Oakland legalized and taxed marijuana?

[drftmark]

I am not in Cali, but I heard this on the radio today. Saying it passed by 80%.
Details anyone who knows more about it?

Oakland to tax marijuana to fill budget shortfall - Stocks & economy- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32083228/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/)

[I LUV MY S13]

oakland here i come

[BustedS13]

they're just upping the tax on dispensaries.
hopefully this keeps moving in that direction, though. i guess. i dunno. legal marijuana would be great for the country, no lie, but it kind of takes away from the mystique. i guess. i dunno.
yay

[TiNMAN]

bess buleev!!


already passed, but will not go into effect until new years day

1.8% tax

4 legit dispensaries in the town



not completely LEGALIZED. the only way its going to be legal in CA is if they change federal law.

medical MJ has been legal

[drftmark]

Ya, but this is pretty cool if they keep putting this stuff in the media to get peoples attention.

[BTP]

oakland here i come
^^^^what he said.


my fried just came from oakland. he was telling me how he was walking down the street smoking a joint.man i want to move to cali so bad.:o

[Brian]

I wish to HELL that we would legalize Marijuana.

I don't use it. No desire to.


However, I think it would be a GREAT move by the government.
We have booze. What's the difference?

[TiNMAN]

its only a matter of time...

i think MR.O would do it

the projected figures are pretty hard to ignore

[zenki.life]

well see how the quality of state mj is.

[allntrlundrgrnd]

its only a matter of time...

i think MR.O would do it

the projected figures are pretty hard to ignore


Not to mention the amount of people we would avoid putting into the prison system.

[drftmark]

Not to mention the amount of people we would avoid putting into the prison system.

exactly^ it is to bad obama laughed legalize it off

[ronmcdon]

This is a step in the right direction.
(can't be worse than cigarettes, really).
Now they just need to legalize another thing, and it could be the next Amsterdam.
Income from tourism would definitely help
I don't see an additional $300k/annual for a city like Oak alone being much.

[ixfxi]

i dunno guys........ ide leave shit like this strictly to the professionals





i vote to let too $hort decide and set the law.


shit, if he was successful enough to sell his tapes out the back of his car, he should be more than capable to determine the outcome of this (very) sensitive subject. afterall, hes double/triple platinum........ at the playas club

too $hort & rappin 4'tay for president and vice president, respectively. keepin the oaktown alive and representin the bay areaaaaaaa.


edit: lets not forget E-fonzerelli

[drftmark]

man i have no idea what you just said

but, it already has been settled by the professionals. Nixon is the one who went against their decision.

three separate research groups, featuring some of the world’s leading legal, medical, and scientific specialists, recommended relaxing sanctions against marijuana. Nixon however, did not take a liking to this and publicized his personal views. Nixon said, “I am against legalizing marijuana. Even if the commission does recommend that it be legalized, I will not follow that recommendation.” Later on he elaborated with this, “I can see no social or moral justification whatever for legalizing marijuana. I think it would be exactly the wrong step. It would simply encourage more and more of our young people to start down the long, dismal road that leads to hard drugs and eventually self-destruction.” (Gerber 24). Nixon was outraged that his commission had backfired on him. He called them, “Soft-headed psychiatrists, who are on the stuff themselves.”

[BTP]

man if they legalized pot we America would be a better place, and the economy would be in better shape it has been proven.

[I LUV MY S13]

I wish to HELL that we would legalize Marijuana.

I don't use it. No desire to.


However, I think it would be a GREAT move by the government.
We have booze. What's the difference?


i think that legalizing it would be kinda sendin a message to kids that drugs are ok? maybe? idk...but then if its leglized

wat happens to all those convicted of marijuana related crimes

[drftmark]

what happened to the ones during the alcohol prohibition? I guess the same thing.

[!Zar!]

i think that legalizing it would be kinda sendin a message to kids that drugs are ok? maybe? idk...but then if its leglized

wat happens to all those convicted of marijuana related crimes

Yeah.

It's bad to be a druggy.

But it's ok to be an alcoholic?

[SaintlyCharBoy]

If something is illegal, and you do it anyway, you are breaking the law at that time. If the law changes later, you still broke the law and are to be held accountable for your actions at the time.

so, you'll probably just get out faster for "good behavior"

[I LUV MY S13]

very true^^

but seriously if bud were to be legalized..wat happens to marijuana related convictions

[BTP]

It's bad to be a POThead.

But it's ok to be an alcoholic?



*FIXED:snoop:

[ronmcdon]

very true^^

but seriously if bud were to be legalized..wat happens to marijuana related convictions

among consumers of MJ, there would probably be less trials & convictions.
governments would save $$$ in litigation, jail/prison costs.

[I LUV MY S13]

wat about those already doing time? or that have it on their record frm the past?

my cousin did 16months for posession with intent to sell and cant really find a job now..

he fucked up man

[Fries]

The issue with legalizing it is the amount of Gov't jobs that would be lost.
Think about it.

8/10 cases that go to court dealing with drugs have to do with pot.

That means there will be less trials, less convictions and less officers needing to find the pot smokers/dealers.

In a perfect world we would find the people doing the hard shit killing themselves and ruining lives, but the world isn't perfect is it?

Why would the Gov't pass a law to help stimulate the economy when in the end it would put more people out of jobs?

Just sayin'.

[I LUV MY S13]

good point^^

[Souljahzs13]

oakland here i come

I'm actually gonna cruising up there for the weekend haha I guess I will be buying a few souvenirs lol

[!Zar!]

wat about those already doing time? or that have it on their record frm the past?

my cousin did 16months for posession with intent to sell and cant really find a job now..

he fucked up man
Nothing changed. Laws don't change the past. Only the present and future.

He broke the laws at that time and has to deal with the problems and sentence he was dealt at that time.

I know damn sure if possession laws were made harder that people wouldn't be happy if their sentence was made longer.

The issue with legalizing it is the amount of Gov't jobs that would be lost.
Think about it.

8/10 cases that go to court dealing with drugs have to do with pot.

That means there will be less trials, less convictions and less officers needing to find the pot smokers/dealers.

In a perfect world we would find the people doing the hard shit killing themselves and ruining lives, but the world isn't perfect is it?

Why would the Gov't pass a law to help stimulate the economy when in the end it would put more people out of jobs?

Just sayin'.

No it doesn't.

How about the fact that most already have too much on their plate.

This gives the government officials a chance to focus on everything they are missing and give more attention to the problems that they are currently handling.

Cops don't really care about possession that much in the lower end areas.

They are interested in catching the sellers.

[Fries]

I'll agree to disagree with you on that Zar, I like the outlook.

I think that in the end they should actually make it legal.

[I LUV MY S13]

I'm actually gonna cruising up there for the weekend haha I guess I will be buying a few souvenirs lol


haha bring me back a "t-shirt"

[ayuaddict]

now they can catch all those punk kids with illegally modified cars.

sounds like a plan to me.

[ronmcdon]

You also might consider new jobs will be created out of legalizing such a highly sought after substance.
it would be a whole new profitable industry.
also good for tourism in Oakland, if that's the first city to go lax on it.
They're already dispensing it in cafe's.
I can almost see it being sold via tobacco corporations in the near future.

Shifting of job markets due to a shift in economical/social circumstances is nothing new

[I LUV MY S13]

i think it would be better to legalize..

less prisoners frees up money, another product that will most likely get heavily taxed,like stated above would also open up other jobs

[josephin510]

You could always smoke weed in the TOWN and the cops wouldnt mess with you in the O they know theres way more they could be doing.

[Future240]

I wish to HELL that we would legalize Marijuana.

I don't use it. No desire to.
However, I think it would be a GREAT move by the government.
We have booze. What's the difference?

Tax revenue ftw. People would line up in droves to buy it. This would also stop those wasted tax dollars spent, every time a person is arrested for Marijuana possession, dealing etc.

[S-Nation S13]

LOL i laugh at that when i heard it yesterday as well i live in cali im like if they can legalize the chronic hm..why not legalize an sr?? hehe (o_0)!!

[blueshark123]

LOL i laugh at that when i heard it yesterday as well i live in cali im like if they can legalize the chronic hm..why not legalize an sr?? hehe (o_0)!!

weed doesnt kill people sr's do lmao

[Future240]

weed doesnt kill people sr's do lmao

Sr's dont kill people, shitty parts do.

[cserrano86]

Since supply is overwhelming the value will most likely decrease. So I doubt there would be any profit in taxing it unless its a ridiculous percentage or high property tax for shops selling the stuff. Which then would make it a not so profitable business... which would lead to people selling it illegally OR sell it for a much higher price which is bad news for you smokers out there isnt it?... Lol.

Either way, the government will screw you over and you'll end up bitching about how unfair the system is...

The end.

[HyperTek]

i hope you guys are right and people are responsible with it. would hate to see auto related accidents because people are "GONE" lol than laws would be introduced against it, more checkpoints etc..

[Brian]

^^^^

How is it ANY different than alcohol?

People drink and drive. Then they kill or die.
Alcohol is still legal last time I checked (as of yesterday).



The way I look at it, if it was legalized, you would probably capture all those who smoke it currently. In addition you would capture a number of people who might be "on the fence" with it currently because they might not want to risk smoking something illegal.

[HyperTek]

oh i have no problem with it. just hope people are responsible for their actions.

[ixfxi]

fuck legalizing weed


i dont puff, so i dont give a fuck... cigarettes or weed.. its all bullshit. i'm actually glad now that in burbank they've started being more strict with smoking in general, you cant smoke 10 feet near an entrance to a building. good.. go fuckin smoke somewhere else.


i hate coffee, cigarettes, any of this patch-fix shit people need to get their day going. besides, its not like people arent already loaded up on medications... just another fancy name for their day to day substances. happy anti-depressant pills n shit.. all a fuckin waste of time to keep people coming back and back and back


bunch of fuckin zombies. the other day i was driving and i tell my wife "gaddamn i smell weed" and these 2 brothas look over at me in their `01 impala........ haha fuckin shit... tokin while rolling.. gotta love it.


i mean look, people are gonna do whatever_the_fuck they wanna do. i have a friend who blazes in his car, gets drunk, goes racing.. i mean its completely stupid. i dont bother trying to change the guy, because hes just crazy like that.. he'll have to learn his own lessons and unfortunately, it will probably be at the expense of some other unfortunate people


funny, i think this post might piss off some of the weaksauce weed enthusiasts who proudly wear their mainstream "legalize marajuana" tee-shirts... but in reality, i think we all know that if you love something.. you'll do it regardless if its legal or not. fuckers wear their shirts to be cool and trendy, no other reason. shit....... i've done plenty of shit thats not legal, i dont wear a fuckin tee shirt about it advertising to all of society and the cops around me.

catch me if you can... thats what i say.

[Brian]

I think we ALL hope people are responsible with their actions.
Sadly, there will ALWAYS be idiots.

[BustedS13]

also good for tourism in Oakland, if that's the first city to go lax on it.


uh, if by tourism you mean "drive over for pot and then go back to SFO where it's nice", then yeah

[!Zar!]

There are nice parts in Oakland.

fuck legalizing weed


i dont puff, so i dont give a fuck... cigarettes or weed.. its all bullshit. i'm actually glad now that in burbank they've started being more strict with smoking in general, you cant smoke 10 feet near an entrance to a building. good.. go fuckin smoke somewhere else.

The city of Belmont in California banned smoking anywhere in the city.

So it's illegal to smoke a cigarette there.

[murda-c]

fuck legalizing weed


i dont puff, so i dont give a fuck... cigarettes or weed.. its all bullshit. i'm actually glad now that in burbank they've started being more strict with smoking in general, you cant smoke 10 feet near an entrance to a building. good.. go fuckin smoke somewhere else.


i hate coffee, cigarettes, any of this patch-fix shit people need to get their day going. besides, its not like people arent already loaded up on medications... just another fancy name for their day to day substances. happy anti-depressant pills n shit.. all a fuckin waste of time to keep people coming back and back and back


bunch of fuckin zombies. the other day i was driving and i tell my wife "gaddamn i smell weed" and these 2 brothas look over at me in their `01 impala........ haha fuckin shit... tokin while rolling.. gotta love it.


i mean look, people are gonna do whatever_the_fuck they wanna do. i have a friend who blazes in his car, gets drunk, goes racing.. i mean its completely stupid. i dont bother trying to change the guy, because hes just crazy like that.. he'll have to learn his own lessons and unfortunately, it will probably be at the expense of some other unfortunate people


funny, i think this post might piss off some of the weaksauce weed enthusiasts who proudly wear their mainstream "legalize marajuana" tee-shirts... but in reality, i think we all know that if you love something.. you'll do it regardless if its legal or not. fuckers wear their shirts to be cool and trendy, no other reason. shit....... i've done plenty of shit thats not legal, i dont wear a fuckin tee shirt about it advertising to all of society and the cops around me.

catch me if you can... thats what i say.

You silly bastard

[Souljahzs13]

haha bring me back a "t-shirt"

I do not blaze, but bring you back bay area "t-shirt" lol

^^^^

How is it ANY different than alcohol?

People drink and drive. Then they kill or die.
Alcohol is still legal last time I checked (as of yesterday).



The way I look at it, if it was legalized, you would probably capture all those who smoke it currently. In addition you would capture a number of people who might be "on the fence" with it currently because they might not want to risk smoking something illegal.

I agree, how is it any different...? If it get legalized everywhere, people would be able to smoke it more freely. That would be a win/lose situation, people get what they want but many of them will not be responsible enough to limit themselves on how much they smoke. I wonder the state will invent a breathalyzer test for THC content lol

[Future240]

How is it ANY different than alcohol?
.

I think we ALL hope people are responsible with their actions.
Sadly, there will ALWAYS be idiots.

Truth and truth.(from a weed smoker)Certain types of weed can make you stupid high9alcohol), or just give you a buzz that lets you be functional(cigarettes)

Fact: Cigs make the government money.
Fact: Even if it is small it helps, which is why they keep taxing increasing taxes on it
Fact: All those people in ixfixi posts are taxable citizens
Fact: Some dont smoke simply due to legality issues

So I say tax it. Tax it HIGH. Make some of this defict back.

[dert420sx]

... I wonder the state will invent a breathalyzer test for THC content lol


this is really a serious topic though. I have been a patient under prop. 215 for about 3-4 yrs now for chronic pain resulting from a work related injury.

now suppose i medicate prior to going to bed. by the morning, the effects will definitely have worn off...especially after a shower and breakfast. now if cops really did have those "BTC" (Blood THC Content) machines, and i get pulled over on my commute to work it would most likely detect the presence of such substances in my system. although i am not feeling the effects, based on laws governing driving and intoxication, the presence in my system can be incriminating. just like the 0.08 BAC law for alcohol, there needs to be more subjective ways of telling if a person is too high to drive.

the "high" effect is really subjective to the individual based on any number of variables. just like some people can get a buzz off one can of beer while it takes other people a 12-pack. you can't tell me that a bowl i smoked the night before is still making me high on my commute. i do not condone driving under the influence of ANY substances.

now please dont stereotype me as some stupid hippie stoner dude advocating for the legalization of marijuana. until i got hurt at work and a doctor suggested it to me, i had not consumed marijuana since high school....okay, okay...freshman year in college. lol. sure, it'll be great when the days would come that you can just stroll around and smoke like it's nobody's business but i've learned that with more freedoms also come more restrictions.

the legalization part is only a small fraction of the battle. the next battles would be the enforcement of new laws created, the taxes levied on this product, and education of the public of the effects and potential dangers of not using it in moderation.

[flip3d]

Oakland, eh? Full of gang bangers anyway.

You can use the argument "oh, alcohol is legal"

Yeah, but you can't get second hand drunk.

[Souljahzs13]

this is really a serious topic though. I have been a patient under prop. 215 for about 3-4 yrs now for chronic pain resulting from a work related injury.

now suppose i medicate prior to going to bed. by the morning, the effects will definitely have worn off...especially after a shower and breakfast. now if cops really did have those "BTC" (Blood THC Content) machines, and i get pulled over on my commute to work it would most likely detect the presence of such substances in my system. although i am not feeling the effects, based on laws governing driving and intoxication, the presence in my system can be incriminating. just like the 0.08 BAC law for alcohol, there needs to be more subjective ways of telling if a person is too high to drive.

the "high" effect is really subjective to the individual based on any number of variables. just like some people can get a buzz off one can of beer while it takes other people a 12-pack. you can't tell me that a bowl i smoked the night before is still making me high on my commute. i do not condone driving under the influence of ANY substances.

now please dont stereotype me as some stupid hippie stoner dude advocating for the legalization of marijuana. until i got hurt at work and a doctor suggested it to me, i had not consumed marijuana since high school....okay, okay...freshman year in college. lol. sure, it'll be great when the days would come that you can just stroll around and smoke like it's nobody's business but i've learned that with more freedoms also come more restrictions.

the legalization part is only a small fraction of the battle. the next battles would be the enforcement of new laws created, the taxes levied on this product, and education of the public of the effects and potential dangers of not using it in moderation.

Of course, and I agree with you. I appologize if what I said upset you, but I was referring to irresponsible people that shows incapable abilities of mangaging their daily tasks while being under the influence of any substance. Just like anything, there is a small allowance of how much of a substance you can have in your system. If it was obvious that that anyone shows signs being under influence while driving, the officers will run series of balance and cordination tests to see if the individual is capable to continue driving. Thats if that current subsance is legal of course.

[S-Nation S13]

Sr's dont kill people, shitty parts do.

lol not shitty parts...STUPID DRIVERS hehe:tardrim:

[Souljahzs13]

^^^ amen... not all of us can afford legit parts but can still drive better than others

[I LUV MY S13]

Of course, and I agree with you. I appologize if what I said upset you, but I was referring to irresponsible people that shows incapable abilities of mangaging their daily tasks while being under the influence of any substance. Just like anything, there is a small allowance of how much of a substance you can have in your system. If it was obvious that that anyone shows signs being under influence while driving, the officers will run series of balance and cordination tests to see if the individual is capable to continue driving. Thats if that current subsance is legal of course.

but there are a few ppl who do their daily tasks under the influence(we both kno who)...i find it easier and safer to drive faded because im more focused and dont get distracted..ppl are high more often than we actually know..and the ppl u would never suspect of smoking actually do ha

[dert420sx]

Of course, and I agree with you. I appologize if what I said upset you, but I was referring to irresponsible people that shows incapable abilities of mangaging their daily tasks while being under the influence of any substance. Just like anything, there is a small allowance of how much of a substance you can have in your system. If it was obvious that that anyone shows signs being under influence while driving, the officers will run series of balance and cordination tests to see if the individual is capable to continue driving. Thats if that current subsance is legal of course.


no not upset at all. just wanted to point out the true seriousness of it all. the enforcement of DUI for marijuana has been one of the bigger topics discussed ever since the California Prop 215 was passed in 1996. and yet, 13 years later there still are no significant changes in how they are supposed to administer a field sobriety test on someone suspected of being under the influence of marijuana. i say in addition to educating patients, the local law enforcement agencies should have some type of protocol

the pharmacy i visit regularly does everything they can to inform and educate their patients of the seriousness of NOT medicating in your car, keeping it locked in your trunk while driving.

[dert420sx]

but there are a few ppl who do their daily tasks under the influence(we both kno who)...i find it easier and safer to drive faded because im more focused and dont get distracted..ppl are high more often than we actually know..and the ppl u would never suspect of smoking actually do ha


recreational use and medical necessity are two completely different views.

it's people like you, driving, puffin a blunt, catching attention that's giving more fuel to the anti-pot people to burn.

[DALAZ_68]

The issue with legalizing it is the amount of Gov't jobs that would be lost.
Think about it.


bull...the scientist used for MJ, can maybe be turned over to forensics and maybe help the hundreds of thousands of rape victims waiting 2+ years to have there cases solved

or maybe focus them to find a cure for AIDS


8/10 cases that go to court dealing with drugs have to do with pot.

That means there will be less trials, less convictions and less officers needing to find the pot smokers/dealers.



i call bullshit again, how bout turning those officers to normal duty,
more officers in the streets
crime rate drops
officers can actually make it to the scene under an hour maybe...

In a perfect world we would find the people doing the hard shit killing themselves and ruining lives, but the world isn't perfect is it?

Why would the Gov't pass a law to help stimulate the economy when in the end it would put more people out of jobs?

Just sayin'.

if anything it give people jobs

assuming this passes, in more than just OAk, or just there, can u imagine how many shops will open up, how many people are needed to run a proper harvest. Not to mention the state gets a slice of that pie so more revenue for country,

[dirtdiggler666]

but when was the last time you heard on the news that a high driver killed a bunch or people because he was driving the wrong way on the freeway?

and you guys were saying it might be bad for kids, but to tell you the truth when i was young it was easy to get cannabis but hard to get alcohol. remember a guy selling cannabis on the street will sell it to anyone.

this is coming form someone that dose not smoke cannabis

[ronmcdon]

iirc, thc in large enough doses acts as a hallucinogen.
that's not safe even if it is rare.

ppl just have to be responsible with their consumption, regardless of the consumption.
won't be surprised to see an increase of DUI's due to high lvls of thc.

[Touge Noob S13]

IMO if it becomes legal we will probrobly see increased abuse of it by the teenage demographic, I do believe that the guys that do it on this forum are responsible but many people that do it dont seem to think that way. Personally I think its a trashy habit but I dont go around telling the people I know who do it to stop because they respect my opionion and I respect theirs.

[VROOOM]

anyone thinking that they will be able to walk down the street smoking a joint. is...smoking something. if it would be legalized im sure it would be regulated much like alcohol. no smoking in public, no driving under the influence, 21y/o to buy.

what is good is the people who use it already or people trying it for the first time are not gonna have to go to the local drug dealer who also sells the more harmful drugs like coke, acid and pills. they would be able to go somewhere where they are not offered hard drugs.


im all for legalizing weed, but not for other harder drugs.

[ESmorz]

Oakland, eh? Full of gang bangers anyway.

You can use the argument "oh, alcohol is legal"

Yeah, but you can't get second hand drunk.

Are you shotgunning with these "gangbangers"?

I don't smoke anymore but virtually all my friends do and I'm around it constantly. I have never had any slightest bit of a "contact" high.

[BTP]

lets all smoke weed and be free.

the world would be a better place if we all just smoked a blunt.

[n00d13k1ng]

iirc, thc in large enough doses acts as a hallucinogen.


don't really believe this....
never been to the hallucinogenic stage of highness no matter how hard i try.
maybe if it was laced?

bud has been legalized and taxed in cali for a while, as long as you have a club card pigs cant bust you for anything. "you have to be in violation of both federal and state law" for govt. to bust you.

[dirtdiggler666]

the only way its gunna be a hallucinogenic is if you eat it aka stuff cooked baked ect

[TiNMAN]

IMO if it becomes legal we will probrobly see increased abuse of it by the teenage demographic,

it wouldn't be a big increase

its weed, man. legal or not, its very easy to get a hold of some if youre looking for it

[nismoenthu]

it wouldn't be a big increase

its weed, man. legal or not, its very easy to get a hold of some if youre looking for it

:trogdor: it LOL

[Future240]

im all for legalizing weed, but not for other harder drugs.

Likewise. Due to the simply fact weed is a plant in the grown, while all other drugs have to be manufactured.

[ESmorz]

Likewise. Due to the simply fact weed is a plant in the grown, while all other drugs have to be manufactured.

I'm down for de-criminalization of all drugs.

If you are dumb enough to habitually do hard drugs. You will get what's coming to you either way.

[Future240]

I'm down for de-criminalization of all drugs.

If you are dumb enough to habitually do hard drugs. You will get what's coming to you either way.

I ride the fence on that issue. In the long run it will fuck up the ones that want to use them. But it will also get people who feel it is more okay because it is legal now.

I know at least 5 people who would try cocaine if it was legal.

[ESmorz]

I ride the fence on that issue. In the long run it will fuck up the ones that want to use them. But it will also get people who feel it is more okay because it is legal now.

I know at least 5 people who would try cocaine if it was legal.

Then you know five people who should fall victim to selective Darwinism.

:bow:

[Future240]

Then you know five people who should fall victim to selective Darwinism.

:bow:

Very true. That is a most excellent point.


what about the children who are influenced by people like that?

[TiNMAN]

^easy, tell dumb people to stop procreating


OH SHIT! i think i just found the answer for world peace :keke:

[drftmark]

i think people should be allowed to sit in their own home and light up without having to worry

[VROOOM]

i dont feel other drugs should be legal for the simple fact that when something is legal most people, especially people that are no into the drugs may think there is nothing wrong with doing that drug.

granted you should research what you put in your body, but i still think that is asking a little too much from our society.

[TiNMAN]

i think people should be allowed to sit in their own home and light up without having to worry

thats how it already is


in CA at least

[drftmark]

^ well ya but everywhere else where it is not legal, and people in cali still have to worry about the feds.

I mean honestly, why shouldn't people be able to use it recreational behind the privacy of their own home?? It is absurd.

[TiNMAN]

you dont have to worry about feds if youre just using

maybe if you were dealing or growing, then yea.


butttt, i see what youre trying to say :bow:

[ronmcdon]

^ well ya but everywhere else where it is not legal, and people in cali still have to worry about the feds.

I mean honestly, why shouldn't people be able to use it recreational behind the privacy of their own home?? It is absurd.

Because nixon said it's WRONG, and therefore it must be so.

Seriously though, a lot of the justification for existing laws aren't always so well thought out.

[Touge Noob S13]

^easy, tell dumb people to stop procreating


OH SHIT! i think i just found the answer for world peace :keke:


If we did that we would pretty much kill off halve the worlds population and a large chunk of the US population.

[drftmark]

Because nixon said it's WRONG, and therefore it must be so.

Seriously though, a lot of the justification for existing laws aren't always so well thought out.

correction:

a lot of the justification for the existing laws IS NOT EVEN THOUGHT out.

[murda-c]

Doing cocaine once isn't gonna kill you. jeez

[ronmcdon]

legalization often comes with some form of regulation.
obviously, it might not be a good idea to have weed made avail to younger kids.
even then, age doesn't necessarily guarantee responsibility, but maybe suggests vaguely that it decreases the liklihood of abuse.

Marijuana abuse/addiction will go up no matter what if this is legalized.
You're making it far more accessible.
However, as others mentioned it's no worse, if not healthier than alcohol and cigarettes.
Now if it's hash or substances with a higher thc concentrate (that could lead to hallucinations), that might be another complication.

[BTP]

lets all smoke weed and be free.

the world would be a better place if we all just smoked a blunt.
:ddog::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug:

[ixfxi]

Doing cocaine once isn't gonna kill you. jeez

true that


i sniff coke on the daily, y0

you dont see me having any problems or acting weird... right? right guys???

im pretty chill.... right??? right guys???

[drftmark]

Doing cocaine once isn't gonna kill you. jeez

I was referring to marijuana laws, most other illegal drugs should not be used.

[victorw210]

The issue with legalizing it is the amount of Gov't jobs that would be lost.
Think about it.

8/10 cases that go to court dealing with drugs have to do with pot.

That means there will be less trials, less convictions and less officers needing to find the pot smokers/dealers.

In a perfect world we would find the people doing the hard shit killing themselves and ruining lives, but the world isn't perfect is it?

Why would the Gov't pass a law to help stimulate the economy when in the end it would put more people out of jobs?

Just sayin'.so it should be illegal so that police can have something to do?

[ESmorz]

true that


i sniff coke on the daily, y0

you dont see me having any problems or acting weird... right? right guys???

im pretty chill.... right??? right guys???

Do you find yourself talking to people you usually wouldn't about things you usually wouldn't?

:dead:

[!Zar!]

After re-reading it, there isn't anything new.

Just that the medical marijuana places are going to be taxed more so than average.

Still illegal to posses and smoke anywhere unless you have a license for it.

[Matej]

Won't this contribute to emissions or global warming or something?

Hate the smell of this stuff. If it's ever made legal, the people who smoke it should be required to pay to have their homes vacuum sealed. That way even more money can be made off them.

[rokmplutonium]

Won't this contribute to emissions or global warming or something?

Hate the smell of this stuff. If it's ever made legal, the people who smoke it should be required to pay to have their homes vacuum sealed. That way even more money can be made off them.

That would never pass, because then cigarette smokers would have to pay as well. And we all know that Phillip Morris would never let that happen.

[fckillerbee]

Won't this contribute to emissions or global warming or something?

Hate the smell of this stuff. If it's ever made legal, the people who smoke it should be required to pay to have their homes vacuum sealed. That way even more money can be made off them.

emissions or global warming. hahahaa....natural burning plant vs a car. haha. you hate the smell of weed. I hate the smell of cigarettes, liquor on people, shit...people not bathing in general. I work in long beach, there is a lot of shit I don't like smelling.
what's next complaining about what you see.

regardless, I can see this opening new jobs, people that grow, people that market, government regulation, food consumption increase, clubs will have a drug that doesn't make you vomit on the floor. tourists will come more frequently, its just more of a reason to come to california.

overall people will be mellow. when's that last time you heard about two stoners fighting about shit? the only downside I see, is it might open doors for people to try "new" drugs, but then again, finding a dealer for heavy drugs vs "pot" isn't as easy. I'm sure when it does become completely legal, it will be regulated like alcohal and cigarettes.

[drftmark]

All this gateway theory crap is because pot it non-regulated.

When an adult over the age of 21 wants to go buy a bottle of whiskey for himself/herself, he/she goes to the store, shows his/her I.D. and pays for the bottle.

This is how a regulated substance works as many of you know.

For marijuana's case this means anyone can buy marijuana from a drug dealer. You don’t need to show an I.D, drug dealers don’t look at the age of the buyer, they look at the money. What this also means is that while the dealer is selling the marijuana, he might also suggest something else from his goods—such as cocaine or heroine—to increase his profits.

[SUPERSTAR]

emissions or global warming. hahahaa....natural burning plant vs a car. haha. you hate the smell of weed. I hate the smell of cigarettes, liquor on people, shit...people not bathing in general. I work in long beach, there is a lot of shit I don't like smelling.
what's next complaining about what you see.

regardless, I can see this opening new jobs, people that grow, people that market, government regulation, food consumption increase, clubs will have a drug that doesn't make you vomit on the floor. tourists will come more frequently, its just more of a reason to come to california.

overall people will be mellow. when's that last time you heard about two stoners fighting about shit? the only downside I see, is it might open doors for people to try "new" drugs, but then again, finding a dealer for heavy drugs vs "pot" isn't as easy. I'm sure when it does become completely legal, it will be regulated like alcohal and cigarettes.

Dude you have waaaaaay too much time on your hands. Get to work!!

[S13shaka]

state legal is different than federal legal

[ronmcdon]

All this gateway theory crap is because pot it non-regulated.

When an adult over the age of 21 wants to go buy a bottle of whiskey for himself/herself, he/she goes to the store, shows his/her I.D. and pays for the bottle.

This is how a regulated substance works as many of you know.

For marijuana's case this means anyone can buy marijuana from a drug dealer. You don’t need to show an I.D, drug dealers don’t look at the age of the buyer, they look at the money. What this also means is that while the dealer is selling the marijuana, he might also suggest something else from his goods—such as cocaine or heroine—to increase his profits.

Agreed about the Gateway Theory being bull-shit.
If that were the case, you'd also have to ban alcohol, cigarettes, coffee, aspirin, etc.
Theoretically, according to that theory, any drug that stimulates the human body in any manner could be a gateway drug.

[VROOOM]

true, first "drug" i ever tried was alcohol. i think thats true for most people.

[drftmark]

Agreed about the Gateway Theory being bull-shit.
If that were the case, you'd also have to ban alcohol, cigarettes, coffee, aspirin, etc.
Theoretically, according to that theory, any drug that stimulates the human body in any manner could be a gateway drug.

exactly it is just BS politics.

[BTP]

Agreed about the Gateway Theory being bull-shit.
If that were the case, you'd also have to ban alcohol, cigarettes, coffee, aspirin, etc.
Theoretically, according to that theory, any drug that stimulates the human body in any manner could be a gateway drug.

+1 i agree with you man.

[Matej]

you hate the smell of weed. I hate the smell of cigarettes, liquor on people, shit...people not bathing in general. I work in long beach, there is a lot of shit I don't like smelling.
what's next complaining about what you see.
While those odors are unpleasant, I'm pretty sure the smell of weed is stronger than any of them. It's like when you walk into an apartment building, and one of the tenants happens to smoke weed with his bff's, so all of the hallways reek of it, and you can even smell it inside the other apartments.
Next I will complain about what I see. I hate the way 'stoners' look. Quit looking at me with those lazy bloodshot eyes.

[theicecreamdan]

^easy, tell dumb people to stop procreating


OH SHIT! i think i just found the answer for world peace :keke:

You'll have the answer for world peace when you figure out how to make dumb people LISTEN.

[Future240]

You'll have the answer for world peace when you figure out how to make dumb people LISTEN.

No it will be when people agree to disagree, and don't try to force their ways of life into others lives.

[ericcastro]

^^^^what he said.


my fried just came from oakland. he was telling me how he was walking down the street smoking a joint.man i want to move to cali so bad.:o
Cant wait for my children and nephews to be exposed to drugs, awsome.

I wish to HELL that we would legalize Marijuana.

Guess you gotta keep fast food employees happy somehow.


(can't be worse than cigarettes, really).
Well, with 10 times the tar, 2 J's has the same amount of tar as a pack of cigarettes.
Not to mention the brain damage and tar build up it puts on your nurotransmitters.




edit: lets not forget E-fonzerelli
Or mac Dre and the Rompalation.

man if they legalized pot we America would be a better place, and the economy would be in better shape it has been proven.
Yeah, cause im sure with everyone high, people would be WAY more productive and wouldn't ever have to do more work cause of there short term memory loss.
How much accounting or electrical work do you get done high?
Do you want that other guy at work driving the forklift passed you with large pallets to be high?


i think that legalizing it would be kinda sendin a message to kids that drugs are ok? maybe? idk..
exactly.
although they would be saying mind altering drugs are ok.
So lets get meth and coca on the list then!

I'm actually gonna cruising up there for the weekend haha I guess I will be buying a few souvenirs lol
because LA isnt full of MJ places for medical needs already??



Pot heads are the laziest mother fuckers man!

Shit has basically been legal here for at least 5 or 6 years.
All you have to do is go to the doctor and say you have had a hard time sleeping and am depressed cause the economy and would like to try medical m....
And BAM!! a card!
Is it really to much effort guys?
Do you really need to make it "more legal", so that it end up in the hands of children that have brains and bodies that are still developing??

I know that i wouldnt trust a pot head with
anything of value i needed fixed,especially electrical.
driving a bus with children,
flying planes,
making life and death decisions as a policeman/fireman/military/EMT,
or even motivating themselves to be the best they can in life.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.
I do know they did a test on airline pilots.
And the control group landed the simulators without problems for days on end.
The group of pilots what where administered MJ, crashed planes on the simulator for up to 3 days after useing.

just some of my thoughts.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

I don't smoke, nor do I intend to even if it were legalized, but I'm a HUGE advocate of legalizing cannabis. It was made illegal from WR Hurst because hemp paper was overtaking his stock in the paper trade industry. He claimed a made up word, Marijuana, that was grown in South America made blacks and Mexicans rape young white women. Even in the 50's the racial slander for the drug continued through Refer Madness.
The fact is cannabis is less harmful to your body then alcohol. Of course it's bad when you abuse it but almost anything is. My point is that it's less harmful while abusing then even some OTC drugs.
Also the taxation of the plant will generate federal money, stop putting away 18 yr old kids for needless possession, and even will calm down the drug war in Mexico. I haven't heard many talk about that. The majority of the drugs that cross US borders is cannabis. This will also prevent kids from learning how to buy REAL drugs from drug dealers. Cannabis was always looked at as the "gateway drug", not because it harmed your body, but because you learned how to buy crack and speed off the street.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Cant wait for my children and nephews to be exposed to drugs, awsome.


Guess you gotta keep fast food employees happy somehow.


Well, with 10 times the tar, 2 J's has the same amount of tar as a pack of cigarettes.
Not to mention the brain damage and tar build up it puts on your nurotransmitters.


Or mac Dre and the Rompalation.


Yeah, cause im sure with everyone high, people would be WAY more productive and wouldn't ever have to do more work cause of there short term memory loss.
How much accounting or electrical work do you get done high?
Do you want that other guy at work driving the forklift passed you with large pallets to be high?



exactly.
although they would be saying mind altering drugs are ok.
So lets get meth and coca on the list then!


because LA isnt full of MJ places for medical needs already??



Pot heads are the laziest mother fuckers man!

Shit has basically been legal here for at least 5 or 6 years.
All you have to do is go to the doctor and say you have had a hard time sleeping and am depressed cause the economy and would like to try medical m....
And BAM!! a card!
Is it really to much effort guys?
Do you really need to make it "more legal", so that it end up in the hands of children that have brains and bodies that are still developing??

I know that i wouldnt trust a pot head with
anything of value i needed fixed,especially electrical.
driving a bus with children,
flying planes,
making life and death decisions as a policeman/fireman/military/EMT,
or even motivating themselves to be the best they can in life.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.
I do know they did a test on airline pilots.
And the control group landed the simulators without problems for days on end.
The group of pilots what where administered MJ, crashed planes on the simulator for up to 3 days after useing.

just some of my thoughts.
Would you trust a drunk electrician, drunk bus driver, etc... Is it crazy to remind you that alcohol was once illegal? Does beer commercials tell children that it's ok to drink a mind altering "drug"?
So my question to you is what makes a drug a drug? Why is something that grows out of the ground illegal? Yet you compare something that has to be cut and cooked in what's almost a laboratory to something that is simply grown from the ground.
And to point out what you said about 2 j's being worst than cigarettes.....so what? Aren't cigars worst than cigarettes? are they illegal? It is our RIGHT to decide what should and what shouldn't go in our bodies (well minus the meth and stuff). I don't care if cannabis is 5x worst for you than a cigarette. You forget to also mention that some people smoke like 4 packs a day so the daily life of your average cannabis smoker is much healthier than a couple packs a day cigarette smoker. So what could be next for the government to ban? fast food? Fast food is the number 1 killer in America.....LETS BAN IT!

[SochBAT]

You know whats the most failed defense? The "It kills your braincells" arguement.

98% of nay-sayers don't even KNOW how it was tested and the results.

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Government experts now admit that pot doesn't kill brain cells.(8) This myth came from a handful of animal experiments in which structural changes (not actual cell death, as is often alleged) were observed in brain cells of animals exposed to high doses of pot. Many critics still cite the notorious monkey studies of Dr. Robert G. Heath, which purported to find brain damage in three monkeys that had been heavily dosed with cannabis.(9) This work was never replicated and has since been discredited by a pair of better controlled, much larger monkey studies, one by Dr. William Slikker of the National Center for Toxicological Research(10) and the other by Charles Rebert and Gordon Pryor of SRI International.(11) Neither found any evidence of physical alteration in the brains of monkeys exposed to daily doses of pot for up to a year. Human studies of heavy users in Jamaica and Costa Rica found no evidence of abnormalities in brain physiology.(12) Even though there is no evidence that pot causes permanent brain damage, users should be aware that persistent deficits in short-term memory have been noted in chronic, heavy marijuana smokers after 6 to 12 weeks of abstinence.(13) It is worth noting that other drugs, including alcohol, are known to cause brain damage.

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Cliff Notes = THEY PUMPED FUCKLOADS OF WEED INTO THE MONKEYS LUNGS WITHOUT OXYGEN. THEY WERE BREATHING 100% MJ.

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Studies today, as FUCKING ADVANCED AS THEY ARE, have yet to validate that weed kills braincells. There isn't any harm to the brain, as many falsely claim. Its bullshit. And guess what? That bullshit seems to convince fucktards who can't think for themselves.

Spoonfed information FTL.

PS. Good read. http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/marijuana/facts/mj-health-mythology.html

[drftmark]

Pot heads are the laziest mother fuckers man!

You are saying stuff that is completely false.

Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Michael Phelps, Bill Gates... etc etc THE LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON....


Ya, they are reallllyyy lazy and didn't get anything done....(sarcastic)

Your comment's about "if it were legal people wouldn't work be good etc...", people STILL smoke it right now anyway, and just because it is legal does not mean that everyone HAS to smoke it.

You are just regurgitating old scare tactics. Read the facts my friend.

[BustedS13]

lots of silliness in this thread.

-WEED IS WORSE THAN CIGARETTES 80X DA TAR AND STUFF
you don't have to smoke it. you can eat it. you can vaporize it. so you can't really say it's worse than cigarettes.
can you get mouth/jaw/throat cancer from eating weed like you can chewing tobacco? honest question.

-I DON'T TRUST POTHEADS TO DO THEIR JOB THEY'RE GONNA BE HIGH ALL THE TIME
going to work high is no different from going to work drunk. neither should be acceptable.


-LEGALIZE WEED? YOU JUST GONNA EXPOSE MY BABBIEEEEES
and how would legalized marijuana "expose the children" anymore than the billboards for malt liquor all over my city? or the millions of smelly fucks smoking cigarettes in their cars every day nation wide?
STOP CODDLING YOUR FUCKING KIDS, THEY'RE TURNING INTO PUSSY BALLS OF SHIT.




i really, genuinely hate arguing FOR weed. it makes me sound like a goddamn hippie/stoner/jackass douchebag who talks about how "THOMAS JEFFERSON GREW HEMP BRO, YOU DON'T EVEN FUCKIN' KNOW, IT'S A PLANT U CAN'T GET HURT BY A PLANT BRAH. ACOUSTIC GUITAR SOLOOOOO", but saying it's any worse than its legal counterparts is bullshit. weed's lobbyists must have just been ripped one day in the first half of the 20th century and lost the war.

[ericcastro]

If you had your short term memory still, you would have seen I said nothing about killing brain cells.
Alchohol actually does that, just incase you want more facts. But brain cells die every day just like cells all over your body.
I stated that MJ use starts to build up a tar looking resin between your nuerotransmitters.
Remember how pot heads that have been using for a few years or more dont seem so effected by the emotions of things going on in thier life?
Like everything is just,....cool man,....don't worry....
When they should be a little stoked or pissed or something!!
Nuerotransmitters are being blocked by the resin build up of the MJ.
Its physically visibal when they do autopsies on people.

It also stops the maturity growth in people that are heavy users. you ever notice how imature and stupid the humor of real pot heads are??
stop smoking for a month, you'll notice, trust me, lol.

It doesnt kill your brain, but it can alter it. Not unlike the damage people suffer from much harder drugs.

BTW, Heroine and Coke are both grown plants as well as shrooms and peyote.
Not so sure they should be legal either. just because its here on earth doesnt mean its ok. there is all kinds of "natural" shit on this planet that can kill us. The "natural" argument is dumb.

Weed from the days of old was WAY less strong then todays engineered in a lab stuff. Its not just "grown from the ground" bro.
Its been genetically altered more than fucking corn.
So gtfo with that silly granola argument.

I would actually trust someone that had a couple beers more than I would someone that has thier short term memory inhibited.

the effects of MJ stay in your system for 3 days. So you cant tell if someone got really high the day before and came to work the next day.




Anyways,
You can argue all you want, but its a stupid idea.
I have plenty of experience with the stuff.
Step father used it,
I did,
moms been a drug and alchohol counselor for years,
she's real good and works with celebs alot of the time now,
been to treatment numerous times,
and just being 32.
I have watched my friends that continue to smoke weed, never really go anywere in life. They are content, happy, and get by.
But I wouldnt wanna be on Phyciatric drugs that numb you like that during my whole life, but you might.

with it mildly legal, you can party with it once in awhile, but hopfully not use it everyday.

I mean really, is it that hard to get??
so you really think jobs that drug screen will ever let a pot head in once its legal?
You do realize you wont be able to just smoke in the middle of the street, its gonna be like alchohol and cigarettes and be banned in most outdoor areas.

[handinpants]

honestly i feel that specifically, oakland should legallize and tax crack sales, because seriously, there's a lot of crack smokers there, and they gotta tap the market cause crackheads will pay for their fix....

[vekoner]

People don't realize that there are different kinds of strains of marijuana that cause different types of results. There are some strains that are able to make you concentrate, relieve pain, relax, and all that shit. So saying that a person on marijuana can not function in work areas are stupid. I know a lot of people who are professionals, including doctors, that smoke or who think marijuana should be legal.

Do research on the subject, before you give your uneducated opinion.

[ronmcdon]

Vekoner, at least provide some sources if you're going to be making claims like that and calling others uneducated.
The concept of different forms of MJ with diff effects is indeed intriguing, but it's hard to just take your word for it

[ronmcdon]

honestly i feel that specifically, oakland should legallize and tax crack sales, because seriously, there's a lot of crack smokers there, and they gotta tap the market cause crackheads will pay for their fix....

That would be disastrous.

As if the Oak crackheads don't rob & mug enough,
you're giving them additional incentive to do more damage.

Sure they will give the city more $$$.
$$$ taken after jacking someone's radio & selling it off Craigslist.

[ericcastro]

People don't realize that there are different kinds of strains of marijuana that cause different types of results. There are some strains that are able to make you concentrate, relieve pain, relax, and all that shit. So saying that a person on marijuana can not function in work areas are stupid. I know a lot of people who are professionals, including doctors, that smoke or who think marijuana should be legal.

Do research on the subject, before you give your uneducated opinion.

Uneducated??
lmao!!

your a idiot.

Glad I don't go to the doctors you know.


Its totally cool bro, weed is awsome.........
hella sweet man, its cool,....totally from mother earth and shit brahhh.h........


totally..........

If you got a shitty job, then you might need some weed so you dont get suicidal and forget how shitty and disapointing your life is.
Problem is, its a catch 22, cause the shit makes you complacent.

You know who really likes weed.............
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aaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwssssssssssooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmee eeeee.........

[vekoner]

User pinked for a month.

yeah BRO! you should try weed when having sex with other peoples moms braaaaaaaaaaH. a 30 some year old on a 240 forum with a vinyled up car should be talking about life and shit on a forum... WOOT WOOT! i get where you are coming... hah whatever *SNIP*

get out of here with that shit...

[murda-c]

yeah BRO! you should try weed when having sex with other peoples moms braaaaaaaaaaH. a 30 some year old on a 240 forum with a vinyled up car should be talking about life and shit on a forum... WOOT WOOT! i get where you are coming... hah whatever SNIP

get out of here with that shit...



Wow you're stoned.

[ericcastro]

aparently I have a fan that follows my life really well.

here, let me make it easy,

Docking Bay 94 (http://countvoncastro.blogspot.com/)

[vekoner]

naw you don't have fans... your patheticness is just well known

[CrimsonRockett]

yeah BRO! you should try weed when having sex with other peoples moms braaaaaaaaaaH. a 30 some year old on a 240 forum with a vinyled up car should be talking about life and shit on a forum... WOOT WOOT! i get where you are coming... hah whatever *SNIP*

get out of here with that shit...

naw you don't have fans... your patheticness is just well known

Hey BRO, shut the fuck up.

Enjoy your one month time out.

Have a nice day.

[Ricks15]

Oakland here I come:boink: gota load up...LOL:rofl::rofl:

[ronmcdon]

good riddance.
thanks mods.

[BustedS13]

People don't realize that there are different kinds of strains of marijuana that cause different types of results. There are some strains that are able to make you concentrate, relieve pain, relax, and all that shit. So saying that a person on marijuana can not function in work areas are stupid. I know a lot of people who are professionals, including doctors, that smoke or who think marijuana should be legal.

Do research on the subject, before you give your uneducated opinion.

jesus, you're fucking retarded. i hope you find nico in your month off and go talk about clear corner lights over there forever.

[ericcastro]

Dudes like that definatly dont add any help to the 'ol weed/legal discussion.

Thanks Johnny.




well, we all agree to disagree.
but lets agree on Oakland :)

YouTube - Life is.....Too Short (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izB85LUlygE)

[tbowzer]

There are 0 deaths that can be related to marijuana. 400,000 tobacco related deaths yearly in the US alone-thats more deaths related to alcohol, motor vehicles, prescription drugs, suicide, firearms, illicit drug use, anti-inflammatory drugs(aspirin) combined.

I agree that daily use of marijuana could effect short term memory. Potheads-that smoke all day,everyday- are zombies. I'm for medicinal use of mj, use as much as you need to ease the pain. MJ for recreational use is ok but you need to be responsible, its easy to become a zombie-once per week, MAX for recreational use.

I don't know about this "resin buildup on neurotransmitters". THC causes anandamide and dopamine reactions in the brain-these reactions are caused by the uptake of marijuana so it isn't natural for the brain to be flooded with these. I could imagine after long term use those receptors and neurotransmitters could be numbed(produced less of those natural chemicals under sober/normal conditions), but I wouldn't go as far to say that resin is building up in your brain-if that was the case one would think you would be a very sick boy.

BTW, Heroine and Coke are both grown plants as well as shrooms and peyote.
Not so sure they...b.

Heroine and Cocaine, grown?

heroine aka diacetylmorphine derives from morphine which in turn derives from the opium poppy-so technically it is grown but you would then need a chemistry set, extract what you want, then cook up the final product.

cocaine aka benzoylmethylecgonine comes from coca plant and leaves. extraction of the alkaloid in the coca plant ,in turn, produces cocaine.

both are hardly "natural". The chemical reactions that produce these substances are natural but the product is manufactured.

Psilocybin mushrooms and peyote/mescaline are grown.

Decriminalized>Legalized

Its too easy to get a license, we need better screening.

Be responsible.

[ericcastro]

There are 0 deaths that can be related to marijuana. 400,000 tobacco related deaths yearly in the US alone-thats more deaths related to alcohol, motor vehicles, prescription drugs, suicide, firearms, illicit drug use, anti-inflammatory drugs(aspirin) combined.

I agree that daily use of marijuana could effect short term memory. Potheads-that smoke all day,everyday- are zombies. I'm for medicinal use of mj, use as much as you need to ease the pain. MJ for recreational use is ok but you need to be responsible, its easy to become a zombie-once per week, MAX for recreational use.

I don't know about this "resin buildup on neurotransmitters". THC causes anandamide and dopamine reactions in the brain-these reactions are caused by the uptake of marijuana so it isn't natural for the brain to be flooded with these. I could imagine after long term use those receptors and neurotransmitters could be numbed(produced less of those natural chemicals under sober/normal conditions), but I wouldn't go as far to say that resin is building up in your brain-if that was the case one would think you would be a very sick boy.



Heroine and Cocaine, grown?

heroine aka diacetylmorphine derives from morphine which in turn derives from the opium poppy-so technically it is grown but you would then need a chemistry set, extract what you want, then cook up the final product.

cocaine aka benzoylmethylecgonine comes from coca plant and leaves. extraction of the alkaloid in the coca plant ,in turn, produces cocaine.

both are hardly "natural". The chemical reactions that produce these substances are natural but the product is manufactured.

Psilocybin mushrooms and peyote/mescaline are grown.

Decriminalized>Legalized

Its too easy to get a license, we need better screening.

Be responsible.

IDK, my friend came back from Peru with some Coca leaves.
It was pretty good, lol.

But you bring up some really valid and thought out points about it all.

Better screening is needed! and a cap on how much a card is good for per week.
I am all for medical marijuanna. Much better then oxycotten and every other drug they prescribe, addict people to and realize its fucking everyone up.

they always say that MJ hasnt had any deaths, blah blah. Its definatly a much more mellow drug. But there is violence, death and disfunction around the drug.
A percentage of this could be taken care of by legalization.
But that is the whole problem with MJ. Its very mellow. People dont even realize they have a problem with it. And it really does rob your ambition.

I know alot of artist, and its interesting to watch how much more succesful they get in there lives when they stop using. But I guess you have to also lived long enough to watch peoples careers over 15-20 years to see lives actually change.

fuck im old, lol.

And the Nuerotransmitter/tar thing is true.
Back in the 50/60/70's (i forget the years they figured it out.)
they would do autopsies on people and find this black, tar like substince in the brain. they couldn't figure it out for a long time. Most people didnt have it, but occationally people would.
they finally figured out its from long term MJ use.
And it slows down and blocks some of the nuerotransitters from firing.
And so it basically numbs everything down.
probablly part of how it helps with nerve and cramps too?

If it wasnt the free for all it is, i would support it.
and if it was controlled and kept out of public to an extent.
If it became looked at as a medical medicine, and not a, "sweet, were getting away with getting high!!".
then i could support it.
But living here in CA, you see to much of this MJ card shit just getting taken advantage of.
which is sad, cause the irony is that the stoners are gonna actually fuck it up and get it more regulated and it will be harder for the people that could actually really benifit from it.
You can literally walk into a doctor and say, "i have been really depressed since i lost my job and my back has been sore and hurting lately", and they give you a card.
Its so fucked, cause that behavior is gonna mess it up for a terminal cancer patient that could really use it.

[ericcastro]

Here, all this discussion made me wanna refresh a little.



Neurotransmitters fill the gap, or synapse, between two neurons and bind to protein receptors, which enable various functions and allow the brain and body to be turned on and off.
Some neurons have thousands of receptors that are specific to particular neurotransmitters.
Foreign chemicals, like THC, can mimic or block actions of neurotransmitters and interfere with normal functions.



The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana abuse indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs.


because there is a high level of tar and other chemicals in marijuana, smoking it is similar to smoking cigarettes. The lungs get a big dose of chemicals that increase the chances of lung problems and ......

........


Marijuana contains more than 400 different chemicals........


and im a tobacco smoker unfortunatly.
still fighting that monkey.
just some interesting facts about what i was stating above.
My moms been a counselor for almost 20 years now, so I know alot about this stuff.

[tbowzer]

And the Nuerotransmitter/tar thing is true.
Back in the 50/60/70's (i forget the years they figured it out.)
they would do autopsies on people and find this black, tar like substince in the brain. they couldn't figure it out for a long time. Most people didnt have it, but occationally people would.
they finally figured out its from long term MJ use.

I've been surfing the net and haven't found any evidence of this tar residue you speak of.
And it slows down and blocks some of the nuerotransitters from firing.
And so it basically numbs everything down.
probablly part of how it helps with nerve and cramps too?
Thats what I was getting at.

[ESmorz]

It's all a conspiracy Thomas Jefferson smoked it.

http://www.nycamp.org/images/thomas_jefferson.bmp

http://davidavery.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/thomas-jefferson-president.jpg

http://harryallen.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/thomas-jefferson-big.jpg

http://www.visitingdc.com/images/thomas-jefferson-picture.jpg

[ericcastro]

It's all a conspiracy Thomas Jefferson smoked it.


what they smoked was something totally different then what we have genetically engineered.

To bad the pot heads figuring out the "best strain" and "strongest weed", didn't try and figure out how to breed a avacado that was perfectly ripe when it came off the tree.
I hate having to let that shit sit on the counter for a week when i really want to eat it with some salt.

If shit goes legal, im putting all my money into mountain dew and fun yuns.

[ESmorz]

You should start eating weed.

You will eat that avocado.

[ericcastro]

lol, i would have no pain, depression and gain 20lbs from cool ranch doritos and pistachios.
but i would probably be the best at forza 2, lol.

naw, used to use, but never for me.

At parties, all my homies would be drinking and talking to girls, then they would smoke and get lazy as shit and just "chill", so guess who banged every chick.
At the skatepark i would have to hear em cry about "why" they thought they didnt score.
I would tell em its as simple as not smoking and keeping your "game tight", lol.


on a side note, you cant smoke em pretty either, lol.

[98s14inaz]

I wish to HELL that we would legalize Marijuana.

I don't use it. No desire to.


However, I think it would be a GREAT move by the government.
We have booze. What's the difference?

Exactly :stupid:

[murda-c]

what they smoked was something totally different then what we have genetically engineered.

To bad the pot heads figuring out the "best strain" and "strongest weed", didn't try and figure out how to breed a avacado that was perfectly ripe when it came off the tree.
I hate having to let that shit sit on the counter for a week when i really want to eat it with some salt.

If shit goes legal, im putting all my money into mountain dew and fun yuns.

What's so different about the weed they had 200 years ago?

[SupraJDS]

I don't know if this was posted yet but here is an excellent documentary explaining everything.

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/educational_and_howto/watch/v18638239H52jwfxG - if you dont have a veoh.com account (it is free) it takes seconds to sign up to watch the full documentary.

[ericcastro]

What's so different about the weed they had 200 years ago?

Modern day weed has been genetically altered/breeded, whatever that shits called.

Its ALOT more powerful than it was even 100 years ago.
People in the 70's got good at it, and its continued on from there.

forgot the stats on it, but its at least several times stroner.
Like beer vs vodka.
both alchohol, but ones much stronger.

[ronmcdon]

Define 'stronger'.
You mean higher thc concentration, more potent (hits you faster), etc?

[ericcastro]

i guess THC content??
I dont work in that field.
Just have a mother that does and have been through treatment in the past.

look it up yourself, its all out there somewhere.
Just hard to find actual facts with all the pro and anti websites out there, clogging the google.

[drftmark]

Modern day weed has been genetically altered/breeded, whatever that shits called.

Its ALOT more powerful than it was even 100 years ago.
People in the 70's got good at it, and its continued on from there.

forgot the stats on it, but its at least several times stroner.
Like beer vs vodka.
both alchohol, but ones much stronger.

Are you kidding me??? Once again you are just talking about old scare tactics.

You do realize that you would have to smoke 1000+ pounds of weed in one sitting to die from it. All that OLDDDDDD NEWS about it "being different" today just means the THC content is higher in certain strains...

Just like you have different proofs of alcohol.

All this means is you have to smoke less to get to a same high.

All of your post's arguments have been debunked like 5 years ago. Get with the times.

[ronmcdon]

i guess THC content??
I dont work in that field.
Just have a mother that does and have been through treatment in the past.

look it up yourself, its all out there somewhere.
Just hard to find actual facts with all the pro and anti websites out there, clogging the google.

(Disclaimer: not 'advocating' anything illegal, just stating the facts and some opinions for the sake of discussion)

Alright, I looked it up on Wiki
(those who say it's not legit, go to hell. I'm not writing a paper).
Yeah, it was about THC content & potency.

Wiki does mention throughout the yrs,
the genetics and advanced cultivation methoods have increased THC content.
In the past, the strains of MJ was very varied.
Was anywhere from 5-15%
Stuff now, such as the merchandise in Dutch cafe's could be as high as 19%.
Seldom is it as high as 20%
Hash is usually above 20%
Hash Oil can be as high as 90%

So yes, MJ now is more effective, AND it's more potent.
Note, that potency and effectiveness are NOT the same thing, even if at times there is some correlation (correlation and causation aren't the same)
Effectiveness is the strength of the drug.
Potency is how fast it hits your system.
Potency & effectiveness among drugs (legal or otherwise), is a fascinating topic imo.

A more potent drug, I would think, would be something that's easier to modulate.
The stimulant hits you immediately, and you can adjust more easily accordingly.
Any abuse of the drug would more likely be intentional, rather than accidental.
This is why, in part, cocaine can be so dangerous b/c of nature of the drug being highly effective, yet not very potent.




Anyhow, I'm more inclined to think that personal responsibility should dictate the use of MJ.
However, I also agree that some level of legal regulation should be adapted to make sure THC levels are kept low and the purity of the substance is kept in check.

IMO, MJ truly become a hazard when THC levels are high enough, that it acts as a hallucinogen
That is NOT safe for drivers or any type of activity that might jeopardize safety.
Hash and Hash Oil probably should be more tightly regulated, if legalized period.

Also, how it's used should be regulated to some extent.
Just like you can't smoke tobacco and drink in public, the same courtesy should be applied likewise to MJ.

If and when MJ does become fully legit,
I do hope that employers/schools, etc have the full freedom to hire and dismiss personnel according to their discretion.
It's not like it's effects aren't documented and proven.

Still somewhat undecided on this matter.
It's very intriguing, but by no means a simple controversy imo.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)

New breeding and cultivation techniques
A large and mature Cannabis plant.
Main article: Cannabis cultivation

It is often claimed by growers and breeders of herbal Cannabis that advances in breeding and cultivation techniques have increased the potency of Cannabis since the late 1960s and early '70s, when THC was first discovered and understood. However, potent seedless marijuana such as "Thai sticks" were already available at that time. In fact, the sinsemilla technique of producing high-potency Cannabis has been practiced in India for centuries.[citation needed] Sinsemilla (Spanish for "without seed") is the dried, seedless inflorescences of female Cannabis plants. Because THC production drops off once pollination occurs, the male plants (which produce little THC themselves) are eliminated before they shed pollen to prevent pollination. Advanced cultivation techniques such as hydroponics, cloning, high-intensity artificial lighting, and the sea of green method are frequently employed as a response (in part) to prohibition enforcement efforts that make outdoor cultivation more risky. These intensive horticultural techniques have made it possible to grow strains with fewer seeds and higher potency. It is often cited that the average levels of THC in Cannabis sold in United States rose dramatically between the 1970s and 2000, but such statements are likely skewed because of undue weight given to much more expensive and potent, but less prevalent samples.[75]

"Skunk" Cannabis is a potent strain of Cannabis, grown through selective breeding and usually hydroponics, which is a cross-breed of Cannabis sativa and C. indica. Skunk Cannabis potency ranges usually from 6% to 15% and rarely as high as 20%. The average THC level in coffee shops in the Netherlands is about 18–19%.[76]

In revisions to Cannabis rescheduling in the UK, the government has rescheduled Cannabis back from C to B. One of the purported reasons is the high-potency Cannabis.[77]

A Dutch double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled, cross-over study examining male volunteers aged 18–45 years with a self-reported history of regular Cannabis use concluded that smoking of Cannabis with high THC levels (marijuana with 9–23% THC), as currently sold in coffee shops in the Netherlands, may lead to higher THC blood-serum concentrations. This is reflected by an increase of the occurrence of impaired psychomotor skills, particularly among younger or inexperienced Cannabis smokers, who do not adapt their smoking-style to the higher THC content.[78] High THC concentrations in Cannabis was associated with a dose-related increase of physical effects (such as increase of heart rate, and decrease of blood pressure) and psychomotor effects (such as reacting more slowly, being less concentrated, making more mistakes during performance testing, having less motor control, and experiencing drowsiness). It was also observed during the study that the effects from a single joint at times lasted for more than eight hours. Reaction times remained impaired five hours after smoking, when the THC serum concentrations were significantly reduced, but still present. The researchers suggested that THC may accumulate in blood-serum when Cannabis is smoked several times per day.

Another study showed that consumption of 15 mg of Δ9-THC resulted in no learning whatsoever occurring over a three-trial selective reminding task after two hours. In several tasks, Δ9-THC increased both speed and error rates, reflecting “riskier” speed–accuracy trade-offs.[79]

[murda-c]

So doesn't that just mean you only need one Joint instead of two?

[soreballz]

^If you need more than one joint, you're either smoking some really bad green, or you have a crazy high tolerance.

Super concentrated weed is great. Less smoke = less tar. That's always a good thing.

[ronmcdon]

So doesn't that just mean you only need one Joint instead of two?

That's a good question.
I've never been in the situation where I've hallucinated from THC (but that's hardly scientific).
Maybe someone can chime in.

Tar and THC are 2 different things, with different risks.

Personally I don't think the gov't can regulate on the basis of 'Tar'.
Doing so would create a double standard, given all the Tar products already out there.
Hell, even my shampoo has Tar.

THC is a far more serious risk imo.
Hallucinogens would cause bad things to happen when driving.

[s13tilldeath*]

^If you need more than one joint, you're either smoking some really bad green, or you have a crazy high tolerance.

Super concentrated weed is great. Less smoke = less tar. That's always a good thing.
That depends on the cercle size and how often you smoke.

[soreballz]

That's a good question.
I've never been in the situation where I've hallucinated from THC (but that's hardly scientific).
Maybe someone can chime in.

I have. Its a strange feeling, but with super neato visions. It was I was thrown into an old NES game... It was like a mix between the first Super Mario Bros game and Tetris. lol


Tar and THC are 2 different things, with different risks.

Personally I don't think the gov't can regulate on the basis of 'Tar'.
Doing so would create a double standard, given all the Tar products already out there.

Well, duh. lol
I wasn't talking about "regulating" tar. I'm just saying, smoking less = inhaling less tar.

That depends on the cercle size and how often you smoke.
What in the blue hell is a "cercle"? :duh:
I wouldn't know, anyway. I don't partake in CIRCLES.

[murda-c]

That's a good question.
I've never been in the situation where I've hallucinated from THC (but that's hardly scientific).
Maybe someone can chime in.

Tar and THC are 2 different things, with different risks.

Personally I don't think the gov't can regulate on the basis of 'Tar'.
Doing so would create a double standard, given all the Tar products already out there.
Hell, even my shampoo has Tar.

THC is a far more serious risk imo.
Hallucinogens would cause bad things to happen when driving.


I have experienced hallucinations when smoking.

A friend of mine was driving, and we were going through some dark spooky woods and I could clearly see hell at the end of the road and I was too scared to say anything, and I kept thinking I saw people run in front of the car.

It's a scary feeling and I don't know what would have happened had I been driving.

But yeah, the problem with weed is you can't just have someone blow into a breathalyzer and see if they are high, and with the varying potencies of weed, it's not hard to smoke a joint and drive all the time, and then get a batch of some good shit, and just be way more fucked up than you thought.

Maybe do like alcohol where it has to be printed how strong the product is, and you have have a license to sell it?

But then it's alot easier to have a plant in your basement than it is to have a still in your shed to make moonshine...

[ericcastro]

Are you kidding me??? Once again you are just talking about old scare tactics.

..................

All of your post's arguments have been debunked like 5 years ago. Get with the times.

i disagree.
And the statements above seem to back me up that weed is now cross bread to 4 times its old strength. (Skunk, brah)



Anyways, like my first statement, My concern is people not governing themselves. If people smoked at occational parties like they do k=now, cool.
But people will think its a free pass.
So If you wake and bake, like most pot heads, or get high at lunch, your negatively effected for 5-8 hours.
And I have known plenty of pot heads that have crashed their cars while driving high. And they admit that they were to high, then i make fun of them.
I even had a friend that crashed a VW bus, high, while eating a 7 layer burrito, lmao!! classic huh?

I call people that wake up and drink a beer to get the day started, alchoholics.
I call people that wake and bake, drug addicts.

sadly,
I have a feeling the legalization of this is for drug addicts benifits, not dying cancer patients that are stuck in home with a hospice as there only company during there final couple months of life.

I remember when the argument was for "hemp products". We have them now, so you never hear that in the argument.
Now "medical use" is sadly being used as the reason to make it legal.


And I never halucinated on weed either.
I took other things for that.
But I did get really bad tunnel vision a few times and knew that sometimes I was to fucked to drive or even use the VCR, lol.

Now driving on acid...................

[ronmcdon]

Ughh..sadly it's a lose-lose scenario, not unlike alcohol.
You legalize it, you have to deal with the usual hassles of abusers.
You ban it, you have to deal with the black market and other related complications.

Only solution I can think of would be to highly regulate it.
Keep the MJ's THC content low.
Use it as a prescription only drug, and maintain higher screening procedures.
Tax the substance a little higher to offset the regulation costs,
but not too high as to encourage a black market.

It's not perfect and has some loopholes,
but I'm guessing it would discourage some would be abusers.

btw - for those living in LA, is it just me, or does the whole city already smell like skunk anyways?

[drftmark]

i disagree.
And the statements above seem to back me up that weed is now cross bread to 4 times its old strength. (Skunk, brah)



Anyways, like my first statement, My concern is people not governing themselves. If people smoked at occational parties like they do k=now, cool.
But people will think its a free pass.
So If you wake and bake, like most pot heads, or get high at lunch, your negatively effected for 5-8 hours.


Who cares? It is not your job to be concerned with what people do behind their doors when they are hurting no body.
If they want to do that, then let them do that. Quit wasting all this prison space.

[ronmcdon]

If hallucinations are involved, that is a real hazard.
I think we can all agree DUI's are already a huge problem as is.

Even if you were to legalize MJ there has to be some regulatory measures.
I don't think an 'all or nothing' approach would be best.

[ESmorz]

I've never been in the situation where I've hallucinated from THC (but that's hardly scientific).

When I used to smoke I used to get auditory hallucinations very frequently. Mixed with the paranoia it made for some funny situations. I could always tell that what I was hearing wasn't quite real but it's hard to explain.

[ericcastro]

btw - for those living in LA, is it just me, or does the whole city already smell like skunk anyways?

Yeah, IDK why these people are crying about legalizing it anyways.
Isn't it basically legal in LA anyways?
shit, you gotta be a real idiot to not have medical card.
And the only time you can get busted is smoking in public, kinda like drinking.
So it wouldn't be legal anyways.

How easy do we have to make it to get high people?
jeez.

Who cares? It is not your job to be concerned with what people do behind their doors when they are hurting no body.
Depends.
My step dad smoked alot and it eventually went to coke and physical abuse.
Using drugs "behind closed doors" effects family's
Alchoholism is fucked, and effects family's
prescription drugs effect families and people behind closed doors.

The lone wolf out there can kill his life locked away in his studio apartment if he wants, but the whole thing isnt that simple.



I think we can all agree DUI's are already a huge problem as is.

Yeah, I never understand why the train here in LA doesnt run till 3:30 am so everyone from LA, the IE and the Valley could come to hollywood and party, and get home safely.
So dumb,huh?

I also heard that if CA put a $1 tax on a pack of smokes, we could all get free health care.
Dont know of its true, but it couldnt hurt the economy, and less people would smoke, less cancer, insurence rates should eventually go down and the goverment health care can put more money to all the people.


Of course, CA has the most fucked up government the way it is.......

[drftmark]

I am pretty sure people can govern their own families.

They don't need people like you or the government telling them what they can and can't do behind the doors of their own home.

"Using drugs "behind closed doors" effects family's
Alchoholism is fucked, and effects family's"

It is their family. If it is "effecting" them then they can handle it themselves. Making it illegal does NOTHING good for them or anyone who can use it responsibly.

This is a social issue not a criminal issue.

Obesity effects families.
Should we start making it illegal to consume more than 2500 calories a day and portioning food?

No, we shouldn't. People handle that shit themselves and get on diets themselves and workout, or they stay obese and have health problems and die. If they died because of that, then it is their own fault, let them die. This is called life, tough shit.

[ericcastro]

I am pretty sure people can govern their own families.

They don't need people like you or the government telling them what they can and can't do behind the doors of their own home.

"Using drugs "behind closed doors" effects family's
Alchoholism is fucked, and effects family's"

It is their family. If it is "effecting" them then they can handle it themselves. Making it illegal does NOTHING good for them or anyone who can use it responsibly.

This is a social issue not a criminal issue.

Obesity effects families.
Should we start making it illegal to consume more than 2500 calories a day and portioning food?

No, we shouldn't. People handle that shit themselves and get on diets themselves and workout, or they stay obese and have health problems and die. If they died because of that, then it is their own fault, let them die. This is called life, tough shit.

ah, the government is taking initiative in the obesity issue.
Cause in the end, its the government that foots the bill.
And you may have SSSOOOOOO much faith in humanity that you think people can be responsable for thier own decisions.

But guess what, most of humanity cant.
Thats why we have a government and laws, lmao!.

really??
maybe you need to stop smokin the wacky tabacky yourself and look at what your saying.
Or maybe your one of those guys that likes to make really tough statements so you sound like a real manly man.

Im not even so sure your serious with your side of this discussion now.
Seems like we all reached a middle ground here, like most discussions do.
except for you.(just letting you know :) )

[I LUV MY S13]

Yeah, IDK why these people are crying about legalizing it anyways.
Isn't it basically legal in LA anyways?
shit, you gotta be a real idiot to not have medical card.
And the only time you can get busted is smoking in public, kinda like drinking.
So it wouldn't be legal anyways.

How easy do we have to make it to get high people?
jeez.


Depends.
My step dad smoked alot and it eventually went to coke and physical abuse.
Using drugs "behind closed doors" effects family's
Alchoholism is fucked, and effects family's
prescription drugs effect families and people behind closed doors.

The lone wolf out there can kill his life locked away in his studio apartment if he wants, but the whole thing isnt that simple.



Yeah, I never understand why the train here in LA doesnt run till 3:30 am so everyone from LA, the IE and the Valley could come to hollywood and party, and get home safely.
So dumb,huh?

I also heard that if CA put a $1 tax on a pack of smokes, we could all get free health care.
Dont know of its true, but it couldnt hurt the economy, and less people would smoke, less cancer, insurence rates should eventually go down and the goverment health care can put more money to all the people.


Of course, CA has the most fucked up government the way it is.......

yea this is all true..ppl dont always keep it behind doors anyways...
i think theres a big tax on ciggs already...
but if 1 dollar helps that much then wtf??!?

[drftmark]

No, I don't have much faith in humanity. Let the dumbasses die out. Just like we should have let companies who can't budget die out (aka the bailout).

I don't give a fuck about what people do to themselves in their house.

What are you talking about? Me trying to sound all tough?

Do I really need to point out your page long posts with all your emotional personal shit stories sprinkled in? Do I really need to point out you have stated practically zero facts?

I don't even smoke marijuana.

You were just trying to use that as a scapegoat for your BS argument.

Don't worry, Nixon did the same thing when he got handed the facts about marijuana.

So let me inform you how that went.

In 1972 Nixon made the “Presidential Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse.” He wanted to use the commission to condemn pot, on a scientific basis, the questions about pot once and for all. Holland and England also had a similar commission going on as well at this time. When America’s commission came to a conclusion, the results were shocking to Nixon. The “commissions found marijuana about as dangerous as alcohol but, like alcohol undeserving of criminal penalties.” The English report went a step further: The evidence of a link with violent crime, it found, was far stronger with alcohol than with reefer.”(Gerber 23). Without exception, these three separate research groups, featuring some of the world’s leading legal, medical, and scientific specialists, recommended relaxing sanctions against marijuana. Nixon however, did not take a liking to this and publicized his personal views. Nixon said, “I am against legalizing marijuana. Even if the commission does recommend that it be legalized, I will not follow that recommendation.” Later on he elaborated with this, “I can see no social or moral justification whatever for legalizing marijuana. I think it would be exactly the wrong step. It would simply encourage more and more of our young people to start down the long, dismal road that leads to hard drugs and eventually self-destruction.” (Gerber 24). Nixon was outraged that his commission had backfired on him. He called them, “Soft-headed psychiatrists, who are on the stuff themselves.”

^funny how you accused me of being on the stuff when I disagree with your BS opinions. hah!

[ericcastro]

I would like them to make cigarettes $10 a pack, and put all that tax in the medical programs so old people can get there perscription drugs.
It makes me sad to think old people are sitting in thier homes dying because they cant take a pill everyday thats just sitting on the shelf at the corner rite aid.

Plus, less people would smoke, so less health problems the government and insurence would be responsable for. meaning lower insurence rates.

Only tough thing would be the giant givernment restructuring as power shifted from the tabacco industries control.
And social security would get even tougher.
but we wont get any anyways.

Then we just need real hybrids, so the government isnt controlled by the oil industries and countries.
Not these fake ass green vehicles that get 3 mpg more than there normal version.

[drftmark]

yea this is all true..ppl dont always keep it behind doors anyways...
i think theres a big tax on ciggs already...
but if 1 dollar helps that much then wtf??!?

I agree it should not be smoked everywhere and while driving.

I am fighting for the people who do not live in Cali or any other medincinal state.

I am fighting for the people who just want to consume in their house without being raided by the DEA.

[ericcastro]

No, I don't have much faith in humanity. Let the dumbasses die out. Just like we should have let companies who can't budget die out (aka the bailout).

I don't give a fuck about what people do to themselves in their house.

What are you talking about? Me trying to sound all tough?

Do I really need to point out your page long posts with all your emotional personal shit stories sprinkled in? Do I really need to point out you have stated practically zero facts?

I don't even smoke marijuana.

You were just trying to use that as a scapegoat for your BS argument.

Don't worry, Nixon did the same thing when he got handed the facts about marijuana.

So let me inform you how that went.

In 1972 Nixon made the “Presidential Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse.” He wanted to use the commission to condemn pot, on a scientific basis, the questions about pot once and for all. Holland and England also had a similar commission going on as well at this time. When America’s commission came to a conclusion, the results were shocking to Nixon. The “commissions found marijuana about as dangerous as alcohol but, like alcohol undeserving of criminal penalties.” The English report went a step further: The evidence of a link with violent crime, it found, was far stronger with alcohol than with reefer.”(Gerber 23). Without exception, these three separate research groups, featuring some of the world’s leading legal, medical, and scientific specialists, recommended relaxing sanctions against marijuana. Nixon however, did not take a liking to this and publicized his personal views. Nixon said, “I am against legalizing marijuana. Even if the commission does recommend that it be legalized, I will not follow that recommendation.” Later on he elaborated with this, “I can see no social or moral justification whatever for legalizing marijuana. I think it would be exactly the wrong step. It would simply encourage more and more of our young people to start down the long, dismal road that leads to hard drugs and eventually self-destruction.” (Gerber 24). Nixon was outraged that his commission had backfired on him. He called them, “Soft-headed psychiatrists, who are on the stuff themselves.”

^funny how you accused me of being on the stuff when I disagree with your BS opinions. hah!

i just figured you must be smoking if your making some of the bold statements you were.
And yes, i put a bit of my personal experience into my post.
You cant always view things on paper only, you need to put the humanity factor into it.

and there is just as much "facts" about the damage of weed, as there is the positive.
You can take anything and swing it the way you want to. I think most of us realize this these days.

[VROOOM]

Bring prohibition back. how many people would be for this??? screw alcohol and weed. they both fuck you up!

[ericcastro]

instead of going to war, i bet the hundreds of billions could have gone miles in figuring out addiction genes and all that shit.

Could solve HUGE problems for the world.

oh well, fuckin humanity huh?

[drftmark]

i just figured you must be smoking if your making some of the bold statements you were.
And yes, i put a bit of my personal experience into my post.
You cant always view things on paper only, you need to put the humanity factor into it.

and there is just as much "facts" about the damage of weed, as there is the positive.
You can take anything and swing it the way you want to. I think most of us realize this these days.

Please provide some actual information on these "facts" that show the damaging qualities of weed instead of just saying they exist.

[stinky_180]

decriminalize is much better

a great movie about cannabis: The Union: The Business Behind Getting High (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1039647/)

[ericcastro]

Please provide some actual information on these "facts" that show the damaging qualities of weed instead of just saying they exist.

You care so much, you can do it.
Im busy working on a million other things.
Laundry not being one of them, lol

[hat trick]

I'm fairly sure one of the reasons they struggle to decriminalize/legalize it is because there is no true test to tell if someone is driving under the "influence", such as with a road side sobriety test. edit: as for alcohol

[ronmcdon]

Well the coppers can always drag you back to the station,
and give you some urine and/or blood test.

the thing to determine would be where to draw the line between what is acceptable levels of THC in the body, and what is not.
Obviously, it's going to be far more difficult for the user to modulate levels of THC in their body, as it stays in the body much longer than alcohol.

I can see a whole lot more ppl getting busted for DUI's as a result.

[ESmorz]

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“Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man"

- DEA Chief Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young (1988)