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tricky_ab
08-10-2009, 04:59 PM
It might be a long read for some, but it's interesting....

Tough times in the porn industry - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-porn10-2009aug10,0,4788614.story)

On a recent Saturday night, Savannah Stern earned $300 to hang out for seven hours at a party in Santa Monica wearing nothing but a feather boa. The veteran of more than 350 hard-core pornography productions took the job to earn extra cash and to network. But the word at the 35th anniversary party for Hustler magazine was not heartening, especially among the roughly 75 other women working there.

"At least five girls I haven't seen in a while came up to me and said, 'Savannah, are you working?' " said Stern, who started in the industry four years ago and, like most adult performers, uses a stage name. "I had to say, 'No, not really,' and they all said, 'Yeah, I'm not either.' "

The adult entertainment business, centered in the San Fernando Valley, has weathered several recessions since it took off with the advent of home video in the 1980s. But this time the industry is not dealing with just a weakened economy. A growing abundance of free content on the Internet is undercutting consumers' willingness to pay for porn, and with it the ability of many workers to earn a living in the business.

For Stern, 23, the rapid decline of job opportunities in the porn business over the last year has been dramatic. She has gone from working four or five days a week to one and now has employers pressuring her to do male-female sex scenes for $700, a 30% discount from the $1,000 fee that used to be the industry standard. Less than two years ago, Stern earned close to $150,000 annually, sometimes turned down work and drove a Mercedes-Benz CLK 350. Now she's aggressively reaching out for jobs and making closer to $50,000 a year. As for that Mercedes? She's replacing it with a used Chevy Trailblazer -- from her parents. "The opportunities in this industry really are disappearing," Stern said. "It's extremely stressful."

Industry insiders estimate that since 2007, revenue for most adult production and distribution companies has declined 30% to 50% and the number of new films made has fallen sharply. "We've gone through recessions before, but we've never been hit from every side like this," said Mark Spiegler, head of the Spiegler Girls talent agency, who has worked in porn since 1995. "It's the free stuff that's killing us, and that's not going away," said Dion Jurasso, owner of porn production company Combat Zone, which has seen its business fall about 50% in the last three years.

Porn is hardly the only segment of the media industry struggling with these issues. But its problems appear to be more severe. Whereas online piracy has forced big changes in the music industry and is starting to affect movies and television, it has upended adult entertainment. At least five of the 100 top websites in the U.S. are portals for free pornography, referred to in the industry as "tube sites," according to Internet traffic ranking service Alexa .com. Some of their content is amateur work uploaded by users and some is acquired from cheap back catalogs, but much of it is pirated. Sites like Pornhub, YouPorn and RedTube attract more users than TMZ and the Huffington Post. The porn sites are even bigger than Pirate Bay, the top portal for illegal downloads of movies, TV shows and music. Frustratingly for porn producers and distributors in the Valley, none of these sites appears to be making much money. Suzann Knudsen, a marketing director for PornoTube, said the site's parent, Adult Entertainment Broadcast Network, uses it to attract customers for paid video on demand. "PornoTube isn't a piggy bank," she said. "Its true value is in traffic."

The adult entertainment business, which was previously in the vanguard of home video, satellite and cable television and digital distribution, now finds itself leading the rest of the entertainment industry in losses from them. "The death of the DVD business has been more accelerated in the adult business than mainstream," said Bill Asher, co-chairman of adult industry giant Vivid Entertainment, who estimates that his company's revenue is down more than 20% this year. "We always said that once the Internet took off, we'd be OK," he added. "It never crossed our minds that we'd be competing with people who just give it away for free." There are plenty of other signs of the porn industry's pain. Attendance at the Adult Entertainment Expo, an annual trade show in Las Vegas that's open some days to the public, was down 20% this year. Pay-per-view programming, a key revenue source for the industry, has fallen about 50% from its peak three or four years ago, according to a person familiar with the cable and satellite TV business. Reliable revenue and employment figures for the adult industry don't exist, since no analysts or economists track it. Adult Video News estimated in 2006 that it was worth $13 billion, but Paul Fishbein, editor of the trade publication, said the number was "an educated guess." "Almost all of the companies in our industry are privately held, and they keep the cards close to their chests," said Diane Duke, executive director of the Free Speech Coalition, an industry trade group.

The effects of the downturn have been felt most severely by the thousands of people who work in the adult entertainment business. Kelly Labanco doesn't need industry estimates to know what's happening. The makeup artist, who has worked in porn for five years, is landing half as many jobs as she did a year ago and has seen her pay drop from a high of $250 an hour to less than $100. "A lot of companies say they don't even need makeup artists now and the girls can do it themselves," said Labanco, who has returned to her previous job doing freelance music publicity to pay the bills.

Even the industry's biggest events aren't worth what they used to be for working people like Labanco. Last year, she and a friend did makeup for a week at the Adult Entertainment Expo and earned $8,000. This year: $1,200. Caroline Pierce, an adult film performer who lives in Las Vegas but flies to Los Angeles for work, said many companies have pressured her to do more scenes for less money. "Instead of paying you $800 to do one, they'll pay you $1,200 for both," she explained.

As economic pressures increase, many performers have also changed their minds about what they are willing do on-screen. Previously, women earned hefty bonuses for unusual sex scenes. That's often no longer the case. "A few years ago the girls we got were OK, but not stellar models, and we were sometimes paying $2,500," said porn director Matt Morningwood, referring to a website he shoots for that features one woman and multiple male partners. "Nowadays some of the top-tier models will do that scene for us and you're looking at maybe $1,800. I'm happy for the production, but I feel bad for exploiting the girls' situation." The only growth market most executives see is mobile devices, since they let consumers watch porn anywhere and in relative privacy.[/b] Major companies that serve as a gateway to content on cellphones in the U.S. such as Verizon don't allow explicit adult content. But like cable and satellite companies in the 1990s, they may change their minds when they see the potential profit. "Anyone betting against porn being a meaningful driver of traffic and revenue on mobile networks would be making a bad choice based on history," said Charles Golvin, an analyst at Forrester Research.

Adult performers with big followings probably will continue to prosper, since they often work under a guaranteed contract and have loyal fans who buy all their work. Business managers for Belladonna and Tera Patrick, two of the industry's biggest stars, said their clients were using their celebrity to make money in other ways, like dancing in exotic clubs and licensing their name to sex toys and lingerie. "The economy has forced us to look in other directions such as tangible goods," said Evan Seinfeld, who co-manages Patrick, his wife, and runs her production company, Teravision.

But for the "middle class" of the industry, those opportunities don't exist. "It seems at this point that if you haven't established a well-known name, it's really hard to keep working," performer Alexa Jordan said. Savannah Stern is adjusting to that reality. She's shooting scenes for her own subscription website and planning a tour of exotic dance clubs to earn money from her name while she can. After that, she hopes to go to college for an interior design degree and work in her family's real estate development and contracting business. "I wish I would have never gotten into it," Stern said of her career in porn. "When you get used to a certain lifestyle, it's really hard to cut back and realize this may not be forever."

LeftNutOfGowd
08-10-2009, 05:25 PM
I download porn from FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HyperTek
08-10-2009, 06:02 PM
i thought porn was a recession proof industry lmao..

but yeah, theres tons of free streaming sites now a days i can see why they would be upset.

FaLKoN240
08-10-2009, 06:09 PM
Word. I will never pay.

Someone is paying for it sometime though, I mean who is uploading the streaming content...?

JeremyR
08-10-2009, 09:24 PM
godamn sluts will do anything for a buck!

ronmcdon
08-10-2009, 09:56 PM
I'm kinda surprised it lasted this long to be honest.
With movies, at least it makes sense to watch some stuff at the cinema,
and rent in blu-ray, netflix.
Musicians can always play at shows to make $$$.

Exactly how many ways can porno film-makers make money today?
This is one industry I don't see lasting long.
There's only so much you can do.

I think in the end,
the industry will downscale to very low overhead websites & go very low key.
Maybe have material that cannot be downloaded, DVD's that cannot be copied, etc.
The same will probably eventually occur for other media.
The technology is probably already there.

Porno stars I don't feel too bad about.
There's many ways they can go about continuing to make a lucrative living.

OT - Googled 'Savanna Stern', and I must say some of the chicks in Porno don't look all that appealingn (if not somewhat manly).
Silicone is something I'll never quite understand.

ZenkiKid
08-10-2009, 10:57 PM
The other thing thats killing the industry in my opinion is the subscription websites. They link to many other websites, so it makes me wonder how much do their performers get paid for working those websites when its already cheap to subscribe to them as it is.

theronin
08-10-2009, 11:18 PM
mmmm savannah stern is so hot.

tricky_ab
08-10-2009, 11:33 PM
mmmm savannah stern is so hot.

Really?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3482/3262298470_331c6e1dda.jpg
Turning down work, when you are getting paid $150,000 a year despite looking like Chyna was idiocy.

w0nderbr3ad
08-10-2009, 11:39 PM
I think 3d porn should make an appearance. Then maybe the comic con fans would go apenuts with the 3d glasses.

roninwon
08-10-2009, 11:56 PM
theres a lot of porn stars out there they look like they would be stuck on a corner trying to make a quick buck but no they somehow got into the porn sence and they bitch about only making 50k a year for doing what we all do for free in the bedroom FACKING. who cares if they arent making what they used to and oh poor girl had to give up her mercedes for a trailblazer i wish i could even come close to making 50k+ im in afghanistan been here for almost 10 months and im only pushing 45k and my life is on the line here all they have to put up is that beat up twat

Avante
08-11-2009, 12:01 AM
Really?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3482/3262298470_331c6e1dda.jpg
Turning down work, when you are getting paid $150,000 a year despite looking like Chyna was idiocy.

oh my fucking god.

that' dude is HOT.

wait.

Stern is the chick right?

...errrrr

hey look at the beach ball!

thats cool!

Z33dori
08-11-2009, 12:04 AM
it's porn who give a fuck

maybe they shouldn't whore them selves out for money....

i get thaa shit fo free

adrians_s13
08-11-2009, 12:14 AM
lolz... its only a matter of time till the Porn Industry joins forces with the RIAA.

I wonder whos next to blame the internet...?

TheWolf
08-11-2009, 05:24 AM
but we've never been hit from every side like this,

I find that hard to believe if you've been in the porn industry.

adam s
08-11-2009, 05:59 AM
I find that hard to believe if you've been in the porn industry.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that just made my fucking day!:D

Soup Nazi
08-11-2009, 07:23 AM
Looks like I helped contribute, to the killing...

FRpilot
08-11-2009, 08:11 AM
boohoo. they are not making six-figures for fucking on camera and have to give up their mercedes and live in an apt when thousands of people are starving and have no jobs.

super hot girls will still make money. i'm sure if megan fox started doing porn, you would pay to see if no piracy was involved. but there is just so much porn out there, even by amateurs, that if you aren't super hot, you're just another girl getting fucked on camera. who's going to pay you the big dollars for that?

it's like a carwash business offering a $50/hr job. doesn't take much skills, so you better be great at detailing if you want to beat out the thousands of applicants.

i can't really feel sorry for porn stars. they make big bucks for fucking. get a real job, or prostitute on the streets. getting $1000/scene seems like such a small money already for your dignity, and now they are getting less than half that. i would feel like a complete slut. if you have no talent, you could strip and still make thousands a night rather than whore yourself out.

but i'm not complaining. as guys, we're fortunate that young girls are willing to take off their cloths and fuck for money. if you're a hot girl worth paying for, i'm sure you'll get work. if you look like savannah stern, any amateur girl does that for free on her webcam or fucking video with her bf.

Xbroke_kidX
08-11-2009, 12:08 PM
:gives:
get off your knees and get a normal job ho!!!

VIPDRFT
08-11-2009, 12:39 PM
get a real job, or prostitute on the streets

Wouldn't even have to use the streets. They could just use they're already established websites to advertise it. Whoever already subscribes to the site might be willing to drop some money for a night with their favorite porn star.

exitspeed
08-11-2009, 01:02 PM
Pimps up hoes down. If that bitch can't swim she's bound to drizzown.

I don't care at all. While I like a little girl on girl action here and there, these people are the scum of the Earth and I don't feel bad.

murda-c
08-11-2009, 01:06 PM
Pimps up hoes down. If that bitch can't swim she's bound to drizzown.

I don't care at all. While I like a little girl on girl action here and there, these people are the scum of the Earth and I don't feel bad.

Did you have a bad experience with a porn star?

If you think porn stars are the scum of the earth you should really watch the news every now and then, there are a lot worse people than people who do something that makes people happy for money.

Matej
08-11-2009, 01:12 PM
At least they don't make millions of dollars by exploiting themselves, unlike professional athletes.

HyperTek
08-11-2009, 01:13 PM
ive meet a girl at a club whos done a few porn vids *Soolin Kelter, Jessica Kelter, or Devin Lee , she goes by those 3 screen names but she told me her real name is jessica* lol. didnt talk to her much but she seemed cool, this was like 2 years ago, she said she jus got a gogo dancin gig somewhere in hollywood..

so yeah they are real people, but they just prefer to be objects to make easy money. Not too bright females who someone in their life probably influences em to do it etc. lol

HyperTek
08-11-2009, 01:16 PM
Asa Akira's twitter says
AsaAkira: Guess who's getting a driving(drivers?) permit today?!

gahhh bearly getting a drivers license now? lmao

VIPDRFT
08-11-2009, 01:19 PM
"If you're good at something, never do it for free."
-The Joker

exitspeed
08-11-2009, 01:36 PM
Did you have a bad experience with a porn star?

If you think porn stars are the scum of the earth you should really watch the news every now and then, there are a lot worse people than people who do something that makes people happy for money.

I take that back.

They aren't as bad as rapists and murders, but not exactly my kinda crowd.

LoanShark
08-11-2009, 01:49 PM
<3 redtube and youporn

I saw a vid of some lady sticking a 2 liter sprite bottle up her snatch. It was amazing. You cant get shit like that on dvd.

Brian
08-11-2009, 02:17 PM
<3 redtube and youporn

I saw a vid of some lady sticking a 2 liter sprite bottle up her snatch. It was amazing. You cant get shit like that on dvd.

:snoop: snizzle dizzle

wangan_cruiser
08-11-2009, 02:56 PM
While I like a little girl on girl action here and there




that sounded like a child porn

Bubbles
08-11-2009, 03:51 PM
so yeah they are real people


No they aren't.

murda-c
08-11-2009, 03:56 PM
I'd fuck skanks on camera for 150g a year.

Fuck student loans

Bubbles
08-11-2009, 04:04 PM
10 dudes about 8 inches from you.

Regularly having a swab stuck up your dickhole.

No thanks.

!Zar!
08-11-2009, 04:11 PM
Meh.

I watch porn free.

And when I become an old dirty man I can watch porn on my iphone for free.

Pay for it?

Psch.

I'd sooner revert to 56k and waiting for the 30second clips.

FRpilot
08-11-2009, 04:22 PM
I'd fuck skanks on camera for 150g a year.

Fuck student loans

unless you have a vagina and a set of luscious breast, there's already a line of dudes who would fuck any girl on camera for free.

it's the girls getting paid in the porno business if you're not some famous male stud like peter north or ron jeremy.

guys get paid if they are a director or owner, who pay the girls some small amount (few hundred to a thousand dollars) to fuck and make 20x that back from the video. (probably negotiate to get some action on the side too off camera)

but who knows now, with amateur girls doing it with their bfs and posting it for free on the internet.

adam s
08-11-2009, 05:23 PM
I dated Kacey Jordan for a few months, and the funny thing is I found out after the fact that she did porn lol ^^.

Anyways, that chick didn't have shit, she spent it all on gucci bags and drugs, so I don't know what the big difference is here lol.

!Zar!
08-11-2009, 07:29 PM
You get paid if you are a man and do gay porn.

And Kenny.

How can you forget Lexington Steel!

qt_240
08-11-2009, 08:42 PM
I can't believe i read the whole thing..

I LUV MY S13
08-11-2009, 08:51 PM
im surprised porn is barely taking a hit now...not because of the recess but the internet...im sure porn has been available for free somewhere

!Zar!
08-12-2009, 01:21 AM
I can't believe i read the whole thing..

haha.

I didn't.

I just assumed it has to do with a porn recession.

zenki.life
08-12-2009, 01:26 AM
who cares. stop jerkin.... and go get a real chick, but there may be some of you who really rely on porn, lol

!Zar!
08-12-2009, 03:23 AM
who cares. stop jerkin.... and go get a real chick, but there may be some of you who really rely on porn, lol

Guys still look at porn even if they have a chick.

Be it a super model or a super scrub.

xpertsnowcarver
08-12-2009, 04:02 AM
woot! pornhub.

haha. yea i have a gf too.. sometimes she may want to watch :naughty:

porn industry going down... does anyone really care?? i cared more about the motor x or whatever getting their cars seized and what not.

VIPDRFT
08-12-2009, 06:52 AM
who cares. stop jerkin.... and go get a real chick, but there may be some of you who really rely on porn, lol

Date Rape > Jerkin'. Hahaha!

murda-c
08-12-2009, 07:39 AM
I think there is enough free porn on the internet to last the rest of my life.

I'm not aversed to watching the same video twice.

roninwon
08-12-2009, 09:59 AM
i think the funnest thing is that the guy even tells people what sites offer the free videos

FRpilot
08-12-2009, 10:23 AM
You get paid if you are a man and do gay porn.

True, although i bet there are some guys would do it for free.


And Kenny.

How can you forget Lexington Steel!

i must brush up on my male performers. :ugh:

FRpilot
08-12-2009, 10:27 AM
I think there is enough free porn on the internet to last the rest of my life.


i know some people who have downloaded TB upon TB of porn. have several TB hd filled and d/l for hobby/build their collection. that's like more thousands of hours of video. how do you watch it all?

ravinaziankid
08-12-2009, 10:32 AM
It's time for them to go to the street corners..or maybe get a real freakin job..

Future240
08-12-2009, 10:40 AM
i know some people who have downloaded TB upon TB of porn. have several TB hd filled and d/l for hobby/build their collection. that's like more thousands of hours of video. how do you watch it all?

Got damn, that is ridiculous. But

Pornstars are losing money, boo fucking hoo. I find it funny how the guy said he doesn't want to exploit the girl's money situations, as if pron is exploitation to begin with.

silly_13
08-12-2009, 03:06 PM
amateur porn FTMFW!!!! /b/

tired of those fake moans and dialogs...but the dialogs are funny thou.. but still real homemade porn is better!...

shinmei-2006
08-15-2009, 09:14 AM
ive meet a girl at a club whos done a few porn vids *Soolin Kelter, Jessica Kelter, or Devin Lee , she goes by those 3 screen names but she told me her real name is jessica* lol. didnt talk to her much but she seemed cool, this was like 2 years ago, she said she jus got a gogo dancin gig somewhere in hollywood..

so yeah they are real people, but they just prefer to be objects to make easy money. Not too bright females who someone in their life probably influences em to do it etc. lol

that chick was hot as fuck too...

ixfxi
08-15-2009, 10:05 AM
"baby................ sex is like puttin money in the bank

.....once you take it out, the interest is ALL gone"
- Dolemite aka Rudy Ray Moore, RIP


well, its a shame to say it but i think porn actors and actresses need to realize that their profession, LIKE ALL PROFESSIONS, are vulnerable to things like recession and decline. This is why NO ONE is excluded from having to stay sharp and learn a variety of skills to keep them valuable throughout their lifetime.

In a rough way of saying it, these bitches need to learn that you cant just make money with your twat.. and these guys need to use something other than their dillznack to make money. You're expecting that each and every day there will be jobs for you, big paying jobs that will fulfill your lifestyle of consumption, buying useless shit like leased mercedes clk or bullshit overpriced gucci bags.

i live here in the valley and too many people have it good, too many materialistic fucks buying useless shit.

support free porn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! imo, sex should always be free

ronmcdon
08-15-2009, 08:01 PM
Come on.
Of course ladies can make $$$ with their 'such & such'.
That's always been the case in history.

Just because one outlet is in lower demand, there has been and always will be others.
Marriage 'can' be one of them.
You should know, with all the 'air-head' trophy wives bumbling about in their Lexus SUV's here in Los Angeles.

Not condemning anyone here.
Just stating observations.
If anything, the real morons are the guys who throw away their money.

About porn, I think it'll survive.
It's just that the costs have to be adjusted to more realistic levels.

Hail Dolemite!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolemite
http://www.zzzlist.com/celebs/Features/Dolemite/RRMAintNoWhiteChristmas.jpg

Akiros
08-16-2009, 08:45 PM
Time for a porn bailout.

SimpleS14
08-17-2009, 09:44 PM
i know some people who have downloaded TB upon TB of porn. have several TB hd filled and d/l for hobby/build their collection. that's like more thousands of hours of video. how do you watch it all?

Nah, you don't watch it all...you skip to the best scenes. :keke:

TB of porn is excessive...even HQ stuff....

ixfxi
08-18-2009, 11:08 AM
it's the girls getting paid in the porno business if you're not some famous male stud like peter north or ron jeremy.

not sure if you knew, but peter north had to suck quite a few dicks before he became famous in the straight-porn industry.


I dated Kacey Jordan for a few months, and the funny thing is I found out after the fact that she did porn lol ^^.

lucky guy.. hope you got a checkup from the dickup

btw, i didnt know who she is/was but a quick search found one of her videos, i love the fuckin comments.... hilarious!
- looks like someone threw a couple m80s in that thing

hahaha


who cares. stop jerkin.... and go get a real chick, but there may be some of you who really rely on porn, lol
Guys still look at porn even if they have a chick.
Be it a super model or a super scrub.

Yup. I love how noobs think once you land a girlfriend or wife that its over. Like, all of a sudden you have no urge to conquer more chicks? If I had two women, I'de want three. If I had 10, I'de want 20. Its like a car collection, there is no limit to how many types of women I'de love in my stable.


True, although i bet there are some guys would do it for free.

not when you take into account the risk of catching some shit. you guys need to watch Boogie Nights and learn a bit about what the industry is like

drift freaq
08-18-2009, 11:30 AM
not sure if you knew, but peter north had to suck quite a few dicks before he became famous in the straight-porn industry.

LOL we met this guy back in the day at Ctune. He has a Twin Turbo Z, it was really hard to stand there and talk to the man realizing he has had over 3k women as well as some men(you just wanted to bust out laughing). Though he acted like a completely normal person.

It was totally surreal. Oh and have you ever stopped to wonder about doing that many people? Its like your drinking a glass of water. I am sure that it totally takes the passion and emotion that would even be connected to regular lust right out.

Kinda like, yawn... its time to screw another person, "well lets get this done guys , there is a show on TV I want to go watch".





Yup. I love how noobs think once you land a girlfriend or wife that its over. Like, all of a sudden you have no urge to conquer more chicks? If I had two women, I'de want three. If I had 10, I'de want 20. Its like a car collection, there is no limit to how many types of women I'de love in my stable.



Hahahaha Mike and his Harem. LOL Sheik he be.