How many U.S. 240s were made? Zilvia reaches 10k members?WTF!

[DSC]

There are a LOT out there...granted many are wrecked and other things, but still way more cars than there ever will be members.

Also, are 240sx's really imported? I always asumed the japanese company Nissan owned factories here in america and produced them here...more expensive labor and realestate vs shipping costs *shrugs* I dono for sure, but I thought most "imports" were made right here...

Edit: Here's the link
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/theft/theft.cfm
89 - 68118
90 - 60582
91 - 34534
92 - 27033
93 - 21471
94 - 1167
95 - 25114
96 - 7334
97 - 3655
98 - 2178
for those who don't care to look it up...

total of 251,186....not too hard to imagine ~10,000 of those being owned by enthusiasts.

[DuffMan]

There were no 240sx's made in the US.

[hookedup240]

wow only 1167 in 94, that's very low, anyone on this site have a 94....oh wait isn't that the vert year, how many on here have a vert, i know toddnappi has one, anyone else?

[uiuc240]

IIRC, "vert years" were 92-94...but 94 was specifically a "vert year". Nothing else was made. :( Would be nice to find an S13 coupe that new.

Eric

[Rennen]

The reason that there are so many members is

1. the 240 is popular

2. you must register to browse the fourms

3. you cannot easily change your username

I personally have 3 usernames, and no way of deleting the other 2.

oh, and I do own a 240: 240 (http://www.imagestation.com/members/msm347)

[AKADriver]

The 240SX was produced 100% in Japan, on the same production line as the Silvia, 180SX, and euro 200SX. The "W" under "Plant" on the cowl tag stands for Nissan's Kyushu Plant at Miyako-gun, Fukuoka, Japan. That plant opened in the spring of 1975 to produce the S10 Silvia/200SX and produced all the S-chassis cars :)

[HippoSleek]

AKA"Firewall tag nazi" strikes again...

I thought there was also a plan in Yokohama (where I thought mine was made)?

In either event, those sales numbers show that after the car became so expensive it just died! Adjusted for inflation -- a 95 would probably be about the same cost as an IS300 -- w/o the name or the luxury. Not to mention the whole "we hate sporty RWD cars" phase of the 1990s.

[AKADriver]

Yeah... it was a nasty vicious cycle... expensive because noone bought it, and noone bought it because it was expensive.

To throw out real numbers, adjusting for inflation based on the consumer price index:

The early S13s cost $13199 base, up to $16000 "nicely equipped"... today that'd be $19000 up to $23000. Not a bad price to pay, about even with competition like the Celica and Eclipse.

S14s cost $19500 base up to $24000 with options... that's $23000 up to $28000 in today's dollars...

[nismo_sr20_wut]

Wow, there was under 6000 kouki's made in the us, and more then half are autos, and thats not counting the wrecked cars, I'm so glad i have my 5 speed :D

[mrmephistopheles]

This is a great thread! I'll probably archive it.
FWIW, I have 2 240s (down from 3) and one username.

[ca18guy]

Originally posted by James
Is price the biggest reason it didn't sell?
How about bland styling inside and out (S13) and a "truck motor"?
Did you look at the sales figures? The S13 was the successful one, S14 killed off the 240sx.

EDIT: I would blame pricing and also the S14 didn't know what its market was, was it a sports car, was it a daily commuter. Not powerful enough/have the looks to be sports car, not practical enough for everyone.

[AKADriver]

As for the 'truck motor' - the Celica sold well through the '90s with its similar 5S-FE engine. The hot 3S-GTE model sold poorly in the USA and died off quickly. 155hp was adequate for that market... except for the DSM and the Prelude, noone was bringing big horsepower to that party, and even between those two the low-horsepower versions were the sales leaders.

The KA drew criticism from the car enthusiast press, but considering hot sales of the Altima it's plenty of motor for the average driver.

[Tyler Durdan]

FWIW, I have the original window sticker with a price of $26,500 or close to that. Mine's a 97 se with all options. Figure the inflation on that, and it was a little pricy for the performance side.

[HippoSleek]

Yeah - my window sticker on a '95 was right at $23K for an SE w/o ABS, LSD, or leather! Those options would put it over $24K.

For that, you could buy a loaded GSR w/ plenty of money to spare, have FANTASTIC resale value, better straight-line performance, and be able to fit 4 people in the car. In 1997, you could get an ITR for less than an SE/LE. The 240 was an impractical car in a practical car time. RWD has many benefits -- few of which are exploited until you really push the car. For most people in most situations, RWD = bad all-weather handling, less trunk-space, and less cabin room. All of that is bad, unless you are shopping for a sports car (note the loss of all the Japanese sports cars from this period).

I agree w/ Ryan's point about other cars too. The All-trac died an early, lonely death and the GSX made up less than 1% of Eclipse sales. The Prelude is just waiting to die... oh wait, it did this year.

[blatch]

But the aftermarket for our cars is insane, therefore they're still popular. Some people on the forums have sold, and the new owner has registered.

[madwilly240]

s13's had truck engines?

someone also told me that altima's (95-99) had ka24de's in em... with some different internals. i figured if that were true i would have seen something about it on the board by now.. but i figured i'd ask.

[DuffMan]

Truck engine? The KA24DE wasn't sold in any trucks, at least none in the US anyways.

Besides, us Americans like toruqe, ugh, me American, my want torque. Pull stumps with my sports car, ugh.

[syco3d]

The KA24DE wasn't sold in any trucks??? Unless I'm mistaken my bro-in-law has a KA24DE in his pathfinder...and it was also common in frontiers... Technically pathfinders and frontiers arn't trucks...but still.

[Bbandit]

IIRC, ka24de is also used in nissan terano(suv) that are sold in south east asia

[Jsquared]

yes, the KA was sold in trucks in the US. a friend of mine has a frontier with a KA.

for the record: one username, and a 1992 coupe.

edit: like james says below... stop the instigating

[240Stilo]

Originally posted by ca18guy
The S13 was the successful one, S14 killed off the 240sx.

Yess!....My car is a killer. I guess it is kinda weird that it is really an average car. Not too fast not too slow, not too flashy not too simple, not too awesome handling, not too little. But I'll change all that soon enough....time to make people shiot their pants from 240 speed.:D

[240Stilo]

Originally posted by James
Ellis Juan? :p

HUH?

[240Stilo]

clubsi....should have known.

Disclaimer: I do not think clubsi is stupid and retarded and full of ricers.

That should take care of legal matters.:D Note the sarcasm. NOTE IT!

[240Stilo]

Good thing there's not as many S14's. Less rice for the eye to see.

[DuffMan]

Ok, I was wrong. The frontier did actually get a KA24DE, but not until 1998. But basicly durring the time the 240sx had a KA24DE, no trucks had it except in the last year of production.

[HippoSleek]

Take a look at the numbers and you will see that the KA in the Frontier, Xterra, and Pathfinder were tuned for different numbers. Basically, the block and some components are the same -- the rest is different. That would be like saying that Camaros and Corvettes used truck engines just b/c the manufacturer made a good template that could be adopted to multiple FR chassis (? chasses?chassises?).

Mark - who left CSI when it started to look about like Zilvia does now

[sykikchimp]

approaching 9000 members rapidly...

Mark... wtf is csi?

[nrcooled]

Originally posted by sykikchimp
approaching 9000 members rapidly...

Mark... wtf is csi?

IIRC club si.
The random good information on Zilvia has gone downhill since alot of the senior members left.
S13girl
Tnord
Lances13 (still here just doesn't post)
etc....

When I got here I honestly felt outclassed by alot of the members. All of which seemed very mature. Now besides a handfull of members out of that 6k total seem that way.

Bakari-who spends more time at FA

Edit: Nothing against Zilvia just a less mature crowd here and too many 16-18 yr olds that don't even have 240s

[Jsquared]

cut down the instigating!? every single freaking time james posts after me, he is instigating something by insulting me or being condescending, why does nobody say anything to him!? answer that!

[ichiro]

ka24de's were in cars before trucks, thus making it a car motor

for sake of arguement, the LS6 in the new Z06 corvette is a truck motor right? same displacement, uuugh

saying ka is a truck engine is the stupidest arguement ever

[DSC]

I fail to see your point.

Are you crying about it?
You could always drive something else, or go to a different forum, yet you choose to hang around here and just bitch.

I couldn't really care less who joins or what they do...you used to seem to share that mentality, not sure what changed.

Anybody who wants to view this forum must sign up, thats all there is too it. Most of these people probably will never own a 240sx, and I'm sure many will never even post. 99.9% of those who do post will post nothing but ****. I'm not gona lose any sleep over it...you shouldn't either james.

[240Stilo]

Actually I was looking over clubsi and James was right, they got good info there and people making a lot of power.

[Johny5]

Originally posted by nismo_sr20_wut
Wow, there was under 6000 kouki's made in the us, and more then half are autos, and thats not counting the wrecked cars, I'm so glad i have my 5 speed :D

*hugs my 98 5spd*

you just have to wonder if James is the kind of guy who cries if he's told that his answers or thoughts are wrong, every single post is like this.

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally posted by nismo_sr20_wut
Wow, there was under 6000 kouki's made in the us,
For clarification, again, there were NO 240sxs, kouki or otherwise, made in the US.

[mrmephistopheles]

It's interesting to note that there were more Honda Civics made in 1991 than USDM 240sxs EVER.

[Jsquared]

^ thinking "2+2=5" or "the Holocaust didn't exist" :rolleyes: not saying anyone here thinks anything as ridiculous as that, but it shows that a thought can be wrong...

ka24de's were in cars before trucks, thus making it a car motor

for sake of arguement, the LS6 in the new Z06 corvette is a truck motor right? same displacement, uuugh

saying ka is a truck engine is the stupidest arguement ever
the LS6 isn't a truck engine because it isn't used in any trucks. duurrrr, the displacement is the same, it's a truck engine, dururrer. nice straw man argument. the KA was designed to be a cheap engine for family cars and trucks. it is not a performance engine.

[gohan_senshi]

I'm not jumping on the bandwagon. I have always wanted a 240 but could never find one. Now that I am in Japan and Silvias are readily available, and I can't afford a GT-R (and don't want a GTS-T) I am getting a Silvia.

[Rennen]

So what?
You going to sell your car or something.

As explained before, 240s are popular, people have to register to view the fourms.

besides, if you look through the members list, a majority have 0 posts, and more power to them for just laying back and searching the fourms rather than posting dumbass questions or comments like we have 10k members WTF!

-Matt

[hookedup240]

Originally posted by James
Tonight could be the night: ten-thousand members http://www3.sympatico.ca/travischan/PUB/eek2.gif

yea i noticed that milestone coming too, damn and i was here in like the first 600 or so.

[Rennen]

I'm sorry if it came of as purely insulting. I'm just curious as to why you and only you make a huge fuss about this.

kid:rolleyes: who is using dollar signs in their words?

Myself and DSC gave you valid reasons for the increase of members, but you still seem content to sit and whine about it. This is the last I will bother posting on this topic.

-Matt

[teknoKs]

Originally posted by Tyler Durdan
FWIW, I have the original window sticker with a price of $26,500 or close to that. Mine's a 97 se with all options. Figure the inflation on that, and it was a little pricy for the performance side.

You're right! I foung my dealer sticker in the glove! I have a Kouki and it was $25,980...that is a little overpriced, think about it, you can get a nicely equipped car with a 250+ VQ series engine for this price now. I think this was the main reason for the cars demise because I feel the Kouki was/is a beautiful car.

[mrmephistopheles]

Members: 10,008, Threads: 26,999, Posts: 237,005
Welcome to our newest member, nocampo
wheeeee. :(

[nocomedown]

too many 16-18 yr olds that don't even have 240s

im 16 and damn proud of my 90 fastback :D