Gauging interest: 180sx kouki lip replica

[AngryPanda]

Like the title states, gauging interest for 180sx kouki lip replicas. The lips will be made out of fiberglass and price will range from 300-400. This will be a high quality replica. We can also offer combo kits with a OEM kouki bumper for around 500. painted combos for 850-900. Depending on interest generated.

[CrimsonRockett]

I brought this to David's attention because I know how much you guys wanted better quality replicas made(not to mention I remember how much trouble you guys went to with that company dealing with their delays and horrible customer service).

This replica won't be some shitty, stupid thin fiberglass crap.

Properly made, reinforced lips.

If there's enough interest, im positive we can even reproduce the GT style lip.

[ZenkiKid]

Doesnt Modiride sell kouki lip replicas for like 175?

[Landers]

of course there will be an interest...



but people be stingy

[Brian]

300-400 is WAY too expensive (in my opinion).

[jimmytango00]

^ isn't that what the originals cost?


I guess since they are not in production anymore it makes sense since the OEM ones will be way more expensive now.

[silviaguy240]

Doesnt Modiride sell kouki lip replicas for like 175?

2 people bought lips from them. shitty ass customer service, delayed shippment. one person has a broken lip, but ups claims improperly packaged, and store wont refund or replace.

i think 250 would be a good price only because for chuki bumper the xenon urethane lip is ~300, yes i know different product and that a larger company can produce urethane for cheaper but i dont see people paying 300 or upwards on a fiberglass lip, when a quality whole bumper costs that much.

[CrimsonRockett]

Price isn't set in stone guys.

Trying to get a ballpark figure as to how much REAL interest there is to have a great quality replica made at a reasonable cost to you guys(and us of course).

We can even offer optional splitters and canards.

Difference between our replica and Modirides knock off is that ours will fit 100% as it should, properly laid fiberglass, and none of that bullshit wavy finish. Smooth the way it should be.

[Brian]

time for my thoughts.

You guys are looking to start t his up in a REALLY shitty time.
It COULD work, but in my opinion, the odds are against you.

You're also dealing with a really cheap audience. I think $300 is too much for a full BUMPER to most of them, so keep that in mind.

There are only so many people with the TYPE X bumper, so that limits your potential numbers as well.

I think a lot of the "OEM is best" guys wouldn't touch a FRP part.



If you make it, I wish best of luck and I would like you guys to make money.

:)

[FRpilot]

sounds good except for the fact that it is fiberglass. can you do it for the same price, but substitute urethane instead.

i think the mold might be expensive initially, but after that you are just injecting urethane in it and cost less in the long run, since you don't have to hand lay fiberglass in the future, which is labor intensive.

[ManoNegra]

urethane, ~$250ish and I'm in

[Brian]

lol, urethane machines are pretty expensive.

We have one here.
It was about $100,000 years ago when we got it.

[FRpilot]

lol, urethane machines are pretty expensive.

We have one here.
It was about $100,000 years ago when we got it.

since you have the machine there, you make them in urethane, offer it for $250-300, and i'm sure you'll sell many!!

[ZX88]

I got a modiride lip in for a car. It took months to get. And the customer service is a joke. I'll see how the lip fits

[Brian]

since you have the machine there, you make them in urethane, offer it for $250-300, and i'm sure you'll sell many!!

thank you but no thank you.

[cole d]

Urethane and OEM fitment, $250 and I'm in.

[UsJdmTUner]

why not make them urethane? im tired of fiberglass.. they still crack with reinforcements...
URETHANE=$250 fair price... lets get this

[CrimsonRockett]

Urethane isn't cheap. If anything, making them Urethane would bring up the cost significantly compared to fiberglass.

Urethane is 100% out of the question.

If Urethane parts were that simple to make, every company out there making replicas or pushing out their own product would turn to urethane.

[Matej]

The company my dad works for could replicate the lip, out of any material desired.

If anyone is interested, try contacting them:
http://www.rdleverage.com

[JaeTea]

The modiride one is sooooo flimsy its scarey. Like paper mache type shit.

First drift event with this thing on and it will be gone.

BTW, worst customer service ever.

[Brian]

the company my dad works for could replicate the lip, out of any material desired.

If anyone is interested, try contacting them:
Web Page redirection template (http://www.rdleverage.com)

i want steel. Steel is preferred.

[lflkajfj12123]

this is bleh

im not going to pay 3-400 for a fiberglass replica of my oem lip that i paid 300 for which was pretty much new

[CrimsonRockett]

Titanium.

Make it happen.

[turbo_dreams]

3-400 For a fiberglass lip? I rather deal w/ "modrides" shitty service and half the price tag of a possible $300 lip. As far as fitment, if it's made by fiberglass, i'm sure i can add fiberglass/trim it to make fit myself. Not hating, just a consumer's insight. Although urethane is out of the question, it'd be a whole 'nother story as far as me paying 300 for it.

[FRpilot]

i want steel. Steel is preferred.

you know.. about a year ago, i thought, what if they made wide quarter panels/fenders out of steel instead of fiberglass. then you can just weld them on w/o the whole rivets/filler business. that would be awesome, but no one makes wide ventless front and rear fenders in steel.

now they even make wide vented quarter panels for the rears in fiberglass :duh:



The modiride one is sooooo flimsy its scarey. Like paper mache type shit.


that's exactly what fiberglass is. LOL

you lay fiber glass mat onto a mold, and then use the fiberglass hardener resin thing to hold the shape. that's how you get a fiberglass product.

no different to what we use to do in elementary school when we laid paper mache onto a balloon and let it dry to take the shape and pop the balloon inside.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

oem kouki bumper + lip for $500? i would consider it as a package, but it is a bit expensive for just the lip. especially after shipping..... it would suck.

[adam s]

I plan on going kouki, but the possibility of not finding a lip scared me away from it.

I'd be more than happy to pay up to $300 for a lip, but anymore than that and I'll go back to a kit.

[AngryPanda]

Again, we are simply just throwing up numbers. First thing that has already been pointed out is if it were priced in the $250-$300 area, there would be a lot more interest.

Shipping isn't an issue. It would cost no more than $50 to ship to the lower 48 states.

No rape fees.

3-400 For a fiberglass lip? I rather deal w/ "modrides" shitty service and half the price tag of a possible $300 lip. As far as fitment, if it's made by fiberglass, i'm sure i can add fiberglass/trim it to make fit myself. Not hating, just a consumer's insight. Although urethane is out of the question, it'd be a whole 'nother story as far as me paying 300 for it.

That's the thing though. Not everybody is able to modify poorly made lips. I for one would rather pay a few bucks more for a high quality replica than spend several hours trying to make a shitty knock off fit half way decent.

[lflkajfj12123]

You're also dealing with a really cheap audience. I think $300 is too much for a full BUMPER to most of them, so keep that in mind.

There are only so many people with the TYPE X bumper, so that limits your potential numbers as well.

I think a lot of the "OEM is best" guys wouldn't touch a FRP part.



also.. this.

there is only so many people with it and those who do have it want the oem one

everyone else talks a lot about how they WOULD go kouki front if there was a lip

but that is purely talk

[JaeTea]

that's exactly what fiberglass is. LOL


I know..I'm was saying compared to urethane.

This lip is the first fiberglass part I've bought and for a lip I'm not sure if fiberglass is the way to go..unless you're gonna charge people like $100 for it.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

but that is purely talk

i choo choo choose you.

[FRpilot]

I plan on going kouki, but the possibility of not finding a lip scared me away from it.

I'd be more than happy to pay up to $300 for a lip, but anymore than that and I'll go back to a kit.

kouki bumper w/o lip doesn't look that bad. way better than chuki or zenki.
but add the lip and it looks like hot fire.

also.. this.

there is only so many people with it and those who do have it want the oem one

everyone else talks a lot about how they WOULD go kouki front if there was a lip

but that is purely talk

yep. oem kouki lip has been readily available for years at $400, but only a few picked one up.

now it's discontinued and people want it.

i bet there is interest, but if it's readily available, people will just wait again.

This lip is the first fiberglass part I've bought and for a lip I'm not sure if fiberglass is the way to go..unless you're gonna charge people like $100 for it.

yes i understand. urethane is not invincible, you see cracked pignose lips for sale all the time. but it's way stronger than fiberglass. of course, fiberglass you can easily repair, just buy more fiber glass mat and resin hardener.

[cole d]

I still can't figure out why the OEM stop making the lip when they still sell the bumper and other pieces. Urethane would be nice for a replacement and I would pay $300 for OEM fitment.

[CrimsonRockett]

I still can't figure out why the OEM stop making the lip when they still sell the bumper and other pieces. Urethane would be nice for a replacement and I would pay $300 for OEM fitment.

The lip itself was double the cost of what the bumper went for.

People didn't buy it.

They stopped producing it.

After people realized how fucking amazing these lips were, they go batshit crazy buying up the remaining lips at dealerships.

Now, the people that didn't get one are complaining as to why they stopped production in the first place since they were so "awesome".

Re-read first few lines.

[FRpilot]

those japanese only "optional" items always seem to be discontinued first.

there's items for other cars that enthusiast want, but are discontinued and now sought after.

i must buy some fd 99spec/kouki bumpers soon before those are discontinued too.

[Matej]

Hot Road lip costs 200$ new in Japan, and it is cooler than Type-X lip anyway. Just convince some cool shop to become a Hot Road distributor.

[drift freaq]

those japanese only "optional" items always seem to be discontinued first.

there's items for other cars that enthusiast want, but are discontinued and now sought after.

i must buy some fd 99spec/kouki bumpers soon before those are discontinued too.

I would say thats not a bad idea. Also the Jspec taillights for FD

[ManoNegra]

Hot Road lip costs 200$ new in Japan, and it is cooler than Type-X lip anyway. Just convince some cool shop to become a Hot Road distributor.

Precisely, for $300 plus for a fiberglass copy
I'd rather import something nicer and/or rare from Japan.

[FRpilot]

I would say thats not a bad idea. Also the Jspec taillights for FD

yea, i need to start collecting those too. one day will own at least one FD.

sounds like you plan to also dave?

[ixfxi]

I think a lot of the "OEM is best" guys wouldn't touch a FRP part.


i wouldnt touch an FRP part......................... oh no no no :-)


The lip itself was double the cost of what the bumper went for. People didn't buy it. They stopped producing it. After people realized how fucking amazing these lips were, they go batshit crazy buying up the remaining lips at dealerships.

no................


most people are dreamers, i know i am. when i cant afford something, i dream about one day owning it. now that its no longer available, people say to themselves "welp, its NLA so i might as well suck a cock, or do whatever the fuck i can do to attain this thing..... THIS LIFETIME"

and thats how it works. you guys will suck COCK for a 96-98 front lip.................... type XXX ONLY

[kalypso123]

interest +1 for this

[AWDtoyota]

sounds like a lot of negatives.

But, if this goes through, put me down for 2,(possibly 3) front lips. Just tell me where to send money to.

OEM is discontinued, but I still need kouki hotness....urethene or not!

Fiberglass lip is better than no lip

[lbsam]

I will be interested depending on the material, some type of mix? what about that flex fiber crap that i hear advertised all the time? Money isnt an issue.. you gotta pay to play. (currently looking for the oem lip myself)

[axiomatik]

lol at all the people saying "just make it out of urethane and sell it for $250". people obviously have no idea how parts are made. getting a mold made for the lip would cost at least $10,000 probably more like $20,000 due to it's size and geometry. Then you have to find an injection molder to shoot the parts for you. You're talking about small runs, so they will charge an arm and a leg. No one would be able to recoup that cost.

[Brian]

axiomatic gets it.


also, urethane is pretty heavy and warps pretty easily

[ixfxi]

lol at all the people saying "just make it out of urethane and sell it for $250". people obviously have no idea how parts are made. getting a mold made for the lip would cost at least $10,000 probably more like $20,000 due to it's size and geometry. Then you have to find an injection molder to shoot the parts for you. You're talking about small runs, so they will charge an arm and a leg. No one would be able to recoup that cost.

axiomatic gets it.


also, urethane is pretty heavy and warps pretty easily

absolutely, very important points made here


the cost to produce these parts is expensive, especially because we'de be reinventing the wheel.. because nissan already has the mold and tooling necessary to make MORE of these. what we would need to do would be to either show them we have X amount of people interested in this item (lined up with cash) or....... have someone buy the rights to the mold from them.

with that said, i havent seen quality URETHANE products from the aftermarket. the stuff i have seen has been heavy, rubbery, and shitty. the OEM shit is hard and thin, yet pliable. its the perfect balance... and light too. the only problem i had with the OEM lip (as i bought mine new) was that the studs that go through the bumper use screws and the studs NEW were weak... 1 had already broken off! its kinda annoying, but im glad i bought mine new.

i cant believe i sucked cock for that chin spoiler, but thats the price you gotta pay. thanks mikey @ superior, i hope you liked your blowjob. haha

[Brian]

yeah, I broke one of the studs off too. I'm not even strong.

bhcorners.com

[drift freaq]

yea, i need to start collecting those too. one day will own at least one FD.

sounds like you plan to also dave?

hehehehehehe Ya FD's kinda pull on me. Funny thing is the Kouki aero is making me want to build a complete kouki aero version 240. Though I really do not want to go down the road of putting together another 240sx.

The amount of money you drop to rip a 240sx apart and paint it right? Well lets just say I could be driving a new or almost new Z.

Oh and for anyone who is thinking about the paint road, remember to do the car right you need to replace all the rubber and trim. At todays prices even with hookup its well over $1100 for those parts.

Oh and yes the Kouki lip is a must to do Kouki Aero right.

[CrimsonRockett]

Oh and for anyone who is thinking about the paint road, remember to do the car right you need to replace all the rubber and trim. At todays prices even with hookup its well over $1100 for those parts.

Dave, 85% of Zilvians are too cheap to pay for a real paint job, let alone pay over $1,000 in weatherstripping/moldings alone.

So, we've put a lot of thought into it.

There's a lot of people interested in a quality replica made(not to mention there's a lot more forums we need to ask the same question to).

Good chance we will be producing these.

We'll see how things are in the next few weeks.

[drift freaq]

Dave, 85% of Zilvians are too cheap to pay for a real paint job, let alone pay over $1,000 in weatherstripping/moldings alone.

So, we've put a lot of thought into it.

There's a lot of people interested in a quality replica made(not to mention there's a lot more forums we need to ask the same question to).

Good chance we will be producing these.

We'll see how things are in the next few weeks.

LOL I am well aware of it Johnny.

Though you know as well as I do, a lot of these guys would start going down the road of going there without realizing the price and then giving up on the project .

Which would reduce a possibly decent car to a pile of parts. I figured I would head them off at the pass. LOL

congrats on doing the lip. If I was going to do a Kouki front I would want one.

[burnsauto]

If i cant find an oem one (crimson, keep an eye out for me would you? help a fellow body guy out) I'll def get a fiberglass one from you guys.

Would it retain the same mounting locations as the oem lip?

I'd pay 275-300 for a frp lip.

[CrimsonRockett]

If i cant find an oem one (crimson, keep an eye out for me would you? help a fellow body guy out) I'll def get a fiberglass one from you guys.

Would it retain the same mounting locations as the oem lip?

I'd pay 275-300 for a frp lip.

It'll definitely retain all of the same mounting locations as the OEM lip.

Although, I'm thinking about having it fabbed up so you won't have to drill holes into that pretty little kouki bumper of yours. Make it have a few different mounting locations to avoid drilling holes, but still retain the same fitment and firmness.

I'll definitely keep an eye out.

I'm actually on a waiting list for 1 more brand new lip(aside from the other brand new one I have sitting at home), hoping the order gets processed by Nissan, but it's not looking to good.

We'll see what happens.

[Brian]

I agree.

the studs that go through the bumper are stupid. If there is a way to avoid those, pleas do it.

[Nacho_240]

This is just a thought that occurred to me right now...

Everbody wants urethane lips,
Xenon makes urethane lips for relatively cheap prices,
Xenon's mother company (ABC Parts) is located in Anaheim, CA,
OP is located in Anaheim, CA
Why not contact the mother company directly and see if a deal can be worked out?

btw, I went to them a couple years ago when I wanted to set up a group buy on xenon lips and they were very knid and helpful.

[5t341tH]

I think those that actually purchase the OEM kouki bumper are the kind of people that dont want shitty fiberglass bumpers.
They want quality OEM urethane and I dont think they will be wanting to spend that much on a fiberglass part. Usually, their motto is "OEM is Best"
Because they paid 400+ for a kouki bumper, they arent poor kids looking at a quick trip to kouki goodness

[HyperTek]

i found a company taht replicates the 240z G nose for over 1k Z Car Customs- JDM - Z.C.C.- 240ZG / G-NOSE KIT (http://www.zccjdm.com/catalog.php/azcarbum/dt46936/Z.C.C._240ZG__G_NOSE_KIT)
one day id like to get a 240z and i can see myself saving up and dropping the cash on that front end conversion.

now for the 240sx community, just not mature enough to see this stuff yet =(
also consider that some fruitcake at one of the big ricer kit companies will get ahold of your repo lip and knock it off and slang for less.

Now if this was 01-03, there would probably be more positive feedback on a repo lip in my opinion.

[DALAZ_68]

If Urethane parts were that simple to make, every company out there making replicas or pushing out their own product would turn to urethane.

break the mold panda garage, break the mold, but then again, 100% not a choice...ohhwell...

i wanna see how this goes, might sway my intrest in going this route ...

[r6_240sx]

It's kinda useless making a gauging interest thread. Because there will always be those that would think of it as a good idea, but never end up buying it.

Just figure out how much it will cost, how much you need to make a profit or breakeven for that matter if you're just wanting to help out the community, make a thread setting the guidelines of how much people you need in order for it to fall through and the length of time it will take to be at their doorstep.

Then you will know if it was a good idea or not.
Oh and for anyone who is thinking about the paint road, remember to do the car right you need to replace all the rubber and trim. At todays prices even with hookup its well over $1100 for those parts.LOL, so true. Nothings worse than getting a new paint job only to put shitty ass trimming put back on. Does not flow at all.

[CrimsonRockett]

I think those that actually purchase the OEM kouki bumper are the kind of people that dont want shitty fiberglass bumpers.
They want quality OEM urethane and I dont think they will be wanting to spend that much on a fiberglass part. Usually, their motto is "OEM is Best"
Because they paid 400+ for a kouki bumper, they arent poor kids looking at a quick trip to kouki goodness

If you paid $400+ for a Kouki bumper alone, you're an idiot.

If I didn't come up on my Kouki lips, I would have definitely looked into a good quality fiberglass replica.

OEM IS best, but when the real thing isn't available, you substitute it for something just as good.

When people think fiberglass, they think of some flimsy piece of shit part that'll crack the moment it touches anything.

I had a Garage Defend lip. Quality was SUPERB. Nothing remotely close to the fiberglass shit i've seen pop up around here.

Crazy light, but strong as fuck.

Same goes for the Buddy Club lip for Zenki S14's I currently have. Quality is fucking amazing. Fitment is 100000% spot on. You don't need to have 5 of your friends holding onto it at a certain angle trying to make it fit remotely close to what factory would be.

Fiberglass is fine as long as it's made correctly.

Now, if you're afraid of having the lip explode after hitting a bump at 60mph, i'm positive the OEM one itself wouldn't survive that either.

[blackcoupe]

I AM DOWN +1 for a nice quality fiberglass lip. I exploded my urethane one, it really doesnt take that much to crack them.

[kensreliableb18b]

seriously, the lip was available for YEARS and everyone said "shit, so expensive, no way i'd spend that much just for a lip." now? it's the freakin new craze.

i wouldnt touch an FRP part......................... oh no no no :-)




no................


most people are dreamers, i know i am. when i cant afford something, i dream about one day owning it. now that its no longer available, people say to themselves "welp, its NLA so i might as well suck a cock, or do whatever the fuck i can do to attain this thing..... THIS LIFETIME"

and thats how it works. you guys will suck COCK for a 96-98 front lip.................... type XXX ONLY

[blackcoupe]

any updates on this?

[smink]

+ 1 kouki love. Id buy one for sure.

[Exas Spec D]

+1 for this. As long as it is a high quality fiber glass lip that is "v-fiber" material. If that's even real... You can bend it, step on it, and drop if off 100 stories high and it'll still be good.

[RastaS13]

A little too expensive. i'll make one out of wood

[s0fa king]

id like to see where this goes. the lack of a lip for the kouki has me staying stock @ the moment. although it doesnt look terrible, it looks so much better with it.

[2iv0 sx]

I'll def be interested!.. $400? No.
$300 MAYBE. That's probably the MOST I'll spend for a copy lip :bite:

Still iffy about picking up from Modiride due to quality looking like paper planes and might fly away if laid on the palm of my hands lol.
But they seem pretty legitimate to those local peeps from my recent inquires

Hopefully some comes thru with OP :x:

[David B S12]

SE s12 lips fit on s13's... i got mine for 5 bucks at the yard
they thought it was a mangeled piece of plastic.. but i bend it straight back out by hanging it.. its a weired durable felixible material...

i do have pictures of me holding it up and how close it fits... just gotta find them, but we have the same length bumpers


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http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/gamefreak291/IMG_5770.jpg

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[Souljahzs13]

I would be down for one if quality and fitment is excellent. I would cough up around 200-300 if it looks legit

[ZX88]

i paid 250 for my replica lip shipped from california. thats a far price for a frp replica.

[ManoNegra]

@David B S12 - nice car man but seriously do you not get what this thread is about?
or did you just not bother reading?

[vespaman]

i think a good price for the replica lip would be $250 or no more than $300 because eventhough the quality and fitment is great, but it still just a copy.

if your quality is as good as you say it would be then you would get more customer than other company, but it doesn't mean that you can raise the price.

[AngryPanda]

OK it looks like there is enough interest in the lip for me to start making the mold, about 6-8 week is the eta on the mold and a few copies will be done to check fitment. If everything checks out (fitment, strength) I will get a advertiser account on zilvia and open a group buy for 15 lips at a time, any less then i would have to charge more for the lip.and start taking deposits.

[bornslippy73]

I'm interested in it. I need a spare so I'd save my original one and install still replica one for track use.

Post pictures of first draft renderings and prototypes so everyone has an idea of what it will eventually look like in its final stage.

I'm interested on the progression of this good idea.

[s0fa king]

subscribed

[nnssr]

count me in dude.

[2iv0 sx]

OK it looks like there is enough interest in the lip for me to start making the mold, about 6-8 week is the eta on the mold and a few copies will be done to check fitment. If everything checks out (fitment, strength) I will get a advertiser account on zilvia and open a group buy for 15 lips at a time, any less then i would have to charge more for the lip.and start taking deposits.

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[zylvia213]

correct me if im wrong, this is the lip you guys are talking about right..? :hide: just want to make sure.

http://www.thenismoshop.com/items/it_k6010-60F50.jpg

[Souljahzs13]

correct me if im wrong, this is the lip you guys are talking about right..? :hide: just want to make sure.

http://www.thenismoshop.com/items/it_k6010-60F50.jpg

yea, it looks like that. hopefully it fits just as nice and is made as durable

[satal95]

So any word on this?

[KrazyS13]

I'd love an update as well

[punk138]

any plans on making a replica xenon lip for the chuki bumpers?

i would so buy that ish...

[YoungGun]

Wish I was Type X.

GLWS.

[GREXS14]

Count me in for sure!

[Treefish]

Totally in if these go into production.

[cole d]

are you still working on this ?

[s0fa king]

is there still any intrest?

[lflkajfj12123]

none whatsoever dead as a door nail

[CrimsonRockett]

none whatsoever dead as a door nail

This.

We've decided against it because like always, people will say "yeah man! Definitely interested! I'd be willing to pay X amount for one!"

Then, when the time finally comes, almost nobody will actually BUY one.

Making the mold is expensive as it is.

It's not worth the time and money.