S14 HUD-Need Help (LARGE Pics)

[wbarrett48473]

I've had a couple of these clusters collecting dust for some time now and have decided its time to put them to work.

The problem is that it's been impossible to get a complete wiring harness for the cluster and finding a Japanese version of the FSM hasn't been working out either.

The following image is the only one I could find that relates to the HUD cluster and I have filled in the parts I know, but unfortunately I cant read Japanese and the English versions of the SR20 S14 FSM are missing the 2 pages showing the wiring for either cluster. Can anyone decipher the Japanese?

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49091256952_f38973d9a4_o.jpg

The parts I'm not sure about are the ones connected to the "Electronic Speedometer" part. I figure the one that says C/U is the Display Computer and the one with SW is the Display Switch but i'm not sure.

This is what i'v been looking at for the last few hours. S14 SE Zenki HUD Cluster.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49091052996_647529ca6b_o.jpg

I know on the "Display Computer(Gray looking box)" that the black plug on the right goes to the actual heads-up-display LCD screen, but the black plug on the left I have no idea. The other plugs I figured are just the normal ones located on any of the various clusters.

Here is a pic of the plug in question.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49090540818_dd8264ed85_o.jpg

And another angle.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49090540118_c45b26bb27_o.jpg

Here is the only pic I could find with the actual plugs intact.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49090540883_bf2bf10122_o.jpg

These last 3 pics are to just show the other plugs for reference.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49091256267_18ce8e5fb4_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49091256407_d1ba2ce35c_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49091053976_bec8b2d7b0_o.jpg

Any help would be greatly appreciated and maybe one day there will be how to/write-up and more than just a handful of S14's will be able to have their HUD.

[Sileighty_85]

heres a rough translation
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i235/Neil_85/Misc/Miyukitranslation.jpg

[wbarrett48473]

heres a rough translation



Thank you very much for the translation, this should help a lot.

I was also able to find another pic of the plug in question, but still unsure of where it comes from or what the individual wires are for.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49091052836_983a682aa7_o.jpg

[wbarrett48473]

I still haven't given up on the S14 HUD especially now that I learned that some '93 and '94 Altima GLE came with an optional HUD that is similar to the gauge cluster in a S14 this means that the FSM might be of some help.

This is what I'm talking about.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50730741948_34174da157_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50730741923_6265454867_o.jpg

Now only if I could find that one missing plug I would be one step closer.

Also I finally received the actual HUD unit for the S14.

Notice it also has a check engine portion.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731472536_8006c92d17_o.jpg

This is attached to the display but I have no idea what its for - maybe someone else does?
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731472526_698dbdbb67_o.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731569042_eb1493e81f_o.jpg

This is the back of the display - maybe someone that works for Nissan would be able to order this part.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731568892_9802741a7e_o.jpg

Here are the wires connected to the display - Does anyone see similarities between this and the S13?
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731569032_4c0d942a6a_o.jpg

Here is the connector for reference.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50730741578_00c5399c8c_o.jpg

I'll be sure to keep everyone posted as I get closer to figuring this out.

[macuhwuhh]

niice. this is something i'd do if possible. i had no idea that s14's even came with HUD's. good luck with all the work!

[98_240sx_se]

hey any news on this. im about to buy an s14 hud but i dont have the gauge cluster. i only have the edm kouki cluster. do you know if you need the box on the back of cluster to make it work? thanks im really curious and want to know if you ever figured it out.

[projectRDM]

hey any news on this. im about to buy an s14 hud but i dont have the gauge cluster. i only have the edm kouki cluster. do you know if you need the box on the back of cluster to make it work? thanks im really curious and want to know if you ever figured it out.

You need the box for certain. Why would you even ask that? It's part of the HUD system.

[bigOdom1]

the real question is how are you going to display the hud since the windsheild needs the bubble on it to reflect the display

[Enna]

Isn't it just a small reflective film? I always thought it was just a piece of reflective film that it would display on.

[94_240sx]

It works okay without the film.

[bigOdom1]

actually its a extra piece of glass on the s14 that is sorta concave rectangle. maybe it will still work alright without it.

[98_240sx_se]

You need the box for certain. Why would you even ask that? It's part of the HUD system.

how do you KNOW that? im pretty sure the s13 guys can make the hud work with the analog system. thats basically what i would be doing... and if you know so much about the hud then what does the box do?

[98_240sx_se]

actually its a extra piece of glass on the s14 that is sorta concave rectangle. maybe it will still work alright without it.

my s13 buddy has a hud without the little piece of glass and it works fine. that is the least of my worries

[wbarrett48473]

hey any news on this. im about to buy an s14 hud but i dont have the gauge cluster.

If I were you I would go ahead and buy the HUD because its rare and then find the cluster later. As stated you must have the cluster because its completely different than the regular ones. There is the "Display Computer" on the back, a speedometer with different plug on the back, and there is the on/off switch in the front. You need all of these in order for it to work.

Also you can use the HUD without any window film but there is sometimes a little bit of "seeing double" on the window... using a small piece of tint will correct this.

As far as getting my S14 HUD working there is still the plug labeled M45 that I haven't found yet, but I did pick up another HUD unit.

I believe this one came off of a Kouki because of the size of the opening on the top.

Here is picture from someone on a different form that had one with his Kouki Cluster.
:naw:

Here is one that came with a Zenki cluster.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49091324762_36303022c1_o.jpg

Notice the differences in size?

Here is the one I picked up.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50730741763_faaf362dc5_o.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731472461_741a65b4cd_o.jpg

The Plug on this one is different from the other one I have as well.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50730741568_9989868761_o.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731472436_55ff9fb6dd_o.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50730741718_2662993c5b_o.jpg

Hopefully I find one of these plugs and I can start wiring everything up.

I'll be sure to keep everyone posted when that happens.

[98_240sx_se]

i did a little search in google for the altima hud. found this site and the guy seems to know just about everything about them. they (from what i can tell) look very similar to the s14 ones..

'94 Altima SE - Heads Up Display (HUD) Conversion - Nissan Forums: Nissan Altima Forum (http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/general-nissan-altima-discussion-1993-2001/171694-94-altima-se-heads-up-display-hud-conversion.html)

[projectRDM]

how do you KNOW that? im pretty sure the s13 guys can make the hud work with the analog system. thats basically what i would be doing... and if you know so much about the hud then what does the box do?

You can easily make the S13 HUD work with analog cluster, by splicing the control unit into the harness to power it and the HUD display. Just as the S14 unit would be done here. I've done two S13s before like this.

The 'box' is the control unit for the HUD, it converts the analog signal from the VSS to a digital reading and signals the display to interpret the speed to the glass.

You're assuming you can just take the display, without any sort of control unit, and splice it in. You're wrong. But please, go ahead and do it and then come back asking why it doesn't work so we can laugh at you.

[98_240sx_se]

You can easily make the S13 HUD work with analog cluster, by splicing the control unit into the harness to power it and the HUD display. Just as the S14 unit would be done here.

The 'box' is the control unit for the HUD, it converts the analog signal from the VSS to a digital reading and signals the display to interpret the speed to the glass.

You're assuming you can just take the display, without any sort of control unit, and splice it in. You're wrong. But please, go ahead and do it and then come back asking why it doesn't work so we can laugh at you.

no need to be a dick man. im simply just trying to learn something. and im not a stupid noob. so then would i be able to get the control box off of an s13 or a u13 and use it? the s14 ones seem very hard to find.

i was unaware that the hud unit didnt convert the signal on its own. that is why im asking questions. and reading and searching for answers.

[projectRDM]

The S13 unit won't work with an S14, the VSS signal is different between chassis.

[Sergio180sx]

WTF i didnt know s14's had HUD thats baller

[Andres_G]

Which projectors are those? What are ya retrofitting?

[wbarrett48473]

Which projectors are those? What are ya retrofitting?

TL Projectors/ZKW lenses into JDM Kouki Headlights.

[s14unimog]

I had no idea these existed...Let us know if you figure this out.

[wbarrett48473]

Just a small update but a very important one...


I found the damn plug!!

No idea why I didn't check my Digital climate control before but one of its plugs is the exact one that I was missing.

....Soo off to the local pull-a-part and found a 91 Q45 with the Digital climate control (same plugs as s14) and yanked them.

Here is the plug for reference.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731568987_74e54deec1_o.jpg

Here are both plugs attached to the display computer.
**Note this is the Zenki model (Kouki is completely different)**
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731472251_134abb1ebb_o.jpg

Now I just need some free time to wire the HUD into this.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731568972_bf86e3553f_o.jpg

And the eventually fit everything into this.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731472401_ae17950d91_o.jpg

Lots of work just to show the speed on the windshield I know but it gives me something fun to do :)

I'll be sure to keep everyone posted when I figure out this wiring.

[Agamemnon]

Where are you getting these parts? Ebay? Other forums.

I have a Kouki HUD cluster without the hud computer and display. I've always wanted to hook it up.

[Kaifd3s]

I know it looks cleaner, other than that why not just use that Defi HUD?

[wbarrett48473]

Where are you getting these parts? Ebay? Other forums.

Mainly from long hours of searching through YAJ and every once in awhile something will pop up on ebay.


I know it looks cleaner, other than that why not just use that Defi HUD?

The only reason I have been doing any of this is because one day I was learking around on the fourms and found the s-chassis "easter egg" hunt (http://zilvia.net/f/chat/101705-s-chassis-easter-egg-hunt.html) thread. There I found so many differenet things the I had never seen before and thought to myself... thats pretty sweet - maybe I can find some of this stuff and make my 240 a little different than most. So, after collecting most of the oem/jdm "rare" parts, this is the most challenging one to get all of the necessary parts for and it makes it kind of a game for me.

Sure I could just get the Defi HUD but I'm only looking for parts that were made by nissan for the S14 :doh:

[98_240sx_se]

props on finding the plug!!

for oem rareness how about kouki headlights with electronic adjustable projectors.. i got a pair with the switch!!!

[98_240sx_se]

hey so i just got a jdm clip that im going to do a rhd swap. and it has an oem hud. the hud is burned out but the wiring is still there. maybe we can get yours working then i can buy a new one and get mine working!!! i am going on a trip this week and when i get back ill take detailed pics

[***ARES***]

I'm so jealous! I can't wait to see how this turns out! GL to both of you working on this project!

[Fish805]

oh wow this looks like its going to be dope props on the work!!

[vtund777]

WOW! I thought I've seen all the accessories for an S14, but never knew an HUD existed. GL with the install, and more pics please!

[wbarrett48473]

hey so i just got a jdm clip that im going to do a rhd swap. and it has an oem hud. the hud is burned out but the wiring is still there. maybe we can get yours working then i can buy a new one and get mine working!!! i am going on a trip this week and when i get back ill take detailed pics

That would be great actually.

I was hoping that the wiring would be very close to that of the 93-94 Altima GLE but it seems that its very much off from the Japaneses diagram that's listed at the beginning of this thread. So, any pics of the wiring would help, even taking apart the harness to that digital plug to see where each wire ties into the main cluster harness would be :bowdown:

[JK2005]

any updates on this... i am waiting for my hud unit to arrive this week. i have the cluster and all he plugs!

[s14gmo]

anymore info on this ive been wanting to do this for awhile

[98_240sx_se]

im sorry i havent gotten any pics and i havent dug into the harness yet either. im workin on my other zenki, just no time. soon though

[jserrano]

I should still have a couple of the HUD plugs that I acquired for my '94 Altima project. It should be the same type of plug for you guys. Let me know who needs it. Send me a PM or email.

[98_240sx_se]

hey guys i have started my project. so i will have wiring locations and colors for you shortly. sorry its taking me so long. need more funds. let me know if you wanna donate through paypal lol

[wbarrett48473]

hey guys i have started my project. so i will have wiring locations and colors for you shortly. sorry its taking me so long. need more funds. let me know if you wanna donate through paypal lol

Any help with it would be greatly appreciated. If only I could find an actual PDF of the original Japanese FSM I would be golden, but since that hasn't happened yet - all I have is my little diagram I made some time ago.

I haven't had a chance to test out these few wires to see if it did anything to the actual HUD because its to cold to work in my garage, but hopefully the weather warms up soon!

NOTE: This is for the Zenki Cluster Only!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731481881_74ab84d7dc_o.jpg

[wbarrett48473]

I think I'm starting to get somewhere.

I picked up another Kouki HUD cluster because this one had the wiring pigtails that were needed for the cluster itself, but not the HUD unit itself.

Here is a picture of the back of a Kouki Cluster - Notice the "Display Computer" is not located on the back of these like they are on the Zenki model.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731472381_0520dbcc07_o.jpg

Here is a close-up of the plug that controls the button on the front of the cluster that turns the HUD unit off and on.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731472371_e603bc4126_o.jpg

I got to thinking because the wiring on the back had some blue tape on it that I've noticed before is used to tuck plugs that aren't used on some of the base models. For instance my fog light wiring behind the steering wheel was taped up because the car was pre-wired for fogs, but didn't actually come with fog lights.

So after searching I found a JDM Kouki dash harness and below is a pic of what I believe are the plugs needed for the HUD. The top one connects to the cluster and the bottom one to the actual HUD unit. So maybe all of the JDM harness' are prewired for HUD? Maybe someone with a JDM Zenki harness laying around could check? :D
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731472356_3c8cd47bdc_o.jpg

Sorry for the bad pic - I don't actually have this dash harness yet, but its on the way! After I receive it I will take it all apart to see what wires go where exactly.

[98_240sx_se]

hey so sorry i kinda stopped being a part in this. been busy putting the new core support on my car. but i have that cluster coming soon. and i have the complete dash kouki wiring harness with hud plugs. ill take pics on monday. but i wont be able to follow the wires just yet, maybe in a month or so. also if you notice on the back of the cluster on the kouki, on your picture to the right there is a lot of wholes soldered, the non hud ones dont have all those solder joints. that has something to do with the hud also.

[98_240sx_se]

oh and i wonder if the zenki hud and kouki hud are different??? i have a kouki one, maybe we can compare if you have a zenki one?

[98_240sx_se]

You're assuming you can just take the display, without any sort of control unit, and splice it in. You're wrong. But please, go ahead and do it and then come back asking why it doesn't work so we can laugh at you.

haha shows what you know... dick




Notice the "Display Computer" is not located on the back of these like they are on the Zenki model.

[wbarrett48473]

oh and i wonder if the zenki hud and kouki hud are different??? i have a kouki one, maybe we can compare if you have a zenki one?

I have both of them and they are definately different because the kouki HUD has the display computer built into it while the zenki hud has its computer on the back of the cluster.

I haven't taken the kouki one all the way apart yet but I do know for sure the actual display is smaller on the kouki.

[flawlessflo3190]

damn anyone with some ideas or maybe something to try for my zenki hud? im tired of not knowing how fast im going.....

[Big_E-Dog]

like i did in my maxima cant you just steal the box and hud unit and wire them up individually and tap off of the speed sensor??

[wbarrett48473]

like i did in my maxima cant you just steal the box and hud unit and wire them up individually and tap off of the speed sensor??

You should be able to, but the problem is that since the HUD was only offered in Japan and there is no full wiring diagram for it you would be playing a guessing game on which wires go where - this could eventually fry the unit itself and since they are extremely rare I don't think anyone wants to be the first to try.

Still waiting on my wiring harness from Japan - when this happens I'll be :naughtyd:

[Slidin' Sam]

If your still having problems/questions or need something translated let me know. I can't see all the pics on my computer at work, but I have S14 w/ HUD, so maybe I can help.

[2fast4y0u]

i badly need the part number on the kouki HUD...i have the cluster but no wiring or HUD unit. i might be able to get my hands on the HUD unit but i need a part #

ps. any one have a Kouki HUD for sale??? i cant find one anywhere. ebay, searching google....nothing.

[Big_E-Dog]

You should be able to, but the problem is that since the HUD was only offered in Japan and there is no full wiring diagram for it you would be playing a guessing game on which wires go where - this could eventually fry the unit itself and since they are extremely rare I don't think anyone wants to be the first to try.

Still waiting on my wiring harness from Japan - when this happens I'll be :naughtyd:





well who has them on here, someone has to be willing to help the "greater Good" LOL!

aint it in the J land FSM

hud are the shit though, dont know what ill do without it on these crazy ass freeways.

[2fast4y0u]

i got a kouki cluster and HUD today. damn clean and i have the white plug on the back with a pigtail wiring. I just checked because the place i got it has a s14 parts car sitting there. i am having them check on the plug from the harness and also anything else related to this working.

wbarrett48473: did you ever find anymore of the plugs from the 145? if so, i would be interested in buying one if they cant find one on the parts car.

i actually have an extra kouki HUD-capable cluster now if anyone wants to buy it.

[wbarrett48473]

Small Update for me as well.

I finally received the JDM Kouki Dash Harness and I'm starting to take it apart to see what wires go where.

Here is a pic of the Dash harness. Notice the plug taped up in blue is the one for the On/Off Switch. Maybe on Zenki harness its the same?
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6682/hud20.jpg

Here is the plug for the actual Kouki HUD unit.
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9332/hud21.jpg

Back side of the plug to show the wire colors.
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3254/hud22.jpg

Here is where the fun stuff starts.
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/7559/hud23.jpg

Hopefully soon I'll have an excel spreadsheet showing what wires go where :).

2fast4y0u - the only extra plug I have for Kouki is the On/Off switch on the back of the cluster.

[2fast4y0u]

update from me to: no luck with the parts car. HUD came off another one. Im gonna see if they can find that sweet plug with the blue tape on it(keep my fingers crossed).

ill take a pic of what i got to compare with you.

pics soon

[wbarrett48473]

Here is a quick connect guide for the Kouki HUD. I'm thinking sometime this week I'll take the whole cluster wiring + HUD out of the JDM dash harness and see if I can get it to work in my Zenki.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50730741638_c660d93240_o.jpg

[2fast4y0u]

any update on this? im still looking for a DCC plug or a dash plug to make mine work.

[wbarrett48473]

any update on this? im still looking for a DCC plug or a dash plug to make mine work.

It's currently Exam time at school so I have been busy with that lately. Also, I decided to repaint the car myself so I have been caught up with that.

I'm thinking realistically I should have the paint done in about 2 weeks and then I can wire this Kouki HUD in.

As far as the Zenki version, I haven't been able to find a complete dash harness for one yet, so I don't know where many of the pins trace back to in the harness. The plug I found that worked was out of an early 90's q45 just so you know.

[2fast4y0u]

sounds good. ill look for a plug off of a q45 then. dout any junkyards around me will have one of those cars but i will try.
let me know when you start again. i need some info to start hooking mine up.

[jssilc]

you guys need to take into concideration the usdm clusters. you cant use a zenki cluster in a kouki s14 and vice versa im pretty sure its similar weather it be jdm and edm. wouldnt mind getting a hud for my kouki where are you guys finding these clusters?

[2fast4y0u]

i got a kouki cluster and hud for my kouki so im good there..
i searched and search and search...then ended up with 2 of them. 2 clusters one hud.

[jssilc]

also someone should start a thread with these o0ber rare jdm or edm parts that would be cool . always thought the rear wiper for the s14 was baller and actual served a purpose

[2fast4y0u]

there is a thread.
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/135705-rare-s-chassis-parts-only-must-include-your-pictures-18.html

[jssilc]

oh [email protected]& lol im an idoit will check it out

[Enna]

you guys need to take into concideration the usdm clusters. you cant use a zenki cluster in a kouki s14 and vice versa.

You need to learn more before you say this. Its a very simple rewire to put zenki into kouki, or kouki into zenki. Its as easy as comparing FSM's. Same with all the other clusters for S14's. Getting the hud to work is an entire bullshit job in itself.

[jssilc]

i ment that in a sense of plug and play, any one can make something work by splicing it. that being said i ment simply applying that to the hud situation, the kouki hud (this is a assumption ) does not fit the zenki hud cluster plug and play as the usdm cluster from a kouki wouldnt fit a usdm zenki plug and play.

[DFWZenki]

Here are some pics of my ZENKI JDM Harness. Looks like on the Kouki Harness the plug for the H.U.D. is small and white. And the Zenki Harness(shown here) has a large black plug for the H.U.D. (probably because of the large computer on the back of the zenki cluster). Just a guess though.
Hope this helps!

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[wbarrett48473]

That black plug with the blue tape might be our answer to the Zenki HUD.

I have found a plug that fits in the Zenki HUD that came out of the same slot as a digital climate control from a Q45 (same as the DCC from S14)

It has 20pins total (10 on top and 10 on bottom)

Here is a pic of it;
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731568987_74e54deec1_o.jpg

Here is the back side of the plug, and as you can see it would need to be depined to be the same configuration as the plug you have taped in blue.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731618027_458cdfa7e4_o.jpg

This is the slot on the back on the Zenki HUD I'm talking about.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731472621_d04b7563b8_o.jpg

...And my plug fitting into it.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731472251_134abb1ebb_o.jpg


Now if the plug you have with the blue tape is also the same configuration as this DCC plug (10x2), then this it has to be the answer to our problem.

What is needed now isn't easy to do and may take up some time, but I've already done this for the Kouki harness, and this is to take off all of the electrical tape and trace the wires to where they originate from, while also noting the pin location of each wire and typing it up. There is an example of this already in this thread of the Kouki version.

Since there is no known translation of the full Zenki HUD wiring this information you have would solve a lot of peoples problems and would make it possible to buy a jdm Zenki HUD cluster and wire it up.

[2fast4y0u]

i still dont have a plug for mine but may be getting from a local junk yard.
i just want this thing to work.

[DFWZenki]

When i get home Ill lay the harness out and see if i can track down where the wires run to.

[DFWZenki]

Ok. A little update. Ive put together a little info on this. Not anywhere near complete but hopefully helpful. Sorry for the crappy pics but i had to use my Iphone for a camera. LOL

The plug is a 10x2 plug. I used the numbers 1-20 for the pins. Im not sure what the actual pinning is for this plug because i cant find this plug anywhere in a FSM(factory service manual). I can only find the Kouki FSM for some reason. The Zenki used a 10x2 plug, where the Kouki used a 4 pin connector.

Below is a pic of the plug for the Zenki HUD plug.
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This is the diagram i made for the Zenki HUD Plug.
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Below is a diagram i made of the USDM Zenki Cluster Plugs( M15), and JDM Cluster Plugs( M20). The only problem is i can only find a FSM with Kouki plugs (pictured below), not Zenki.
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Im not the best at wiring. Im still learning but let me know what info is needed and ill do my best to get it.
If any one knows where to find a Zenki JDM FSM, let me know. I cant find one anywhere.

[wbarrett48473]

Looks like your deffinatly getting there.

Here is where I have downloaded my last new fsm's at..

Index of /FSM/240sx (http://www.nicoclub.com/FSM/240sx)

Im kind of confused with your last pic, you mention you could only find the Kouki plugs - I might be mistaken but the Kouki non-hub cluster only has 3 plugs and the Kouki Hud cluster has 4, but your diagram has 5 plugs?

On the back of my Zenki Clusters there are the normal 3 white plugs and 1 black plug and then there is the 10x2 black plug for the HUD and then another black plug going to the HUD display.

The whole point of this is that I'm confused where the pins numbered 41-44 are located on the Zenki cluster.

Since we are just trying to splice in the HUD cluster maybe a diagram that shows for instance Pin 1(HUD) R/G goes to Pin 9(Cluster), Pin 2(HUD) Y/L goes to Pin 4(Cluster)... etc, etc. would make it easier to wire into your car.

[DFWZenki]

Ill try and get a pick of the FSM posted but it shows 4 plugs for the cluster( the group of plugs are labled M20). Pin #'s 1-40. 3 white plugs and 1 black plug. It shows the HUD plug separate but only the 4 pin Kouki plug, not the 10x2 Zenki plug. So im still on the hunt for a FSM with the 10x2 Zenki plug in it.

[2fast4y0u]

i hope i can apply all this knowledge to my kouki :)

[DFWZenki]

Yeah its starting to look like the Kouki is going to be easier to wire in because thats the only stuff i can find in an FSM. Im still tryin though for my Zenki!!! Lol

[wbarrett48473]

So im still on the hunt for a FSM with the 10x2 Zenki plug in it.

The only fsm that will have this is the actual JDM FSM that as far as I know hasn't been scanned into pdf like the Australian versions have and I've only seen them for sale on YAJ for like $300, so you will just have to make your own diagram of the 10x2 plug.

i hope i can apply all this knowledge to my kouki :)
Shouldn't be hard to get the kouki cluster going - the pin diagram for this is already on the second page of this thread, just need to find that illusive Kouki HUD plug :squint:

[2fast4y0u]

good call, managed to get 2 kouki clusters and one hud but NO plug

[DFWZenki]

Another update. I matched the pin #'s from the JDM plugs to the USDM plugs and added to the diagram.

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Pin #1- Connects to the Yellow plug behind the center console. I believe it goes to the SRS(airbag) system.
Pin #16,17,18- labled in Japanese. Not sure what these do.
Pin #19- JDM color is OR. Goes from JDM plug to JDM SMJ pin# R8. Not sure what it controls or what the USDM wire color is in this location for it to connect to. Cant find it in an US FSM.

Any questions let me know. I think this is the info needed to do this install. If more is needed i will try to get it.

I guess this is coming along well. Anyone know where i can get a Zenki HUD Cluster and a Zenki HUD Unit?

[DFWZenki]

Any updates on any of this?

[hacknik]

Any updates? Really interested

[wbarrett48473]

Sorry I have been finishing painting my car and since classes has started back up I only get to work on it during the weekends, but as soon as there is an update you can be assured I'll post it up on here.

[vtund777]

Sorry I have been finishing painting my car and since classes has started back up I only get to work on it during the weekends, but as soon as there is an update you can be assured I'll post it up on here.

I'm glad to hear you're still working on the project. Post some pics or vids when you get the chance. This is going on my things to do list.

[98_240sx_se]

sorry i have been slacking guys. some day ill get some money to work more on my 240 and try to figure out the wiring for everyone if someone doesnt beat me to it.

on a side note, i have a jdm zenki HUD cluster and jdm zenki HUD for sale.. if anyone is interested.

[hacknik]

Sorry I have been finishing painting my car and since classes has started back up I only get to work on it during the weekends, but as soon as there is an update you can be assured I'll post it up on here.

It's all good man. Hopefully you'll get back to it haha, I'm seriously thinking about doing this.

[2fast4y0u]

i havent mad any progress on mine either, as i to am painting my car and am putting all my free time into that.

[vtund777]

sorry i have been slacking guys. some day ill get some money to work more on my 240 and try to figure out the wiring for everyone if someone doesnt beat me to it.

on a side note, i have a jdm zenki HUD cluster and jdm zenki HUD for sale.. if anyone is interested.

How much for the zenki HUD cluster to 94583? Also, does it come with wiring, guage cluster, and HUD unit? Or just the HUD unit?

[KA240SX808]

There's also one of eBay with the cluster and the HUD that still has the Plug & wiring. cluster I think has pigtails. HUD Unit looks complete with wiring.

[flawlessflo3190]

anybody come up with a solution or write up yet?

[Mono]

Hi, did you wired the HUD finally ? I have the same kit but not installed yet...I wonder if the HUD will display 199km/h or what ?
And I have one more question, Can I wire the Blitz 300km/h speedo, on to that JDM HUD Cluster ?

thanks..

[98_240sx_se]

as far as i can tell the cluster itself doesnt change between hud and non hud. it has other parts either on/in it to make the hud work. so to answer your question about the blitz speedo, i would say it should work. and what wiring is there to be done for the blitz speedo? one thing to note is that the hud and hud cluster are accurate together, the blitz one might not stay true..

[wbarrett48473]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49091053976_bec8b2d7b0_o.jpg


Hard to see in this pic but on the zenki cluster there is a orange/brown plug that goes directly from the speedometer into the display computer.

So, atleast on Zenki version the speedometers are different.

As far as how high the HUD speed will display is unsure since this is still a ongoing project and as far as I know, nobody has retrofited it into their cars. The display on the HUD reads 188 so technically it could light up showing 199 km/h. I have heard of people hard wiring the S13 HUD into a S14 using just the HUD and Display computer, so I'm sure you could get it to work if you figured out the wiring.

I also thought about buying the S14 Zenki Nismo Cluster that reads 300 kh/h but its pricey and looks like it would take a lot of extra work to get it functional so opted not to.

As far as the kouki cluster I haven't pulled one apart yet to see if the speedometers are the same between HUD and non/HUD but I do know the only difference on the back of the clusters is the extra plug that comes from the bottom side of the Cluster and a few extra solder points.

Maybe next time I get a change I'll pull it apart to take pics.

anybody come up with a solution or write up yet?

There is already a pin diagram to install the kouki HUD into a kouki on the second page and it looks like the zenki verson is almost completed.

[Tafi (TR)]

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[Tafi (TR)]

Hi, did you wired the HUD finally ? I have the same kit but not installed yet...I wonder if the HUD will display 199km/h or what ?
And I have one more question, Can I wire the Blitz 300km/h speedo, on to that JDM HUD Cluster ?

thanks..

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[91es13coop]

any update on this i just bid on this for my zenki s14 Zenki JDM 200sx 240sx Head Up Display Cluster HUD - eBay (item 150561142922 end time Feb-19-11 15:50:56 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150561142922) and im hoping to get it working

[Om1kron]

Just a small update but a very important one...


I found the damn plug!!

No idea why I didn't check my Digital climate control before but one of its plugs is the exact one that I was missing.
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LOL I was about to post, if you have a spare dcc harness you should be able to use the small plug for that, it's also an oem usdm plug for the climate control.

[vtund777]

I wish Defi still made their HUD units. This is still on my list of to do items.

[2fast4y0u]

still have done nothing with mine. might sell it. Kouki cluster with hud in PERFECT condition.

[wbarrett48473]

any update on this i just bid on this for my zenki s14 Zenki JDM 200sx 240sx Head Up Display Cluster HUD - eBay (item 150561142922 end time Feb-19-11 15:50:56 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150561142922) and im hoping to get it working

I hope you saw its also $100 for shipping and the reserve hasn't been met, but that is the most complete zenki set I've seen. Wish it had the SE cluster instead.

Anyways.. no real update yet other than I found an 95' Altima HUD in the junkyard to make refrences to, but the weather is starting to get a bit warmer up here so I plan on tackling this soon.

[jserrano]

I hope you saw its also $100 for shipping and the reserve hasn't been met, but that is the most complete zenki set I've seen. Wish it had the SE cluster instead.

Anyways.. no real update yet other than I found an 95' Altima HUD in the junkyard to make references to, but the weather is starting to get a bit warmer up here so I plan on tackling this soon.

An OEM HUD was never available for the '95 Altima. Only the '93-94 Altima had them. Now its possible someone modded the '95 Altima to use a '93-'94 HUD. In that case, they've would have also had to use the '93-'94 Altima VSS as it is different from the '95 and later.

[wbarrett48473]

Classes are out for Summer so its time to finish this once and for all.

I started pulling apart the JDM Kouki dash harness and after comparing it with the zenki harness I have decided to pull the wires out of the JDM harness and splice them into the zenki.

The main reason for this was because the zenki harness has cruise control, illumination dimmer, and OBD port built into it, while the JDM harness has none of these.

I will also be taking the Digital climate control, triple-din gauge, and defrost mirrors portion of the harness out so it's going to take some time.

Since I'll be splicing the Kouki harness into the Zenki one I made an Excel sheet showing the pin diagram for the JDM Kouki cluster, the USDM Zenki cluster, and what gets spliced together.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731481881_74ab84d7dc_o.jpg

If anyone else is out there and wants to put the Kouki HUD in their Zenki all you need is the Kouki HUD cluster with Plugs and the HUD unit with it's plug. There are probably other Nissan cars that use the same plugs in case you can't find them.

And the fun begins!

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/4209/hudfun.jpg

[wbarrett48473]

Was hoping that I could just de-pin the kouki plugs and add in the zenki wires but unfortunately they didn't match. So, I tried to de-pin the side mount harnesses but those pins were different sizes as well.

Looks like this is going to take longer than I thought :bite:

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[wbarrett48473]

Small update I still haven't given up on this project! The HUD is wired in, as well as the Digital Climate Control, and triple-din gauge. Also have the old harness out of the car and just finishing up the alarm/remote start and side view mirror defrost.

Hopefully in the next few days it works. If not I think I may :wtc:

Got Wires?
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[wbarrett48473]

Almost 100% done. I still need to cut open the dash to install the bezel and put it in. Also, I need to find out why the check engine light is now on considering it wasn't on before the swap.

Oh well... here is a little sneak peak, be aware the car is being prepped for paint so it looks rough and the interior is completely torn apart right now, but at least it shows the HUD.

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[s14gmo]

bada$$ good job bro cant wait to get my rhd running no hud display for me tho :/ keep up the good work

[wbarrett48473]

Now that everything is wired up and seems to be working properly I decided it was time to fit the HUD to the dash.

Now is when I'm glad I saved my old ugly blue/green dash to play around with.

While fitting it into the dash I noticed a few problems.

The first problem is the location of the vent.

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Here it is when the vent is removed, I figured I could just get some flexible pipe to get around this, but this is what it looks like with the Kouki HUD sitting in there.
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If anyone installs the Zenki HUD they shouldn't have as much of a problem.

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/4264/s14huddash3.jpg (http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9937/s14huddash.jpg)

The next problem is on the top of the dash. AS you can see the VIN plate gets in the way, also the HUD trim will need to be formed to match the contours of the LHD dash.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1077/s14huddash4.jpg (http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9937/s14huddash.jpg)

Here is the best pic I could find of the location for the HUD. It's from someone in New Zealand ( I also tried to ask for permission for the pics but you had to be from NZ to join the forum :jerkit: )

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/5715/s14nzhud3.jpg (http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9937/s14huddash.jpg)

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He must be driving an Automatic since mine doesn't light up that portion.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8457/s14nzhud2.jpg (http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9937/s14huddash.jpg)


...getting there :wan:

[2fast4y0u]

so whats the cost going to be for me to send you my stuff and have to wire it up? :) i dont think i can tackle something like that. i have everything but the dcc plug needed to connect to the cluster.

gotta find one somewhere.

[wbarrett48473]

Wiring it up is actually really easy, but in my case I was also rewiring the digital climate control, triple-din gauge, defrost mirrors, alarm w/remote start, HUD, and Power seats w/ heat all at the same time. Also, instead of just cutting everything and splicing I de-pinned as much of the harness as possible and added fuses to the fuse panel and wires to the side mount junction box just to keep the harness tidy.

Because of this it took much more time, but for the HUD it's just a few simple splices to wires that already run to the cluster so it's not that big of a deal.

If your doing the Kouki HUD and cluster there is already a simple splicing diagram for you and the Zenki version that DFWZenki wrote should help.

Another word of advice the wire colors from the HUD pretty much splice into the same wire colors from the cluster, minus one of the blacks which is actually for the dimming function.

Also if your looking for the DCC plug head to the junk yard and you will find many Maxima, Alitima, J30, Q45s, etc.. that will have it. I cant remember off the top of my head which car had it but I'm thinking it was an older Q45.

I still need to fit the HUD trim to my dash but got caught up replacing a friends Alternator (x3) the last few days (F.U. Autozone!) but plan to tackle this tomorrow!

[wbarrett48473]

Another small update...

Well it was time to get this trim working with the LHD dash, nobody wants an dash with a big hole cut in it and a HUD sticking out, and I'm no exception.

First step I did was place the trim on a piece of copy paper and trace it out as best as possible and then marked where the "legs" were.

After I was done I taped it to my old dash and cut the pad portion off with a box cutter and some hobby knives.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7650/s14huddash5.jpg

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Here it is with just the trim sitting in there.. Doesn't look to bad.

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But, since it was made for a RHD car it wouldn't sit flush as shown below.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1365/s14huddash8.jpg

The only solution I could think up was using a heat gun to soften up the plastic and form it to the dash. (There is probably a better way but I'm I dunno)

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Done! Doesn't look bad at all to me -

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/6067/s14huddash10.jpg

..Now I need to do a little more trimming to make the HUD unit fit correctly

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/2921/s14huddash11.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4701/s14huddash12.jpg

I think its about time to throw this into the car and make sure everything looks right.

[wbarrett48473]

Looks pretty good to me so I should be ready to fit it to my black dash.

Does look like I need to get some window tint to keep it from having double vision. Also, these were cellphone pics so it actually looks much better in real life.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4841/s14huddash13.jpg

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/355/s14huddash14.jpg

[wbarrett48473]

Now that the Kouki version has been up and running good in my car I decided to start playing around with the Zenki version tonight.

Although I'm not actually hooking this up into my car I have been attempting to bench test it to see if I can get it to work.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731568862_a3e1627c1c_o.jpg
...I need a better work space :hs:


After going over DFWZenki pin diagram I hooked up all of the grounds and power wires to a 12v computer power supply and all I noticed was 2 very small bits of light coming off of the HUD display and nothing else. That is, until I unplugged the power I noticed the display flash on for a split second.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50730741953_3564745d29_o.jpg

Does anyone know what might be causing this? Do I have to have it hooked up completely with the various speed/tach/etc sensors and computer, or could it be just a simple ground/power wire misplaced.

I know its not the HUD unit itself, I tried 2 different clusters and 2 different HUD units.