Just a thought. AWD 240sx?

[Red]

I mean cmon I love AWD cars. My bro had a AWD RT_TT somthing stealth with 350+hp.. Goofy lookin car but omg we would beat ass on corners.

So what do you think? I know they have a AWD skyline with the RB25DET in it. SOOOO why not swap out the AWD into a 240sx to? Hell some coustome fab 10k and a lot of time.. You would have one hell of a beast!

Gime your thoughts?

[andrave]

cause the transmission is located in a different place, won't fit in the 240 tunnel without some massaging, the front suspension is different, the axles are in a different place...
you would basically have to take the 240 front end off... if you could do it all yourself, you could do it for probably the price of a skyline front clip, but you are talking insane amounts of technically challenging fabrication.
do a search, its been talked about a lot.
no one has done it to my knowledge, it doesn't make sense. you start with a good base car, take a clip in good shape, and after you get done with all the machine work and fabrication... well, an R-32 GTR is available from motorex for 28,000 bucks...
it would be a lot less work to take one of those and smack some 240 badges on it.
The fact is, the silvia is an awesome RWD chassis The skyline is an awesome AWD chassis.
If you want AWD it makes sense to start with the AWD chassis, for the amount of money you would spend just converting the car to AWD you could have a really nice skyline or an insanely fast RWD silvia/240sx.
Also, the skyline GTS has RB 25DET, the GTS-T has RB20det, the GTR is awd and had the RB26dett. I know there was also a version with the rb20det. I don't know if the rb25 came in an AWD car or not. any of those engines will work on the 240 with a RWD tranny.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Keep thinking....


Realisticlly it would be a waste of money, what exactly do you want an AWD car for? Do you want it for handling purposes, or just for bragging rights.


I guess for bragging rights, magazines and car shows it would be a good idea, but you would have to pay alot for a good body kit (JDM usually) and some other things to win shows.

You are better off buying an AWD car and just souping that up. Buy a talon or something and throw in an EVO engine, its basically the same concept except easier.

Or get a 2.5 RS and swap in a JDM STi engine.

RB25 in a 240 is a good thing, but if you ahve money like that, might as well rebuild a datsun and swap basically any RWD motor you want in there.

BTW I am not shooting down your idea, it is possible but to me it is a waste, but I don't care much for bragging rights and all that other stuff.

[boro240]

the RB25DET came AWD in the GTS-4. alot more trouble than its worth IMHO.

[Red]

Originally posted by andrave
well, an R-32 GTR is available from motorex for 28,000 bucks...
it would be a lot less work to take one of those and smack some 240 badges on it.

http://www.motorex.net/m_uspricing.html

yep 28,000 bucks for a 1994 R-32 GT-S ohh but wait whats this!

http://www.motorex.net/conversion.html\

Another 16,000 to make it streat leagal!

Nah I think I'll stick with the AWD 240sx kthx.

[kuruptR]

pulsar GTi-R motor, fwd mounted, wit the 4wd tranny and front suspension... would would work alright.

[Anubis]

just use ur bro's car if its that good :D

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by Red
http://www.motorex.net/m_uspricing.html

yep 28,000 bucks for a 1994 R-32 GT-S ohh but wait whats this!

http://www.motorex.net/conversion.html\

Another 16,000 to make it streat leagal!

Nah I think I'll stick with the AWD 240sx kthx.

You've got their pricing structure wrong.

The prices on that first page are prices of fully US legalized cars, out the door, INCLUDING conversion. The prices on the second page are for conversion only, meaning you buy your own car in Japan and ship it yourself. You can save a lot of money this way... Find a clean '95 GT-R in Japan for less than $25k and you're making out ahead.

I hate how they say "GT-S"... I asked them about it, they mean GTS-t when they say that... making sure 'cause a plain GTS is an RB20DE... 160hp! Still, I wonder if they could get a GTS-4 (RB20DET AWD). That'd be the cheapest way to get into an AWD Skyline... as little as $18000 by that price list.

But a GT-R would still be the better way to go, really.

[ichiro]

i know of people who will swap an RB26DETT and convert to AWD, all for about $12000 - parts and labor

[Red]

Thats not to bad if you think about it..

12k for swap and AWD
4-8k for a good 240sx

so 16-20k you have AWD 240sx with.. 250hp?

[ichiro]

ya, but dont expect it to be as reliable as a stock awd car. id rather just swap in a motor and leave it rwd and invest money into mods

[Anubis]

Originally posted by Red
Thats not to bad if you think about it..

12k for swap and AWD
4-8k for a good 240sx

so 16-20k you have AWD 240sx with.. 250hp?

I don't think your being realistic. Sure it sounds easy, but it gonna get it in the ass half way through the project when you run out of money, can't get parts, find out your JDM stuff is half broken and have a half finished butchered 240 with a somewhat complete skyline drivetrain just sitting on jackstands waiting to die.

[SimpleS14]

It's possible......but not worth it. RWD is one of the features that makes the 240SX a fun car to drive.


I rather get an Audi S4 or WRX STi (when it comes out).

[some guy]

If someone can do it for $12k, it's not a bad idea. You will be the first one who has a AWD 240SX in the US. ;) I think Trust(?) or HKS(?) attempted to make a 4wd RB26DETT, but I don't know if they did it or not.

[Red]

Grrr. I hate new cars.

I went to the car show in portland and it was nice.

I have proplems being 6'4" and 220lbs

Honda S2000. Knees hit dash. cant drive
Audi AWD TT. same. I dont fit
Toyota MR2. Tuna can. Lmao no way
My friends Porsche. I fit but cant shift, Shifter hits my knee.

Its this way in many more cars.

I wanted a Audi TT. But that was shaterd when I got stuck.

No i'm not fat. Just a big guy. :)

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by Red
Grrr. I hate new cars.

I went to the car show in portland and it was nice.

I have proplems being 6'4" and 220lbs

Honda S2000. Knees hit dash. cant drive
Audi AWD TT. same. I dont fit
Toyota MR2. Tuna can. Lmao no way
My friends Porsche. I fit but cant shift, Shifter hits my knee.

Its this way in many more cars.

I wanted a Audi TT. But that was shaterd when I got stuck.

No i'm not fat. Just a big guy. :)
ROFL!!!!

Our carsare designed for people under 5'11 on avg. I'm 6'1" 165 and I have difficulties sometimes (depending on sunroof/moonroof or base, S13 or S14.

AWD 240 is a waste of time. Things NEVER cost what is anticipated. There are so many hidden things you will encounter. Besides that the output shafts from the FWD portion of the tranny won't line up, and HOW ARE YOU PLANNING ON ATTACHING HALF SHAFTS??? The 240 front strut designs makes the mounting bracket hang too low. You also have to take into account the tie rods, making sure they have ample room to move. Ok, here it is: To get a nicely modified S14 you are looking at 6k for the car (zenki) plus an easy 6k in mods. 12k. Then you say that guy will do a swap and conversion for 12k? hmm good luck, but lets say this is so. 12k. total now: 24k. hmm... That Skyline looks a little more inviting now. And its hELLa moRe jDm pOiNtZ, yO.
Keep the 240sx RWD, that is its strong point. I bet I could take my 240 out with your bro's car and walk all over it. Use your money for modifications, and get some good suspension parts and wide wheels/tires, pluse a KAT or SR and you have a GTR beater anyway. :rolleyes:

[SimpleS14]

Originally posted by Red
No i'm not fat. Just a big guy. :)

I dunno man...the way your describing everything.....you sound quite porky. :D (j/k)

[ca18guy]

Take the ka24e and 4wd tranny out of a old pathfinder and put them in old S13. Then Jack it up with a lift kit and I think that would be a killer off-roading machine :D I would actually take up off-roading if I had one of those! :cool:

[Maeda]

the crazies at RE Amemiya made an AWD FC o.O

but thats RE Amemiya... so same rules apply... if you chuck enough money at something....

sounds neat though but i have no idea why you'd toss RWD when its so much fun!

[mrmephistopheles]

I kicked around the idea of utilizing the drivetrain from a KA-powered 4wd hardbody and slapping into a 240 somehow, but when the realization came that A.) it would'nt be like the ATTESA-ETS like the GTR and B.) it'd cost WAAAAAAY more to fab than simply dropping in an SR I chucked the idea.
It's an interesting idea, but in the end, for dreamers only. It's a worthless conversion, considering the multitude of turbocharged, awd vehicles out there.

[the head]

another issue is weight IMO on of the 240's benefits is that it is rather light if you add an AWD system from the skyline it will add a decent amount of weight to the car look at the wieght on a skyline and the weight on an s13 yes the skyline is a bigger car but it's driveline still contributes to alot of the weight of the car

[gohan_senshi]

Originally posted by AKADriver
You've got their pricing structure wrong.

The prices on that first page are prices of fully US legalized cars, out the door, INCLUDING conversion. The prices on the second page are for conversion only, meaning you buy your own car in Japan and ship it yourself. You can save a lot of money this way... Find a clean '95 GT-R in Japan for less than $25k and you're making out ahead.

I hate how they say "GT-S"... I asked them about it, they mean GTS-t when they say that... making sure 'cause a plain GTS is an RB20DE... 160hp! Still, I wonder if they could get a GTS-4 (RB20DET AWD). That'd be the cheapest way to get into an AWD Skyline... as little as $18000 by that price list.

But a GT-R would still be the better way to go, really.

My friend has a R32 GT-R and he bought it for 6 grand. You can pick up a GTST-4 for 3-4 grand easily. I know you guys aren't in Japan so it's not that easy for you to get your hands on one but I am just showing you how much the mark them up.

[S13Grl]

Some of you may remember Fatman Racing... The guy who owned the place closed up shop and bought an older Pulsar and bought the bluebird motor for it and ran 13.something with the stock drivetain (might have had it while he still had the shop, I can't remember). Then he started buying the awd drivetrain parts. In a little while, his GTI-R swap will be completely finished. It's taken months and months. Waiting for parts, parts not coming in at all, all kinds of stuff happening, a huuge hassle. After about 6 months, he's still not done. Almost there though. The one thing I can say, because of the lightweight chassis of the pulsar and the fact that the GTI-R drivetrain was designed to fit that chassis is that it's worth it. Why not. He did all the work himself (granted he's a genius and had the fastest N/A 240 that anyone's ever heard of that he didn't pay anyone else to build).
So, yeah... all in all... for a fun AWD car, buy an old pulsar, swap in the transverse SR20 and get the GTI-R drivetrain and half the powertrain and it will pay off. Or, buy an old AWD 200SX and swap in the SR ;) Ugly-ass fast car. The skyline components are just so damn heavy (the skyline itself is a something like a 5,000lb car, iirc) it might just make it feel like a waste of time. But don't listen to me, I'm a girl...

[Red]

Your only 100 lbs? :eek:



Anyways it was just a lame idea. Not like I can shell out the $$ that I would need for this.




(I was going to say something witty here. But then I realized i'm not, at least today)

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally posted by S13Grl
But don't listen to me, I'm a girl...
*scoffs* :rolleyes: What do you know? You're a girl! Get in the kitchen and make Mark some pie!
:D :D :D :D

[GotDriftS14]

RWD is better than AWD anyway, unless you are gonna rally or something. anything with power at the front wheels is gonna understeer, and understeer is for the ghey.

[russian]

things to do with 10 grand towards AWD:

3500$ S14 sr20det, **** AWD

Remaininng 6500$ i would blow on beer and liquor and fun.

[Strider]

you mean beer, vokda, lotto tickets and the local strip bar :)

[russian]

yea... EXACTLY:)

except, for the strip bar, you can go to bars/clubs blow money, and not only see tities but actually get some :)

[andrave]

skyline isn't 5,000 lb car its more like a 3,500 lb car.

[S13Grl]

You're right, my bad. I remember that Sport Compact Car bragged that it was ridiculously heavy car when they did their competition, if any of you remember. They had an R33, I think.

[240Stilo]

No offense but....that's stupid. THE END.

[Nismos14]

Originally posted by 240Stilo
No offense but....that's stupid. THE END. care to elaborate?? :confused:

[240Stilo]

As people said before, you might as well buy a car that is AWD from the get go rather than custom fabricating a bunch of stuff that, in the end, might not work 100%. But then again he has the money and as the old saying goes, "easy come easy go."

[Nismos14]

Originally posted by 240Stilo
As people said before, you might as well buy a car that is AWD from the get go rather than custom fabricating a bunch of stuff that, in the end, might not work 100%. But then again he has the money and as the old saying goes, "easy come easy go." thats true, but if he starts a project and can't finish it.. its on him right? and he wants it... so let him do it.. if he comes back complaining then we know we were right, otherwise hes gonna make some of us jealous lol