s13 wire tuck+fuse & relay boxes re-location

[hpipro4]

anyone done it? im currently doing this and somewhat stuck where to mount my fuse panels & relays!!! any other ideas would be great....

my ideas:
passenger floor beneath glove box
inside glove box
behind the deck but too little room

heres some pics:
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4103/dsc04398a.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04398a.jpg)

heres where i re-located my ignition coil
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1383/dsc04426e.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04426e.jpg)



http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3731/dsc04427z.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04427z.jpg)

engine harness is done![/URL]

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2366/dsc04424c.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/img4/dsc04427z.jpg/1/)

battery plate is a bitch to get out!

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[redsx13]

relocating the fuse boxes and battery make the engine bay look a hell of a lot cleaner, heres a pic of mine

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk141/redsx13/llll010.jpg

just relocate everything under the passanger side dash behind the glovebox.

[jr_ss]

Next time do alittle searching.... There's a post dedicated strictly to this topic...

And why didn't you just upgrade to an S14 distributor? That would've done away with the external coil and made your setup that much easier/cleaner.

[screaminfast]

that looks good! do you have to extend the wiring harnesses for that?

[hpipro4]

Next time do alittle searching.... There's a post dedicated strictly to this topic...

And why didn't you just upgrade to an S14 distributor? That would've done away with the external coil and made your setup that much easier/cleaner.

woops!

never thought about the s14 distributor! what would i need?

thnx

[hpipro4]

that looks good! do you have to extend the wiring harnesses for that?

engine harness you dont but relocating the fuse/relay boxes some wires i will have to.

[dondochaka]

i tried hiding the fuseboxes and failed miserably.
i bought a entire enginebay harness + fuseboxes because of this.
i don't see where you can relocate the boxes to.. if you take the entire harness from the SMJ to the fusebox, it's literally 5-6ft long.
even if you cut and solder all those connections.. it's still gonna be pretty damn long.
then there's wires that split off into two different sections and crap.. it's just really annoying to do the boxes.
you should just put them under the battery tray and waterproof it or something.
that'd be a good location to relocate the fusebox and for the relay box, do it the same on the drivers side.

[redsx13]

And why didn't you just upgrade to an S14 distributor? That would've done away with the external coil and made your setup that much easier/cleaner.

im pretty sure upgrading to a s14 CAS requires a s14 ecu, its not really worth the money.

[rican_nick]

he was talking to the OP with the KA.

[littledevil661]

im doing the same to my car once i get some money and time..

[hpipro4]

im pretty sure upgrading to a s14 CAS requires a s14 ecu, its not really worth the money.

that too and im not gonna keep the ka will swap to sr someday....just did my tuck for the heck of it..lol

[hpipro4]

heres some update...

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8479/dsc04644t.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04644t.jpg)

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http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1120/dsc04649s.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04649s.jpg)

[redsx13]

lookin good, what is the purpose of this car? track, show, street?

[redsx13]

and btw, you seem like your pretty far along, but it helps to pull the whole harness to wrap the wires, i wouldn't tr to do it while the harness is still installed.

[Om1kron]

Next time do alittle searching.... There's a post dedicated strictly to this topic...
There is?

mine is for s14 fusebox relocation... not s13... S13 has MULTIPLE fuse boxes scattered throughout the chassis.

[whyrun?]

cool to see this. tried it on mine and failed badly.

[redsx13]

cool to see this. tried it on mine and failed badly.

i thought i screwed mine up, but it ended up being something non wire related. I did my SR swap at the same time i did the tuck, and it turns out my motor was all messed up, bad sensors all over the place.

you can be the best technician in the world, but it will always be a little scary starting the car for the first time after somthing like this.

[hpipro4]

woops..forgot about the multi quote!

[hpipro4]

and btw, you seem like your pretty far along, but it helps to pull the whole harness to wrap the wires, i wouldn't tr to do it while the harness is still installed.

i did for the engine harness and wires going outside but decided not to sleeve the wires inside cause im lazy...lol

There is?

mine is for s14 fusebox relocation... not s13... S13 has MULTIPLE fuse boxes scattered throughout the chassis.

been following your blog and skim thru out ur s14 fusebox relocation thread!

i thought i screwed mine up, but it ended up being something non wire related. I did my SR swap at the same time i did the tuck, and it turns out my motor was all messed up, bad sensors all over the place.

you can be the best technician in the world, but it will always be a little scary starting the car for the first time after somthing like this.

oh yea you bet hope mine will fire right up! cross fingers...

oh and this was my daily driver and will be my daily driver!

[Jdotsturn]

Yea i just put my fuse box in my glove box. I messed up somewhere though cuz everything works but my tail lights... kinda bummed but i never drive on the streets nor at night so I havent fixed it yet.

[Jonnie Fraz]

I admire your determination!

[hpipro4]

heres the fuse panels im going to use!

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5074/dsc04658g.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04658g.jpg)

[Om1kron]

quite interesting with the fusebox setup, but again everything on the s13 seems different. But why the 80amp fuse bridge between the two boxes?

[redsx13]

heres the fuse panels im going to use!

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5074/dsc04658g.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04658g.jpg)

is that all you plan on using? how are you going to narrow it down to just 12 fuses?

[GSXRJJordan]

Lol I chuckle at these threads, because most of them crash and burn. HPIPro's legit though.

When I do standalone wiring, I start with the systems I want, and work backwards - towards the fuse box, to the battery. I used a bunch of OEM wire when I did my S14, but pulled absolutely everything out first, and just put back in what I needed - much easier to check your work this way, and you get to use all the OEM connectors if you're smart.

I'll be doing a standalone harness Thursday for Ernie @ DTC ("Pinky" build), I'll try and take some pics.

12 Fuses is PLENTY, btw.

[hpipro4]

quite interesting with the fusebox setup, but again everything on the s13 seems different. But why the 80amp fuse bridge between the two boxes?

the 80amp fuse simulate the 75amp fusible link between the wire going to alternator and starter. im basiclly copying the oem wiring harness cept i will be using monster cable power wires. im using 80amp cause i cant find any 75amp anl mini fuse!

is that all you plan on using? how are you going to narrow it down to just 12 fuses?

im not changing the inside fusebox just the one found under the hood!

Lol I chuckle at these threads, because most of them crash and burn. HPIPro's legit though.

When I do standalone wiring, I start with the systems I want, and work backwards - towards the fuse box, to the battery. I used a bunch of OEM wire when I did my S14, but pulled absolutely everything out first, and just put back in what I needed - much easier to check your work this way, and you get to use all the OEM connectors if you're smart.

I'll be doing a standalone harness Thursday for Ernie @ DTC ("Pinky" build), I'll try and take some pics.

12 Fuses is PLENTY, btw.

haha thanks hope everything goes well with my build!

[hpipro4]

will be installing all this too.....

greddy mss
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7614/dsc04591u.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04591u.jpg)

s13 digital cluster for the heck of it...
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4913/dsc04606b.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04606b.jpg)

last but not least dcc
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1170/dsc04589j.jpg (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04589j.jpg)

[hpipro4]

since i took out the dash, decided to clean the a/c & heater/blower motor assembly....replacing all the worn out foam sealings

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1875/dsc04654h.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04654h.jpg)

if anyone wondering what i use to replace the foam seals
i use this got it from findtape.com

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1342/dsc04659f.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04659f.jpg)

[hpipro4]

heres some update.....cleaned all the a/c & heater stuff n got them all back!

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3812/dsc04692.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04692.jpg)

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9657/dsc04695c.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04695c.jpg)

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/9517/dsc04696.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04696.jpg)

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http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/49/dsc04704.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04704.jpg)

[jserman]

i did a mild tuck on my 89 s13 when i put the motor back in.. since I have the Silvia front end i had lots of extra room so we relocated the driver side fuse box under the front fender and the passenger side one we tucked up in the corner i will get some pics up for yea tomorrow

[mastadon]

god, i just look at that and get a headache. Can't wait to see how this turns out, I'll try and learn from your mistakes (if you make any).

[mdbizman87]

LOL i know right, I work with electrical aspects of cars too and Im just like WTF! I want to do a battery relocation in my S13 and a wire tuck but looks im in deff gunna need some more experience for this or someone who deff knows what their doing lol.

[GSXRJJordan]

I keep checking these threads just to see what the "general level of interest" is on this stuff.

As I'm doing my RB25 rebuild/swap, I'm doing a full tuck on the upper harness (already removed all the wires/box/etc from the engine bay) and using a Tyco Mil-Spec bulkhead connector to separate engine-bay from interior halves. I've found that only 33 wires need to actually pass through the firewall :)

As far as the interior, I've got a 10-circuit fusebox handling my Accessories and a 6-circuit taking care of Ignition-switched duties, all hiding out under my passenger airbag. On the back side of that plate is the relay logic for push-button start and my fuel pump/fan relays. The car has no body harness, only 12 or so wires running back through the car for tail lights/fuel pump/stereo.

Pics in a couple days.

[hpipro4]

almost done with mine.....

[hpipro4]

heres some update.....cant finish cause im waiting for techflex wire sleeves from partexpress.com shipping is way too slow!!!grrrr

tested out electronics everything seems to be workin....music was bumpin...lights...etc..

heres more pics:::

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6176/dsc04716fil.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04716fil.jpg)

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9080/dsc04721.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04721.jpg)

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[Bobafreak]

To many wires for me. i would have a anxiety attack.

[hpipro4]

so i installed my dcc took me a while to figure out what i did wrong. tips: dont unplug the blue relay, only unplug the black relay!

also tested my s13 digital cluster...well no luck getting the mph....it did once turn on then slowly faded but its gone....

test fitted the obx header fits awesome w/o egr n secondary air!

[littledevil661]

damn lookin good.. wish i had time to do it on mine.. i think imma have to do it the way you did.. looks like you save alot of money reusing plugs .. milspec is to rich for my pocket right now

[hpipro4]

damn lookin good.. wish i had time to do it on mine.. i think imma have to do it the way you did.. looks like you save alot of money reusing plugs .. milspec is to rich for my pocket right now

oh yea i didnt think about using aftermarket connectors....just buy plenty of wire sleeves 1/8", 1/4", 3/8", variety of heat shrinks, 3m electric tape, time and patient...lol

[littledevil661]

oh yea i didnt think about using aftermarket connectors....just buy plenty of wire sleeves 1/8", 1/4", 3/8", variety of heat shrinks, 3m electric tape, time and patient...lol

i have loads of heat shrink and some wire loom left for my last car . just have to find time to do mine..prolly do it when i finish my auto to manual conversion.. not fun

[hpipro4]

i have loads of heat shrink and some wire loom left for my last car . just have to find time to do mine..prolly do it when i finish my auto to manual conversion.. not fun

maybe if you bought a 5spd instead of auto then you would be doing this now!!!lol

[D1S13]

Good job! !

[S14Cuhh]

looking good.

[GSXRJJordan]

I should be finishing my upper and lower RB25 engine harnesses this week, using mil-spec circular connectors and Maringo power connectors, all wrapped in Techflex sleeve. Spent way too much money lol, but hopefully will be bomb. The rest of the car just needs to be wrapped/heat shrinked (got lazy and didn't want to de-pin all the connectors).

[Om1kron]

ahahahah down with de-pinning connectors lol.

[hpipro4]

the finished fuse panels!

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8895/dsc04732t.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04732t.jpg)

[littledevil661]

maybe if you bought a 5spd instead of auto then you would be doing this now!!!lol

lol i tryed but i couldnt find one.. well more like i didnt have alot of cash .. but i did have one lined up and i was going to get it the next day and the kid hit me up saying .. would you be mad if i sold the car .. so i had to get the auto.. but its ok .. i got everything for it now.. just gotta work on it .. but i have some tricks up my sleeve on my build just have to get a camera to start taking pics of it on the rebuild/bodywork/headache

[hpipro4]

lol i tryed but i couldnt find one.. well more like i didnt have alot of cash .. but i did have one lined up and i was going to get it the next day and the kid hit me up saying .. would you be mad if i sold the car .. so i had to get the auto.. but its ok .. i got everything for it now.. just gotta work on it .. but i have some tricks up my sleeve on my build just have to get a camera to start taking pics of it on the rebuild/bodywork/headache

did you atleast did a tuck on the engine harness since you have to swapout ecu and engine harness?? or did u?

[littledevil661]

did you atleast did a tuck on the engine harness since you have to swapout ecu and engine harness?? or did u?
, nope dont have to swap out the ecu or harness. i have a kaDE24 motor not the crap sohc. another reason why i picked up the auto

[hpipro4]

, nope dont have to swap out the ecu or harness. i have a kaDE24 motor not the crap sohc. another reason why i picked up the auto

you mean KA24DE not kade24! lol

[littledevil661]

you mean KA24DE not kade24! lol

lol woops that too.. i was typing halfway asleep.. .. have you fired up the car yet since you redid alot of it and how does your bay look now

[hpipro4]

lol woops that too.. i was typing halfway asleep.. .. have you fired up the car yet since you redid alot of it and how does your bay look now

hahah....no i havent fired up the engine yet!!cross fingers hope it does fire up!!!i need to bolt on my header, slap on my jvt r33 radiator that i modded so it fits, drop in aem short ram then try to fire it up...

[jbuckley]

clean.



i disassembled my relay box since i only used a couple out of it and just put them behind the radio where the other relays were located. good hiding spot , they dont really need to be accessible. i minimized my fuse panel and just tucked everything away all nice and pretty.

kind of wish i would have put my fusebox in my center console like my friends car , but didnt want to re run my harness AGAIN. idk i may get bored someday and move it ?

i cut a bunch of the wrong wires at some point and had all kinds of crazy mishaps , but it all is good now :)

[hpipro4]

clean.



i disassembled my relay box since i only used a couple out of it and just put them behind the radio where the other relays were located. good hiding spot , they dont really need to be accessible. i minimized my fuse panel and just tucked everything away all nice and pretty.

kind of wish i would have put my fusebox in my center console like my friends car , but didnt want to re run my harness AGAIN. idk i may get bored someday and move it ?

i cut a bunch of the wrong wires at some point and had all kinds of crazy mishaps , but it all is good now :)

tips for you: label it!

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7541/labelit.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/my.php?image=labelit.jpg)

[jbuckley]

:) learned the hard way.

benefits : knowing every wire and what and where it goes to by heart.

[93nismo]

lol i wish i had the patience to do all this... maybe someday. when im really bored. but then i might not be bored the next day... hmm. decisions decisions. i unno, id probably get lost half way through anyway

[hpipro4]

lol i wish i had the patience to do all this... maybe someday. when im really bored. but then i might not be bored the next day... hmm. decisions decisions. i unno, id probably get lost half way through anyway

hahah thats why i did mine! was bored one day so i started with the engine harness and then decided mine as well do the rest so i did.

i didnt use the wiring diagrams that much but only wires i miss labeled just to make sure it goes where is suppose to go.

even removed wires for cruise control, rear wiper..etc

[littledevil661]

hahah....no i havent fired up the engine yet!!cross fingers hope it does fire up!!!i need to bolt on my header, slap on my jvt r33 radiator that i modded so it fits, drop in aem short ram then try to fire it up...
sweet its coming together like butt cheeks

[hpipro4]

dcc install w/high power smd's

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9764/dsc04929.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04929.jpg)

[Wake]

dcc install w/high power smd's

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9764/dsc04929.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04929.jpg)

where did you get those? how did you do it? and do they have other colors?

oh and props on the tuck its coming along nicely, I just got through stripping my eentire interior harness. gets kinda hectic.

[hpipro4]

where did you get those? how did you do it? and do they have other colors?

oh and props on the tuck its coming along nicely, I just got through stripping my eentire interior harness. gets kinda hectic.

Product Listing - CAR (http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?product=CAR&next=50#NEOb-x)

the 1st one is jus regular led come in variety of colors
2nd are the high power smd's only come in blue or white

tips: only use white led for the middle one cause buttons have blue n red coating....if you use red or blue its gonna be dim depends wat color is use.

no modding needed they fit perfect...only thing is removing them is a b**tch like when the polarities are backward cause this are polarized leds/smds

lmk if ya got any ??

oh get the 3mm

[hpipro4]

engine fired rite up 1st start....freakin amazing...havent heard it roarrrr for months...

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8800/dsc04957w.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04957w.jpg)

[Wake]

maaaaaad props!!!!! if we still had rep i would hook you up lol. its good to see someone in norcal is doing shit right.
looks proper
im in the process of striping mine and goin painless, but girl problem are causing serious delays. Im taking pics as i go alont tho so youll see what i come up with soon.
congrats again on the start up

[littledevil661]

engine fired rite up 1st start....freakin amazing...havent heard it roarrrr for months...

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8800/dsc04957w.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc04957w.jpg)
damn you .. now imma have to do mine with i get home.. and pressure wash half of california streets from inside of the bay.. you should relocate the PS resi next

[hpipro4]

maaaaaad props!!!!! if we still had rep i would hook you up lol. its good to see someone in norcal is doing shit right.
looks proper
im in the process of striping mine and goin painless, but girl problem are causing serious delays. Im taking pics as i go alont tho so youll see what i come up with soon.
congrats again on the start up

whats the rep thing anyway? thanks by the way!

damn you .. now imma have to do mine with i get home.. and pressure wash half of california streets from inside of the bay.. you should relocate the PS resi next

time and patient all it is! yea this is just my temporary set-up not 100% done just wanted to make sure the engine fired up before finalizing everything! yea i will be relocating the ps reservoir thinkin about nxt to the clutch reserv! will be using the s13 ps reserv

[littledevil661]

time and patient all it is! yea this is just my temporary set-up not 100% done just wanted to make sure the engine fired up before finalizing everything! yea i will be relocating the ps reservoir thinkin about nxt to the clutch reserv! will be using the s13 ps reserv[/quote]

yeah thats where im putting mine too ..

[hpipro4]

yeah thats where im putting mine too ..[/quote]


where did you put your charcoal canister?

[littledevil661]

yeah thats where im putting mine too ..


where did you put your charcoal canister?[/quote]

duuno where imma put it yet .. im goin to get new vaccum lines and go from there..

[imnotmatt1189]

wow so clean. i wouldn't be able to do that on my own... i'd shit a brick for sure looking at all those wires. props

[hpipro4]

heres some update......

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2153/dsc05499j.jpg (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc05499j.jpg)

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1372/dsc05504.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc05504.jpg)

[silcoupeguy987]

heres some update......

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2153/dsc05499j.jpg (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc05499j.jpg)

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1372/dsc05504.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc05504.jpg)


i know you posted the link but what exact bulbs (model number from that site) did you use for the gauge cluster i bought some and they are not wide angle i think,,, and they made my cluster look crappy yours looks awesome!!!!!

[hpipro4]

im using this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-PCS-PAIR-NEW-T10-194-Wedge-Bulb-SMD-4-LED-BLUE-Light_W0QQitemZ270422749714QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMoto rs_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef673b212&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1171 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2-PCS-PAIR-NEW-T10-194-Wedge-Bulb-SMD-4-LED-BLUE-Light_W0QQitemZ270422749714QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMoto rs_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef673b212&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1171)

[silcoupeguy987]

hell yeah thanks

[hpipro4]

hell yeah thanks

yeah no problem mr!

[93nismo]

nice work my friend. that looks sooo clean:) and the DCC and your cluster looks bitchin. i wish i had the patience and the cash to do all that.. i dont. and i dont have another car anyway. downtime is no good at the moment :P congrats on the great work mann

[Gorilla Unit 33]

I have a couple questions for the OP, since im in the middle of my full tuck right now aswell. Other then that it looks good. Im tucking the P/s resi up by the clutch resi, aswell as getting an inline fuel filter to clean up the lines from the fuel rail going on top of the manifold to the filter and tucking it behind the manifold on the firewall.

1. when you installed the dcs, did you use all the sensors and b/s or did you wire it into the factory usdm harness? (i guess it would be like having the digital system just without the auto climate controll?)

2. did you think about keeping the 2 fuse boxes before you just eliminated them and relocated everything to the glove box?


....me and a friend have found that the fuse boxes themselves can stay where they are just by flipping them upside down and putting them on the underside of the metal from where there at from the factory locations. Now that im tupped though im going to have to make a custom mounting slot on my passenger side but my drivers side will still use that slot from the factory which the fuse boxes use to keep them in place. of course i will have to secure the lids since they will be mounted completely upside down now but it should work out fine. I just got my car back to my garage but i can get pictures of what im talking about and how im going to make mine work if you need an example. Im still a bit far away from completing it but its coming along. Also keep in mind the only way someone could possibly pull off the tuck using the same spots for the fuse box i'am using is if they are N/A or have a v mount intercooler setup, because all the other ways i could think of you have to cut holes in the metal where i would be mounting my fuse boxes.

[GSXRJJordan]

I have a couple questions for the OP, since im in the middle of my full tuck right now aswell. Other then that it looks good. Im tucking the P/s resi up by the clutch resi, aswell as getting an inline fuel filter to clean up the lines from the fuel rail going on top of the manifold to the filter and tucking it behind the manifold on the firewall.

Make sure you use large enough line for the reservoir to the pump - I used -6an (3/8") from the rack to the reservoir, and -10an (5/8") for reservoir to pump. Also, with inline fuel filters, most of the small ones are "pre-filters", and either don't filter all the way down to 10 microns, or don't deal well with high pressure. I'm using a Fram HPG1 filter because it's cheap, handles high pressure, and uses a replaceable filter element that filters to 10 microns or so.

....me and a friend have found that the fuse boxes themselves can stay where they are just by flipping them upside down and putting them on the underside of the metal from where there at from the factory locations. Now that im tupped though im going to have to make a custom mounting slot on my passenger side but my drivers side will still use that slot from the factory which the fuse boxes use to keep them in place. of course i will have to secure the lids since they will be mounted completely upside down now but it should work out fine. I just got my car back to my garage but i can get pictures of what im talking about and how im going to make mine work if you need an example. Im still a bit far away from completing it but its coming along. Also keep in mind the only way someone could possibly pull off the tuck using the same spots for the fuse box i'am using is if they are N/A or have a v mount intercooler setup, because all the other ways i could think of you have to cut holes in the metal where i would be mounting my fuse boxes.

I can't possibly think of a way to fit those fuse boxes underneath the fender with tubs. When you're low, the wheel travels almost all the way to the underside of the strut tower, and pretty far inward. Pics?

[hpipro4]

I have a couple questions for the OP, since im in the middle of my full tuck right now aswell. Other then that it looks good. Im tucking the P/s resi up by the clutch resi, aswell as getting an inline fuel filter to clean up the lines from the fuel rail going on top of the manifold to the filter and tucking it behind the manifold on the firewall.

1. when you installed the dcs, did you use all the sensors and b/s or did you wire it into the factory usdm harness? (i guess it would be like having the digital system just without the auto climate controll?)
i have all the sensors wired up!

2. did you think about keeping the 2 fuse boxes before you just eliminated them and relocated everything to the glove box?
i was going to but then plan change! decided to move everything inside since i was relocating my battery inside and wanted to use fuse panels instead. Also i had unwanted wires i wanted to removed so decided to rip everything out and redo the whole thing. the only wires going outside frm the smj are headlites, sidemarkers, signals, horns, & windshield washer pump/level sensor.

....me and a friend have found that the fuse boxes themselves can stay where they are just by flipping them upside down and putting them on the underside of the metal from where there at from the factory locations. Now that im tupped though im going to have to make a custom mounting slot on my passenger side but my drivers side will still use that slot from the factory which the fuse boxes use to keep them in place. of course i will have to secure the lids since they will be mounted completely upside down now but it should work out fine. I just got my car back to my garage but i can get pictures of what im talking about and how im going to make mine work if you need an example. Im still a bit far away from completing it but its coming along. Also keep in mind the only way someone could possibly pull off the tuck using the same spots for the fuse box i'am using is if they are N/A or have a v mount intercooler setup, because all the other ways i could think of you have to cut holes in the metal where i would be mounting my fuse boxes.

thats an easyway to do tuck but i wanted a more challenging tuck..lol

[Gorilla Unit 33]

Make sure you use large enough line for the reservoir to the pump - I used -6an (3/8") from the rack to the reservoir, and -10an (5/8") for reservoir to pump. Also, with inline fuel filters, most of the small ones are "pre-filters", and either don't filter all the way down to 10 microns, or don't deal well with high pressure. I'm using a Fram HPG1 filter because it's cheap, handles high pressure, and uses a replaceable filter element that filters to 10 microns or so.

I can't possibly think of a way to fit those fuse boxes underneath the fender with tubs. When you're low, the wheel travels almost all the way to the underside of the strut tower, and pretty far inward. Pics?

Thanks for the heads up on the filter facts. where the boxes mount underneath is like where the windsheild wiper fluid tank would be and that never gets rubbed, let alone the fuse boxes arent as big as that fluid tank either. You have an idea of where im talking about now? if not i'll get some pics up asap....i come from honda's where everything can be tucked away in the plastic under the windshield wipers lol.

thats an easyway to do tuck but i wanted a more challenging tuck..lol
oOooOoOoOoOoO, i understand sometimes i gotta do things the hardway aswell.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

Im about to make some good progress on my tuck this week Just to show you the bay and what im working with so far heres a look:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC01070.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DAAAAAMMMMNNNN.jpg

[J90lude]

Great Thread!!!

[brndck]

this pic isn't a great example, but i relocated my entire harness and fuseboxes into my glovebox. now the only wires that are in the bay are my headlight harnesses and engine wiring. now i have a crate overflowing with wire i cut out.
i need to redo it cleaner and more "baller".
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/brndck/s13%20coupe/DSC_0199.jpg

[Wake]

O know tjis is kinda taking it back a bit but do you think the NEO4's will work in the DCC? Im just wondering because I was hoping for more options than white and blue, but I will go white if I have to.

Product Listing - CAR (http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?product=CAR&next=50#NEOb-x)

[hpipro4]

Im about to make some good progress on my tuck this week Just to show you the bay and what im working with so far heres a look:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC01070.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DAAAAAMMMMNNNN.jpg

i need to do this on my fender wells....my 17x9 is too wide up frts and rubs real bad when fully turned.

O know tjis is kinda taking it back a bit but do you think the NEO4's will work in the DCC? Im just wondering because I was hoping for more options than white and blue, but I will go white if I have to.

Product Listing - CAR (http://www.superbrightleds.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?product=CAR&next=50#NEOb-x)

i dont think the 4mm's will work b/c the 3mm's barely fit...wit modifications it will.

[hpipro4]

just wanted to share what the car looks like...needs new paint and lil work here and there.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2559/dsc06000f.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc06000f.jpg)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/800/dsc05983k.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc05983k.jpg)

[jeb1517]

Daym dude that looks sick! You have to tell me your secret. How do you keep track of all the little screws and where everything goes?! I was thinking of getting like little platic bags and labeling everything. Or taking alot of pictures in case I forget where something goes or how it was hooked up previously. I envy you, man. Good job, really.

:bowrofl:

[hpipro4]

Daym dude that looks sick! You have to tell me your secret. How do you keep track of all the little screws and where everything goes?! I was thinking of getting like little platic bags and labeling everything. Or taking alot of pictures in case I forget where something goes or how it was hooked up previously. I envy you, man. Good job, really.

:bowrofl:

im work on my car everyday so i remember where pretty much go...lol but yeah baggie works and labeling stuff so you know where they go.....

thanks bud!

[Choku_Dorian]

great thread and taking time to help other people out...good stuff

your tuck is incredible, if my chassis wasnt a rustbucket you would have motivated me to undertake this task with this thread.

now you may have motivated me to start looking for a clean coupe shell to do this in, im tired of the hatch...

[BoostSlideWayz]

Dam this confuses me so much. I dont understand how your supposed to keep track of every wire. So.... if im doing a track build. where i wont need any of the smog equipment.. or AC, or anything that makes the car more confurtable.. can i take alot of the sensors off ?? im still trying ti figure this all out.

[hpipro4]

Dam this confuses me so much. I dont understand how your supposed to keep track of every wire. So.... if im doing a track build. where i wont need any of the smog equipment.. or AC, or anything that makes the car more confurtable.. can i take alot of the sensors off ?? im still trying ti figure this all out.

theres not much sensors to removed but lots and lotsa wires...i mean lotzzz!!!!i live in cali so smog is a biggie since this was my daily n will be my daily soon...

goodluck

[GSXRJJordan]

Dam this confuses me so much. I dont understand how your supposed to keep track of every wire. So.... if im doing a track build. where i wont need any of the smog equipment.. or AC, or anything that makes the car more confurtable.. can i take alot of the sensors off ?? im still trying ti figure this all out.

When I do track-car wiring, I don't think so much in terms of what can be removed, I think in terms of what I have to keep :keke: ~

*Engine harness (a tuck all by itself, you can remove approx 25% of the wiring from a KA - power steering, EGR?, A/C, etc)
*Lights - can't really trim anything here, except for maybe corner/marker lights
*Power windows/sunroof - need to keep this stuff most likely
*HVAC - I like to keep the blower motor and controls, if only for the defroster
*Gauges - If you want to keep the stock dash, you have to keep the huge cluster of wires running along the dash bar... if not (like my car), tear it out!
*Radio - running an aftermarket amp with new speaker wire, or not running a radio at all? Tear the old shit out! I will say, being the only car at the track with a nice/full sound system does have it's advantages...
*Fusebox - here's where you can trim some serious fat - run an aftermarket fusebox in the glovebox area, and you can ditch the engine bay fusebox, the kick panel fusebox, and the SMJ! That's the real meat of any wire tuck.

Where does that leave you? Well, if you do what I did and cut out the pieces of the stock harnesses you need, and throw everything else away, you end up with about 40lbs of harness per car. I've done 3 or 4 cars now, and have a few HUGE boxes full of OEM wire left over lol...

[Enna]

Man I'm seriously about to have you come out to vegas and do my S14 <3.

[roninwon]

hey man is there anyway you can post up diagrams of what u got and or did to help some of us out a little bit cause my car is in desperate need of a rewire

[BoostSlideWayz]

When I do track-car wiring, I don't think so much in terms of what can be removed, I think in terms of what I have to keep :keke: ~

*Engine harness (a tuck all by itself, you can remove approx 25% of the wiring from a KA - power steering, EGR?, A/C, etc)
*Lights - can't really trim anything here, except for maybe corner/marker lights
*Power windows/sunroof - need to keep this stuff most likely
*HVAC - I like to keep the blower motor and controls, if only for the defroster
*Gauges - If you want to keep the stock dash, you have to keep the huge cluster of wires running along the dash bar... if not (like my car), tear it out!
*Radio - running an aftermarket amp with new speaker wire, or not running a radio at all? Tear the old shit out! I will say, being the only car at the track with a nice/full sound system does have it's advantages...
*Fusebox - here's where you can trim some serious fat - run an aftermarket fusebox in the glovebox area, and you can ditch the engine bay fusebox, the kick panel fusebox, and the SMJ! That's the real meat of any wire tuck.

Where does that leave you? Well, if you do what I did and cut out the pieces of the stock harnesses you need, and throw everything else away, you end up with about 40lbs of harness per car. I've done 3 or 4 cars now, and have a few HUGE boxes full of OEM wire left over lol...


Well lets see... I took out the AC, the radio, all the ac equipment. all the controls. so the center console is empty. and i dont have power windows, i used to have power belts but i took those out. basicly the only thing electronic inside my car is the guage cluster. I just wanna make every thing more accesable for the car when things break down and need repair. i dont wanna end up having to move lots of wires, and get confused. im not sure if i should take this to some one else to do.. or if i should try it my self. id like to try this myself and see how well it turns out.

[GSXRJJordan]

Man I'm seriously about to have you come out to vegas and do my S14 <3.

Haha, wouldn't be the first time. You've got my number, I wouldn't charge for the drive time, since I love Vegas, and would bring all the tools and materials in the truck. Conservatively takes two days.

hey man is there anyway you can post up diagrams of what u got and or did to help some of us out a little bit cause my car is in desperate need of a rewire

The FSM is literally all you need. If you want a "hand holding" diagram, with "here son, connect this light blue/black striped wire with this black wire with red stripe right here" then you'd have to tell me exactly what system you're working on, on what car. If your car's anywhere close to stock (wiring-wise) the FSM should be all you need - it has diagrams, wire colors, pinouts, EVERYTHING!

Well lets see... I took out the AC, the radio, all the ac equipment. all the controls. so the center console is empty. and i dont have power windows, i used to have power belts but i took those out. basicly the only thing electronic inside my car is the guage cluster. I just wanna make every thing more accesable for the car when things break down and need repair. i dont wanna end up having to move lots of wires, and get confused. im not sure if i should take this to some one else to do.. or if i should try it my self. id like to try this myself and see how well it turns out.

You've still got taillights and fuel pump, so you've still got wiring running back from the dash. On Ernie's Vert (DTC Superstar) I did a 'standalone' race harness with a Bussman fuse block in the driver's side kick panel, and sleeved everything with Techflex flame-proof expandable sleeving and adhesive heat shrink - he still had a grip of wires running around the dash, but only a few running through the firewall (headlights) and back from the dash (convertible + tail lights + fuel pump).

If you really want it simple, take EVERYTHING out, take off the loom, and start with an aftermarket fuse block. I use a 6-circuit Bussman for Ignition-ON stuff and a 12-circuit Blue Sea for Accessory-ON, but you could definitely get away with just one or the other for a race car.
http://www.iboats.com/mall/image/view/1/6/5029_0.jpg (http://www.iboats.com/Screw_Terminal_Blade_Fuse_Block_ATO_ATC_12_Circuit _Blue_Sea_Systems/dm/cart_id.854055359--session_id.316904345--view_id.163743)
(click for link)

Then you use the FSM to pick out which connectors and wires you need (like, you'd still want the headlight, ignition, wiper and gauge cluster plugs, and most of the wires). You'd take those wires out, reconnect them per the FSM, and test one system at a time. If you're unfamiliar with the FSM and wiring diagrams in general, it'll take about a month - for me, takes 2 days to wire an entire car from scratch.

[Wake]

You just saved me so much trouble LOL
:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

[Gorilla Unit 33]

Continued on my tuck yesterday, i pulled the dash to replace the harness with a new one and to start the tucking. Me and Andrew had a basic idea of what we wanted to do going into this tuck and so we started with the easy stuff. We tucked the harness where its most likely to ever be damaged, in the wheel well and as you can see we pulled the harness above the factory lip in the well and banged the lip up flat also. Test fitted the fenders, to make sure they were going to clear the harness and we were good to go onto the next step. Since we didnt get started until 6pm we were loosing daylight fast and decided to get the fuse boxes situated where we wanted to tuck them and call it a night. After marking the wires and cutting them we had the harness right where we wanted to start the extensions. Also in case you didn't notice we installed a new harness but that means we had another harness still lying around. We will be using the matching wires from the last harness to make the extensions that way if we ever do run into a problem we know that finding the wire will never be a problem ;). With that said i think the pictures can explain the rest.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC_0006.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC_0007-1.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC_0009.jpg

Im not really worried about illiminating the oem fuse boxes, tucking is more of my objective. Also since i eliminated all the emission bs, i wont have to keep my carbon canister like you have to in cali. The rest of my harness we are going to extend and run under the top side of the rad reinforcement just like it does from the factory. Now that i re-read this thread going to an S14 dizzy and ecu sounds like it might be an option to eliminate the one extra object and wire in the engine bay but well see. It might be something i have to wait for because money is kinda low and i still need a clutch to get me back on the road.

Check my blog link in my sig for more info about my build.

[GSXRJJordan]

^^^ I love having extra harnesses around so that when you have to extend something, it gets extended with the exact same wire color/gauge. Keep it up, and make sure to be meticulous about solder joints and sleeving - it SUCKS to have to go back through your shit once you're finished and look for where you fucked up.

Just ask Om1kron. :keke:

[worangejuice]

keep the dash off so peoples can see all the amazing tucking and rewiring you did ;)
mad talent there to tackle all of those wires

[bejota180sx]

im doing the exact same thing, ill post up pics shortly on my blog... ive removed so many useless wiring and i know i can remove more...

great job! also i know i havent read the whole thread cause im king of in a hurry but if your going for a tuck... why dont you remove the fender wires and tuck them inside the frame rail or something similar, they would be safer IMO... at least i have NO wires coming through the fender holes... everything comes from just one whole in the engine bay... like i said ill post pics to show my work... maybe it will give you a better idea than me or give me another idea than that ive been doing...

[Gorilla Unit 33]

^ the point is to have no wires in the bay and right now where the wires are there is no possible way they could be rubbed out so there safe where they are.

Im deffinately dropping the motor in and hooking everything up before i put the dash in and bolt the fenders on.

[hpipro4]

my 99% finished bay, interior...etc

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6107/dsc06474y.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc06474y.jpg)

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3568/dsc06491h.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc06491h.jpg)

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9671/dsc06498v.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc06498v.jpg)

relocated s14 ps fluid tank/ intake cut out
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4937/dsc06480k.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc06480k.jpg)

relocated charcoal canister
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7726/dsc06482p.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc06482p.jpg)

slim HID
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8606/dsc06483.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc06483.jpg)

coolant reserve
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4453/dsc06080n.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc06080n.jpg)

[xpertsnowcarver]

Dayam.. if rep still existed.. you'd get a green square from me. Though, you wouldn't know what I mean so... Props to you for following through.

[hpipro4]

Dayam.. if rep still existed.. you'd get a green square from me. Though, you wouldn't know what I mean so... Props to you for following through.

haha yea...dont know nothing about the rep thingy!!!lol

thanks tho ;)

[GSXRJJordan]

Brown interior has to go. Everything else (except the KA) looks pretty damn good, well done. Lots of finish work, and it's paid off.

[Wake]

Man I miss the rep system, when properly used it was a great thing.

but that shit looks clean enough to east off!
I dunno if someone already asked but what have you done to the bay itself? did you fill and paint it? it looks mighty clean in those newest pics

[hpipro4]

Brown interior has to go. Everything else (except the KA) looks pretty damn good, well done. Lots of finish work, and it's paid off.

im fine with brown interior! i like the color brown.. lol not b/c im brown i just like wearing brown.

Man I miss the rep system, when properly used it was a great thing.

but that shit looks clean enough to east off!
I dunno if someone already asked but what have you done to the bay itself? did you fill and paint it? it looks mighty clean in those newest pics

yea pretty much! filled all the holes with bondo and use rattle cans primer no basecoat...

[Wake]

wait what kind of brown are you?

Im kinda feeling the brown, watch I guarantee in a year or two everyone is gonna be jocking brown and blue interior.

yeah im about to do a 5sp dohc swap and im thinking of doing a mild tuck and deleting/filling/painting some shit.
My engine bay is getting painted at least if nothing else.

[Om1kron]

it SUCKS to have to go back through your shit once you're finished and look for where you fucked up.

Just ask Om1kron. :keke:

haha cocksucker...

just to be fair...
i had a short in my tps wiring which was fixed.
coil pack sub harness was mispinned.
and ecu power was not provided right by not crossing 1 wire into the equation.

bite me.

[Om1kron]

haha yea...dont know nothing about the rep thingy!!!lol

thanks tho ;)

where did you get your coolant reservoir from? pm me or leave a comment on my profile page.

[Tantwoforty]

its nice to see the same car i have looking sexy.
by same i mean color or inside and out:bigok:

[Gorilla Unit 33]

i thought the coolant resi and the ps resi had to be higher then the radiator and the ps pump? maybe im wrong? Tuck looks good though! still waiting to finish mine.

[S14_Kouki]

Lookin great good work!!

[Wake]

hey gorilla unit where did you get your fender tubs?

[Om1kron]

i thought the coolant resi and the ps resi had to be higher then the radiator and the ps pump? maybe im wrong? Tuck looks good though! still waiting to finish mine.

no, a swirl pot needs to be higher than the highest water level the coolant reserve does not need to be as it is insufficient in removing air pockets from the cooling system.

[hpipro4]

wait what kind of brown are you?

Im kinda feeling the brown, watch I guarantee in a year or two everyone is gonna be jocking brown and blue interior.

yeah im about to do a 5sp dohc swap and im thinking of doing a mild tuck and deleting/filling/painting some shit.
My engine bay is getting painted at least if nothing else.

pinoy!! fillipino...

where did you get your coolant reservoir from? pm me or leave a comment on my profile page.

sent u a pm

its nice to see the same car i have looking sexy.
by same i mean color or inside and out:bigok:

haha nice....

i thought the coolant resi and the ps resi had to be higher then the radiator and the ps pump? maybe im wrong? Tuck looks good though! still waiting to finish mine.

the ps tank is actually higher than the ps pump and the coolant tank is lower than radiator but seems to be working!

[Matej]

Does your power steering work alright? My reservoir is relocated to a similar spot, but I am worried it might act up because I know the pump is mostly gravity fed.

[hpipro4]

Does your power steering work alright? My reservoir is relocated to a similar spot, but I am worried it might act up because I know the pump is mostly gravity fed.

yea works good! my ps tank is actually lil higher than pump! also switch to royal purple max ez....it was making marbly noise but i was just lil low on the fluid...

[GSXRJJordan]

haha cocksucker...

just to be fair...
i had a short in my tps wiring which was fixed.
coil pack sub harness was mispinned.
and ecu power was not provided right by not crossing 1 wire into the equation.

bite me.

:love:

i thought the coolant resi and the ps resi had to be higher then the radiator and the ps pump? maybe im wrong? Tuck looks good though! still waiting to finish mine.

Does your power steering work alright? My reservoir is relocated to a similar spot, but I am worried it might act up because I know the pump is mostly gravity fed.

Coolant res can be wherever... it's only a catch tank for water that makes it past the radiator cap. The power steering reservoir is not gravity fed - when bled properly, you shouldn't have any problems with the inlet for the pump being at the same level or a little higher than the outlet of the reservoir... I ran my setup with a custom reservoir (-10an outlet and hose) and cooler for a year, and it would get noisy sometimes (meaning there's probably a little air in there) after high-rpm workouts, but always had pressure.

[Matej]

Very helpful information. Thank you.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

hey gorilla unit where did you get your fender tubs?
J-Tuned Motorsports
Mike Fagan - Fabricator
484-614-8595 ask for Jim tell him LJ sent you.

no, a swirl pot needs to be higher than the highest water level the coolant reserve does not need to be as it is insufficient in removing air pockets from the cooling system.

ok that make sense, i just wasnt too sure about the ps resi. I know that shit can be tricky sometimes.


On to other news, i was shooting to have my car finished and running by next weekend to be at the D1 event @ englishtown but i slipped up today working and almost cut my finger off. I should have stiches but i dont have insurance so im fucked. Anyway i cant solder or really do most of the work it would take to get my car done with one hand, so unless i find some really helpful dependable friends over night or some really good meds that will keep me coherant enough to do this shit its not hapening.

[driftertim]

Really sorry about your Finger man, be careful. I grew up in Sherman Oaks Cali n now im in Montreal Canada. Doing a similar tuck on my Coupe here. Thanks goodness for our Medical system because it doesnt cost a dime. If anything come over here for a visit stay with me n I'll take you to the hospital. I think I need some help with my wire tuck once I get more into finding out what I do and dont need. I was able to disassemble the 2 fuse boxes in the engine bay, pull everything inside through the Big hole on the LH- side and its all sitting on the floor of the passenger side. I removed my A/C system but im debating on keeping the heater core. I think that will open up some more space to put all that 6 feel of wiring/ loom. Correct me if im wrong but besides the Horn/ lights markers, CAS, MAF what else needs to be extended? Many thanks for such an amazing write up and inspiring work. I hope your digit feels better soon.

Cheers,
Tim

[Gorilla Unit 33]

Next time i anything hapens major, i might take you up on that offer, you will just have to pick me up from the airport with a wheel chair lol.

Now the only way i would ever take my heater core out is if you never ever plan on driving it in the cold, or if it was strictly a track car. I know i know the turbo may keep the temps up on the driver side since the exhaust comes right down by your feet but dude your in canada it gets cold there, just like it does here in PA if not colder. Now to the extension question you had. I extended all my wires because i tucked my whole harness, with another OEM Harness so all the wires are the same color.

My plans for the next few days are as follows. Pressure washing my bay in the morning. I should be done painting my bay and all the wiring/soldering tomorrow. Hopefully drop the motor in early thursday morning, connect everything make sure it runs, install clutch and trans. Then on Friday get my header connected into the rest of the exhaust :) all ready for Saturday HOPEFULLY D1!!!!1!!...

Thanks to OBEEWON stopping by giving me verbal influence today lol, JC8898 for helping me tape off the bay today!!!!

[GSXRJJordan]

Glad this thread is still attracting attention. I should have my interior wiring/security system finished in the next few days, I'll show ya what a 'real' tucked harness looks like lol.

Really sorry about your Finger man, be careful. I grew up in Sherman Oaks Cali n now im in Montreal Canada.

FAIL. :keke:

Anyway, you should really cut that mess of wire and re-solder the wires you need. Depending on where things are positioned, you may end up extending/shortening every wire, it's an undertaking.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

Ok so i woke up a little late yesterday and didnt get to pressure washing as early as i wanted to but at the end of the day im happy. I know i have a near impossible deadline, to some people but i know i can still reach it right now. Sand down, grind away any surface rust, seam sealed a little bit more, primed, sanded some more, and then lastly primed with high temp flat black primer.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/dsc_0035.jpg

This morning i figure on spraying three coats of high temp high gloss black and then finishing cleaning and painting the one side of my motor that i haven't gotten to yet :/. Install the thermal intake manifold gasket and then refer back to my JDS performance video to double check all my hose running on the under side of the intake manifold. After that install my steering rack bushings and then my motor mounts, drop the motor in and continue to hook everything up in hopes that it runs…. UP WITH HOPE…. down with…. well… nothing just fucking need to drive this thing god damn it!

[OBEEWON]

Dude, i didnt know you had a thread on here.

I wasn't able to pick my car up last night so it might be tonight. I'll keep you posted though. Looking good. Are you going to mask the cowl and spray all the way up to the top?

[Gorilla Unit 33]

Dude, i didnt know you had a thread on here.

I wasn't able to pick my car up last night so it might be tonight. I'll keep you posted though. Looking good. Are you going to mask the cowl and spray all the way up to the top?
Im actually removing it right now... updates in a lil

[RP El Fresco]

hey Bro i having some problems with my left corner turning signal for my silvia and i was wondering if you can help me out. the problem is that the light only works when the lights are off but when i turn on my headlights it stops working.

[Gorilla Unit 33]

hey Bro i having some problems with my left corner turning signal for my silvia and i was wondering if you can help me out. the problem is that the light only works when the lights are off but when i turn on my headlights it stops working.
sorry cant help you i dont have a sil front end.... look on Nico they normally have good write ups but it sounds like you have something hooked up wrong...

_______________________
Today is done....

im getting BEEEAAATTTT....

Dinner break; cooked steak and dogs for the people that helped!...

Engine bay is done...

Bolted up my manifolds...

Motor and trans are together...

Under coated my tubs and the rest of my wheel wells...

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC_0039.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC_0043.jpg

PD REP!!!!
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC_0040.jpg
PD REP!!!!

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC_0041.jpg

In the morning:

REPLACE OIL PAN GASKET (almost forgot!!!) and filter...

Install Sard thermostat and outlet pipe...

Replace water pump belt...

Dropping in my motor and trans...

Relocating my ps resi...

Solder all the wires correctly... (smelly240)

----248 Cam install possibly?----

Install new Valve cover...

Fill up with fluids, coolant/water and oil...

Start the engine make sure it runs---- MOST IMPORTANTLY!!!!

Re-Install Stealth Fab Front upper strut bar...

Re-Install dash and front end...

Start up and drive open header to J-Tuned to get a flange welded to the rest of my exhaust to bolt everything up...

-?-?-?-?-?-?-Ready for the ride to D1-?-?-?-?-?-?-?

Anyone got the day off tomorrow lol ? Im beat...

BIG THANKS TO Jim from J-Tuned for the help and trans bolts!!! ALSO BIG THANKS TO NICK (240_fun) for coming all the way from NJ just to help...

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC_0042.jpg

[hpipro4]

Dude, i didnt know you had a thread on here.

I wasn't able to pick my car up last night so it might be tonight. I'll keep you posted though. Looking good. Are you going to mask the cowl and spray all the way up to the top?

its my thread not his!!!!threadjacker:fawk:

[arabtitalator]

Hpipro4 do you have any shots of your center console like head on, looks so clean - props man looks freaking gorgeous.

[hpipro4]

Hpipro4 do you have any shots of your center console like head on, looks so clean - props man looks freaking gorgeous.

like this???

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7777/dsc06502w.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc06502w.jpg)

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3366/dsc06501zm.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc06501zm.jpg)

[Wake]

dude why is your center console like bright diarreah brown?

[hpipro4]

dude why is your center console like bright diarreah brown?

i painted it flat brown...was going to get a blk center console but dude flake on me!!!!

[arabtitalator]

like this???


Thats exactelly what i was looking for! Thanks, and for the dash if you wanted it black why dont you just paint it with some vinnyl rattle can spray?

[Devil Man]

hpipro4-

im a little confused as to what you did here. why did you still keep the stock fuse block by the drivers foot? did you just move the 2 fuse boxes from the engine bay underneather the dash? i am thinking about completly rewiring my entire car but really not sure if i want to take the task on. also with the a/c is it only one relay that runs the a/c system?

thanks

[hpipro4]

hpipro4-

im a little confused as to what you did here. why did you still keep the stock fuse block by the drivers foot? did you just move the 2 fuse boxes from the engine bay underneather the dash? i am thinking about completly rewiring my entire car but really not sure if i want to take the task on. also with the a/c is it only one relay that runs the a/c system?

thanks

my main task was to only re-located fuse/relay boxes from bay to cabin except w/o using the bulky boxes instead i use aftermarket fuse panel i got from egay and just place most of the relays behind glove box.

[Devil Man]

my main task was to only re-located fuse/relay boxes from bay to cabin except w/o using the bulky boxes instead i use aftermarket fuse panel i got from egay and just place most of the relays behind glove box.


i see. so with that small fuse block that you got from ebay you used that to power the relays that were in the engine bay. i think i got what you did then.

thanks

[hpipro4]

i see. so with that small fuse block that you got from ebay you used that to power the relays that were in the engine bay. i think i got what you did then.

thanks

yeah pretty much and replace all the fusible links with fuses! and i had extra spaces to add my alarms/power door/fan controller/etc fused power wires...

[teamsprock]

I have to say that you guys trying to do this in the car are crazy! I pulled out all my wiring in my 89 coupe so that I can paint the whole car so I will be removing all the extra wiring and putting the fuse boxes up under the dash when its all done.

Started unlooming things last night and it seems like it won't be too bad outside the car, but dang it looks like it sucks inside the car.

[HaloHaloStyle]

Nice install

[hpipro4]

Nice install

u a pinoy?

[n8RPS13]

Hey guys! I have a 90 recently just installed coilovers and am having some issues with the wiring rubbing against the tires. I have never had to do a wire tuck before and am not really sure where to start. Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Please no negative replies

[Genovese.Jr]

that dash kills it

[Brew]

Here is one I did back in the spring.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/simplemind7/IMG_1223.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/simplemind7/IMG_1224.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a192/simplemind7/IMG_1225.jpg

[hpipro4]

mine still lookin fresh!!!!!
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7742/dsc07040p.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc07040p.jpg)

[jiggs]

^^^ more pics mann, its too sickkk

[EchaKqulo]

+1

I want to see more pics too!!!

[punxva]

when you did the wire wrapping with the chinese finger trap looking material(the actual name escapes me) did you cut plugs off and re solder them or just stretched it around it? I've got some sitting in my room for when i wanted to tuck mine but didn't do it because i wasn't trying to cut all my connectors off and have to go back and re solder them back on.

[hpipro4]

^^^ more pics mann, its too sickkk

pics of bay??

+1

I want to see more pics too!!!

ill post some suspension mods n bay n interior pics in a few....

when you did the wire wrapping with the chinese finger trap looking material(the actual name escapes me) did you cut plugs off and re solder them or just stretched it around it? I've got some sitting in my room for when i wanted to tuck mine but didn't do it because i wasn't trying to cut all my connectors off and have to go back and re solder them back on.

yea i had to cut, de-pinned, soldered n re-pinned. took out the entire harness separated everything and labeled this and that where i cut em....time and patient my friend...

[punxva]

well props to you man, looks great.

[EchaKqulo]

yea i had to cut, de-pinned, soldered n re-pinned. took out the entire harness separated everything and labeled this and that where i cut em....time and patient my friend...
How or what kind of tool did you use to de-pin the connectors? I have tried with several glasses' screw drivers but have not been able to.

[nsn240]

I didn't read through this whole thing...

But i'm redoing the wiring in my hatch... pulled all the harnesses and worked backwards from the component into the harness - then depinned or cut it out. Eliminated all the popups/ac/auto trans/fog etc etc, only wires running up front are lights/horn/fan, everything thats left fits into one factory fuse box inside. Also ran my fuel pump, fan and defi's to fuses that were freed up in that box

Pulled all the seatbelts, A/T. A/C etc from the chassis harness. Goal was to pretty much shrink the factory wiring as much as possible without doing a full rewire from scratch

Been thinking about making a thread but im lazy

edit: read everything, good info.

[GSXRJJordan]

How or what kind of tool did you use to de-pin the connectors? I have tried with several glasses' screw drivers but have not been able to.

Most of the time, this is what I use ~

- Harbor Freight Tools - Quality Tools at the Lowest Prices (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=99562)
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/99500-99599/99562.gif

$2, I buy their whole stock whenever I go lol.

[hpipro4]

How or what kind of tool did you use to de-pin the connectors? I have tried with several glasses' screw drivers but have not been able to.

same stuff i use...works for me!

[EchaKqulo]

Thanks so much guys i'll give it try....

[Gorilla Unit 33]

Hpipro4 hope your not butt hurt over me sharing information about my tuck in your thread anymore but thought id come back and show you the final product of mine. It should be finished and running on the road in two days.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC_0057.jpg

[hpipro4]

Hpipro4 hope your not butt hurt over me sharing information about my tuck in your thread anymore but thought id come back and show you the final product of mine. It should be finished and running on the road in two days.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC_0057.jpg

haha..no im not!!!clean bay mr.

what header are you using?

[Wake]

both you sirs are redonkulous.

All I have done with harnesses so far is rip em out LOL

[Gorilla Unit 33]

haha..no im not!!!clean bay mr.

what header are you using?

I was able to hunt down a brand new still in the wrapping Hot Shot header, that hasnt been made for a couple (maybe 3 or 4) years now, with the Jet coating option aswell. I was totally happy about that, because im not a fan of most other header options out there for the KA no a days.


both you sirs are redonkulous.

All I have done with harnesses so far is rip em out LOL

LOL anything can be done with dedication and time.

One more pic so you can see both sides of the motor. Everything is plugged up!

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k253/gorillaunit33/DSC_0060.jpg

[2Fass240us]

Nice tuck/clean-up!

I did one on my S13 track car, but am having to go back and re-do everything to try to get the car legal. The single biggest wiring saver is those damned pop-up lights. If you go Silvia front or another fixed light, you can save a ton. A/C is another huge one, but some people can't do without it.

+1 on the coolant reservoir mounting. I mounted mine as pictured below and never had a single problem.
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o20/2Fass240us/Project_240/Moroso_01.jpg
Mine isn't as bling as yours though, but you can't beat a $20 part. :)

[GSXRJJordan]

You know what I really miss?

Having clean/straight OEM hardlines for brake and clutch.

I bought new ones from Ray @ WestCo Nissan and still had to bend them since my huge -6an fuel filter sits right where they 'angle down' on the pass side of the firewall. I'm debating just tucking them all inside the car now.

[Wake]

I have actually been considering remaking and running all my own hardlines after seeing how nissan routed them.

I now have a whole nother cars worth of wiring harnesses since i just stripped and junked another s13.

I cant wait until I move to a bigger facility and Im a little bit more comfortable spreading out and labeling everything.

[GSXRJJordan]

^^^ Yeah, I bought new hardlines last night and bent them up. Took forever, but looks pretty rad. Stock clutch line still, need to get that straightened out to match.

[91es13coop]

wow this is amazing. your thread really helped me out alot. ive done a mild one on an integra but our cars are alot different than ff hondas lol but great work man just started on mine tonight while reading this whole thing. thanks for the inspiration an unknowingly GREAT help :bowdown::bigok::rawk:

[teamsprock]

I just wanted to update the progress of mine. Labeled all my unused plugs while things where installed in the car. Pulled everything out and unloomed things. Then I just started at the clips and pulled the wires and fuse/relays out of the system. Wrapped it all back up and installed it up under the dash. I was able to get to where I only have one black relay box left, it's mounted behind where a stereo would go and faces out to the passenger fender well (I have no heater, so I have tons of space).

I will get pics up once I get everything finally cleaned up. I had to make sure the car ran fine before I tucked everything and finished it off. I just want to say that if I can do it with zero patience... anybody can do it.... just lable things and use your brain a little.

[Fries]

I'm considering doing a wire-tuck/wire elimination on the track vert. KA24DE.

Things I "need"
Ignition
Guages
Powerwindows
Taillights
Headlights
Turn signals

Anything else I'm missing?

[Tearlessj]

Does anyone have any idea where I can purchase pins that will work for the factory wiring clips? I plan to redo my harness using the old connectors with new pins.

[Tearlessj]

bump anyone?

[hpipro4]

Does anyone have any idea where I can purchase pins that will work for the factory wiring clips? I plan to redo my harness using the old connectors with new pins.

you can use the old connector pins...use a mini side cutter with the point...then re-crimp n solder for added safety...thats what i did when i did mine...would be nice tho if they sell pins...maybe change out the connectors? https://www.wirecare.com/deutschdt.asp?selectedContacts=12&theSeries=DTM


good luck

[D.Bo]

wat do you use to re crimp wires....or extend the wires...butt connectors or solder? wonderin cause im about to start mine soon

[PerilousActs]

I solder mine. Crimping is technically better (solder is uber fragile), but you have to use good crimps, not the items available at the hardware store. For most of us not doing race harnesses, soldering is probably the best way. Strip the wire the same length on both wires, lay them across each other in an X, then spin the ends around the wire. Next, heat the copper with the soldering iron and apply the solder directly to the copper and it should pull it in. That's how in a nutshell.

[hpipro4]

wat do you use to re crimp wires....or extend the wires...butt connectors or solder? wonderin cause im about to start mine soon

i use nothing but my good ol' weller gun n radioshack solder.

[GSXRJJordan]

wat do you use to re crimp wires....or extend the wires...butt connectors or solder? wonderin cause im about to start mine soon

Soldering (when done properly) is an electrically superior, and much more practical solution than using crimps - you have to remember that with automotive electronics, not every connection is simply carrying voltage. What I always teach is to ensure a solid mechanical connection before you apply any solder, then tin the tip of your gun/wand, apply it to the connection, and once the solder from the tip flows onto the joint apply solder to the joint itself (not the tip). The heat from the soldering tip will suck the solder through the joint, all you have to do is walk the tip up and down the joint a little bit.

I spent some considerable time tonight researching OEM Nissan connectors and their pins, and although many of the connectors are not in production anymore, I was able to find replacements for quite a few, and I believe I have replacement pins for all of them. We'll see when my shipments start rolling in next week (I had to place orders with multiple suppliers). I also got all the pins/sockets for LSx connectors, since that's a considerable part of my business nowadays.

[A54]

Nice pictures...

[gonshik007]

wow this looks clean makes me want to do it for my rb haha but I probably will not end up doing it!

[punn303]

any updates?

[hpipro4]

any updates?

tuck wise not really...car been running since i finish my tuck! but heres some stuff i've done...currently waiting for all my origin streamline kit to come in then some body works n paint.

rps13 garnish=jdm ego haha
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9080/s13pb.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s13pb.jpg)

stance LX+ luv em!
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1057/dsc00115lc.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00115lc.jpg)

suspension techniques sways
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8581/dsc00118fv.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00118fv.jpg)

PBM luv!
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9010/dsc06841.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc06841.jpg)

my clutch went out so i went with all this
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/936/dsc00004xl.jpg (http://img685.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00004xl.jpg)

finished my z33 caliper swap using stock e-brake cable
http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/5615/dsc00129s.jpg (http://img807.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00129s.jpg)

origins 20mm frts & tatakidashi 30mm rears
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6883/091510153600.jpg (http://img535.imageshack.us/my.php?image=091510153600.jpg)

tatakidashi 30mm...not sure if im going to run em!
http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8444/sam0014r.jpg (http://img580.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sam0014r.jpg)

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1530/sam1009.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sam1009.jpg)

jdm visor
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7026/sam1013.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sam1013.jpg)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3124/sam1014.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sam1014.jpg)

knock off gp 3pc wing test fit frm PDM racing
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1927/sam10141.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sam10141.jpg)

[90white240]

Nice dude your car is gonna look sepsy!

[hpipro4]

i guess ill make this as my build thread.....

went to pick n pull today and scored a 95' J30 vlsd. will transfer this inside my stock open diff pumpkin using stock 49t ring gear n 12t pinion.
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/963/092910110300.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/my.php?image=092910110300.jpg)

[Fries]

bumpity bump mr. hpipro. [p.s. good thing I didnt waste my time tucking on my ka24, the motor I had ended up being garbage, now researching how to eliminate all the bullshit on an sr20].

[hpipro4]

bumpity bump mr. hpipro. [p.s. good thing I didnt waste my time tucking on my ka24, the motor I had ended up being garbage, now researching how to eliminate all the bullshit on an sr20].

shouldnt be a headache if your just doing your engine harness. unless your redoing your fuse/relay boxes, like how i did mine thats went things get complicated well not really unless you know what your doing!

goodluck bud

[Fries]

I want to do a full over like you did, nothing a little more research wont fix. Get me learn'd real gud. Howd that aero come along?

[T chop]

I have an S13, Silvia headlights, no heater etc.

I can get rid of both relay boxes,both OEM fuse panels and replace it with about a 12-18 Fuse box? How many relays would I need?

[GSXRJJordan]

I've been doing a lot of custom chassis harnesses lately, but have come back to doing more OEM-style tuck-and-loom jobs on high-end cars that want to retain all their factory systems. By far the hardest system to keep is HVAC, just because there are so many different units (blower motor, mix door, etc, etc) and control is very decentralized... you end up not cutting anything out and having to re-wire the whole thing into your new chassis harness.

I have an S13, Silvia headlights, no heater etc.

I can get rid of both relay boxes,both OEM fuse panels and replace it with about a 12-18 Fuse box? How many relays would I need?

With Silvia headlights you lose the headlight up/down nonsense and the S13 doesn't have a headlight relay (power for the headlights goes through the switch). Losing HVAC saves a ton of headache. You'll still want an ignition relay to power your coil/coilpacks and ECU/sensors, fan relay(s) to kick on your electric fan(s), a fuel pump relay to handle the fuel pump, and your ignition switch with a big fuse on it to handle accessories. This is all assuming the most basic harness, and it gets complicated very quickly.

Like I tell everyone, no matter what car - if you read the FSM and can't instantly be comfortable with the wiring schematics, you will have a very difficult time at best, and create a nightmare that will never work at worst.

[T chop]

Ok that sounds not to bad, I was in the process of relocating my panels to the glove box but what I did was cut the harness, pull it out of the engine bay, loop it around the other way and solder it back together, but now it just looks fucked and it would probably be easier for me to just start over.

[GSXRJJordan]

Ok that sounds not to bad, I was in the process of relocating my panels to the glove box but what I did was cut the harness, pull it out of the engine bay, loop it around the other way and solder it back together, but now it just looks fucked and it would probably be easier for me to just start over.

Hope you marked everything, because I can think of 6 or 8 wires that are exactly the same size (or vary by one size) and have the same colors, in the same area. I've seen quite a few hacked chassis harnesses that don't work after something like that, and we have to start over.

[hpipro4]

agreed!!! sharpie n tape is ur buddy in wire tucking.

[T chop]

Hope you marked everything, because I can think of 6 or 8 wires that are exactly the same size (or vary by one size) and have the same colors, in the same area. I've seen quite a few hacked chassis harnesses that don't work after something like that, and we have to start over.

Ya I numbered them, but anyway I'm going to start 100% fresh. Engine harness is untouched and will remain untouched until everything is sorted out and I have my final setup as far as intake mani etc.

What do you guys think of using this setup?
14 CIRCUIT FUSE PANEL W/FLASHERS/HORN RELAY on eBay.ca (item 110448768946 end time 16-Dec-10 09:54:24 EST) (http://cgi.ebay.ca/14-CIRCUIT-FUSE-PANEL-W-FLASHERS-HORN-RELAY_W0QQitemZ110448768946QQcategoryZ6763QQcmdZVi ewItemQQ_trksidZp5197.m7QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DLVI%26i tu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63)

"
TR-1400 Replacement Fuse Block

The TR-1400 Replacement Fuse Block kit allows for just the fuse panel in your vehicle to be replaced. The TR-1400 also includes many of the great features that our complete wiring kits have. It includes:


14 Pre-wired and Fused Circuits
High / Low Beam
Parking Lights
Gauge Power / Interior / Dash Lights
Turn Signal / Hazard Lights
Brake Lights
Horn / Cooling Fan Circuit
Ignition/Coil/Distributor
Starter Circuit
Charging / Alternator Circuit
Fuel Pump
Radio / Accessory (Constant Hot)
Radio / Accessory (Ignition Hot)
AC/Heat Power & Fan
Pre-wired Neutral safety
14 ATC Fuses
Pre-wired Flasher Unit
Pre-wired Hazard Unit
Pre-wired Horn Relay
Compact easy to hide design
Pre-wired turn signal circuit
Connections in block are crimped and hand soldered
Aluminum Base
Brushed Aluminum Fuse Cover
Wires labeled by circuit & colored to match GM factory wiring codes
Instruction Booklet"

[GSXRJJordan]

The generic wiring harness/fuse block setups that I've seen don't do the important stuff very well ~ you're left with one ignition relay (usually fused at 30A) to handle everything that's ignition-switched. Not ideal. Depending on the chassis, you also have problems with lights/blinkers/etc.

Aside from that, they handle the little stuff well, and usually are a compact package.

[T chop]

What would you suggest then with out spending too much money? I want to be able to keep it under $300 for everything, I guess I could spend a little more for a good setup though.

[hpipro4]

thought id update my build......

scored a ka-t stuff locally and decided to take out dash again and re-wire/relocate where my gauges will go...decided that im going to ditch center vent and creat my own triple gauge pod using fiberglass stay tuned...
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/276/img0199m.jpg (http://img593.imageshack.us/i/img0199m.jpg/)
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7530/img0271sv.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/img0271sv.jpg/)
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6621/img0317af.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/img0317af.jpg/)
also wired in an viper 5901 remote start system...lovin it!
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3584/img0318mk.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/img0318mk.jpg/)
ditched the center and taped it with foil tape...y?? i dunno i felt like it..haha
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8859/img0327tq.jpg (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/img0327tq.jpg/)

moved some of the relays to the top so their not showing underneath glovebox.
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3900/img0328gd.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/img0328gd.jpg/)

i g0t very creative and modded my toplite that i never use and manage to fit my greddy mss(use as fan controller) in there w/o doing anything to much just using dremel w/cut off wheels and viola!!!!!i think it turn out perdy cool. wat ya think?
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/319/img0322of.jpg (http://img839.imageshack.us/i/img0322of.jpg/)
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3843/img0325pl.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/img0325pl.jpg/)

[Wake]

You sir, are my hero.

My new plan is to find a dash/chassis/engine room harness out of a 91+ with power options and completely rewire my piggy as a chuki when I do my dohc swap.

Then after i build a custom harness for a track car ill build a new one for my DD.

[GSXRJJordan]

That's supposed to be a tucked dash harness? I mean, I get that you de-loomed it and zip tied it, and I assume you cut some un-needed wiring out, but damn.

That still looks like a whole pile of stuff I don't want/need under a dash.

I'd also look into relay holders that can be mounted to a plate (or that heater box you still have) rather than having all your relays free-hanging and moving.

This is a custom fusebox/relay setup that I did for a SR20'd Datsun 510, retained all OEM functionality (with OEM switches, ugh) in addition to an alarm and 9 gauges.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs033.snc6/166352_165240433519348_100001001771150_324011_3800 032_n.jpg

Another one, you can see the three sections of loom that converge to cross the dash (engine harness, front chassis harness, rear chassis harness) and the back of the bulkhead connectors here
http://xgh1yq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pFkCJEWHhxI2DcgI6jJMZbA7o-b5tRj-7LWGWQ3TM1bnNS6Ofjkhu-x9Im34H76fegYuwg-YXPUz3A69VZ_HWnYTUr4lZBxyu/WP_000117.jpg

Are you still using the SMJ and driver's side interior fusebox?

[hpipro4]

You sir, are my hero.

My new plan is to find a dash/chassis/engine room harness out of a 91+ with power options and completely rewire my piggy as a chuki when I do my dohc swap.

Then after i build a custom harness for a track car ill build a new one for my DD.

haha im no hero...lol
i am too looking for a black dash.....been hitting my local junkyards but their all junks lol...maybe ill just paint my brown dash instead.

yea i didnt bother sleeving the wires since their underneath the dash...like anyones gonna be peeking thru...lol
works just fine i dont feel like changing em again but thats neat idea tho

[Wake]

I have a badly cracked black dash and a HUD dash with a tiny crack on the hood above the gauge cluster. dunno if that does you any good but if you plan on flocking or fiberglassing or something over a dash I got you covered.

Hey jordan you still any kind of write up or info on the wiring of that 510? I will be doing the same thin on my buddies dime pretty soon.

[GSXRJJordan]

Hey jordan you still any kind of write up or info on the wiring of that 510? I will be doing the same thin on my buddies dime pretty soon.

1) Remove all 510 wiring, clip off 2" pigtails for tail light wiring.
2) Pen and paper the new electrical system, choose circuits, fuses, then wire size
3) Run wire, solder into pigtails as close as possible to connector
4) Loom everything. Loom some more. Then do some more looming.
5) Connect crappy 1960's switches to your awesome new harness, making it only slightly more reliable than it was
6) Test
7) /wrists if anything doesn't work, since you've already loomed it all (my stuff always works)

[s13coupej]

What wires u had to extend as for starter and alternator haha im no hero...lol
i am too looking for a black dash.....been hitting my local junkyards but their all junks lol...maybe ill just paint my brown dash instead.

yea i didnt bother sleeving the wires since their underneath the dash...like anyones gonna be peeking thru...lol
works just fine i dont feel like changing em again but thats neat idea tho

[idahotuner]

keep the brown, i like it.

[GSXRJJordan]

What wires u had to extend as for starter and alternator

I generally run a 100amp inline fuse in a marine fuse holder between the alternator and starter on a street car with 4ga Mil-spec wire, then 4ga back to the battery with a large fuse near the battery to protect the wire running through the car (200A-300A). Then you just loop the alternator exciter wire up to the alternator charge post and you're set.

[Likethunda]

at first i thought "this dude is nuts"..... but as i see your Results..im LIke "Wow".... Mad Props..... whish i had the patients for wiring.... well i guess i might since im building up my hatch right now.. =).....

[hpipro4]

thought id update my build....just recently finished my ka-t here it is....

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8030/img0680ut.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/img0680ut.jpg/)

[usdm180sx]

wait what kind of brown are you?

Im kinda feeling the brown, watch I guarantee in a year or two everyone is gonna be jocking brown and blue interior.

yeah im about to do a 5sp dohc swap and im thinking of doing a mild tuck and deleting/filling/painting some shit.
My engine bay is getting painted at least if nothing else.

I loves teh brown interior. And I'm Pinoy too :) Nice job on the wire tuck!

[hpipro4]

I loves teh brown interior. And I'm Pinoy too :) Nice job on the wire tuck!

interior is all blk now!!!haha

glad to see other pinoys here...

[punn303]

looks good

[EjMalernee]

Nice job man. This thread and the info in it has helped me so much. I was at a real lost when I started my tuck. Now I understand a lot more.

[hpipro4]

Nice job man. This thread and the info in it has helped me so much. I was at a real lost when I started my tuck. Now I understand a lot more.

thnx! glad it helped you bro.

[future]

Power numbers?

[hpipro4]

Power numbers?

still havent gone to a dynoshop yet......

[Bubba]

Damnit man. This is probably one of the best threads I've come across so far.
Thanks for all of the helpful info, and thank you Jordan for answering one of my biggest questions.

Harnesses are de-loomed now and I'm laminating my diagrams.

[signals13]

dang dude nice build would love my engine bay to look like that. how those stance lx+ coilovers feel? i've been looking for those for a long time.

[hpipro4]

dang dude nice build would love my engine bay to look like that. how those stance lx+ coilovers feel? i've been looking for those for a long time.

luv em!! slammed and comfy at the same time. they go super low! softer than ksport thats for sure.

[hpipro4]

so i decided to retrofit another h4 housing with morimoto d2s bi-xenon projectors.
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8168/img0840kf.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/i/img0840kf.jpg/)
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9553/img0983ag.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/img0983ag.jpg/)
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2487/img0975uv.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/img0975uv.jpg/)
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4323/img0841nv.jpg (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/img0841nv.jpg/)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5627/img0988fx.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/img0988fx.jpg/)

[hpipro4]

most recent pics of the interiors/bay. enjoi...
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6743/img1005d.jpg (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/img1005d.jpg/)
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4346/img1009zh.jpg (http://img829.imageshack.us/i/img1009zh.jpg/)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9562/img1011gs.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/img1011gs.jpg/)
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8184/img1008hf.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/img1008hf.jpg/)

[x2fast2belegalx]

i have that steering wheel! haha.

i plan on trying to do a wire tuck this year. definitely nice to see a thread on it

[longbeachstateofmind]

very nice work

[Bubba]

Here is an in process picture of my nightmare. Can't wait to finish and get back to driving.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh266/S13Bubba/Franken40/1507819831_photobucket_23060_.jpg

[justinbyrant]

kind of an old thread but would you possibly be willing to make me a set of those headlights?

[juliocesarl_405]

U guys are crazy...
Do mine next LOL
i wonder wha something like
this would cost at a shop

[Edwin562]

nice work.

[GSXRJJordan]

U guys are crazy...
Do mine next LOL
i wonder wha something like
this would cost at a shop

We do Mil-spec tucked/loomed wiring for lots of S-chassis guys, including most of the Formula D guys. We can do it remotely as well. If you're interested, shoot me a message with specifics.

[justinbyrant]

hey Jordan i was wondering if you guys sell that expandable nylon wire sleeving by the foot, im in the process of tucking my engine bay wiring and really want some of that stuff

[GSXRJJordan]

hey Jordan i was wondering if you guys sell that expandable nylon wire sleeving by the foot, im in the process of tucking my engine bay wiring and really want some of that stuff

We can, but we're not really in the business of retailing the parts. Shoot me a message with how much you need (linearly) and what size (wire bundle diameter), and I can let you know what it'll cost for the loom and associated adhesive heat shrink.

[Wake]

MAKE ME A NEW BODY HARNESS!!! lol

Is it wrong to want all new wiring in my 20yo pos? People look at me like Im crazy when I talk about restoring my car.

[GSXRJJordan]

MAKE ME A NEW BODY HARNESS!!! lol

Is it wrong to want all new wiring in my 20yo pos? People look at me like Im crazy when I talk about restoring my car.

We do new chassis harnesses all the time man :) They all start with pulling every scrap of factory wiring out of the car!

[Wake]

Well i can do that no prob! have done it a million times.

Painless is just not painless. and i trust you guys way more than myself lol.

How much would a full harness with all power options be?
could you make provisions for different motors to be swapped in and out?
could you make my OBD plug still work?

[sr20surfin]

:bowrofl: amazing work man

[GSXRJJordan]

Well i can do that no prob! have done it a million times.

Painless is just not painless. and i trust you guys way more than myself lol.

How much would a full harness with all power options be?
could you make provisions for different motors to be swapped in and out?
could you make my OBD plug still work?

I'm going to be putting something together for our new web site that describes all this, since I answer two or three PM's a day with this exact question :)

If you don't get a message from me over the weekend, shoot me a PM!

[repda916]

^^^^^^^^^
I need a 1uzfe to s13 harness done, PM me with what we need to do to set up a transaction.

[dpritchard4]

Does anyone know if a soch and doch engine bay harness the same??? After reading this thread i really wanna try one, but dont have the guts to tear mine apart. My goal is a full engine tuck for my sr vert(wiring specialities upper and lower, w 5 speed conversion). Vert is power and auto no abs, soch harness was power, manual, no abs. Any help would b great.

[jbretz]

david i would try to go with a ezwiring kit or rebel wire. allows you to put shit wherever you want

[Wake]

no they are not the same.

Ask gsxrjjordan or chase bays. They will take care of you

[specv118]

wow is all i can say. nice work

[c_mancuyas8]

I needs to do aloooot of work!

hpipro great job. Pinoy skills!!! hahaha

[hpipro4]

decided to cover the entire interior with sound deadening material i got from ebay called fatmat. same stuff as the dynamat but less expensive. while im at it, going to laydown a new blk carpet frm stockinteriors.com cheaper if you bid on their ebay store. while gutting the interiors, some of my wirings were on the way so im re-wirings things around....enjoi

tear down....
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/6839/img1457ic.jpg (http://img853.imageshack.us/i/img1457ic.jpg/)
ya! ill be running optima d51r yellow top aka honda battery lol
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9184/img1458mw.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/img1458mw.jpg/)
yikes....
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/623/img1459e.jpg (http://img84.imageshack.us/i/img1459e.jpg/)
fatmat 50mil
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8093/img1463js.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/img1463js.jpg/)
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/4619/img1464f.jpg (http://img861.imageshack.us/i/img1464f.jpg/)
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/5659/img1465js.jpg (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/img1465js.jpg/)

this my old fuse panels....no problems but i need more stuff to fused..
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1903/img1449io.jpg (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/img1449io.jpg/)
mock up of the new fuse panels.....got a bigger fuse block n midi holder(replaces the 75amp fusible links)
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8628/img1469q.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/i/img1469q.jpg/)
factory relays were bulky so i found these on ebay...
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9163/img1528x.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/img1528x.jpg/)
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/667/img1529h.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/i/img1529h.jpg/)
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6345/img1530xe.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/img1530xe.jpg/)
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6345/img1530xe.jpg (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/img1530xe.jpg/)

[justinbyrant]

god damnit hpipro just leave it alone lol you cant fix something thats perfect

[hpipro4]

god damnit hpipro just leave it alone lol you cant fix something thats perfect

after this i think ill be done with it lol....

[justinbyrant]

is the sleeving you used for the engine harness the expandable stuff that you can fit the plugs into so you dont have to cut or depin the plugs? and roughly how much of it did you use? and lastly where did you get it?

[hpipro4]

ya but youll still need to de-pin connectors bc its usually not big enough to expand to go thru the connectors. i used a bunch of the wire sleeving stuff. i got some frm ebay and some from parts-express.com called techflex

[justinbyrant]

im looking at soe stuff on cable organizer.com thats a little more expensive but is heat and abrasion resistant and at buyheatshring.com they have some thats supposed to expand up to 3x its regular size, i just dont know what sizes to get, what did you use most of and how did you keep the wires from moving around inside of it?

[hpipro4]

ya i bought stuff frm them bfore. i mainly use 1/8, 1/4, 3/8 & 1/2

[justinbyrant]

ok cool, last questions lol did you use a hot knife to cut it? i had someone tell me you could seal the braided stuff with a heat gun? and did you just use shrink wrap to end the wires

[hpipro4]

ok cool, last questions lol did you use a hot knife to cut it? i had someone tell me you could seal the braided stuff with a heat gun? and did you just use shrink wrap to end the wires

nah just use scissors n heat shrink at the end.

[dpritchard4]

so being a rookie at this, ive finally found the differences between the two harnesses, which may or may not be a big deal, really depends on what your doing with the car. the next step is determining whats needed with an sr swap.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lymvabMT9b1r0vt7go1_500.jpg
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lymvasb6781r0vt7go1_500.jpg

[Bubba]

nah just use scissors n heat shrink at the end.

I just heated the end of a paint scraper and pressed the sleeving over the hot edge. Homemade hot knife FTW.
Otherwise, heat shrink over all ends to prevent fraying and future wire diagnosis without an act of congress. I like how clean it looks so I will just deal with the headache later on down the road.

[justinbyrant]

well i got my engine harness all done up now im moving on to the engine bay harness that goes around the outside, it seems pretty straightforward doesnt look to difficult however has anyone found out if some of the relays for the pop ups can be condensed somehow? since there is like 6 of them and a couple fuses

[xiteamxi]

[QUOTE=dpritchard4;4490188] the next step is determining whats needed with an sr swap. -also interested in this if you have to change plugs or any thing before i get it done then have to tare back into it, also interested in how to eliminate the relays for the flip ups and ac.

[justinbyrant]

well i got mine all done and running good, i will post some pics up in a few days, i did basicly the same thing hpipro did except i mounted my fuses in my blovebox upsaide down and i didnt link mine, i ran one for key on power and one for constant power with an inline alt fuse, condensed all my relays and put them in the stock relay box that goes under the stock air intake box and put that behind my ecu where the cruise control ecm usually goes

[JohanM]

Started working on the chassis harness, so far i got the fuse/relay panel done.
Need to get some hardware,and order the right size female conectors (they shipped the wrong size) and then i will have the panel all done.
i will keep updating as i go.

sorry for the crappy cell phone pics.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/jblazze/chassisharness7.jpg
lay out
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/jblazze/chassisharness6.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/jblazze/chassisharness1.jpg

[GSXRJJordan]

You have 10 circuits total? I'll give you a hint, you don't need 10 relays.

I dig that people are tackling these projects and do their research on what to buy/etc, and do a good job making the panels/harnesses... but the design is the most important part!! Proper diagramming means that you know EXACTLY what is on each circuit, and design each circuit for maximum functionality with the minimum number of parts (among other things)... that's where a lot of your reliability comes in.

Serviceability is next, make sure you're not throwing those panels some place where they're going to be stepped on or get wet or whatever, but lets make sure you can get to them (preferably while strapped in) if you need to check something.