MARKET RESEARCH: S14 Roll Bars and Cages

[chrisngo]

Didn't know where to post this.

Just doing a little market research.

I have an opporutunity to team up with a local fabricator to help the S14 community in creating a 4-point roll bar with removeable cross bar and harness bar.

These will be SCCA auto-X approved.

No pricing will be mentioned on this board.

A 6 point cage can be made at a higher price.

Again, I just wanted to give you all an alternative to the Cusco bars.

So just reply to this with questions, comments or concerns. I would hate to have these built and sit on 20 roll bars.

Thanks
Chris
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[Steeles]

I'd buy one eventually. I got too many other things to do to the car first though but it'd be nice to know ones out there

[DMC]

why cant you post prices it makes no sense

[DSC]

Because that would classify it as For Sale, rather than Chat...smart actually.

We already have autopower as an alternate to cusco, but I think everybody would be happy to see more options.

Tho I'm not gona help your research any :) my cage is going to be a custom built weld in.

Edit: Correction, my bad...I think autopower only makes 89-93 cages.

[BadMoJo]

I will be interested, not right now for cash reasons, but I really would like to see another choice over the Cusco cage.

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by BadMoJo
but I really would like to see another choice over the Cusco cage.

Cusco isn't even really a cage, because it's not SCCA approved.
I'd be in.. it depends on the final product though.
-Jeff

[Grandpa]

First off, I didn't think autopower made a rollbar/cage for the S14. Second, I this is a great idea.
I think you could sell more if you could manage to get it NHRA approved as well (don't know the difference between it and SCCA approved). It could apply to a wider range of folk then.
Lastly, I love the removable harness bar. Excellent! Please post when this will be available.

-john

[Foxcolt]

I want! I want!

[BadMoJo]

Originally posted by Jeff240sx
Cusco isn't even really a cage, because it's not SCCA approved.
I'd be in.. it depends on the final product though.
-Jeff

Another good point. To have a cage that is approved is even better.

[DSC]

Originally posted by Grandpa
First off, I didn't think autopower made a rollbar/cage for the S14.

Your correct, they don't :)
I assume your responding to my post with that one since I'm the only one who mentioned autopower...so I'll go ahead and say that I edited/corrected my post just 10 minutes after posting and a good 8 hours before your post. :p If that wasn't aimed at me, then disregard the above...

[chrisngo]

Hello all.

Thank you for your input.

This is going to be very helpful. I am glad there is interest.

NHRA approval...would this be ideal? I thought protection was only required when you are running "dangerous" 1/4 mile times.

SCCA AUTO-X approval is standard.
SCCA Road Race is different, there is more involved in the design.

For now...let's keep this research going. Please reply as needed!

Thanks again
Chris

[Grandpa]

DSC: my bad. That's what I get for not reading posts thoroughly.

As far as the NHRA approved goes, a car must have a rollbar (6 pt) for times faster than 12.00 secs in the 1/4 mile. Convertibles must have a rollbar for times faster than 14.00 secs in the 1/4 mile.
I know most people will never get to that level of modification, but I thought I'd bring it up anyway.

-john

[SilviaDriver]

Originally posted by SpeedAlliance
NHRA approval...would this be ideal? I thought protection was only required when you are running "dangerous" 1/4 mile times.


That would be Awsome Chris. for me yea since i do drag racing. and a roll cage would be needed if u run lower times. but its not like ill ever run that fast! hahah

u need a roll cage if u run faster than 12 seconds.

[chrisngo]

Originally posted by SilviaDriver
That would be Awsome Chris. for me yea since i do drag racing. and a roll cage would be needed if u run lower times. but its not like ill ever run that fast! hahah

u need a roll cage if u run faster than 12 seconds.

Yeah...so now i am wondering if they could design an "upgradeable" style bar/cage.

If you need the cage...you can bolt it on to the roll bar. But I see structural integrity issues with this.

In any event, we'll see what happens!

Chris

[sykikchimp]

Doesn't SCCA require NASCAR bars to be road race legal? that would be silly...

But making sure things like, the angle of the support posts leading from the main arch, and other specifics like that are scca legal would be important.

Kind of like, how the Autopower Roll bars, can have a fron peice welded to them, and they become Road Race legal cages..

[BadMoJo]

Something that is SCCA Road Race legal would be the best I think. But also having it be somewhat streetable. Since the car is my daily driver (for now).

[sonicSX]

Hella of good idea!
Been looking for one.....let me know if i can purchase one or have one made.

Thanks,

Casper
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[Jeff240sx]

Chris...
There are a handful (5, mabey) that have hit 11.99 or faster, but it's seeming like a lot of people are producing some awesome power from their KA and SR motors... I forsee the need for some NHRA cages. I don't have a clue on their requirements, but if you were the first to sell them, you'd have a monopoly on the up-and-comers to the 11 second club.
-Jeff

[sleek240]

hey that would be a good idea.. i'm in need of a roll bar since i'm leanin towards the auto cross circuit...either way a drag cage or auto cross cage u can count me in for sure

later

Carlos

[chrisngo]

Thanks for the replies.

I am gonna hit up freshalloy as well.

I will probably start on this venture next month.

I need to work out all pricing details and make sure it's really worth the effort.

Chris

[sonicSX]

Speed Alliance-

Thanks for looking into this. Try to get it at your earliest convenience and get back to me.

thanks for your time and consideration.

Casper SonicSX

[BadMoJo]

I just wanted to add that those of us with sunroofs have a lower roof.

Will one for us sunroof guys be made?

[ultraprince]

I know this is an old post, but i'm still wondering what the out come is. I'm in the market for a roll bar for my s14.

[ultraprince]

one more bump. I'm going to be emailing yuo when i get home for questions.

[Dousan_PG]

Originally posted by ultraprince
one more bump. I'm going to be emailing yuo when i get home for questions.

why not just call him? im sure its faster and you can discuss it more thoroughly.

chris is super cool guy.

[Evil S14]

heres some useful info

1. The vehicle must be STREET LEGAL, which means registered, insured, and drivable on the street.
2. NO RACE CARS!!
3. Shorts are NOT PERMITTED when racing and a shirt with sleeves is required to race.
4. Seat belts must be properly mounted.
5. All windows must be present and in good shape and rolled up fully when racing. (no cracks)
6. All automatic transmissions must have operational neutral safety switches.
7. Doors handles operational inside & out.
8. Battery cannot be in driver’s compartment and the battery must have 3/8 bolts to hold it in place.
9. Batteries that are relocated in the trunk must have external cut off switch to the rear of the vehicle labeled "CUT OFF."
10. Radiator must have proper overflow catch tank.
11. Tires must be in good condition.
12. Carburetor must be covered: if there is no hood, live fan must be removed but an electric fan is OK.
13. Carburetor must have “two” return springs installed.
14. Rear seat must be installed or sheet metal covering or trunk bulkhead must be installed.
15. Convertibles must run with top up and driver MUST have a SNELL 90 or newer approved helmet.
16. All vehicles must have at least one working taillight.
17. All hubcaps and trim rings must be removed.
18. All drivers running vehicles 13.99 or quicker must have a SNELL 90 or newer approved helmet.
19. Slicks are allowed as long as they are DOT approved.
20. NO PASSENGERS ARE PERMITTED


well shit, theres nothing about roll cages

[ultraprince]

Originally posted by dousan36
why not just call him? im sure its faster and you can discuss it more thoroughly.

chris is super cool guy.

thanks i just called him and found out we grew up right near each other.

[Dousan_PG]

oh damn that's rad!
chris is supa cool
he has good taste in cars too :) hehe...

one day..one day ill pick up a vertex kit from him. i want one badly!

[Sway500]

How about one for the S13 like the cusco 5pt. but with a cross bar and somthing that goes to the front of the car to tie that in also.

[ultraprince]

Originally posted by Sway500
How about one for the S13 like the cusco 5pt. but with a cross bar and somthing that goes to the front of the car to tie that in also.

i believe autopower makes one for the s13 already

[wa-fu]

I was planning on having one custom made anyways so I'm interested in one. Will there be a chromoly option?

[Maeda]

Can I be the test car? ^_^

I've been thinking about fabbing one up as well, but this sounds like an easier option. I'm interested as well..

[Halz]

I'd like to see an SCCA/NASA legal roll-cage that makes the most efficent use of its mounting points to not only provide good roll-over protection, but to also provide the best torsinal stiffness possible from the practical mounting points.. Numbers of the increase in torsinal stiffness from the test car would be excellent.

But I'd only buy if it were for an S13 :(

[Sway500]

Autopower does make one but I would rather have something that has some kind of support between the bars going to the rear strut towers.

[Steeles]

Originally posted by Sway500
Autopower does make one but I would rather have something that has some kind of support between the bars going to the rear strut towers.

IIRC the autopower has an X barce between um. I'll look for my pics of Kyles car. he's got the autopower bar in his.

[Sway500]

http://www.machiii.net/machiii/html/images/suspension/cusco/f.JPG

I'm talking about a cage like this but with a harness bar or something right behind the seats to go between the hoop.

[Steeles]

theres definataely a harness bar. I garuntee that. thats where Kyle keeps his harneesses!

[Sway500]

http://www.optauto.com/store/images/AP-RACRB.GIF

Yeah it does have a harness bar but i want a bar that goes straight horzontal across the hoop not like counter corner. Plus it does have the counter cornered bar the goes between the rear strut tower bars.