Without ABS....

[heavenskrow]

I would of died not once but several times or at least crashed.
I know ABS is not recommended for drifting...but for daily driving when idiots suddenly brake or its raining and i spin out....or on a touge mountain course...where the driver is kind of newb ABS is best ideal right?

Also if i am converting to 5 lug i would need ABS hubs for both front and rear?

[drift freaq]

I would of died not once but several times or at least crashed.
I know ABS is not recommended for drifting...but for daily driving when idiots suddenly brake or its raining and i spin out....or on a touge mountain course...where the driver is kind of newb ABS is best ideal right?

Also if i am converting to 5 lug i would need ABS hubs for both front and rear?

The factory ABS that was optional on ours cars was primitive and pretty much a garbage ABS setup. You want ABS? Learn to modulate your brake pedal quickly under braking without stepping on it hard. I.E. quick light pumps. You will find if you do this you will pull your car down from speed quickly efficiently and without locking them up.

As far as 5 lug goes running ABS hubs does not matter. All the ABS hub has is a ABS ring around the base of the hub for the sensor.

[Matej]

Use common sense.
Adjust your driving and follow distance according to speed and weather conditions.

[DALAZ_68]

The factory ABS that was optional on ours cars was primitive and pretty much a garbage ABS setup. You want ABS? Learn to modulate your brake pedal quickly under braking without stepping on it hard. I.E. quick light pumps. You will find if you do this you will pull your car down from speed quickly efficiently and without locking them up.



ahh..poor mans ABS...how i know you so well...

[heavenskrow]

wait drift freaq....so if i had a non ABS setup, i can emulate the same thing by pumping quick stumps?

[drift freaq]

wait drift freaq....so if i had a non ABS setup, i can emulate the same thing by pumping quick stumps?

Pretty much. Race drivers have been doing it in racing since the dawn of racing.

[xpinoyxmk]

If i have abs on my 93 240. When i go 5 lug, is that going to eliminate the abs or do i have to do something to take the abs off?

[drift freaq]

If i have abs on my 93 240. When i go 5 lug, is that going to eliminate the abs or do i have to do something to take the abs off?

It will not eliminate the ABS if you A get hubs with the ABS rings on them. There are a fair amount of the rears out there as quite a few Z32's came equipped with ABS. Finding S14 ABS fronts can be done as well. Pretty much no aftermarket 5 lug hub made for the S13 will have the ABS ring.

Or you could try removing the ABS ring from your stock hubs and putting it on the 5 lug hub. Though do not quote me on that last statement because I have never tried that and its a speculative idea at best.

[ILoveMyRHS13]

Hahah. I've NEVER locked up my brakes, and I have Q45 brakes. Don't drive like an idiot and smash on your brakes.

[drift freaq]

Hahah. I've NEVER locked up my brakes, and I have Q45 brakes. Don't drive like a women and smash on your brakes.

This was not even pertinent to the OP's question. Oh and your statement above could be taken as slur towards women. Which we do have on the forum and could get you in trouble with the mods.

[s13dan]

Big Sticky Tires

[xpinoyxmk]

How/Can i get rid of the abs?

When i go 5 lug, im going to be using evo calipers up front and stock calipers in back. Will i have a problem because of the abs?

[drift freaq]

How/Can i get rid of the abs?

When i go 5 lug, im going to be using evo calipers up front and stock calipers in back. Will i have a problem because of the abs?

Easy just disconnect it. seal up the lines, Better yet, remove them all together and get rid of the 50lb weight in the engine bay that manages the shit lol.

[sc ka24e]

on s14 to remove it youll need a non abs brake master since the abs only has two lines going out and none for the distribution valve that goes to your rears.. youd basically have to bend your own lines also or get a hold of some non abs lines off a junk car..also leaves an ugly loom of wires to tuck away..

[hOngsterr]

take it off and sell it to someone lol

[cdlong]

The factory ABS that was optional on ours cars was primitive and pretty much a garbage ABS setup.

what is that based on, any facts involved here? length of stopping distances between the two, etc. it's only a three channel system because you don't want different levels of brake torque at the rear wheels. so don't use that as evidence that it's primitive. unless you have ABS actuated traction control in a R/AWD car, all systems are three channel (either physically or electronically).

[drift freaq]

what is that based on, any facts involved here? length of stopping distances between the two, etc. it's only a three channel system because you don't want different levels of brake torque at the rear wheels. so don't use that as evidence that it's primitive. unless you have ABS actuated traction control in a R/AWD car, all systems are three channel (either physically or electronically).

Wow your really going to make a point about that statement and argue it?

LOL dude the shit works for shit. I have owned S chassis cars with the ABS, compared to newer cars, hell compared to newer Nissan's and how it performs? Its fucking primitive and shitty.

There is no reason to get all technical about it. The statement I made is pretty much an opinion you will find a lot of people echoing.

Stop looking at trying to pick a technical knit here. It was an observation based off my own experience and feelings. It was also an aside to the answer of the OP's question. Not something that needs technical debate.

Go back to your Mechanical engineering classes.

[DALAZ_68]

all i can say is wether new or old cars, fuck ABS...unless u live in an area where there is shitty wether, with an equal amount of shitty drivers...CA being one place lol...

ive been lucky to never own an ABS model Vehicle...Phew

[pinkarrowsnow]

well 240's in snow are bad and even abs wont help you there ive owned mine for 3 years locked them up once on gravel on a steep hill aside from that drive like a normal person keep a safe distance and know your brakes and no abs is needed i have 300zx brakes also

[cdlong]

sorry, i finished all my mechanical engineering classes already and worked in the brake industry for a little while. i don't want to go back. i'm just sick of people throwing down opinion like fact with nothing to back it up. if you had presented it as on opinion, maybe it wouldn't bother me so much. you still didn't even define what you meant by primitive and shitty.

of course it's primitive, so is the rest of the car. of course newer systems work better, they've had an extra 20 years to refine them. the question is whether the ABS system on this car works better or worse than no ABS on this car. i've never owned an S chassis with ABS, but i'd like to see some real info on it. i bet you like KTS coilovers too. there were opinions thrown around here like fact that they were great. if i had known what i know now, i would have gotten some real shocks instead.

and to answer the OP's question (which was really an aside if you ask me) the ABS sensor for the rear is in the diff so you can use whatever rear hubs you want. for the front, you'll need s14 abs hubs (and spindles, ball joints, etc.) or put the ring on the s14 hubs if possible like drift freaq mentioned. to be sure, i'd compare the number of teeth on the s14 abs ring to the s13 ring if you go that route.

[ericcastro]

Use common sense.
Adjust your driving and follow distance according to speed and weather conditions.
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[DALAZ_68]

i've never owned an S chassis with ABS

consider yourself lucky then, a lot less wiring and hassle to deal with...

[djcobra]

I have ABS on my S14 but its disabled, was like that when I bought the car. Also did a 4lug to 5lug swap, along with 300Z brakes; easy as pie. Anyways, I noticed my 5lug didn't have the ABS ring on them but luckily I had an old set of S14 5lug which had the ABS ring on them. Bearings were shot on those bad boys so decided to take the ring off and put them on the new 5lugs. Reason why I did this was if I wanted to re-enable my ABS later on in the future, no biggie.

As for ABS and Non ABS driving, just drive carefully regardless what you have. I noticed that on my Setup (ABS disabled) if you push on the pedal hard enough, it will lock up like a mofo, mostly due to the brake upgrade. Anwyays, just drive Safe.

Steve.

[drift freaq]

sorry, i finished all my mechanical engineering classes already and worked in the brake industry for a little while. i don't want to go back. i'm just sick of people throwing down opinion like fact with nothing to back it up. if you had presented it as on opinion, maybe it wouldn't bother me so much. you still didn't even define what you meant by primitive and shitty.

of course it's primitive, so is the rest of the car. of course newer systems work better, they've had an extra 20 years to refine them. the question is whether the ABS system on this car works better or worse than no ABS on this car. i've never owned an S chassis with ABS, but i'd like to see some real info on it. i bet you like KTS coilovers too. there were opinions thrown around here like fact that they were great. if i had known what i know now, i would have gotten some real shocks instead.

and to answer the OP's question (which was really an aside if you ask me) the ABS sensor for the rear is in the diff so you can use whatever rear hubs you want. for the front, you'll need s14 abs hubs (and spindles, ball joints, etc.) or put the ring on the s14 hubs if possible like drift freaq mentioned. to be sure, i'd compare the number of teeth on the s14 abs ring to the s13 ring if you go that route.

Hahahaha called it. I knew you were a mechanical engineering student or graduate by your very question.
Once again and I stated this already. I have owned several ABS S chassis cars and owned several non ABS S chassis. The system is primitive enough and sucks enough to not be worth the extra weight.

Also you seem to be fishing like a troll, especially for how long you have been on the forum. You don't read the forum much do you? With comments like, "I bet you like KTS" Well aren't you an assuming asshole.
If you had read you would not be making that statement.
Though, in your own statement you are trying to lump me, into the same mistakes you made. I actually have championed Koni's for so long its like beating a dead horse.

Try reading the forum dude. You might find out I don't speak without knowledge and I am not a band wagon jumper. Though I do try stuff out to see if its good or not.

I suggest you shut the fuck up and read before just challenging statements, that were not directly answering the original question. Which I did happen to do.



Oh and your sick of people? Wow, maybe people are sick of people like you? Challenging people with knowledge just to get a debate, to satisfy their curiosity.
When they should be reading to learn, before speaking up and making asses of themselves.

Oh and last time I checked people are entitled to opinions and just because they throw them down? It does not make it fact.
Though in the case? It is a fact the system is primitive, it does work like shit, and you even qualified it yourself, with that with the disclaimer that the cars were primitive.

Wow trying to save face here eh. You got called on trying to call me and even admitted I was right. So in effect, it made your point completely pointless.

Though then, you tried to save face, by making accusations about me and saying your sick of people throwing opinion as fact. Sounds like a cop out for getting called on your own bullshit.

[cdlong]

Hahahaha called it. I knew you were a mechanical engineering student or graduate by your very question.

i've got a cookie around here somewhere i can send you.

still no facts though.

[TravisSW]

Funny, ABS has almost gotten me into accidents and so has Traction Control.

But honestly, just pay as much attention to the road as possible. Granted I've had my fair share of close calls and I don't have a front bumper support right now. It's at my friend's house =x lol.

[rastaman]

I have a stupid question how do I know if I have ABS? Is there i light in the dash? if so I don't see any when I turn the ignition on.

[drift freaq]

i've got a cookie around here somewhere i can send you.

still no facts though.

Ah no thanks I don't eat cookies. :D


The facts are in your own statement of the car being primitive. If you state the car is primitive, then you have also alluded to the fact that the ABS system is primitive as well.
As you would have certainly said it was advanced though the car is primitive, but you did not.

So by that very fact you have agreed with my statement that the ABS is primitive. Which means I do not have to give you facts about it. As you already agreed it is primitive by stating the car is primitive.

Which means you disqualify your question, by making your statement and asking for facts about it is irrelevant, because you have already contradicted yourself.


Which means all your doing is trying get the last word so you can feel good about yourself.

You want facts get them yourself . This is not something that needs hard number facts. Its already a given.