An evil plan, my new idea for a drift setup.

[Zemus]

Alright, so its not going to be to evil, just sit back and listen. (Also just so you know, I need to save for all this, im not like you lucky bastards who are like "Oh yea, I bought my car a week ago and just sank 50 freaking million dollors into it") Well anyways...

here is the plan. My parents dont want my car to be a drift car, they know what drifting is and they dont like it, so i have to find a way to set my car up for drift without them knowing.

Plan part 1: Titled Project Make my car turn

My rack and pinnion steering is going out right, So i just hookmyself up with some s14 aftermarket tierods and a Hicas Steering rack, and i get much better steering. Hence making my handeling just a bit better.

Plan part 2: Titled Make my car handle

Not only is my rack going out but my front shock is leaking. So I told my dad about how used front coilovers are on ebay from time to time because ppl just find them on front clips and sell them (Ive seen on occastions HKS to Teins going for like 150 bucks, in good condition). And then while i get those, I get new struts in the back, some nice ones, with lowering springs just in the back. So i have coilovers in the front and lowering springs and struts in the back (ofcourse the struts will be damper controlled)

Plan part 3: Titled Project Mesh

This project is easly, my dad said I need new rear tires and say I burn thought them like crazy, so i go to the junk yard, pick up some nice 16" mesh (16x7, and yes ive already found them, they have a HUGE lip, yum) and bolt those on the back, and run my 15x7 AR rims in the front. So i have 4 AR rims and 4 meshes so that I always have a extra set, just incase.

Plan part 4: Titled Make my car not have massive freaking body roll

My friend is working on creating some strut tower bars, he said their not difficult to make, and they would work great, so i can get them for near to nothing, which would rock. Help with some of that massive stock body roll. But still have enought for me to sway my car into a drift. And my parents wouldent even know, or care atleast.

Plan part 5: Titled Make my car drift, better

Plain and freaking simple, this will be the mod i want the most, but the hardest to convince the parentals to let me get, you called it, LSD. I am getting Nismo SSS or somthing along that lines, I want the best, im not going to go the route of getting VLSD then a another and then getting SSS, im going strait for the big mama. But I have to find a way to get 900$s without my parents noticing will be the hardest part, maybe by then I will have some graduation money to spend on LSD. I want this mod first, but I dont think its going to happen anytime soon :-/ very sad. And the thing is, my dad is a mechanic and he isent stupid, he knows what LSD is, and he knows how it will alow me to drift better, thats why he dosent want me to have it.

Well thats my plan, rip on me, critizie me, comment, Some of it might sound stupid, but i feel it would be the best setup for me, it would fix everything that is currently breaking, wearing out and all that jazz. And fix everything that screws me up while drifting (which include: opendiff, to much body roll, suspention making creepy noises, ect ect)

So for me, in my current situation, i feel this is the best, and the plan my parents would like the best, so thanks for your time, and please comment.

-Matt

[AKADriver]

Part 2 should be titled "make my car understeer". Stiff coilovers up front plus soft lowering springs in the rear... that's what you'll get.

Strut tower bars don't help roll, they just square up the chassis. You need sway bars or stiff springs for roll control.

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by Oni
and the plan my parents would like the best, so thanks for your time

Are you sure your parents wouldn't like it if you listened to them?
-Jeff

[Zemus]

Originally posted by Jeff240sx
Are you sure your parents wouldn't like it if you listened to them?
-Jeff

They said i can mod it if its somthing that already needs to be fixed, and all these things are current problems that my car is having. My dad says "Why replace somthing that works fine" thats his problem with the LSD

Originally posted by AKADriver
Part 2 should be titled "make my car understeer". Stiff coilovers up front plus soft lowering springs in the rear... that's what you'll get.

Strut tower bars don't help roll, they just square up the chassis. You need sway bars or stiff springs for roll control.

Humm, ic, couldent i just get stiff lowering springs, once that are as stiff as the coilover ones? And your right about the not helping body roll, i just thought about it, heh, I guess he my buddy could work on making me a slighly thicker sway bar, we will see.

[DuffMan]

Find a way to blow out your stock diff then :D .

But yeah, coilovers in front and springs/shocks in back wont work well at all.

[Zemus]

Originally posted by DuffMan
Find a way to blow out your stock diff then :D .

But yeah, coilovers in front and springs/shocks in back wont work well at all.

Good plan, but i bet he wouldent let me get a 900$ upgrade.

And yea ive seen 86s do it, how do they pull it off and 240s cant?

[Dousan_PG]

sigh..
man, your way off this is what you need to do:

part 1: Car Turning
you want the turning?
get Tein Hard tie rods and endlinks. you'll get more counter. retail is $80 on each. you need the endlinks w/ the hard rods together. cant use stock endlinks w/ tein rods.
i'll have a full writeup on theinstall in the coming month (by end of april)

part 2: Suspension
suspension
get shocks and springs. reduces body roll to a 'bearable' amount. you still have lots of time to perfect weight transfers, as it is much harder to learn on stiff suspension. when you master that takumi, then get coilovers.

part 3: mesh
doent matter what wheels you have. this is a waste of money. its not about the bling factor its how you can control your car. dont waste money on this junk.

part 4: body roll
see part 2

part 5: drift car improvement (general)
LSD
or VLSD





final thoughts:

oni, your still open diff.
your wasting your time.
get a LSD or VLSD.
its obvious you dont have the money.
so dont waste money on crumby useless wheels for the bling
factor and get a decent differential.


stop wasting time and money and stop dreaming. buy the one thing you lack and is most important to ANY drifter. get your priorities straight if you want to succeed/improve and take it to the next level.

[Zemus]

see dousan its alot harder than just getting the LSD, im still 18, going to school soon, and I know i need LSD, if i had a choice and I dident need Struts, Steering Rack and Tires, LSD would be on my #1, but right now. I need to get my car working right before i get LSD, and i thought, why not go aftermarket with it. Why replace with stock parts, when for a little bit more i can go aftermarket and make my car ready for the day i have money for the diff. For you, im sure you have the money for all of this stuff, I dont have 900$s laying around for a great LSD, and no, i dont want VLSD, but i might have to sacrifice.

-The strut tower thing is somthing i can do for free, just so you all know that.

-The rack and pin on a hicas is less expensive from what I can see, and is not as worn in the junkyard, becuase it isent used as much as a front rack and pin. It needs to be replaced, thats once of my first priotity.

- The wheels, I can get them for like 50$s, with tires, thats less than 4 new tires, im going to need tires, why not get some rims with it.

- I guess i could just go 4 new struts, and lowering springs, that would work i guess.

Thats why i said for ppl to comment, i am still learning about stuff, i just need to find a way to work around my parents retared rules.

Most of you dont have to do this, so you dont know how it is.

[Dousan_PG]

buy stock rack
the extra or faster steering isnt necessary. if you know how to flick the wheel right its pretty fast and you'll get that car sideways faster then you can think. it just takes practice. most people just use stock rack.

you dont need the rims. use that money to the LSD fund.
drifting is harsh. yeah you get those new tires
but because of your open diff (ugh) you snap oversteer into a curb. there goes those fancy wheels. wheels are waste of money.


I guess i could just go 4 new struts, and lowering springs, that would work i guess.

sounds good
get a summer job. you can have that LSD in no time. a vlsd at least. if you are on a budget, its better then nothing. i know some local drifter who drifts for a certain company that rocks the VLSD on his personal car when he goes drifting. no complaints. of course LSD is faster, but VLSD is better then OSD

[Chokets]

your plan is evil, obey your parents, they usually know what's best for you. You should be happy your dad doesn't want you drifting, he cares about you and doesn't want you to get hurt!

[Zemus]

Originally posted by Chokets
your plan is evil, obey your parents, they usually know what's best for you. You should be happy your dad doesn't want you drifting, he cares about you and doesn't want you to get hurt!


haha, no, bah

and dousan, i guess it sounds like a plan, i guess i could get VLSD, and a stock rack i guess will do, and what kind of struts would you recomend? The only problem with getting new struts is, i will have to now save for springs which arent currently broken, which is why i wanted front coilovers because atleast i could get rid of SOME of the front wheel gap, it isent as bad in the back, but i guess ill just save.

[AKADriver]

The reason AE86 guys can do it - they have a solid rear axle, so they have to. Their rear coil springs aren't mounted on the rear dampers so they can't use a "coilover" damper. The AE86 aftermarket has responded with very stiff rear coil springs designed to match the front coilovers.

If you want stiff springs for the rear only, I think Ground Control can supply you with a pair of Eibach ERS springs that'll work. You may or may not need their adjustable lower perch to fit them.

[DuffMan]

Just a thought, what about that phantom grip thingy as cheap temorary solution to the open diff. I think they are very cheap and a few people have said they like them for drifting purposes.

[AKADriver]

Phantom Grip should work, since it basically acts as a clutch type LSD.

They're ~$300 I think

[Zemus]

well ill need Dousans imput on that kind Phantom Grip LSD, i hear its ok, but i need his imput

[Foxcolt]

Originally posted by AKADriver
Phantom Grip should work, since it basically acts as a clutch type LSD.

They're ~$300 I think

I'd reccomend against the phantom grip...from what I've seen/heard it looks like a ghetto way to rig yourself up a LSD. With that kind of money you'd be better off with a stockie VLSD.

[Dousan_PG]

yeah i heard phantom grip works well. mattback on FA put on on his s13 and no complaints yet. its worth a shot!

oni: look into someone's old shock spring setup
i say AGX is are very nice for the price. and good stiff damper too.
agx and sportline or Tein springs are worth.

wheel gap.
who cares?
you are seriously caught up in LOOKS
drifting is about driver control, not how cool your car looks
i have more respect for a guy who can drift great w/ a ugly car then a guy who drifts horribly in a nice, built car.

its about the driver. if you are caught up in looks, drifting isnt for you because when you hit a curb w/ that $500+ dollar bumper it is now worth about 10 bucks.

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by Oni
well ill need Dousans imput on that kind Phantom Grip LSD, i hear its ok, but i need his imput

Ok. People who have never used a phantom grip LSD suggest it, and instead of researching on FA for any of the people that actually have it installed, you NEED to hear from ANOTHER person that has never used one.
Dousan.. I think you're an idol now :blush:
-Jeff

[AKADriver]

Originally posted by Foxcolt
I'd reccomend against the phantom grip...from what I've seen/heard it looks like a ghetto way to rig yourself up a LSD. With that kind of money you'd be better off with a stockie VLSD.

Well.. it is!

But it does work. Mattback on FA likes it, some people I know with other cars (non-240SX) like it.

It's no great shakes, it's not going to be as all-around good as a proper aftermarket LSD. It'll be much faster acting than a VLSD though, which makes it worth a shot.

I won't get one for my car, only because I don't want the action of a clutch LSD... but for drift... should be good.

[Zemus]

Originally posted by dousan36
yeah i heard phantom grip works well. mattback on FA put on on his s13 and no complaints yet. its worth a shot!

oni: look into someone's old shock spring setup
i say AGX is are very nice for the price. and good stiff damper too.
agx and sportline or Tein springs are worth.

wheel gap.
who cares?
you are seriously caught up in LOOKS
drifting is about driver control, not how cool your car looks
i have more respect for a guy who can drift great w/ a ugly car then a guy who drifts horribly in a nice, built car.

its about the driver. if you are caught up in looks, drifting isnt for you because when you hit a curb w/ that $500+ dollar bumper it is now worth about 10 bucks.

If you have seen my car, you would no i care **** about looks, my paint is faded, i have dings and **** EVERYWERE, i have a big black skuff on my bumper, theirs a huge dent in my fender, and my front bumper is cracked due to hitting a fire hydrant. I just thought haveing less wheel gap, which means the car will be lower, would not only make it look nicer, it would make it handle better cuz it is lower to the ground

[Dousan_PG]

i still say stock suspension maybe stock springs w/ aftermarket (agx?) shocks
dorifto learned that way and does fine.

u learn a lot stock setup.
when you get a LSD/VLSD/Phantom grip you'll be learing again (in a sense)

you can do great w/ stock. yeah youll have body roll but if your weight transfer techniques are good, you'll do fine.

also w/ the upcoming drift events, i think you'll need that "spring money" spent on track fees :)

[sykikchimp]

Why not try to get your parents involved?? Tell them your going to professionally run events with safety crews, and tons of knowledgable people. Heck.. ask them to come out and watch!

Get them excited about what your doing, or at least get them to understand how excited it makes you.

If your parents still have control over your situation, don't work around them. it will be better if they are HELPING you.



anyways.. IF I was in your shoes..

I would just buy a replacement strut, and steering rack from a Junkyard.. and then get a VLSD from a junkyard..
$300-400, you actually have the equipment to learn to drift properly...

[blatch]

My mom knows I'm spending $1000 on my wheels and tires and $1000 on my Coilovers. What a contrast.

I suppose I should get an LSD, but I don't want one right now. I don't drift.

[mrmephistopheles]

Stop leeching off of mommy & daddy and earn your own sh1t. I'd feel like a loser if I was at a track event, someone complimented me on my suspension or whatever, and I say 'yeah, my parents bought it for me.'
Keep in mind, that while they control the money you're given, they can pretty well control you. You're 18. It's time to get your own life! :D

[Zemus]

Originally posted by mrmephistopheles
Stop leeching off of mommy & daddy and earn your own sh1t. I'd feel like a loser if I was at a track event, someone complimented me on my suspension or whatever, and I say 'yeah, my parents bought it for me.'
Keep in mind, that while they control the money you're given, they can pretty well control you. You're 18. It's time to get your own life! :D

ha are you kidding me, ive had a job sence i was 15, i havent been given money since i was 8, I bought my car on my own, ive maintanced my car on my own, with my dads mechanical help. I have payed for everything in my life, so dont every say that, im proud to say ive pay for everthing for my car.

The reason my parents are involved is because they dont want me to spend my money cuz they want me to save for insurance, which they want me to pay yearly... which is stupid. Thats why i need to work around my parents

And sykikchimp, i like your plan, but i like the idea of Phantom Grip LSD, it looks kinda nice, and its tunable, which i like, im going to read into it, so i will depate over that, it will be that or VLSD or the PG one.

But one question what would you get for struts

-Tokico Adjustable
-Kyb Adjustable

Or somthing else, for your personal pref.

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by Oni
The reason my parents are involved is because they dont want me to spend my money cuz they want me to save for insurance, which they want me to pay yearly... which is stupid. Thats why i need to work around my parents

Aww.. someone has to pay their own insurance.
Get over it man, and eat frickin Ramen noodles and save like the rest of us, instead of pulling a con-job on your parents, and asking a bunch of people who pay for everything themselves how to get free cash.
-Jeff

[Chokets]

HERE-HERE!

[Zemus]

Originally posted by Jeff240sx
Aww.. someone has to pay their own insurance.
Get over it man, and eat frickin Ramen noodles and save like the rest of us, instead of pulling a con-job on your parents, and asking a bunch of people who pay for everything themselves how to get free cash.
-Jeff

wtf... ive had to pay my insurance since i have had a car.... I dident just start, i guess you cant read cuz as i stated before, i have had to pay for everything, since i was young, im used to it, but they just dont want me to mod my car, thats what i comes down to.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by Oni
ha are you kidding me, ive had a job sence i was 15, i havent been given money since i was 8, I bought my car on my own, ive maintanced my car on my own, with my dads mechanical help. I have payed for everything in my life, so dont every say that, im proud to say ive pay for everthing for my car.

but im sure they pay for your home you live in, the food you eat, the clothes you wear and school....

its cool you want to fix your car, but you dont sneak around the people who support you.

if you can fix as much as you want to make it 'drift' worthy then you'll probably have to wait until you are 100% independent.

as parents say

"you live in my house, you live under my rules"


fix your car to running decent condition first, discuss with them your plans and go from there. maybe they dont help you or want it because they dont understand 100% what you want to do with your car. communication has to be open.


edit: side note. when i was 18 i moved out of my parents. i havent asked for money since, im 24 and 100% independent.

18 yrs old, imho, is time to head on out into the world and be independent. as Jeff240sx said, eat ramen. i remember eating ramen, toasted bread and water for a steady year to afford insurance, gas and rent in a tiny 1 bedroom apartment w/ my friend. working at blockbuster hahaa...ahhh the memories...


i have had to pay for everything, since i was young
c'mon, please dont exaggerate. your saying you bought your own clothes, paid for your own food and gave parents money for mortage since young? i guess christmas was pretty crappy for gifts huh?

[sykikchimp]

BAH.. I think he's saying they want him to pay YEARLY instead of every 6 months.. I don't really understand that either..

I saw if your parents are willing to pay for your insurance, and your not living on your own, and you don't mind the little bit of leverage it affords them.. let them pay it. So what.. guys only 18. When your 18, you need all the monatary help you can get.

If your parents start to use the leverage, and you don't want them to.. get your own policy.. but why "look a gift horse in the mouth???"

[Zemus]

Originally posted by dousan36
but im sure they pay for your home you live in, the food you eat, the clothes you wear and school....

its cool you want to fix your car, but you dont sneak around the people who support you.

if you can fix as much as you want to make it 'drift' worthy then you'll probably have to wait until you are 100% independent.

as parents say

"you live in my house, you live under my rules"


fix your car to running decent condition first, discuss with them your plans and go from there. maybe they dont help you or want it because they dont understand 100% what you want to do with your car. communication has to be open.


edit: side note. when i was 18 i moved out of my parents. i havent asked for money since, im 24 and 100% independent.

18 yrs old, imho, is time to head on out into the world and be independent. as Jeff240sx said, eat ramen. i remember eating ramen, toasted bread and water for a steady year to afford insurance, gas and rent in a tiny 1 bedroom apartment w/ my friend. working at blockbuster hahaa...ahhh the memories...



c'mon, please dont exaggerate. your saying you bought your own clothes, paid for your own food and gave parents money for mortage since young? i guess christmas was pretty crappy for gifts huh?

No, i mean i they never gave me cash, which i totaly understand, and im not complaining, but everyone is acting like i was handed everything, i was just saying thats false. I respect my parents to the point when it comes to my car. They dont understand and they wont, they think its the stupidst thing ever, #1 my dad is a muscle car nut, or atleast was when he was young, and he doesnt understand me wanted to drift, or go fast in general, i guess he was one of those Slow driving car ppl, that modded for looks not go. So anything to do with speed or racing he thinks is compleatly retarded, and im 18, but i graduate in June. so that why im not on my own yet, once i go to colloge i will even have less money, so I want to get a few things before I am knee deep in dept.

And thank you sykikchimp for translating, they want me to pay year by year, which would be good if i had extra cash you know, but i dont.

[Dousan_PG]

ah ok

then i suggest you sit down with your dad and talk about it. for the next drift event or whatever (even autox would be a great place-general car control skills-and time trials) show him what you like. take him with you. maybe he'll understand. maybe he'll be more willling to help out and modify it. i know of a fellow board member who's dad is getting into as well (he knows who he is)

anyways, maybe they just dont understand (parents just dont understand) so as sykikchimp said, show them!! take them w/ you.

of course you'll probably have to lay off the street practice possibly. but then again its a trade off. being sneaky (and possibly losing car privlidges completely) or being open and honest and getting their support.

id go for the latter.

[Zemus]

Originally posted by dousan36
ah ok

then i suggest you sit down with your dad and talk about it. for the next drift event or whatever (even autox would be a great place-general car control skills-and time trials) show him what you like. take him with you. maybe he'll understand. maybe he'll be more willling to help out and modify it. i know of a fellow board member who's dad is getting into as well (he knows who he is)

anyways, maybe they just dont understand (parents just dont understand) so as sykikchimp said, show them!! take them w/ you.

of course you'll probably have to lay off the street practice possibly. but then again its a trade off. being sneaky (and possibly losing car privlidges completely) or being open and honest and getting their support.

id go for the latter.

yea ive talked to them and i got them to kind of understand, but they say i cant aford it right now, but ill just have to see how it works out, my dad just said i could get the struts and the rack and pin, which is good i guess, now to save for the LSD. And they dont mind that i do it at the course i do it at, cuz they know their are no curbs. I brought my dad one night to a Saturday Night car gathering thing, and he understood it more, but still thinks its foolish.

Also they respect my car, and they would never take it away, and they dont want to drive me everywhere.

[DoriftoSlut]

Ok, I totally understand where Oni is coming from. But I also understand where everyone else is coming from too:

I turned 19 in December (~5 months ago). Since I was 16, i was paying for everything about my car on my own (except my frist car, which was a gift, but when the bitch in the Suburban hit me, I didn't get the insurance money (even thought I was paying for insurance<-- needless to say there were more than a few arguments over that.:rolleyes: ) Anyway, i bought my S14 when i was 17, and learned how to drift RWD in it. Stock. Everything stock. That is the way to go IMO. Excuse me for being on a high horse, but I got, imo, very good at drifting and all I had was a stock 95 SE 5 speed. I sold my S14 (Open diff was starting to go, too! hahha!) and started my S13 project with that money and the money i had been saving. Now I have ~$10k in a beater car and turned it into a 'drift monster' so to speak. I did not have some insanely high paying job (i did to get the car kinda), I just knew my goals and researched. A lot. I would keep your car stock. Forget about the wheels until you can get soemthing you really want. Learn how to "out-drift" a stock set up, because after that, everything will a.)make more sense, and b.)be a lot easier cause you know exactly what you are doing.

Anyone can do what i did. I did not get a $90/hr job or anything like that. Senior year of highschool I had 3 jobs. Sporting goods store retail, Liquor store clerk, Skatepark Instructor. I didn't go out and spend a lot of money on unnecessary things (im not saying you are).

Anyway, I desperately wanted to mod the S14 when I first had it, but when driving the car, it needed nothing. Sure things could have been replaced here and there, but besides tires, i didn't do anything, and I am glad of it.

After this first year of college, it has made me a lot more consious on money spending etc.. I go thrift store shopping (girls actually LOVE those clothes on guys), I look for deals in the supermarket, I don't dine out all that much, I eat ramen and burritos and pizza like it is my job.

basically all through that sh*t of a post, I would say STAY stock (get LSD eventually) b/c learning on that is much more benneficial. Also, bodyroll will teach you about weight transfer, and how to break an open diff car loose and spin both wheels and ebrake technique and shiftlock, etc etc. You will be more advanced to learn on a ****ty setup. Then when you have enough for coilovers, get them. Get used ones, get used 15's, etc etc... Don't **** your parents off. in 5 months it wont be worth it, trust me. it seems big now, but it isn't. Just wait. Just wait.

Oh and for lower CG just cut your springs. No joke. i have seen insane drifters on sh**ty blown shocks and cut springs. Better than guys with full $1600 coilovers and no skill.

[Zemus]

Wow you totaly know were im comming from, My first car was a gift (no not the 240) and i got hit also, again, not getting any money. Yea, ive had my car for a year, and i have to say im decent for having open diff, i can use most of the techs other than Ebrake (Mine is broke, need a 120$ cable). And ive been practicing ever sence i have gotten the car, and i just want LSD. And i dident know cutting your springs was good, I thought it was AWFUL, humm ill consiter it...

Thanks for talking to me about this, your imput really helped. You know were im comming from, thanks

[DoriftoSlut]

Disclaimer: cutting your springs is not good. Neither is blown shocks. Nor a high ride height. It is my own personal experience that I would rather have cut springs on stock shocks than healthy stock ride height ettc... I don't like springs and shock combos unless you are kinda half-assed about drifting. If you are serious, or plan to be, save for coilovers. And explain to your parents the benefits in a real-world situation of learning to drift and car control, etc...

i would save for LSD. Learn on open diff. Cut your springs. Save for LSD. Get the side brake fixed, buy coilovers in a couplke months of practice... Start from there, imo. Footworks in the most important thing for drift.

[sykikchimp]

doh.. nevermind.. dorifto clarified for Oni. no need to translate.

[Dousan_PG]

i think dorifto is referring to our friend, driftingpanda

he actually rocks intrax springs actually w/ 4 blown shocks (yes all 4 blown)
he drifts the pants off guys w/ coilovers (including me)

i know another guy w/ cut springs as well (took a few sets to get it JUUUUST RIGHT) who drifts well too (uses vlsd).

learned stock too, open diff and all.

a fancy suspension doesnt mean anything if the driver sucks.

[Zemus]

Thanks for the advice guys, atleast i know someone knows where im comming from :-D

[DoriftoSlut]

I was also talking about my friend Keeks in Hawaii. Crazy good cause he learned on stock with cut springs, etc... I think he only mods (besides bodykit) were rims, welded diff, and big exhaust. Now his has SR and upgraded suspension, but he can, could, and would drift the pants off of most people I saw at the event 03/02/03.

[Zemus]

Originally posted by dousan36
i think dorifto is referring to our friend, driftingpanda

he actually rocks intrax springs actually w/ 4 blown shocks (yes all 4 blown)
he drifts the pants off guys w/ coilovers (including me)

i know another guy w/ cut springs as well (took a few sets to get it JUUUUST RIGHT) who drifts well too (uses vlsd).

learned stock too, open diff and all.

a fancy suspension doesnt mean anything if the driver sucks.

Yea i know this one kid who just bought a 240 and just got HKS coilovers and SSS Nismo LSD, and he said he wont drift his car till he gets all that, and i laffed and I told him i have been drifting with a totaly stock car, for 1 year, then i showed him what i could do with open diff, and i dont think he could do that with even SSS LSD and Coilovers.

[Dousan_PG]

OOOOOOOOH!
i forgot all about welded diff! that's your cheap LSD oni!! just becareful in drive thrus, u turns and low speed turns hahaha
but definately another cheap option!

hks and nismo wont make a better drifter..obviously, weall know that haha..too funny that kid.


your better off fixing your steering rack and replacing your blown shock(s), welding your diff, and you'll rock his socks :D

i wish i had a second s13, i'd do that
weld diff
cut springs

that's it! :)

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by Oni
Yea i know this one kid who just bought a 240 and just got HKS coilovers and SSS Nismo LSD, and he said he wont drift his car till he gets all that, and i laffed and I told him i have been drifting with a totaly stock car, for 1 year, then i showed him what i could do with open diff, and i dont think he could do that with even SSS LSD and Coilovers.
Get a girl to slip him a roofie in his drink, then swap diff's with him and yank his coilovers. Tell her to curl up next to him wearing minimal clothing (depends on how prude this chick is). When he wakes up and finds the chick naked (or whatever), she tells him how "good" he was last night. He won't remember **** and take her word for it. Or you can replace the chick with a guy, and he will think some funny business happenend and you threaten to tell everyone (get pictures while he is passed out) unless he allows you to keep the stuff you snagged from his ride.

[Zemus]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
Get a girl to slip him a roofie in his drink, then swap diff's with him and yank his coilovers. Tell her to curl up next to him wearing minimal clothing (depends on how prude this chick is). When he wakes up and finds the chick naked (or whatever), she tells him how "good" he was last night. He won't remember **** and take her word for it. Or you can replace the chick with a guy, and he will think some funny business happenend and you threaten to tell everyone (get pictures while he is passed out) unless he allows you to keep the stuff you snagged from his ride.

HAHAHAHAAH, he is my friend, he is just kinda noob, he bought the stuff before i became friends with him.

But yea, so what is the downsides of welded diff, and if i get that, will i still be able to put in an aftermarket LSD, also you guys never told me what kind of struts to get, i need to know soon, cuz i want to replace them asap. I posted above that 2 i should get

[Dousan_PG]

do what sykikchimp said. get used ones from someone who upgraded/junkyard

welded diff
can break yoru axles i believe
beware drivethrus
low speed turns
uturns

etc...

google it and you'll get gooood info! :)

[Zemus]

Originally posted by dousan36
do what sykikchimp said. get used ones from someone who upgraded/junkyard

welded diff
can break yoru axles i believe
beware drivethrus
low speed turns
uturns

etc...

google it and you'll get gooood info! :)

would cutting my springs, destroy my shocks?

And im not going to weld my diff, i do u turns and slow turns all the time

[InferiorWang]

What you need to do is sit down and work out exactlty how much money you make and how much you you absolutely have to spend on things. Show your parents how much you have left over to put towards your car. Before I could buy my own car with my own money I had to make up an Excel spreadsheet detailing how much money I had in the bank, how much I figured I was going to make, how much insurance would cost, how much gas would cost, how much routine maintenance would cost, and show that I had enough money left for unforseen problems. All of that was done just to buy a car with my own money. If you show your parents that you can afford to do this it may help relieve some of their misgivings.

Also, you're 18. I don't want to tell you to disobey your parents, but if you're absolutely sure you can afford to make these mods tell your parents that this is really how you wish to spend you're money. Tell them that it may be a mistake, but you have to make your own mistakes at some time in your life.

Insurance is cheaper if you pay for longer periods at once. I usually pay for 6 months at a time but you do save a little more by paying for a whole year at once. If you can save enough money to pay for insurance 1 month, 2 months, or 6 months at a time, then saving for a year isn't any different. Just put the money in the bank and don't touch it unless it is an absolute emergency. It doesn't matter if you can put the money back, it's better to learn to leave it there. And when you have that money saved up for the future, then everything you make can go directly to mods and fun. Just make sure to save up what you need first. You may know how to save or you may not I don't know, but some people really don't. It's a valuable skill for everyone to learn, especially those who get their mommy and daddy to pay for everything.

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by InferiorWang
Insurance is cheaper if you pay for longer periods at once. I usually pay for 6 months at a time but you do save a little more by paying for a whole year at once. If you can save enough money to pay for insurance 1 month, 2 months, or 6 months at a time, then saving for a year isn't any different. Just put the money in the bank and don't touch it unless it is an absolute emergency.

Yea. I didn't get the whole "I have to pay insurance now." I understand now.
Sorry for acting like an ass.. but I have $17k into my car, all my own money and some credit card debt. It sounded like you were handed everything and were having a tantrum cuz you couldn't get the money for something.
Anyway.. it'll save you a lot of money to pay insurance yearly.
Put the ammount you pay monthly into a bank, and make sure it's a savings account. You'll get interest on 11 months worth of money, not to mention that the overall price will be cheaper, so after the year, you'll have extra in the bank :)
-Jeff

[andrave]

You guys are dicks.
I say you get some good springs and struts and not worrying about coilovers. whiteline springs and agx adustable struts from pdm are 550 brand new.
I don't know anything about the phantom grip aside from the fact that on paper it looks like it would work like an agressive clutch pack design.
the vlsd is better than open diff. a lot better. a world of difference. and its available in junkyards from a lot of different cars.
just make sure you have a plan for what you want to do with your car, and that you leave a budget in that plan for broken stuff. Cause lets face it, our cars are old, and parts fail on a regular basis. Any budget that doesn't allow you to do regular maintenance is a bad one.

[Zemus]

Humm Im thinking i might get Tokico Adjustable and i guess whiteline springs, im still really lookin into it, I might get ground controll Sleave coilovers (if thats what their called). Im researching right now. Thanks for all the help guys, im still reading into Phantom Grip.

[sykikchimp]

I agree with Inferiorwang.. Laying out a budget for yourself is not only a good way for yourself to verify what money you have available, but also makes you look vrey responsible with minimal effort. Parents dig this kind of stuff!

[Maeda]

you could always convince your dad/mom they need to take up an automotive hobby as part of a midlife crisis, and tell them they need to make another project car like they did when they were your age, and then take it out on the weekends while keeping your car comfy for everyday living....

[Zemus]

Originally posted by Maeda
you could always convince your dad/mom they need to take up an automotive hobby as part of a midlife crisis, and tell them they need to make another project car like they did when they were your age, and then take it out on the weekends while keeping your car comfy for everyday living....

oh i seriously with i could, but no their still 2 young, their only 40, and they act like their 30. I convinced him a bit more, but he is still kinda iffy

[InferiorWang]

My dad's 43 and he's kinda had a mini mid-life crisis. He tells me he can only afford to give me x amount of dollars to go to college and then turns around and buys a new $12,000 fishing boat. He doesn't understand the thing my brother and I have about cars either.

[BoroDori240sx]

Dorifto180sx, your from Hawaii? I'm one of the regulars at DS. I drive the Half Grey, Half white, primer passenger door 240sx. I practiced drifting at DS for 1 1/2 years with an open diff. Many people thought I had LSD, but when they told them I had an open diff, they were really suprised that I could drift as good as the LSD equiped cars. I could connect all turns at Drift Session Road course. I installed my LSD (VLSD) November of 2002, about 5 months already, it feels very different then the open. It took awhile to get used to. Having LSD its was actually harder to break traction when performing the starting initiating drift. But once you achieve the initial loss of traction, each connecting drift is easier to manipulate and control. I can actually gain speed while sliding. I feel more comfortalbe when doing choku doris at 75 MPH. You have more perpendicular travel with the LSD. At the March DS tried out my brothers 240sx with no LSD. Felt really akward.
Drifting with stock supsension is actually dangerous. That was the main reason why the guys Hachi fliped over, the stock supsension gave on him. I also tried to drift my brothers M30 that day. I didn't go as hard because it had stock supsesion. Feels really dangerous practicing drifts at 50 mph with stock.

[boro240]

dude i see you on the road all the time, just monday even. i drive a black 90 fastback.

[Sniper-X]

Originally posted by BoroDori240sx

Drifting with stock supsension is actually dangerous. That was the main reason why the guys Hachi fliped over, the stock supsension gave on him. I also tried to drift my brothers M30 that day. I didn't go as hard because it had stock supsesion. Feels really dangerous practicing drifts at 50 mph with stock.

Exactly. When starting to learn drifting on a stock setup, you need to practice slowly. Don't try to go balls out on your first runs w/ stock suspension. As you get better at that, then w/ the upgrades, increase the speeds.

See you at the next DS this saturday BoroDori.

So just be confident w/ what you have, then upgrade when ready.

[BoroDori240sx]

Mondays? Hmmm, probably going home from school. As for DS 2, I don't know if I'm going. It depends if I'm going to pick up another 240sx....shhhhhhh!

[DoriftoSlut]

Ahhh... sup sup fellas? Im from Maui. No DS for us just...well nevermind.

Yeah, hopefully when I get my RPS13 runnign I can ship it over to HNL for some DS, but since my summer is going to be in Cali now in anticipation of transferring schools, I don't think i will have time. So my car may see Maui touge and then Cali tracks, and unfortunately miss DS. Hopefully not though. But yeah I basically live on the mainlend for school so you guys wont see me around (for now). When I am back home, I will try and contact you guys.