New Stuff!

[theronin]

Just got them today... will install them tomorrow morning! Boo yeah!http://home.attbi.com/~theronin/wsb/media/164542/site1027.jpg :D

[zspturbo]

nice stuff.

[DRFT]

Looks nice :cool:

But what are they and what do they do?

I see your from Sacramento also :cool: you going to the NorCal meet?

[theronin]

email me man... i want to start a sacramento 240 club... you want in on it? [email protected]

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by DRFT
Looks nice :cool:

But what are they and what do they do?

I see your from Sacramento also :cool: you going to the NorCal meet?

They are TC Rod bushings.. Whiteline, more specifically. They firm up the front end a lot.
The install is a bitch.. have fun!
-Jeff

[ghosts14]

Hey, they look just like mine, I just got them as well. I can't seem to install them though. I have called a hand full of places around here to get them pressed into the TC Rods I have laying around.
Every place I have called so far are like what the hell are TC rods.

Can you press them in yourself? and do they go by a different name that will be more familiar to mechanics? and can you get the old bushings out yourself?

[mrmephistopheles]

tension rods or... maybe panhard rods?

[theronin]

ive heard them called strut rods... on toyotas i think... try that when you talk to the shops!

[Dousan_PG]

doesnt harbor freight sell CHEAP presses to do it yourself????

like 15 bucks
i know its a cheap tool until you get into the hydrolic stuff it gets price.

check harbor freight online

[240Stilo]

The cheapest harbor freight press I found was a 4 ton press (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=2457) for 60 bucks.

[Jeff240sx]

I used a 2.75" socket (1" drive) on the tc rod, and a 2.25" socket (1" drive) and placed it on the metal collar inside the TC rod.
Then.. a sledge hammer.
To press it in, I used a couple pieces of 2x4 on a vice.
It sucked.
-Jeff

[theronin]

after reading that i may crack an LCA i think im gonna ditch these and go with some that have spherical bushings... anyone wanna buy some whiteline tc rod bushings from me? sell cheap!

[240Stilo]

Haha. Jeezus Jeff, I can imagine if i tried that i would have sockets flying out and breaking my teeth. I got my poly bushings coming in tomorrow but hopefully I can find a better way, where i don't harm myself.;) :D

[NiteKids]

Any reason you didn't just buy a set of adjustible tension rods from project silvia, battle version, tein, JIC, kazama, east best.. etc?

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by NiteKids
Any reason you didn't just buy a set of adjustible tension rods from project silvia, battle version, tein, JIC, kazama, east best.. etc?
$40 vs. $140
Good enough reason for me!
-Jeff

[deviousKA]

do the whitelines not have metal sleeves like stock? i see they are flared on the ends must be what holds them in. i would imagine these are a pita to press back in unless they are softer than i think. im considering buying these, are the energy suspension the same? yeah they are easy to get out with a press

[theronin]

ugh nitekids... i didnt want to replace somethign that wasnt broken... however if i install these.. i could break something, so now i know, and knowings half the battle! i got a line on some for 155 shipped adj with spherical bushings does taht sound compareable to the others?

[NiteKids]

Originally posted by Jeff240sx
$40 vs. $140
Good enough reason for me!
-Jeff

Been a long time since I laughed outloud from a message board

[theronin]

jeff thats what i thought too... then i actually looked at the adj ones with the spherical bearings.... enough said http://www.splparts.com/Silvia/Suspension/SPLTensionRods.jpg



oh and nitekids... be nice to them... we are all learning together. i just happen to be the one who has to go through the biotch of returning these!

[240Stilo]

Originally posted by devious
im considering buying these, are the energy suspension the same?

Well both are polyeurethane. I guess you could go with whichever company you prefer or whatever you find cheaper.

theronin - I see them and still don't want them.:p

[theronin]

you poor poor man!:D

[DuffMan]

Originally posted by devious
do the whitelines not have metal sleeves like stock? i see they are flared on the ends must be what holds them in. i would imagine these are a pita to press back in unless they are softer than i think. im considering buying these, are the energy suspension the same? yeah they are easy to get out with a press

Whitelines have a metal sleeve. Also whiteline has 2 different ones, one that increases castor and one that does not. The energy suspension one i dont think affects castor.

[theronin]

Thanks for all the help and input guys however i just got in on the group buy for the Kazama rods and so these are of no use to me.


If anyone wants to buy my old tc rods witht the whiteline bushings pressed in i would be willing to press them and ship them to ya. just drop me a line and let me know! Logan

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by theronin
after reading that i may crack an LCA i think im gonna ditch these and go with some that have spherical bushings... anyone wanna buy some whiteline tc rod bushings from me? sell cheap!

How the hell would having a poly bushing crack your LCA? If your talking about stress from hitting a pot hole or something, a spherical bearing is going to put a LOT more stress on that LCA than a poly bushing.

[theronin]

sorry to burst your bubble but here:

read the article that white 240sx posted

FYI: Must read for Poly bushing owners. Proceed at your own risk.

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB27&Number=67370915&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=1&fpart=1

[sykikchimp]

the "Click here" link doesn't work..

I want to read it!! arg.. it makes no sense to me.

[AKADriver]

It doesn't work for me, either, but judging by later conversation in that thread I get some idea of the problem.

Think about the way the LCA moves versus the way the TC rod is mounted. The LCA will want to move in an arc around the LCA bushing. The TC rod bushing is at an approx. 45 degree angle to this motion. As the LCA moves through its arc, it'll try to flex the TC rod bushing around an axis perpendicular to its normal motion and the TC rod itself. This is no problem with the stock gel bushing, and if you put a spherical bushing there it's also free to move that way. But with a hard poly bushing, it won't be able to flex that way as much... which could either damage the bushing or damage the suspension, especially if the car's lowered enough that the LCA is beyond level with the ground (and therefore twisting the TC rod bushing) when the car is at rest.

I've heard of complaints about this situation before... someone on the amarok.org list mentioned that his car's ride quality was actually WORSE with poly TC rod bushings instead of pillowball, for the reason I mentioned; the twisting of the TC rod bushing was causing an increase in effective spring rate up front.

[sykikchimp]

thats weird.. so your saying the Poly bushings are not moving freely on the bolt and are binding? ?

[AKADriver]

The poly bushings can move freely around their one axis (around the bolt).

But ideally the bushing needs to move freely in TWO axes. Around the bolt, and perpendicular to the bolt and to the rod itself.

[HaLo]

Pardon my ignorance but what does LCA stand for?

I got the same rods with bushings and I don't want to install them if something else breaks.

[DuffMan]

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB21&Number=67364945&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

[AKADriver]

Neat, I was right!

[DuffMan]

I wonder if the bushings that whiteline sells for their handling/works package have the same problem. The ones that pdm sells are the stock replacement ones, maybe they designed their other version with lowering in mind.

Maybe I should email whiteline and see what they say.

[HaLo]

Hmm. Thanks a lot. Won't be installing those t/c rods with pressed-in bushings soon.

[theronin]

just go to group buys and get in on the kazama gb. i did and they shall be here in a while!!!!!

[deviousKA]

i have never heard this poly issuse discussed before. it would be nice see if there is binding of the bushing (install in car with no struts and check the movement). where exactly are these control arms cracking? i like the poly bushing for the price. i dont think this will change my mind

[knightrider]

jus to answer the person that asked, lca is lower control arm

[theronin]

Originally posted by devious
i have never heard this poly issuse discussed before. it would be nice see if there is binding of the bushing (install in car with no struts and check the movement). where exactly are these control arms cracking? i like the poly bushing for the price. i dont think this will change my mind

Then you wanna buy these brand new whiteline bushings i got? email me if ya want em.. [email protected] make ya a deal!

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by devious
i have never heard this poly issuse discussed before. it would be nice see if there is binding of the bushing (install in car with no struts and check the movement). where exactly are these control arms cracking? i like the poly bushing for the price. i dont think this will change my mind

They're cracking at the holes where the TC rod mounts.