Headlights question

[HaLo]

http://www.autoimaging.com/all%20round/180_01.jpg

I know Autoimaging used to sell these. I've asked them the question too, but I thought I could ask it here too. Do any of you know the manufacturer of these headlights?

Please don't start telling me clearcorners does the modification because I'm too far from California to bring my car and get the modification done. :(

I am really into them...

[crioten]

dam those look soooper shexy...they look great on the white hb, are they hid or what?...wish i had money for em :)

[HaLo]

Wish I knew who made them! :rolleyes:

[HaLo]

Forget it. Autoimaging just told me that the business went bankrupt. No way to get these. :(

The company was All Round.

[CoasTek240]

just for the info... was the company ABflug? i've seen them around cool. I'm pretty sure you can still get the ones drifting ricer has.. heres a pic

[HaLo]

Actually, I can't get them because Clearcorners only install their kits. They don't want to ship them and going to California is not an option for me. :(

And the company was All Round, not ABflug.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by CoasTek240
just for the info... was the company ABflug? i've seen them around cool. I'm pretty sure you can still get the ones drifting ricer has.. heres a pic

that's JDMRice!
drifting ricer???? sigh....

[Rennen]

If you dont want to pay for clear corner's, and if you arent a whore to JDM bling, dont spend all that cash, just make your own. you need lights:

http://www.susquehanna.com/susq/hella/headlamp.htm#90mm

and some sort of bracket like to hold the lights and let you align them something like this: (yes I know those are non pop ups, its just a general idea)

http://www.midtennmiata.com/round_headlights.htm

then all you need to do is shorten the rod on your headlights and you have some pimp headlights for a fraction of the cost

This was the first thing I wanted to do to the 240, because its stock lighting sucked, but opted instead for some $40 foglights cause im poor

-Matt

[AuburnRyan]

The AB-FLUG conversion is square lights. The pictures are of the EAST BEAR Kit....available lots of places! Start Here:

http://www.phase2motortrend.com/s1easbearwag.html

OOPS...Didn't look good at the picture! THESE AR NOT THE EAST BEAR KIT...Check out miata.net or similar..I know Brainstorm Products and soem others sell kits like these for the miata for....get this...like $300

[misnomer]

I don't think it would be as simple as shortenning the popup rod. Figure with a shorter rod, the light would be forced down further when it's closed. Will the motors stop pulling on their own or will they need to be relocated?

Something one of us DIYers might want to poke around at :-)

[Rennen]

I don't think it would be as simple as shortenning the popup rod. Figure with a shorter rod, the light would be forced down further when it's closed. Will the motors stop pulling on their own or will they need to be relocated?


dammit, Nissan defeats me again.

OK, this cant be too hard. what do the headlight motors look like?

I will just assume they operate something like the drawing:D cut the lifting rod. drill a hole in the middle of the rod, put a second rod in that hole. put a stopper somewhere on that second rod so your headlights open up to the desired height. then to ensure they dont fly off, put a spring on the rod to keep them from flying off

pic:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/p60f715be27127ca5a5a71c461879b36e/fc48df99.jpg

DISCLAIMER: I have no idea what the real lights look like, im just guessing

tell me if this makes any sense

-Matt

[boro240]

raretrick sells them for $675
http://www.raretrick.com/index1.asp?cat=1&Page=1&Display=Yes&Back=Listings&ProductsID=4847

[HaLo]

Rennen:

Thanks a lot! I'll look into it. The other option is to install the Pivot headlight controller to get them the height you want.

boro240:
I hope they still have them in stock!!! Thanks a lot to you too! :)

[Rennen]

on sale for $675! what a deal! :rolleyes:

The lights and connectors cost $250, for if it was my money(and its not, I only have like 200 in my savings account) I would put the other $425 towards some R&D to make these things fit. sheet metal isnt that expensive. ;)

-Matt

[HaLo]

Originally posted by Rennen
on sale for $675! what a deal! :rolleyes:

The lights and connectors cost $250, for if it was my money(and its not, I only have like 200 in my savings account) I would put the other $425 towards some R&D to make these things fit. sheet metal isnt that expensive. ;)

-Matt

Matt, I think I'll go your way. It may take more time, but it's waaaaay cheaper!!!

[jsr20det]

best i've seen'em so far was this pic
http://home.earthlink.net/~jgoo3030/images/3.JPG
I hope someone would make these again =]

[kandyflip445]

Originally posted by jsr20det
best i've seen'em so far was this pic
http://home.earthlink.net/~jgoo3030/images/3.JPG
I hope someone would make these again =]


Is it just me or is that the clearcorners.com conversion.....:rolleyes:


EDIT: I was right....It is...and it cost over $1000......:rolleyes:

[crioten]

but...but....omg those are SO SO SO SO SO nice, i can only dream about them for $1000

[HaLo]

Well, thanks to Rennen, I ordered 2 hi beams and 2 low-beams and I ordered the Pivot Headlight controller. I'm getting it done myself. I'll start the project as soon as I get them. I'll keep you all posted! :)

[Rennen]

Good decision, now you can get new tires or something with all the money you saved.

I'm not entirely convinced that the pivot controller will be stable enough for headlights. I had my headlights "sleepy" for a while by the fuse pull method, and the passenger side one would bounce around in 70mph wind.

Keep us updated on your progress and feel free to bounce some ideas off me. Gimme a while and I will find all the links from when I was going to attempt this. Search freshalloy, Mike from Clearcorners gave alot of good info on a bunch of threads.

-Matt

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by kandyflip445
Is it just me or is that the clearcorners.com conversion.....:rolleyes:


EDIT: I was right....It is...and it cost over $1000......:rolleyes:


ehy the rolling eyes? ive you seen them in person you know its top quality. if you driven in front of it you know its f'in bright and if youve ridden or drove behind it you know the beam pattern is great.

if you've met mike you'd know he's cool as hell.

[hookedup240]

Originally posted by jsr20det
best i've seen'em so far was this pic
http://home.earthlink.net/~jgoo3030/images/3.JPG
I hope someone would make these again =]

I wish i had an extra $1000 sitting around. Those lights are so damn nice.

[HaLo]

Rennen:

I already have good tires. ;) You sure about the Pivot controller? Anyways, we'll see. If people can track the car with sleepy headlight, I think it will be okay for highway driving. Worst comes to worst, I can also try getting the rod shorter or something similar. Anyways, I'll keep you guys posted like I said. ;)


Dousan:
I don't doubt the kit is high quality but I can't get my car in California to get it done. I'm like 3000 miles away! :(

[Dousan_PG]

oh yeah i know..sucks its in house only.

i was referring to "mr/s roll eyes" kandyflip445

[kandyflip445]

I put the rolling eyes because he said that he wishes that someone would make them again when they do make them. The other rollin eyes was for it being so damn much and thinking of Halo driving down to get it done and STILL paying that much. I didn't mean anything about the quality of their products. I'm sure for the price they are VERY GOOD. But you still have to admit that they are expensive. I'm also sure that the ppl are good or they could not keep customers. No need to get your panties in a bunch dousan36.:rolleyes: :p

EDIT: Oh...and I am also thinking of actually buying those and a CF hood and stuff instead of getting a s15 front end.:D

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by kandyflip445
I put the rolling eyes because he said that he wishes that someone would make them again when they do make them. The other rollin eyes was for it being so damn much and thinking of Halo driving down to get it done and STILL paying that much. I didn't mean anything about the quality of their products. I'm sure for the price they are VERY GOOD. But you still have to admit that they are expensive. I'm also sure that the ppl are good or they could not keep customers. No need to get your panties in a bunch dousan36.:rolleyes: :p

EDIT: Oh...and I am also thinking of actually buying those and a CF hood and stuff instead of getting a s15 front end.:D


sorry i dont wear panties. but if you bunch yours dont tell me about it, im not that kind of guy.

buying them huH? driving out to california? i c.
i can make my own im just lazy..oh well.

[HaLo]

Originally posted by dousan36

i can make my own im just lazy..oh well.

I'm taking that route. And it's very cheap compared to the prices advertised. I just hope that I can make some good brackets. :)

[radhaz]

Rennen, thank you for posting those links.

My 240sx is the second car I've had with pop-up lights and I've been looking for a lowcost DIY project to place stationary lights in the "sockets".

I found the eastbear conversion pretty quick when I started searching around. The conversions were pretty much spot on for what I was looking for except for two things
1) Price tag, ouch
2) No cover (mind you covers are in the works now)

I had/have no preference as to whether the lights were low profile rectangles or two globes I just wanted to be able to have accurate beams, adequate lighting (high and lows), and covers to reduce drag/protect the lights.

I have been fooling around with plans on getting a metal "frame" fabricated to hold the lights however I couldn't find any good photo's/choices of lights to buy or at least measure. The one thing now that is holding me up is a way to cover the lights that sits relatively flush with the body and doesnt look ghetto as hell.

Below is the diagram in progress (very similar to the miata conversion)

http://members.cox.net/radhazzone/240sx/lights/diag_full.gif

And a better idea of what I'm stuck at is here
http://members.cox.net/radhazzone/240sx/lights/diag_side.gif

The problem isn't how to attach the plexi (theres several options and the cleanest by far would be to make a "lip/groove" underneath the brown edges. The problem is at the base/front of the light where it is curved, I can't think of a way outside of fiberglass to make a smooth curved shape that could come up and over.

I realize this is a lot of typing etc and these are really just ideas in my head, if they're muddled or hard to understand feel free to ask me questions as I could really use some help here.

The benefit is that if one of us succeeds in making a DIY base for these lights and simply posts an accurate BP (blueprint) any of us could go to a local machine shop (or tech school if your a real cheap bastige) and have the bracket/frame manafactuared pretty easily.

I look forward to the feedback

[Rennen]

Very good plan radhaz.

The maita place makes 2 low end kits that dont have the hella projectors.

http://www.midtennmiata.com/glow_headlights.htm

and
http://www.midtennmiata.com/square_headlights.htm

If you look at those pages you will notice that their kit isnt exactly water tight, it is open on the sides
http://www.midtennmiata.com/images/mtr-hoodup.jpg

The way they attach thiers is to run weatherstripping lookin stuff along 2 of the edges and have dowel rods inserted in the weather stripping, then the dowels are attached to the headlight bracket
http://www.midtennmiata.com/images/coverlatchassy.jpg

you can see where they attach here
http://www.midtennmiata.com/images/rsidenocover-400.jpg

Hope this helps

I'm personally not a big fan of the flush headlights on a 240 or I might have tried this by now with some aux driving lights

Edit: they address alot of these points on thier FAQ http://www.midtennmiata.com/faq.htm If I were you I would shoot them an email and say you are attempting a similar kit for the 240SX and see if they have any advice [email protected]

-Matt

[radhaz]

/smacks self in forehead...

Once again thanks rennen, I can't believe I didn't search a little more on that guys site.

There was a lot of great info to be had, particularly in how simple there designs are. I'm going to take your advice and drop him a line and try to get some info on the best way to get the acrylic cut/shaped to fit, and adhered to the enclosure.

Admittedly I like the output of those hella's; however, I think I will try the rectangles out first and if the first project doesn't prove too daunting perhaps I will springboard on to do the hellas later.

Regardless I'll keep you guys posted when I get more info on this/start the project depending on cost I may start this next weekend.

[Rennen]

No prob, this is what message boards were made for, not talking about which JDM body kit is mad tyte.

Just like most projects this one may not be as easy as it seems. Miatas have the luxury of having thier headlights realitively flat. This makes it easy to just attach a sheet of plexi glas or plastic or whatever that is shaped to fit. However, the front of MY 240 has a fairly sharp curve right at the bottom of the headlight.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid60/pab383cdeb93ab3858183a0349f9c0c73/fc44adbe.jpg

The easiest solution would be to make a piece of wood that just fits under your headlight cover, then take a piece of plastic, heat it and bend it over the mold.

If you have ever looked at glass or clear plastic that has a curve to it, it kinda distorts the image you see behind it. Now this curved section is directly in front of you lights, it may or may not distort of diffuse your lights.

Just a thought, good luck with your project

-Matt

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally posted by dousan36
if you've met mike you'd know he's cool as hell.

....and he's finally driving a stick instead of a Mikeomatic.

[HaLo]

I ordered my projectors to start my in-house conversion. I'm starting it on Monday! :)

[radhaz]

Well I emailed [email protected] but the email got bounced back by the mail daemon :(

As for getting the acrylic shaped the best idea I've come up with so far is to find a shop that can shape the acrylic based on templates. I can use some parted out headlight covers as templates to turn over to them; however, if I can't get a better idea of how to affix the acrylic then its all moot.

It's just a matter of time before I find something that works though

[MNR-Chicago_S13]

Reminds me of the eastbear $500 headlights, or the Abflug $1000 headlights, but both of these are not pop ups, they are fixed, duel bul hid's

[andrave]

Hey just so you guys know that there are other alternatives to getting pright, well patterned light, I got some gl*** H4 conversion kits and some 90/100 watt golden bulbs from japan and my headlights have been improved like 10000 times over stock sealed beam. the conversions were 35 shipped, the bulbs were 35 shipped, so for 70 bucks I have much improved lights.

its not as cool as those ones though, but I like it all the same.

[huntz0r]

Or if you want to get really nutty, you get some Xenarcs (http://www.sylvania.com/xenarc/x60246054.htm).

That is some yummy lighting, if not quite as yummy as the clearcorners low-profile HID setup... but it's also "only" $430.

[HaLo]

Originally posted by huntz0r
Or if you want to get really nutty, you get some Xenarcs (http://www.sylvania.com/xenarc/x60246054.htm).

That is some yummy lighting, if not quite as yummy as the clearcorners low-profile HID setup... but it's also "only" $430.

I got my own ClearCorners look alike setup for much less... haven't you followed my other thread? ;)