has anyone heard of *ISIS

[nissansrdub]

heres an intake manifold they make. looks better than an ebay one... looks pretty close to a greddy one...

*ISIS Intake Manifold - Nissan SR20DET S13 - Enjuku Racing Parts, LLC (http://enjukuracing.com/isis-intake-manifold-nissan-sr20det-p-9008.html?cPath=24_62)

[s13silvia123]

old news and yes its a greddy knockoff

[nissansrdub]

i understand its a knock off. but how does it handle its job???

[silviamayne]

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/221165-new-isis-intake-manifold-review.html
search

[brndck]

lol i love it when a noob asks a question, and another noob with A LOWER POST COUNT tells him to search.

[zaquanh]

lol its cute let them play

[nissansrdub]

the only thing people can do well now is talk shit. thank you. we dont have to post over 2,000 post to no be a noob

[allntrlundrgrnd]

true but you do have to search before posting a thread on a subject that has been covered.

[silviamayne]

the only thing people can do well now is talk shit. thank you. we dont have to post over 2,000 post to no be a noob

thats true i wasn't tryin to be a smartass i was just tellin ya before other people started talkin shit, just try an search next time. thats why my post count isn't high i just search an if i have a question then ill ask

[bboyoracle]

isis = pos knockoff

/thread

[blackrms13]

theres like 2 thread on their exhaust ON zilvia.........
how can u not come across that before making a new thread =.=

[ryguy]

lol i love it when a noob asks a question, and another noob with A LOWER POST COUNT tells him to search.

What does post count have to do with telling people to search? It just proves he hasnt asked a lot of stupid questions and learned early to use the search button.


I was under the impression that ISIS was an Enjuku Racing brand, no? Enjuku has never let me down.

[Venice]

I was under the impression that ISIS was an Enjuku Racing brand, no? Enjuku has never let me down.


It is bboyoracle just dont like knockoffs even if they perform .and Enjuku is just a importer for them kinda like a house brand

[DreamN]

ISIS is just a brand sold by Enjuku. It's not produced by them. So far there products have proven to be above par in terms of quality.

[ixfxi]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:UlQ8nRhIZfMScM:http://www.cali-snt.com/00-05_Lexus_IS300_Vizage_Body_Kit__Urethane.jpg

is + is = isis

or


mutiple lexuses = lexi

[zugoi]

Its funny how all you people don't want to spend on name brand products and want to spend the least amount of money. Then when companies actually try to make quality products and sells at a good prices you guys just call it knock off and brush it off. What do you guys want, theres no winning with all you hypocritical dumbasses. Im not saying Isis is the best product. I have their short shifter and it rattles like a mother fucker but im not complaining because you get what you pay for and it still does its job. If you want the best quality pay for it. Plus your buying from enjuku, if the product was shit Ken wouldnt be selling it.

[SR20JK]

I have the isis intake manifold and love it. Anyone that says its just a pos knockoff is a fucking retard and hasn't had experience with there products. I would recommend it to anyone looking for a cheap manifold. really how can you go wrong for $200.

didn't fab up the cold pipe yet in the picture
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/JKindy222/240sx/DSC00079.jpg

[driftmane666]

what size turbo you running, I had a greddy knock off mani on a t25 it made it laggy as hell yo

[slw240sx]

but it is a knock off.

all enjuku probably did was order them in bulk from china and branded them, or is buying them from ISIS. its all just branded chinese copies. hell we are doing a forcedfab coilover here this month, all it is is chinese stuff like godspeed or Ksport just we are buying enough of them and having them brand them with our logos and packaging. They may have found a factory that has better quality control, but essentially its all the same stuff.

Jon

[SR20JK]

I am running stock t25, I deffinatly felt the loss of down low power but thats expected with a manifold like this over stock, but I did feel power increase and spool time wasn't effected much

[SR20JK]

I would be interested to see some dyno testing. I am saying the hp would be the same. And I am not one to buy knockoffs but I am very impressed with the manifold.

[Prok0]

The ISIS stuff I have seen has all been very good quality.. I wrote that initial review, and since I havent had any issue with the manifold.

And to be honest, I bought an authentic greddy oil pan about 6 months before I bought that manifold, and I was less then impressed with greddys casting quality, it came to me and had a fair amount of rough edges where the 2 pieces of the cast met, and there was still machining debris left in the pan. And when I received the ISIS manifold the casting marks on the inside of the manifold were alot smoother, and there was no debris from machining still floating around in it..

Ive also seen the new dual 3'' straight pipe exhaust ISIS makes, as a friend bought it, and the welds all look fantastic, and from what I remember he said it bolted up with out any issues at all..

[ixfxi]

Its funny how all you people don't want to spend on name brand products and want to spend the least amount of money. Then when companies actually try to make quality products and sells at a good prices you guys just call it knock off and brush it off. What do you guys want, theres no winning with all you hypocritical dumbasses. Im not saying Isis is the best product. I have their short shifter and it rattles like a mother fucker but im not complaining because you get what you pay for and it still does its job. If you want the best quality pay for it. Plus your buying from enjuku, if the product was shit Ken wouldnt be selling it.

so you're saying that you have an isis shifter, which is a megan short shifter, which is a copy of the B&M shifter. nice!

[Shaminii]

I bought a ISIS short shifter and I was completly satisfied with it and it did not rattle unlike my B&M shifter.

[ryguy]

How many ways do you guys think there are to make an intake manifold? Like Greddy found some miraculous secret that they and only they could have discovered, and now nobody has the right to make a manifold that resembles it? Same as a shifter, how many ways could there POSSIBLY be to make a short shifter? I don't get this mindset where just because something is cheaper it is automatically not as good. I understand that there A LOT of things for our cars where price does reflect quality, but dont knock this stuff unless you've tried it. Remember back in the day when everybody ragged on people for having Megan coilovers? Now they're a recommended budget coilover.

[BustedS13]

Remember back in the day when everybody ragged on people for having Megan coilovers? Now they're a recommended budget coilover.


...by who?
if you're on a budget, AGX's and Sportlines are pretty cheap.

[DreamN]

Megan seems to be recommended only by other owners of Megan products or new fan boys who are cheaping out as well. I don't know anyone with actual knowledge on the subject that would recommend Megan products.

[usajdm]

How many ways do you guys think there are to make an intake manifold? Like Greddy found some miraculous secret that they and only they could have discovered, and now nobody has the right to make a manifold that resembles it? Same as a shifter, how many ways could there POSSIBLY be to make a short shifter? I don't get this mindset where just because something is cheaper it is automatically not as good. I understand that there A LOT of things for our cars where price does reflect quality, but dont knock this stuff unless you've tried it. Remember back in the day when everybody ragged on people for having Megan coilovers? Now they're a recommended budget coilover.

Its the typical bandwagon-bashing that goes on around here..........
Weather its on a "noob" or a product.
In this case both.

While we are on the subject of "Knock-offs", can someone please explain what constitutes an item being a knock-off?

According to this(normal zilvia) thought process, we shouldnt be buying any Work or SSR wheels.
Since they both produced these:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6957/ssrstarsharksplit.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9955/work02.jpg

.........which were obviously influenced(knocked-off) by this:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4154/bestfulstronstra.jpg
:blah:
So basically, Work and SSR are just cheap knock-off companys..........

[ryguy]

...by who?

By people who have them. I remember back when I first joined in '05 people acted like they would break in half rolling out of your driveway. Of course, a hard core enthusiast or real racer isnt going to use them, but they don't break like people once claimed.

I'm just saying, Megan used to be seen as the Harbinger of Death.

[BustedS13]

Its the typical bandwagon-bashing that goes on around here..........
Weather its on a "noob" or a product.
In this case both.

While we are on the subject of "Knock-offs", can someone please explain what constitutes an item being a knock-off?

According to this(normal zilvia) thought process, we shouldnt be buying any Work or SSR wheels.
Since they both produced these:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6957/ssrstarsharksplit.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9955/work02.jpg

.........which were obviously influenced(knocked-off) by this:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4154/bestfulstronstra.jpg
:blah:
So basically, Work and SSR are just cheap knock-off companys..........


ooh girl. a valid counterpoint.
well played.

[DreamN]

Its the typical bandwagon-bashing that goes on around here..........
Weather its on a "noob" or a product.
In this case both.

While we are on the subject of "Knock-offs", can someone please explain what constitutes an item being a knock-off?

According to this(normal zilvia) thought process, we shouldnt be buying any Work or SSR wheels.
Since they both produced these:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6957/ssrstarsharksplit.jpg
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9955/work02.jpg

.........which were obviously influenced(knocked-off) by this:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4154/bestfulstronstra.jpg
:blah:
So basically, Work and SSR are just cheap knock-off companys..........

Not necessarily since the quality of Work and SSR wheels have been long been known to be top notch. You're pretty much trying to compare Work and SSR to that of Rota and SportMaxx/XXR which are known as cheap wheels that crack time and time again unlike the the better brands.

Even though Work and SSR (other makes as well) have indeed taken influences from other wheel manufactures they don't cheap out on the quality as cheap knock off companies have been known to do.

Also, is the original wheel still in production? Was the copy made by Work and SSR of better quality?

[BustedS13]

Not necessarily since the quality of Work and SSR wheels have been long been known to be top notch. You're pretty much trying to compare Work and SSR to that of Rota and SportMaxx/XXR which are known as cheap wheels that crack time and time again unlike the the better brands.

Even though Work and SSR (other makes as well) have indeed taken influences from other wheel manufactures they don't cheap out on the quality as cheap knock off companies have been known to do.

to play devil's advocate, then...

would it be okay for "Isis" to blatantly rip off Greddy's design down to the emblem mounting panel, if it was a high quality ripoff?

[DreamN]

Well, what is "okay" to you may be different from what is "okay to me. As I see it, if you're bettering a product to a higher quality than what the original was, then it's no longer the same product.

[fullthrottle]

Yea as far as that manifold goes. I can understand the point of supporting greddy who does the R&D for it and then gets undercut by copys. But its just like VW and Audi. both have a 1.8t just the VW is a lot less. If you are looking for just performance and dont care about badging which one are you going to go for?

[ryguy]

Well, what is "okay" to you may be different from what is "okay to me. As I see it, if you're bettering a product to a higher quality than what the original was, then it's no longer the same product.

So how can it not work backwards? Some would argue that ripoffs are not the same product as the original, due to quality. The people likely to buy high quality parts would likely not buy ripoffs and vice versa. If you are talking about technological advancement, thats a different matter altogether.

[zugoi]

so you're saying that you have an isis shifter, which is a megan short shifter, which is a copy of the B&M shifter. nice!

How many ways do you guys think there are to make an intake manifold? Like Greddy found some miraculous secret that they and only they could have discovered, and now nobody has the right to make a manifold that resembles it? Same as a shifter, how many ways could there POSSIBLY be to make a short shifter? I don't get this mindset where just because something is cheaper it is automatically not as good. I understand that there A LOT of things for our cars where price does reflect quality, but dont knock this stuff unless you've tried it. Remember back in the day when everybody ragged on people for having Megan coilovers? Now they're a recommended budget coilover.


i agree with ryguy. I was gunna say this earliar but ran out of time. Now a days how many ways can you make a car part. Did you think sumitomo knocked off Goodyear because they used rubber and the round shape. Its just the way to do things.

[brndck]

imo, if a company doesn't patent or otherwise protect their design/intellectual property, and another company produces a similar (copy) product that offers equal or better quality and results at a lower price, i have very little problem with it.

personally i don't cheap out on 90% of the items i buy, but i've owned a greddy intake manifold, and an isis, and if you pulled the label off of the greddy i had (it had been chromed) and compared it to the isis, you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart.

some ppl just need a reason to be elitist. the whole "oooh my car is better than yours cuz i have cuscos and you have k-sports" is a shit mentality. the uk lives on k-sports and rotas and doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

the only downside to it is that having so many companies who are just making "knock-offs" is that it discourages anyone from designing NEW and INNOVATIVE products. why bother engineering a new one, when they can just cheaply copy and reproduce an old one.

just my .02

[ixfxi]

theres a million and one reasons why to stay away from knock off products, its been discussed time and time again.


if you guys feel there is reason to buy cheap shit, then by all means go for it. your life and your car. for those that care about quality and supporting companies that innovate, then obviously they'll pay good money for good quality parts.

the majority of you fucks just look at something for face value, appearance. you fail to understand that there are numerous other factors that come into play into what makes a product. imitations will always be inferior because they obviously cut costs somewhere. in the long run, the consumer is the one who always loses.

[ryguy]

imo, if a company doesn't patent or otherwise protect their design/intellectual property, and another company produces a similar (copy) product that offers equal or better quality and results at a lower price, i have very little problem with it.

I was going to bring this up, but the can of worms that opened in the Greddy bankruptcy thread was mind blowing. I agree with you though.

[DreamN]

ryguy, how is it working backwards? It isn't the same product because quality is lower. It's a poorly made copy of the original.

[handinpants]

the only thing people can do well now is talk shit. thank you. we dont have to post over 2,000 post to no be a noob

in all actuality they can do it well on the computer, but in person, its a little different. i don't see any point in talking shit, and when someone does it to me i don't take it personally.

[ryguy]

ryguy, how is it working backwards? It isn't the same product because quality is lower. It's a poorly made copy of the original.

Wait, i think we agree?

I'm confused as to what the argument is. I'm saying the knock off is a different product due its lower quality. A hard core racer wouldn't even consider the knockoff.

[DreamN]

LOL yeah we do. If there's a quality change it's obviously different, whether it's of higher quality or lower. Don't know who would say it's 100% the same.

My argument was pretty much towards what usajdm posted. He called SSR and Work wheels "cheap knock off companies" because they took influence from another companies wheel design. Bettering a product, making it a 2 piece wheel design, lighter, and stronger isn't the work of a knock off company. More than likely they saw a demand for an old school wheel that hadn't been made in years and put out their variation of that wheel.

Knock off companies try to copy things right down to the tee, but skimp out on quality control and tend to use inferior materials. Either way it's no longer the same product.

What ISIS did with the Greddy manifold is simply mass produce the same thing. What some people fail to understand is that even the big time JDM companies outsource to other countries for materials and laber work. Lacking a patent makes it all to easy to just sell under a different name which eliminates the huge price increase.

I understand there is a need to support the guys that started it all, but comparison shopping takes over if you can get the same thing for a better price elsewhere.

I'll make it clear though, I'm not one to buy cheap shit for my car. Sure I've made a few poor decisions in certain pieces, but none that I can't make right down the road. I have quality suspension pieces and I'm loyal to keeping as many things as OEM (I <3 OEM upgrades) as possible.

[slw240sx]

knock offs are bad because they are being made in countries that have no labor laws or lax ones. They can produce parts for pennies on the dollar compared to the companies that design them. this brings down the precieved market value of a product and keeps companies that operate legitimately and in industrialized nations from growing. when we have labor and wage laws we have to obied by we cant be making a intake manifold and selling it retail for 140.00, but china can it weakens ours and others economies. it eventually bleeds over into major markets like with what walmart has been doing the last few decades. The erosion of our manufacturing base will be one of the key factors to the total collapse of the u.s economy and lead us into another depression in the no so distant future.

[slw240sx]

im not saying chinese knock off of car parts will do all that, but its our current mentalities that will be driving us to that point.

[ryguy]

knock offs are bad because they are being made in countries that have no labor laws or lax ones. They can produce parts for pennies on the dollar compared to the companies that design them.

Greddy, HKS, Apexi, they all manufacture their stuff in third world countries with no labor laws.

[drift freaq]

Not necessarily since the quality of Work and SSR wheels have been long been known to be top notch. You're pretty much trying to compare Work and SSR to that of Rota and SportMaxx/XXR which are known as cheap wheels that crack time and time again unlike the the better brands.
?

Ah but again here is an interesting counterpoint. Most people put Rota in a sub catagory based on their reputation from the early to mid 90's when they were a upstart wheel company making cheap knock offs.
Much like all the major Japanese brands did in the late 70's early 80's In fact Enkei was the budget wheel company in the early 80's with their copies of BBS, Compomotive and other European brands.

Fact is today putting Sportmax and Rota in the same breath,sentence and comparision is not really knowing truth.

What is the truth? Truth is today Rota manufacturers in a ISO9001-9002 factory and it may be even higher now. That kind of manufacturing rating does not come easily or lightly. It means their is a high level of quality control going on in their manufacturing process.

It also means that at this point in time Rota wheels are on par with cast Japanese wheels. Oh but people say they break and put pictures on the internet. Ya and I have seen broken Enkei's broken Gramlights, etc... any wheel can break if you drive it up against something hard enough or do not mount it properly.


Oh shit Dave went and said that! Fuck ya, its a fact.

You want to see shit wheels? Go look at a set of Lensa's aka Tenzo's in disguise which are actually used on the track by a lot of Sentra racers because they are light. Seen those break and seen the shit quality of the metal.




So they(Rota) knock other peoples wheels. So the knockoffs do not always look as good, which makes me not as interested LOL.



Oh but guess what? Like what was pointed out earlier nearly every fucking wheel manufacturer on the planet copies their competitors wheels.

Don't think BBS and Compomotive's look alike? LOL try again. Oh and remember the Epsilon craze everyone copied them as well.


Granted they may make knocks but shit they are quality at least, does it mean I will run them? Who knows. It does mean I respect the fact that they are a decent quality wheel and not on the level of Sportmax.

Oh and while we are at it. Gramlights LOL fucking cast heavy wheels with a popular Japanese name, which sell for way to much because of it. Granted some the of upper line is forged but a lot are not and are no better than any other decent cast wheel out there. Except they are overpriced.
Shit I should know I owned them. LOL


In the end many of you spend way to much time either hating on a product without investigating its worthiness or jumping on a bandwagon because everyone says its good.

Do the fucking research, learn about the product. Don't just follow people because everyone says its good or bad. Find out yourself. Make choices with your brain. Fuck everyone else.

[DreamN]

^ Good info Dave. Did not know Rota stepped up their game so much.

[brndck]

i love it when dave posts and drops knowledge!!!

+1

[ixfxi]

It also means that at this point in time Rota wheels are on par with cast Japanese wheels. Oh but people say they break and put pictures on the internet. Ya and I have seen broken Enkei's broken Gramlights, etc... any wheel can break if you drive it up against something hard enough or do not mount it properly.


Oh shit Dave went and said that! Fuck ya, its a fact.


hey dave








fuck rota wheels.




any company that copies the TE37 should burn in fucking hell.


note to rota: make your own designs.

[zugoi]

all companies need to start somewhere. Yes mike companies should make their own design when possible. Like designing rims or body kits. I believe when companies get bigger their reputation will as will their quality control. Like Dave said about the company rota. They had to start off making lower quality rims to get sales and now that everyone knows rota they have to step up their game.Ithey were THAT terrible, they would of went bankrupt. They must be doing something right if people are still buying their products. PERIOD. That goes for all companies. Isis can be the next big company if their customers trust them. Who knows, maybe they will start making everything we ever wanted for our cars at higher quality and lower prices.

[devonkyle77]

costs are cut with R&D 9 times out of 10

[ixfxi]

all companies need to start somewhere. Yes mike companies should make their own design when possible. Like designing rims or body kits. I believe when companies get bigger their reputation will as will their quality control. Like Dave said about the company rota. They had to start off making lower quality rims to get sales and now that everyone knows rota they have to step up their game.Ithey were THAT terrible, they would of went bankrupt. They must be doing something right if people are still buying their products. PERIOD. That goes for all companies. Isis can be the next big company if their customers trust them. Who knows, maybe they will start making everything we ever wanted for our cars at higher quality and lower prices.

thats too much assumption for me to care about rota. its all about philosophy. every company should have a philosophy to follow, a strict code of conduct that reflects how the employees feel about the company and in return, the products are a product of their creative talent and capabilities.

i wont even waste time with aftermarket body kit manufacturers. the longer im around cars the more you end up realizing that body kits are never made to the same specifications as factory aero. its all temp-fad, here today gone tomorrow fiberglass bs. even the aftermarket urethane is heavy and fails to be as good quality as OE.

as for rota, whats the point of starting out "to get known" but selling inferior items, then stepping up your game? if you dont have potential to start with, you'll never be anything in the long run. i believe the expression goes "you cant turn a hoe into a housewife"

like i said, fuck rota.


i wont even bother mentioning sportmaxx, with their fake plastic rivets that fall out or megan with their shit welds

[zugoi]

im not saying i would buy rotas either. Just using them as an example. Companies should have a strict rule of conduct and make the products to the best of their ability . Not just trying to make a quick buck. The hard part is to figure out which companies those are. Isis has been ok so far. Alot of satisfied customers but those who dont know them already have the negative idea implanted in them because they have lower prices.

[lflkajfj12123]

number one reason not to buy knockoffs

- street cred

[gsxr141]

well i have sportmax wheels, circuit sports exhaust, shifter nob, and strut bars, tenzo r seats and steering wheel, isis shifter and tein coilovers.

you know what..............who cares. every part is doing just fine, and i didn't break the bank.


on a side note.................. i eat knock-off wonder bread too.

[ixfxi]

well i have sportmax wheels, circuit sports exhaust, shifter nob, and strut bars, tenzo r seats and steering wheel, isis shifter and tein coilovers.

you know what..............who cares. every part is doing just fine, and i didn't break the bank.


on a side note.................. i eat knock-off wonder bread too.

tenzo still exists?




gaddamn... their products were junk 10 years ago, i cant believe suckers like you still use that cheap shit.

[gsxr141]

i know right. if only i cared what other people thought of my car. the seats are comfy, and the wheel feels good.
i think half the problem here is everyone feels the need to impress everyone else. for christs sake, it's a fucking steering wheel, you can't really mess that up. you do know that almost all the parts now are made in the same place, and companies put their name on them. that's why they all look the same.

[zenki.life]

tenzo still exists?




gaddamn... their products were junk 10 years ago, i cant believe suckers like you still use that cheap shit.

haha ixfxi! +1

[lflkajfj12123]

i know right. if only i cared what other people thought of my car. the seats are comfy, and the wheel feels good.
i think half the problem here is everyone feels the need to impress everyone else. for christs sake, it's a fucking steering wheel, you can't really mess that up. you do know that almost all the parts now are made in the same place, and companies put their name on them. that's why they all look the same.

you're 37

you don't have much to lose anymore

especially if you drive around in an s chassis

[LoanShark]

you're 37

you don't have much to lose anymore

especially if you drive around in an s chassis


toshiue ni namaiki na koto ittenjyane~, kusogaki ga

On a side note, I put together a mawd list and well, I only have 3 knock parts that are all minor. Thats less than 10%. I think i'll pick up an isis oil pan just to spite you all.

spite spite spite

[brndck]

i <3 spite! is delicious!

o wait thats sprite.

fuck.

[gsxr141]

again,i have nothing to prove to all the elitist haters on zilvia. i've had a show winning race car,and i'm done with that nonsense. i bought this one just to have some fun on the cheap. it's too bad people like you turn it into some kind of contest.
what's sad is i think you all might be worse than the homo civic guys that showed up after the first f+f movie., and that's a shame.

[brndck]

/\/\/\ that is the wisest thing i've heard a noob say in a long long time.

dude has a point.

[95KA-Turbo]

But....but it is a contest....






https://trcsseniors.wikispaces.com/file/view/peacock.jpg

[fullthrottle]

^ That has got some color.

[ixfxi]

again,i have nothing to prove to all the elitist haters on zilvia. i've had a show winning race car,and i'm done with that nonsense. i bought this one just to have some fun on the cheap. it's too bad people like you turn it into some kind of contest.
what's sad is i think you all might be worse than the homo civic guys that showed up after the first f+f movie., and that's a shame.

its not about proving anything... i could care less if the dude is 20, 30, or 60...


but when you sit in your tenzo seat, dont tell me that shit feels good.. because ive had the unfortunate opportunity of sitting in a tenzo seat before and it sucked ass. in that same car, my buddy was driving and ran over a pothole and cracked two tenzo wheels.


it has nothing to do with what people think, it has to do with what you think. you work for your money (i hope), and if you spend it on cheap shit.. then i can only say that i really feel sorry for you. because when you do a side-by-side and start looking at the differences, the devil is in the details and will always show. and, when you go to sell your car (it can happen), NO ONE pays for cheap shit.. but plenty of people pay for rare/high quality parts.

realize


btw: i'de rather have STOCK than cheap aftermarket

[usajdm]

My argument was pretty much towards what usajdm posted. He called SSR and Work wheels "cheap knock off companies" because they took influence from another companies wheel design. Bettering a product, making it a 2 piece wheel design, lighter, and stronger isn't the work of a knock off company. More than likely they saw a demand for an old school wheel that hadn't been made in years and put out their variation of that wheel.


I was sarcastically calling SSR and Work "kock-off" companys.
But my point is still the same.
First off, all companys have to start somewhere and chances are that all of them skimped somewhere.
I can except a design copy as long as their quality is of higher importance.

It just seems that if the companys logo isnt plastered all over the side of a Japanese driven D1 S15 thats on the cover of Option magazine, that they must be a cheaply built knock-off.

Im just sayin that the title of "cheap knock-off" is thrown around way too much.

[gsxr141]

actually the seats are alot more comfortable than the stock ones. are there better ones? sure, but i don't require $1000 seats in my daily beater. would i buy them if i had the money? probably, but not because these ones are uncomfortable. besides, i got the pair complete for $200 and they're like new. so for right now, they're fine for me.

[drift freaq]

hey dave








fuck rota wheels.




any company that copies the TE37 should burn in fucking hell.


note to rota: make your own designs.

LOL Hey Mike not to tread on sacred ground hahahha
but every damn Japanese factory is a copy of U.S. Automation technology Technology that the U.S. Goverment allowed Japanese business men to come into out plants in the late 60's early 70's and observe.

My father would not let the Japanese into his plants because he knew exactly what was going to happen.


They would copy it and in fact they did with other plants. Why do you think Top T.V. sets are Japanese and now even becoming Korean made. We lost our consumer electronics business to the Japanese because they copied our shit and improved on it.

That's one of the reason that extremely advanced large scale integration microprocessors are still America's realm of dominance. My father did lot that shit get away.

We design and build the fastest Semiconductors in the world. We leave lesser tech like memory chips to other countries.




Guess what Mike. You were not born yet, but in the 60's and the 70's "Made in Japan" meant cheap shit. Just like made in China does today. LOL

Mike do not close your mind so much. Fact is the Japanese wheel manufacturers copied the Europeans. Oh wait your so beloved Watanabe's are basically Japanese copies of Forged English wheels Minilites! Yup and you know what Watanabe's were considered crap to Minilite's

You can hate Rota for copying but guess what all the damn Japanese companies are guilty of the same shit.

Fuck I am just calling a Spade a Spade.

Learn it, realize it accept it. You are just sore becuase Rota made a copy of your beloved TE37's. Fact is your beloved TE37's are overpriced.

Nice wheels but overpriced.

Does this mean I am supporting Rota? No. It means I am looking at everything from a unbiased, researched based approach.

Fact is everyone rails against the knockoffs but they have no idea that the companies in the country we so venerate at one point were doing the same thing. Knocking off European and American products.

Does it mean I have no respect for Japan. Well you know that I do. They got their shit together and started getting good with manufacturing and even designs and got some originality.

It was not always that way, though. I have lived long enough to have seen all this.

[lflkajfj12123]

toshiue ni namaiki na koto ittenjyane~, kusogaki ga

On a side note, I put together a mawd list and well, I only have 3 knock parts that are all minor. Thats less than 10%. I think i'll pick up an isis oil pan just to spite you all.

spite spite spite

you're japanese is awful so please just shut the fuck up

[jamg]

you're 37

you don't have much to lose anymore

especially if you drive around in an s chassis

lol...

All i got out of this thread- ISIS is a knock off of greddy and EBAY is the exact same shit as ISIS (as people have been saying, but the quality of ISIS is a lot better, as others have been saying).

[LoanShark]

you're japanese is awful so please just shut the fuck up

I slang slang, Bookworm. You can keep it textbook fantasy land if you want.

On the real though, I'm snatchin up some Rotas before they go up in price. Equal to Gram Lights at half the cost?!

wat

[mrflip69]

Improve is the key word. Knockoffs by nature are 2nd rate copies. Often imitated, never duplicated. That's where the argument comes... if ISIS is Freddy, then why bother paying for the name? People crack Greddy pans, so you might as well crack something cheaper or better. Look at all the people running ebay exhausts.

Same shit--metal is metal.. you're not going to get much better with pipes. Maybe the packing is better in the JDM brand? Whatever. Coilovers too. That's the problem with outsourcing. These companies got greedy and tried living off their name.

[renegade_ewok]

On the IM thing... I honestly don't think any circumstance will crack or break an intake manifold ever. A bunch of vacuum from the engine isn't going to break it; even at 30 psi I'm sure the manifold will hold.

[jamg]

how can the mani break?

all it does is let air flow through right? (yes, very little knowledge.)

[nate_drake]

i have one of these isis intake manifolds and i have to say its pretty decent. its not like theres alot that can go wrong with it. however, there are many parts on which i will never cheap out on, for example turbo, gaskets, cams, clutch ect... some parts have to be quality, others dont have to be and will still produce the same performance.

for some things like an intake mani, i dont see the point in spending huge amounts

just my opinion....

[soreballz]

i have one of these isis intake manifolds and i have to say its pretty decent.
Of course its decent, its a fucking counterfeit of the Greddy piece. It just doesn't say Greddy anywhere on it.

[jamg]

Of course its decent, its a fucking counterfeit of the Greddy piece. It just doesn't say Greddy anywhere on it.

lol wut

that statement insulted the ISIS, yet it agrees with the quality used to make it...?

[soreballz]

^I never said it was a quality counterfeit. Even if its casted poorly, it can't suck too badly since Greddy did all the work creating it.

Am I supporting this product? Fuck no.

[ixfxi]

Learn it, realize it accept it. You are just sore becuase Rota made a copy of your beloved TE37's. Fact is your beloved TE37's are overpriced.

hey dave.....

just wait, your beloved cr kai will become the rota p21

give it a few months


then i am curious which one you will buy. ;-)

ps: i didnt have watanabes, glenn did.. i only borrowed them. i however, had japanese knockoffs.. the BR (black racing) version... haha a japanese knockoff of a japanese knockoff, which is really an english knockoff!

[ayuaddict]

i think knockoffs are awesome.

it allows me to achieve gratification twice (sometimes three times) as often in any given amount of time.

[gsxr141]

let's look at this argument with a little spin. what about hand tools?
we can all agree that snap-on, mac, and matco are probably the best tools and definitely the most expensive.
well, having been a mechanic for way too long, i've accumulated alot of tools.i can tell you this. ....... sk tools are a knock off of snap-on, and craftsman stuff is almost exactly the same as mac stuff. does this make them junk? i think not. i've broken just as many of each brand, and they all get the job done. there's alot of tech's that will only buy the best (most expensive) shit, but in the end all they have is a higher tool bill to pay.

[ryguy]

Oh contraire. You can break Craftsman day and night and get free replacements each time.

[BustedS13]

let's look at this argument with a little spin. what about hand tools?
we can all agree that snap-on, mac, and matco are probably the best tools and definitely the most expensive.
well, having been a mechanic for way too long, i've accumulated alot of tools.i can tell you this. ....... sk tools are a knock off of snap-on, and craftsman stuff is almost exactly the same as mac stuff. does this make them junk? i think not. i've broken just as many of each brand, and they all get the job done. there's alot of tech's that will only buy the best (most expensive) shit, but in the end all they have is a higher tool bill to pay.

craftsman- 1927
mac- 1938

comparing craftsman to mac is not the same thing as comparing craftsman to Harbor Freight.

[gsxr141]

thanks for reminding me. i've had some harbor freight impact sockets for about 10 years, and haven't broken any.

[Matej]

So has anyone else noticed that everything ISIS sells is identical to generic parts that have been on Ebay for years? I do not mean similar, I mean identical. As in exactly the same welds, craftsmanship, material, everything.

Do they just sell Ebay parts under a 'brand' name, for more money?

The new dual-tip exhaust is finally something original, so I guess the money made off ignorant people finally went towards something good.

Just feel bad for all the people out there with ISIS manifolds, exhausts, pulleys, and everything else who think they are above Ebay parts.

[ILoveMyRHS13]

let's look at this argument with a little spin. what about hand tools?
we can all agree that snap-on, mac, and matco are probably the best tools and definitely the most expensive.
well, having been a mechanic for way too long, i've accumulated alot of tools.i can tell you this. ....... sk tools are a knock off of snap-on, and craftsman stuff is almost exactly the same as mac stuff. does this make them junk? i think not. i've broken just as many of each brand, and they all get the job done. there's alot of tech's that will only buy the best (most expensive) shit, but in the end all they have is a higher tool bill to pay.
Between my buddy's tools, we've ground down more teeth in Craftsman rachets than anything else... We've never ground any down on a Snap On.

[Rapier46]

lol i love it when a noob asks a question, and another noob with a lower post count tells him to search.


omg lol like the post count?!