mediocrity.
mediocrity.
mediocrity.

[s13 @ fullboost]

here is what you do Have your mom rent out a storage place in her name like a unit and just park your car in there and the gov will never get it =]

[z2roll4life7]

i think the whole thing is funny
i think importing cars is radical
but for track use
imo even putting an intake on a car and driving around is stupid. more power? faster? for what..the supermarket?

modify cars for the track, not for street because imo, its just stupid. who the hell cares if your xxx is faster then my car?
because im pretty sure in traffic, you may take off fast but ill see you at the next redlight

modifying is fantastic, i love it! but for track cars, full track cars. no emissions fancy gas big ass turbos and tires. have fun there, go nuts. but not on the streets. its just stupid

and RHD on the streets is plain retarded
see everything mike wrote.

I can See where You Coming From Bro But Not all of us have the money to Build a car just for the Track you think we all can afford to buy Fancy Gas and big ass turbos No we cant so we Buy or Build what we can for our cars to make them run at the best we can get them
Im against StreetRacing and what not but when ur all by your self on an open road up in the mountains or out in the desert its fun to just let your car rip
Everyone on here has broken a law (Most likely in Your cars) at one time or another i just dont get it sometimes but back to the r33 i hope he can keep it i hope he fights he most likely love his car and i hope he wins

[thisisastickup]

what the fuck? periods, man.

I'm all for people driving a skyline at the track, but if it's that illegal, why bother? I completely agree with the people saying how stupid it is. noone cares that it's a skyline except the people who don't matter, like douchebag civic driving kids at car shows. keep driving your sr'd 240 nice and slow, and don't get pulled over, and you shouldn't run into any problems.

[CursedGTR]

Illegal = Illegal no if ands or buts. Just keep your JDM tightness on the track and off of public roads where you could hurt someone and end up fuckign them over when your insurance tells you to fuck off.

[HyperTek]

who cares what people do with it .. the fact is that the government is after this car and how ridiculous the laws are. SHould just pay a entry tax and long as it meets some smog regulations with some cats thrown on they should be ok but nope law is the law. yet aerial atoms open cockpit cars are road legal and ugly as fuck but also made in america.

but me i could care less about the older skylines, still alot of good road legal cars to look at as alternatives.

check this out
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/99254-r32gtr-seized-usa-forced-export-any-help.html

We can all have guns in this country, but we cant have a freaking skyline lol

[Matej]

Personally I would love to have an R32 GTS Skyline.
Not because it is 'JDM' or to impress teen boys, which apparently are the only reasons people in America want them. Nor would I want it as a track car, I do not desire to ever own a track car.
I just like the way the R32 looks, and if they were legal and easy to come by, I would most likely have one. However, the way things are, the hassle of buying and owning one is not worth it to me, but apparently to some people it is.

[drift freaq]

Personally I would love to have an R32 GTS Skyline.
Not because it is 'JDM' or to impress teen boys, which apparently are the only reasons people in America want them. Nor would I want it as a track car, I do not desire to ever own a track car.
I just like the way the R32 looks, and if they were legal and easy to come by, I would most likely have one. However, the way things are, the hassle of buying and owning one is not worth it to me, but apparently to some people it is.

I too would like to have a R32 Skyline GTR based on how it looks and drives. Though having it in the U.S. to drive on city streets? Hell no.
Oh and like you said with the money spent to get one here and deal with ins outs of bringing it in? Not worth it.

[ixfxi]

who cares what people do with it .. the fact is that the government is after this car and how ridiculous the laws are. SHould just pay a entry tax and long as it meets some smog regulations with some cats thrown on they should be ok but nope law is the law. yet aerial atoms open cockpit cars are road legal and ugly as fuck but also made in america.

comparing apples with oranges again, are we?

the ariel atom is 100% legal, fuckers. it uses LHD headlights, has suitable crash protection, and my customers atom uses a chevy ecotec motor that meets current emissions standards.

regardless, the atom not registered as a normal vehicle, its registered as a specialty vehicle. its light weight and efficient. theres no way the atom is a danger on the road.

[drift_limo]

this is really stupid... why are they soo danmm worried about a car and what not.. they should focus on stoping all the immigrants and drug smugglers rather than messing with car enthusiasts.. if i was in that position i would never surrender..


lawyers are great you know :cj:

but i dont know about the immigrant shiet. ..

i like how there isnt a guy or gal with a skyline in here to here there 2cents...

but i kinda agree with RHD car on the street yea its cool yea you getthe sausage fest .. but cars should be build for the track .. i dont mind it somebody might wanna cruise every once in a while in ther "RHD JDM"car ..

[LloydXmas]

I am a owner, still restoring mine though. I am watching the situation closely but I am not a kaizo owner so the big spot light isn't on me. There are so many loopholes,counter productive, and wording that cancels itself out that there is no real "legal" way of doing anything when it comes down to it. It is simply like that for the Government to pick and choose when and what it wants to come after you with. If they were in no shape way or form illegal they would not be considered "grey" market cars but rather "black" market car. To talk trash about owners of them, we didnt get them for only simply being attention whores but to say you wouldn't want one would be a lie. If it was a U.S. made car a lot of people would be rocking r32's instead of s13 no matter if it was for tracking or just a street car. They are no more illegal then a sr/rb/vq/vk/2j swapped 240 is. How many of you run no front impact bar for fmic clearance? If your insurance knew the stuff we did to our cars we would be fucked insurance wise too lol. There are people starting to man up, and fight these laws in the grey market world. Not only skyline owners, but any imported car alike. I am dear to anything Nissan produces and I sought after these cars when I picked my first s13 hatch I had on here for sale last year. now a r32 owner I haven't gotten to even enjoy it yet but it has still been an experience. So instead of fighting on who is right and wrong, lets not be like NICO and actually step up and try to do something about it. It never hurts to try.

[pinkarrowsnow]

lloyd 50 members on zilvia that maybe 3 actually have a skyline cant fight against the us government as clear corners mike said its alot more than what meets the eye that makes the car illegal

[handinpants]

Looks like a hater reported them. "It has been brought to my knowledge..."

about 2 months ago kaizo was raided my the feds and their computers were siezed. on thos computers are names and addresses of kaizo car owners.

I called this special ageny guy today, left my cell for him to call me bac k

[fbiphil]

Many of the laws in California (and probably most other states) aren't there to save the environment or increase safety- they are in place to make the state MONEY.
I got reffed for my SR in a 240. Sold the car (to another CA resident), went to court with the release of liability, and they dropped the ticket to a small fine. They don't care about the car still being on the roads, they don't care that I didn't correct the violations- they just want their money.
Do you really think the Atom is a safer car than an R33 Skyline? Maybe it'll cause less damage when it hits something due to its lighter weight, but that's about it.
If someone involved with this wing of the government was thinking, they'd find a way to make money bringing these cars in. If we can register Manx-style dune buggies for the street, why not assign Skylines, Silvias, Porsche 959s, Skoda Octavios, Lancia Delta Integrales... anything someone wants to drive, let them pay to get it VIN'ed and registered!

The only REAL argument I can see is the headlights. I do agree that this is one issue with RHD vehicles, but it's not insurmountable.

The whole situation is just wack. People want to drive unique vehicles on the street to stand out from the crowd. I don't want a Skyline just because it's fast- I want to be different! Maybe that makes me a poser/hard parker/whatever, but I love unique cars, and I'd love the opportunity to own a Skyline for the street.

[tricky_ab]

meh. i'm just gonna move to canada. 33's are legal next year. yay.


Ahh...Come to Canada. We have health care and we can drive RHD imports without the gov knocking our doors down, trying to take them...

[xpl2007]

That letter if BS.. Someone wants a free Skyline!!!
You do not get letters from them they just knock at your door....
Several BS names on the letter.
Wording is not of that department. Sounds like a 5th grader wrote the letter.
I could care less just dont drive them on the street and youll never have a problem..
See 32, 33, 34 all day over here... All dealer plates i just laugh...

[drift_limo]

Ahh...Come to Canada. We have health care and we can drive RHD imports without the gov knocking our doors down, trying to take them...

and hot girls!!


That letter if BS.. Someone wants a free Skyline!!!
You do not get letters from them they just knock at your door....
Several BS names on the letter.
Wording is not of that department. Sounds like a 5th grader wrote the letter.
I could care less just dont drive them on the street and youll never have a problem..
See 32, 33, 34 all day over here... All dealer plates i just laugh...

its really brian o'connor.. he wants them all!

[HyperTek]

if i wasnt gonna drive a skyline on the street though, might as well jsut boot up my playstation and have at it.. no joy in owning a car if you cant take it out every now and then. if you want a track only car, build a s chassis.

[SlideWell]

i heard word of 2 guys up here from a shop that got their registrations taken away for their r32's. yet i know 2 others personally that have not had any issues, one with an r32gtr and a r33 gts. i didnt have any issues doing emissions the other day, they didnt even check my VIN on the car. i was nice, like always tho and a joker. i had another girl conductor from another lane at emissions come over and check my car out. whether or not being a nice guy will get u far is hit and miss, but i know a lot of guys with skylines are dicks. having a RHD s14 i just tend to play with people in a friendly manner. if it doesnt pass a visual inspection, thats ur states problem. i have found loopholes within the system in a variety of situations. do some legwork and you end up where they didnt want you, and used it to try and screw you out of your car and all of our tax dollars for pursuing the limited amount of gray market cars, out of reach of the law. its all limited, so be smart about it.
oh, and people bitching about RHD headlights, i bitch about ur mom driving her lexus with her HID lights blaring into my mirrors and in my eyes while driving towards me. who gives a shit, you cant tell me RHD cars lights bother u more than luxury cars hid's.
the whole pursuance of these vehicles is what bothers me the most, and waste of ridiculous government salaries to pin down a small amount of cars that would meet safety standards here, but limited testing was done at the time of the boom. its all paperwork. re-reg it, bond release, reg in state with no interest. fuck.

[fliprayzin240sx]

JDM cars on US roads is ghhheeeyyy.

Says the guy who did a full JDM RHD swap...:fawk:

[LloydXmas]

lloyd 50 members on zilvia that maybe 3 actually have a skyline cant fight against the us government as clear corners mike said its alot more than what meets the eye that makes the car illegal


yes, but what if you have a jdm silvia, or 180sx, or type R Integra? Those are not U.S. legal either unless brought in by a RI and go through all the bullshit. It isn't about skylines only it is about the stupid laws that the U.S. only have that are so vague it is retarded. There are a lot of grey cars here. People coming together wont only be a skyline thing if things happen like we are planning.

[murda-c]

yes, but what if you have a jdm silvia, or 180sx, or type R Integra? Those are not U.S. legal either unless brought in by a RI and go through all the bullshit. It isn't about skylines only it is about the stupid laws that the U.S. only have that are so vague it is retarded. There are a lot of grey cars here. People coming together wont only be a skyline thing if things happen like we are planning.

So you want to go find all the other people who have illegal cars?

[ixfxi]

we HAD our cake, some of us have already eaten from that cake. that cake was known as MOTOREX. obviously the business had some faults which resulted in its own demise, but with that said... motorex was the only business that really attempted to do all the things necessary to make these cars road legal. funny thing is that many of those legalized cars are still running around today, cool eh?

not that i am an importer, so i dont know all the details.. but i can say that i know they addressed things like having the speedometers recalibrated to read MPH instead of KPH. they would also install front and rear side-markers and third brake light, all requirements. i never saw them install crash beams in the bumper and sides, but i believe they did this as well to meet requirements. one thing i never saw them address though, was somehow converting the RHD headlights to LHD. Considering that I've worked on a few motorex customer cars (who are also my customers), i've taken apart headlights to have them upgraded and never saw any modification to the headlight internals... shame.

one of you guys say "whats the difference if mom is driving around her blaring HID headlights in her SUV" .... FAIL. Hey dumbass, in case you didnt realize this... mom's lexus and its HID headlights have been through strict tests to ensure that they are DOT compliant. the headlights have safety features like self-leveling to compensate for additional weight in the rear of the car, as not to glare other drivers. the projectors emit a LHD beam pattern which is very different from a RHD beam pattern, and cannot merely be adjusted with screw adjusters to compensate. the only solution is optic transplant. and to compare to idiots using these shitty RHD halogen projectors off of an R32 or S13 Silvia, those projectors are not designed to handle the 3-fold increase in light output and will emit an irregular beam pattern when compared to OEM HID projector off of a lexus, etc... so your argument fails in so many levels.

if your being blinded by moms lexus, its because your car is excessively lowered. trust me, i own a miata. and yes, i would say that an ariel atom is much safer than a RHD R32 that is not compliant in many ways. i think cars like the atom/elise/exige are fantastic and am amazed that they are able to sell these cars with todays increasingly tough standards.

mike / clearcorners.com

[RB240Mike]

Obama for the fucking lose. This is one of his "stimulous plans" to keep us from importing cars to make people buy US garbage. I'm really not kidding. Anyways kinda glad I sold my RHD car this shit is beginning to get just fucking retarded.

[240sxxs]

i just read this ..and did you know ARIZONA is now banned from RHD vehicle ?? doesnt matter what the fuck you own...AS LONG AS It RHD ..u fucked..RHD Is banned now..but whoever owned the car that before the law came out..then u're fine..but if u try to import one and register it... they wont take ur car on the spto..they red flag you and if u get caught on driving the street with no regsiteration and papers ...they crush it.....LHD skyline is not a "true" skyline is it !

[NismoSilvia270R]

the government wont stop til everyone buys american and stops the outsourcing of foreign goods lmao jk


this might be true, but you can trade in your american clunker for 4500 towards your new honda...

[RastaS13]

shit never changes

[drift freaq]

shit never changes

You know what is shit never changes? Fucking 19-25 years ago people bitching about smog laws getting tougher and it being impossible to run a modified engine and worried about them clamping down on Grey market cars. LOL

Fucking this was before SR's! This was before many Skylines were being imported as were Japanese Civics and Integras and 180sx's.

LOL you guys are a crack up. You're crying the same way people did years ago. Get over it. Grow up and grow some balls. Like I, and have said like others have said, want a RHD car thats not supposed to be on the road here? Fucking drive it on the track. Trailer it there, trailer it home.

Hell Dousan is going to do that! You guys could learn a thing or two from his example.

Otherwise this thread has run its course and now everyone is just crying about how unjust U.S. laws are. You don't like em? Get into Politics and change them.

Fucking Tom Hayden one of the Chicago Seven aka 60's radical figured that shit out. You can't change shit from the outside crying about it. You get into the system and change it from within.

Oh in case your wondering he went to law school and became a state senator for California.

Oh and shit does change if you take action. Look we have an African American for President! There are lots of people who thought that would never happen.

[LloydXmas]

You know what is shit never changes? Fucking 19-25 years ago people bitching about smog laws getting tougher and it being impossible to run a modified engine and worried about them clamping down on Grey market cars. LOL

Fucking this was before SR's! This was before many Skylines were being imported as were Japanese Civics and Integras and 180sx's.

LOL you guys are a crack up. You're crying the same way people did years ago. Get over it. Grow up and grow some balls. Like I, and have said like others have said, want a RHD car thats not supposed to be on the road here? Fucking drive it on the track. Trailer it there, trailer it home.

Hell Dousan is going to do that! You guys could learn a thing or two from his example.

Otherwise this thread has run its course and now everyone is just crying about how unjust U.S. laws are. You don't like em? Get into Politics and change them.

Fucking Tom Hayden one of the Chicago Seven aka 60's radical figured that shit out. You can't change shit from the outside crying about it. You get into the system and change it from within.

Oh in case your wondering he went to law school and became a state senator for California.

Oh and shit does change if you take action. Look we have an African American for President! There are lots of people who thought that would never happen.


you know what makes a non-registered skyline ok to have here? It not being on the radar, otherwise registered or not they can take it even if it is a track car only. I am not crying even though dumb fucks run our country, but we are getting lawyers together to try to change laws. If you say that is impossible then go look at what Bill Gates did to keep his grey market Porsche...

you are right on key with what you say though.

[Ghost240]

Obama for the fucking lose. This is one of his "stimulous plans" to keep us from importing cars to make people buy US garbage. I'm really not kidding. Anyways kinda glad I sold my RHD car this shit is beginning to get just fucking retarded.


You sir are a fucking moron. Obama has nothing to do with this. The law is the law and if you want to circumvent it, you need to know your shit to the "T". This is why lawyers get paid the big bucks and stupid fucks like you are left with the bill. Yes, its OBAMA's fault.....:bash:. He wants ALL the Skylines to himself and his presidential motorcade.....:blah:

[Dousan_PG]

haha obama
someone actually said that
hahahaha
amazing.

[drift freaq]

haha obama
someone actually said that
hahahaha
amazing.

Actually Aaron, what is amazing? Is this thread is still going on. LOL

[fliprayzin240sx]

Want to know what made the Skyline folks easy targets? Easily tracked once the feds got a hold of all their data from Kaizo. They're not even going thru every state looking up JDM vin numbers, they are tracking and subpeona-ing folks from what they got from the Kaizo raids.

So what do you think will happen to the other Skylines that are did not come in thru Kaizo? Still not getting fucked with since the feds are not digging deep enough and more than likely wont.

[drift freaq]

you know what makes a non-registered skyline ok to have here? It not being on the radar, otherwise registered or not they can take it even if it is a track car only. I am not crying even though dumb fucks run our country, but we are getting lawyers together to try to change laws. If you say that is impossible then go look at what Bill Gates did to keep his grey market Porsche...

you are right on key with what you say though.

Actually your wrong about that. If the car is garaged and if it is taken to the track on a trailer its not illegal to have the car. It is Illegal to have imported it. It is illegal to drive it on the streets. Its not illegal to posses it though. I never said it was impossible. I did say it was economically not worth owning.

Bill Gates Grey Market Porsche sat in an Oakland port DOT warehouse for close to ten years before he got it out. He paid a huge amount of cash to finally get it in the states. I know all about that car.
Dude I arranged the importation of a Euro spec E30 M3 for my friend back in the lates 80's.

I am not a stranger to Grey market cars or the whole scene.

Fact is what Ray said above is true. The Kaizo cars are getting nailed because the feds have the records of all the customers.

Fact is its not worth the hassle to own one of these cars at this time, unless your only garaging it and tracking it.

Fact is this thread needs to die now, because all you guys are doing is rehashing this shit.

[second_chanceS14]

fucking bull shit ass laws, they dump shit into the oceans and kill shit and get all anal when we haul a little ass cause our cars run rich. A little exhaust fumes never hurt no one. So they are saying car was brought as parts and the guy put it together right? dissasemble the bitch, let them gay feds come and see its a parts car then put it back together again lol

[fliprayzin240sx]

fucking bull shit ass laws, they dump shit into the oceans and kill shit and get all anal when we haul a little ass cause our cars run rich. A little exhaust fumes never hurt no one. So they are saying car was brought as parts and the guy put it together right? dissasemble the bitch, let them gay feds come and see its a parts car then put it back together again lol

Aint exactly parts car when you have it registered, insured and driving on the road to appease all the JDM fanboys.

[drift_limo]

your all wrong ...

that what Vin diesel told me ...

one thing i dont get y are people so concern'd i mean yea there is a few people that own skylines.. let them handle it unless your buyin one or are in the process .. handle it .. if not .. well fan boys you must chillax..

[fliprayzin240sx]

Well the shitty part is...most folks who went thru Kaizo thats getting messed with are Military folks who cashed out $15k or so just to get their car stateside. Thats just to get the chassis changed over to a Kaizo body. Thats not including the cost of the car themselves. So imagine how it would be when the gov comes knocking on your door saying you gotta pay so and so amount to get it out of the country, get it crushed or face daily fine of thousands of dollars after you dropped $15k to get it here.

[LloydXmas]

Actually your wrong about that. If the car is garaged and if it is taken to the track on a trailer its not illegal to have the car. It is Illegal to have imported it. It is illegal to drive it on the streets. Its not illegal to posses it though. I never said it was impossible. I did say it was economically not worth owning.

Bill Gates Grey Market Porsche sat in an Oakland port DOT warehouse for close to ten years before he got it out. He paid a huge amount of cash to finally get it in the states. I know all about that car.
Dude I arranged the importation of a Euro spec E30 M3 for my friend back in the lates 80's.

I am not a stranger to Grey market cars or the whole scene.

Fact is what Ray said above is true. The Kaizo cars are getting nailed because the feds have the records of all the customers.

Fact is its not worth the hassle to own one of these cars at this time, unless your only garaging it and tracking it.

Fact is this thread needs to die now, because all you guys are doing is rehashing this shit.


exactly, illegal to import it so technically illegal to have here. It is a bunch of b/s seeing how messed up the laws are. They counter each other so damn much. Idk why you say this thread needs to die but then post in it again, hell this thread has more value then "look how my new wheels look" or any other thread on here so whats wrong with it. Yeah Bill Gates made the show or display law happen I know, but he also had to do epa work on the car. Not saying it doesnt cost a small fortune but with a lot of people together it might be easier or atleast help soften the blow of the cost of lawyers and such. It is a pretty weak attempt to do something about thee car now ince r32's are around only 7 years away from the 25 year law. As far as Kaizo, if he had not sold cars with drivetrains then he might not be in as much hassle as he is in now. That was a big deal with it so far, they are trying to connect him selling them with drivetrains or contracting it out...

[bardabe]

and the funy thing out of all the people bitching about this, non of them have a Skyline.

[K_style]

and the funy thing out of all the people bitching about this, non of them have a Skyline.

I bet they all do want one

[drift freaq]

exactly, illegal to import it so technically illegal to have here. It is a bunch of b/s seeing how messed up the laws are. They counter each other so damn much. Idk why you say this thread needs to die but then post in it again, hell this thread has more value then "look how my new wheels look" or any other thread on here so whats wrong with it. Yeah Bill Gates made the show or display law happen I know, but he also had to do epa work on the car. Not saying it doesnt cost a small fortune but with a lot of people together it might be easier or atleast help soften the blow of the cost of lawyers and such. It is a pretty weak attempt to do something about thee car now ince r32's are around only 7 years away from the 25 year law. As far as Kaizo, if he had not sold cars with drivetrains then he might not be in as much hassle as he is in now. That was a big deal with it so far, they are trying to connect him selling them with drivetrains or contracting it out...

Ok lets get this straight.

1. I am fully aware of the EPA stuff Bill Gates had to go through. In fact I was talking more about that money wise than the show or display law. Both wound up costing him a princely sum.

2. We have actually been done the road of trying to legalize engines in our community. The result? More expensive than people are actually willing to pay.

3. I am not saying that the owners of Skylines might not be able to get together and mount a battle. The fact is though, like Ixfxi aka Mike has already said, the cake has been had and eaten already too. AKA MotoRex.
Fact is the government is more against your position now than ever before. The reality is you guys are fighting a very uphill battle that will cost all of you a lot of your own money. I seriously doubt when the numbers start rolling to make it happen many will be willing to pay. You may own a vintage Skyline but I highly doubt any of you are millionaires or more.


Given all of the above and the fact that Nissan offers new cars that are in everyway as nice or nicer? It just makes no sense.

Oh and yes I could have afforded to buy a Skyline and chose not too. I have spent more than it would have cost me to buy one in modifying 240's over the years.

Oh and why am I keeping on with this thread even though I think it should die. Because you will not just let it done and accept the reality of the situation.

Since the death of MotoRex because they started cutting corners and passing up the requirements? (because Hiro was more interested in just getting cash in his pocket) It has just become much harder to bring the cars or any non U.S. market cars in. Kaizo has now made it even worse not better.

Unless you are independently wealthy its a waste of time and money. Reality check! Oh and if you are Independently wealthy you probably would like to buy many other cars beside an old Skyline. Aka Ferrari's, Porsches, Lambo's, etc....

[!Zar!]

Glad my shit is 100% legal.

whoohah!

[fliprayzin240sx]

I bet they all do want one


Nope, Id rather have an EVO V... :s101:

[LloydXmas]

Ok lets get this straight.

1. I am fully aware of the EPA stuff Bill Gates had to go through. In fact I was talking more about that money wise than the show or display law. Both wound up costing him a princely sum.

2. We have actually been done the road of trying to legalize engines in our community. The result? More expensive than people are actually willing to pay.

3. I am not saying that the owners of Skylines might not be able to get together and mount a battle. The fact is though, like Ixfxi aka Mike has already said, the cake has been had and eaten already too. AKA MotoRex.
Fact is the government is more against your position now than ever before. The reality is you guys are fighting a very uphill battle that will cost all of you a lot of your own money. I seriously doubt when the numbers start rolling to make it happen many will be willing to pay. You may own a vintage Skyline but I highly doubt any of you are millionaires or more.


Given all of the above and the fact that Nissan offers new cars that are in everyway as nice or nicer? It just makes no sense.

Oh and yes I could have afforded to buy a Skyline and chose not too. I have spent more than it would have cost me to buy one in modifying 240's over the years.

Oh and why am I keeping on with this thread even though I think it should die. Because you will not just let it done and accept the reality of the situation.

Since the death of MotoRex because they started cutting corners and passing up the requirements? (because Hiro was more interested in just getting cash in his pocket) It has just become much harder to bring the cars or any non U.S. market cars in. Kaizo has now made it even worse not better.

Unless you are independently wealthy its a waste of time and money. Reality check! Oh and if you are Independently wealthy you probably would like to buy many other cars beside an old Skyline. Aka Ferrari's, Porsches, Lambo's, etc....

I know what you are saying, but even Sean Morris himself says it is possible with enough funding to do something, yeah skyline is a dirty word to the feds but it is pretty ignorant in my eyes. I too have modded 240's over the years myself and actually daily a clean sr'd coupe. I am just in love that much with nissans that I wanted nothing more then to own a r32 gtr. Yeah of course who wouldnt want a r34 gtr or anything but I am dear to the 32's. I am trying to say that it is better to try and fail then to never had tried at all. Yeah Hiro and Motorex screwed us, and Kaizo isn't helping but there is no reason to not allow our cars in other then it will take money from our awesome U.S. side manufacturers:cj: I dont live in a strict emission state, you Cali guys have it rough. Where I am from they dont know what a 240 is nor do they care what car you have and I am far from the country lol.

[Manuelitoohno]

what about the people that own half a skyline?

rb swaps? ROFL

[ixfxi]

to think, you can spend ALL THAT MONEY on trying to change the legal system..........


...... or you can spend that money with some badass fabricator, make a tube-chassis replica thats lighter, stronger, and better than OE. then just slap on the dash, interior, drivetrain components, custom lights that are legal, and register a kit car of a GTR.

good idea if you dont feel like fucking around with " the system "

[OBEEWON]

its not racism, you dumbass.. its that the car is not intended for US roads. the headlights aim the wrong way and are a danger to other drivers we share the road with. the car does not meet US crash safety standards, smog standards, etc...............

if you want a GTR for the streets, buy a fucking R35 and quit fucking with this ancient 1990s technology.

ballers on a budget, always destined for mediocreness


Nothing you just said made sense.


Why is it legal for Canadians to drive JDM cars across the border in the US and it isn't legal for us to buy them and drive them here?


I know, its crazy!! They gonna kill us with thier dangerous RHD headlights, and lack of door crash bars. Wrap you babies in bubble wrap and put on your jock straps!

[OBEEWON]

The point of a GTR is its a streetable track car. Nothing wrong with driving it on the street. Point is US is biased towards Anglo Saxon cars.

It's car racism plain and simple. lol.


Ooops, my sarcasm font didn't work...

Clearly I was joking. How can you be racist against a CAR?

Idiota...

...Stupid black cars, so lazy and slow, drinking up all the gas and not giving anything back to society. Why don't they come here legally and get good chauffering jobs like all the blue cars...

...Look at that yellow car, I bet it doesn't even have its papers. That's why gas is so high I bet. Stupid cars sneaking over the boarder.

[ixfxi]

Nothing you just said made sense.

I know, its crazy!! They gonna kill us with thier dangerous RHD headlights, and lack of door crash bars. Wrap you babies in bubble wrap and put on your jock straps!

I KNOW! gee imagine, it must be SO hard to understand that cars are actually engineered to operate a certain way and that the government (and manufacturers) actually conduct tests and studies, with factual data, to acquire concise information! Who would know that such technology exists?

[240sxxs]

since u people willing and love doing illegal stuff why dont u guys just build a kit car...like that old man that build the lamborghini countach , then therre another guy that build the hummer H1 replicas from a ford body , and another guy build a batman vehicle..lol..it time for someone to build a skyline....lol

[roboticnissan]

wow this is a lame situation

[drift freaq]

I know what you are saying, but even Sean Morris himself says it is possible with enough funding to do something, yeah skyline is a dirty word to the feds but it is pretty ignorant in my eyes. I too have modded 240's over the years myself and actually daily a clean sr'd coupe. I am just in love that much with nissans that I wanted nothing more then to own a r32 gtr. Yeah of course who wouldnt want a r34 gtr or anything but I am dear to the 32's. I am trying to say that it is better to try and fail then to never had tried at all. Yeah Hiro and Motorex screwed us, and Kaizo isn't helping but there is no reason to not allow our cars in other then it will take money from our awesome U.S. side manufacturers:cj: I dont live in a strict emission state, you Cali guys have it rough. Where I am from they dont know what a 240 is nor do they care what car you have and I am far from the country lol.

I agree and if you read my statement you will see that I did not say its impossible. I did say its cost prohibitive. I.E. the amount of money you would spend gets way out of hand, and is not worth it. IMO

I am lucky I started out with Datsun 510's and then Moved to 240Z's. The 510 being the first sports sedan. 69 2 door(yes they were sedans, coupes were only sold in Japan and had more of a slope to the C pillar). I then moved on to 240Z's the first full sports car I was to drive. I want to put together another Z.
I have been building and playing with 240sx's for years now. Fact is I love the R32 GTR as well. Though I am more attached to GC110's GC10's and 240Z's. In that sense.

I would like a R32GTR but would not pay outlandish sums to run it on the street. This is the jixt of my whole discussion here. Its way to expensive in my eyes to bother at this point. The money one would spend to do it? They could buy a R35 or a C6 or even something else. Thats just how I feel about it.

Oh and personally I would not drive a RHD car on any American roads because its not designed for LHD roads and there are blind spots.
I also do not want to here the but ...blah blah excuses about that. Its a documented fact and I do not like it.

[OBEEWON]

I KNOW! gee imagine, it must be SO hard to understand that cars are actually engineered to operate a certain way and that the government (and manufacturers) actually conduct tests and studies, with factual data, to acquire concise information! Who would know that such technology exists?


You shouldn't mumble when you speak. I can't understand anything you are saying...

[SlideWell]

didnt Kaizo cars VIN start with a "K"? i could have sworn they did. the letter posted begins with the original JDM VIN, ECR...

[LloydXmas]

I agree and if you read my statement you will see that I did not say its impossible. I did say its cost prohibitive. I.E. the amount of money you would spend gets way out of hand, and is not worth it. IMO

I am lucky I started out with Datsun 510's and then Moved to 240Z's. The 510 being the first sports sedan. 69 2 door(yes they were sedans, coupes were only sold in Japan and had more of a slope to the C pillar). I then moved on to 240Z's the first full sports car I was to drive. I want to put together another Z.
I have been building and playing with 240sx's for years now. Fact is I love the R32 GTR as well. Though I am more attached to GC110's GC10's and 240Z's. In that sense.

I would like a R32GTR but would not pay outlandish sums to run it on the street. This is the jixt of my whole discussion here. Its way to expensive in my eyes to bother at this point. The money one would spend to do it? They could buy a R35 or a C6 or even something else. Thats just how I feel about it.

Oh and personally I would not drive a RHD car on any American roads because its not designed for LHD roads and there are blind spots.
I also do not want to here the but ...blah blah excuses about that. Its a documented fact and I do not like it.


oh I love the z chassis up to the z31's. I want nothing more then a nicely restored 2 door 510. Maybe one day when I have the time I will do it since I am in that part of the business. As far as the 32 I have it isn't registered, and it sucks to not be able to easily drive it on the street. Worthless imo but I am stuck with a restored from the ground up r32 then all this b/s has came about and I have not yet even got it together. Still a bare bones shell That I have re-did the undercarriage and body along with suspension, etc, etc. We both are on the same page, but I am more dear since I am an owner I suppose. I have only 17k invested and should be somewhere around 5-600 wheel but still very nice on the outside too. I have always gotten good deals and busted my ass to make them nice so there is more blood, sweat, and tears along with appreciation compared to those who buy rather then build. That is why I along with others are trying to do something about it, and telling others about the b/s regulations we have.

[drift_limo]

I bet they all do want one

negative...
rather get a jzx100 :drool:

[flawless]

Well this stuff is real...the feds have visited a few shops in the San Diego area already and have even seized a few cars! I dont know what the outcome will be, but if you have received one of those letters please contact me via PM. They claim that I am a victim and that they are just doing there jobs, but they took a Honda hatch from us anyways cause the transmission ID sticker was not on it. For those that are interested I will try and keep you posted.

[tricky_ab]

For those that are interested I will try and keep you posted.

I'm one who would like to know what is happening...Thanks for keeping us posted...

[flawless]

Well, for those of you that are interested...the feds did indeed seize some vehicles already and the rest received letters like the one in this thread! There is a meeting today with a dozen or so people to see what can be done about this situation. I believe they are trying to build a case agains Kaizo. I will keep you posted as things progress.
Thanks

[handinpants]

anything is possible with the right amount of money. everyone has their price. i'm more worried that they're gonna come knocking on my door when i have a gemballa porsche, but even then, i'd have the money to pay them to walk away.


oh and for the guy who said some thing about vin diesel.... did he ever tell you he's really gay, cause his girlfriend told me and my producer friend that when he was banging her.....