What would be a better motor for my FC?

[NoPistons!]

I decided not to invest another penny in my rotary. Only what it needs to run. It is stock (somewhat.....) and na so i expect it to last for a year or two of beating on it drifting and i'm doing swap homework now.

My question is, do you think i should do a ka-t swap or an sr20det swap?

What would YOU do and why?



P.S. I plan on getting an s13 coupe as a daily as well as keeping my fc. S13 will retain the ka if you're curious.

[Ceepo]

LS1 swap...

[NoPistons!]

Dont get me wrong. I love the rotary. I just dont want to see myself screaming "fuck. fuck. fuck. fuck. fuck." when i destroy it b/c i wasn't happy with n/a power and put an hx40 on it. It costs quite a bit to repair a rotary in the event they go and i have THE WORST luck anyway.

The throttle respons and powerband of the ls1 is fantastic but the pricetag of the swap kit, engine, and trans exceeds the pricetag of the 1-4 swap. I also dont feel the v8 sounds right in an rx7, let alone a 240. Good motors, it's just my own stupid princible.

[GroundPerformance]

I'd like to see KA-T on an FC even though most may think otherwise. GL!

[ErocKs13]

i vote KA-t or a N/a built 4ag

[GSXRJJordan]

That car won't respond well to a lot of weight up front - LS1 offsets that with pure bad-assery, but a KA? WTF?

Do the LS1 and love yourself, or do the SR and love the fact that it cost half as much. Leave the KA's for street-duty S-chassis only.

[Ceepo]

My vote is still LS1, but a sr20det would be cool, if you have the tools and skills to do either swap the car would be sick...

[Zerolift Autolab]

I would say it all comes down to the purpose of the vehicle.

If its a track rat just going to be beat on - by all means throw whatever you want at it.

Road use primarily - stick with something simple

[4x4le]

I vote sr or even ca possibly, but probably not the ka, not for your car. I wouldnt want a heavy engine (in any car) in a fc drift car, it will just throw off the weight too much.

[bardabe]

My Vote goes to an RB20

[NoPistons!]

Rb20? Why? Aparently parts are REALLY hard to find for that engine.

4ag and nissan engines have the exhaust crap ever so close to where the brake/clutch hydraulic systems are as well as the steering column.

I did some research last night on a 2jz swap. Yes, it's a heavy ass motor but i figured if people were swapping them into s-chassis and fd3s rx7's that it was worth looking into. It is a heavy motor and throws off the rx7's balance but i really dont care. I'll compensate somewhere and re-learn to drive it.

www.2jzswap.com (http://www.2jzswap.com) sells EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING to make it complete bolt in plug and play. It takes most of the headache out of it. However, there are so many fucking variations of 1jz and 2jz motors....... There are no plans to build the engine or upgrade anything other than the fuel pump. I want to see what the car will do with stock twins on stock boost. I'll be purchasing a motor (once i decide which variant i want) in january next year. Maybe sooner. All depends on what happens between now and then.

Again, why am i on zilvia? I like you guys. No homo.

I hope you keep me around. I wont dissapoint.

[v8hunting]

love the sound of a skyline motor my self
rb26 ohhh my god ohhh my god were going to die

and you can get parts there just expensive errrrrr any want a rb26 lol

[S14DB]

Hinson Super Cars (http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/)

[ESmorz]

Again, why am i on zilvia? I like you guys. No homo.

I hope you keep me around. I wont dissapoint.

Cause you got kicked off VRT. :cj:

Jump on the bandwagon, elllesssuno

[lflkajfj12123]

swap in a 13bro

[bardabe]

Rb20? Why? Aparently parts are REALLY hard to find for that engine.

4ag and nissan engines have the exhaust crap ever so close to where the brake/clutch hydraulic systems are as well as the steering column.

I did some research last night on a 2jz swap. Yes, it's a heavy ass motor but i figured if people were swapping them into s-chassis and fd3s rx7's that it was worth looking into. It is a heavy motor and throws off the rx7's balance but i really dont care. I'll compensate somewhere and re-learn to drive it.

www.2jzswap.com (http://www.2jzswap.com) sells EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING to make it complete bolt in plug and play. It takes most of the headache out of it. However, there are so many fucking variations of 1jz and 2jz motors....... There are no plans to build the engine or upgrade anything other than the fuel pump. I want to see what the car will do with stock twins on stock boost. I'll be purchasing a motor (once i decide which variant i want) in january next year. Maybe sooner. All depends on what happens between now and then.

Again, why am i on zilvia? I like you guys. No homo.

I hope you keep me around. I wont dissapoint.


No they are not, Westcovina Nissan, Skylineshop.com and Phase2motor Trend stock lots of parts for the RB. they cross reference to US cars too. Nicoclub.com has shit tons of part numbers and freshalloy.com does too. I used to have an RB. i would know.

[Sarra]

My vote would be an NA 20B, honestly. If not, then... I dunno. Not feeling putting an I4 into a FC.

Edit: If you do put an I4 in, put in a 4B11T. It'll cost bank, but you'll have the awesomest motor ever. And hey, twinscroll. I don't have any clue what-so-ever what would work for a gearbox, though, unless you want to spend even more massive amounts of bank to convert to AWD.

[HellonFire]

Did I hear SR FC?

I would go that route if your looking for tons of aftermarket, and I4 setup. Or just go LS1 like mentioned.

Tyler

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/candykane101/SRFC/New/HPIM2791.jpg

[JohnnyDrfiter22]

3.8L V6 out of a Buick Gran National.

[HyperTek]

get another 13bt, but a good condition 13bt.... I had an sr20 in my s13, and the obvious rotary in my fc.. SR20 is like fool proof, Rotary you have to make sure everything is in proper shape before you beat on it... SR20 will have more torque thats for sure. I know with my 13bt , its like i have to rev up and slip the clutch to get it moving and keep the revs high for clutch kicks etc...

If you want sr20, you could pick up a dirt cheap KA just to swap over, same motor mounts and drive shaft, so for cheap you could get the KA running til you get enough for a sr20..

S13 SR20 with S14 or S15 T28 bb turbo, 550cc injectors, apexi safc or some piggy back system and a fmic = 300hp with tuning.

Im not sure the much the weight difference will be between 13bt and sr20 though, i figure might be a lil more front heavy after swap. But than you will have a 240sx with a crappy FC rear suspension lol

[NME-S14]

1jz cuz the weight is almost equal to the 13b so you wouldn't lose it's legendary grip touge nimbleness traits.

or a turbo'd miata engine. HAHA!.... no... im serious exact same weight as the 13b a little better out-put then na 13b but in common sense piston form.

thats what i would have done if i kept my fc...

[Bubbles]

I'd so own a rotary if I knew how to work on em, but fuck I don't know how to work on regular cars and I've owned tons of em.

[ayuaddict]

im gonna have to go with SR, simply because its easier and more reliable in my opinion.

...and just out of curiosity why would you put a 4ag in anything?

[ESmorz]

why would you put a 4ag in anything?

:bow:

Only thrown out.

The end.

[HungryHank]

ka24e

DO IT

[ESmorz]

Why should he downgrade?

[GSXRJJordan]

Why should he downgrade?

Nothing's a downgrade from a blown 13b.

*MAZDA LULZ*

After careful consideration, a 20b N/A would be lightweight, "brand-conscious", and damned reliable. Shouldn't be much more money than a 13b either.

[soreballz]

Anybody else find it funny that his username is "NoPistons", and he wants to put a piston engine in his FC?

[thejapino]

fuck it, FORD 5.0! cheapness
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p301/hoblick/DSC_0347.jpg

[LongGrain]

srfc

msglngth

[ZilviaKid]

i dunno man, a couple of nissan sr20 motors would pull a premium 2 weeks before racewars. id say go ls1, or that ford 302 that was just posted if you wanna do it on the cheap.

[ESmorz]

Nothing's a downgrade from a blown 13b.

*MAZDA LULZ*

After careful consideration, a 20b N/A would be lightweight, "brand-conscious", and damned reliable. Shouldn't be much more money than a 13b either.

It's not blown...

yet.

[Ghostdrifter]

LS1 hands down. Tons of cheap go fast parts, reliable, easy to work on, 6spd tranny, good mpg

[army240]

Yeah, i'd go with a sr20 swap! Here's my reason :
Weight, the 13B weight around 337 lbs, and the SR20 is around 328 lbs. So the weight distribution is pretty much the same.
Parts reliability : Well, there are parts everywhere.
For the swap itself, well you know... everything is possible, it has been done in the past!

Frank

[TravisSW]

LSx
/end thread.

[PVong]

I'm bias, LS1 of course :)

[Bubbles]

FD with LS1, were you tired of living the dream?

[Pank]

V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8
V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8
V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8 V8

or a steam engine

[BustedS13]

...gallo 24

[Sarra]

or a steam engine

Freaking awesome. With today's technology, you could get like... Decent V8 power, and it would weigh, what, 5x as much?

I'd say, find a Deltic motor that would fit, or build one yourself. It would probably be diesel, but you would be able to tow a camper or something with it. :)

[MandTPhotography]

Go TII and do it right...

My friends got an NA S5 FC and he's had no problems with it while roadcoursing and sliding the piss out of it. NA Rotaries are really reliable.

[flip3d]

...gallo 24

Maybe you can get it delivered from the pizza place.

[longdy]

Go TII and do it right...

My friends got an NA S5 FC and he's had no problems with it while roadcoursing and sliding the piss out of it. NA Rotaries are really reliable.

I dont think so... i went to one track event only one! and the NA motor is about ready to go!!!.. OMG.. swap a RB20 or even RB25!!!!

[GSXRJJordan]

Go TII and do it right...

My friends got an NA S5 FC and he's had no problems with it while roadcoursing and sliding the piss out of it. NA Rotaries are really reliable.

I've heard the exact same things from die-hard rotary heads. Stay NA and you can have all 150hp for as long as you want.

I dont think so... i went to one track event only one! and the NA motor is about ready to go!!!.. OMG.. swap a RB20 or even RB25!!!!

Sounds like you didn't have a rebuilt TII, just a tired one. Your RB20 suggestion is the absolute worst thing I've ever heard, as discussed previously.

[MandTPhotography]

Go TII, as I said already.

Yeah NA FC's are slow as pissballs but it'll be reliable. Depends what you want it for.

[speed_racerx]

Sounds like you didn't have a rebuilt TII, just a tired one. Your RB20 suggestion is the absolute worst thing I've ever heard, as discussed previously.

what's wrong with the RB20 route? nothing was really discussed besides parts availability. too heavy of an engine?

[Kouki_Love]

i would personally do an SR.. my roomate is doing an SR on his fc and hes almost done with the swap.. good powerband and very realiable for my experience..

good luck with it.

[Shells]

...gallo 24

lol. Bravo. That's the first thing I thought when I read the title as well.

[GSXRJJordan]

what's wrong with the RB20 route? nothing was really discussed besides parts availability. too heavy of an engine?

Yeah, it weighs an extra 100lbs at least compared to a SR, offers no increase in power, even worse weight balance, and its more expensive.

TII wouldn't be bad, they're super cheap. SR is good, definitely better torque curve, while still being "JDM". LS1 would be quadruple the cost, but 10x as fun.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Well here's the deal with the LS vs SR thing, sure its cheaper to swap in an SR but to get an SR to get to the same HP level as an LS, itll cost you more than it would cost just to swap in an LS to begin with. I had a buddy do this and he kept all his receipts. He got the shit done for a hair over $8k when everything is said and done. He put down 305whp with 360 ft/lbs with intake, custom manifold to clear the rack and exhaust.

[unlegendary]

TII Turbo or N/A rotary motor, everything is cheap on the forums, won't need machine shops for a FULL internal rebuild, and keeping it oem.

kinda like why people wanna go with vq35de over a ls1 cause they wanna keep it nissan, but everyone can do whatever they want.

or if you're baller, a 20b would be nice.

[illvialuver]

this thread made me laugh, your name is no pistons! and your done with rotory motors because you consider them a waste of time and money, so NOW you want something with pistons.

It's like the leader of the kkk trying to hook up with a king magazine cover model.

Anyway, I am just joking but good luck with the swap, I would say na go with the ka, but sr for turbo, and if you wanna start with gobs of power get an ls1.

[tanks13]

just go turbo II gt28 a j port or some shit like that and you golden just check you oil all the time rotaries are good engines if you treat them right

or if you want a 20b hit me up i get them kinda cheap

[speed_racerx]

Yeah, it weighs an extra 100lbs at least compared to a SR, offers no increase in power, even worse weight balance, and its more expensive.

i've found a RB20 motorset for $1300 (http://www.jdm-online.com/jdm-engines/nissan-engines/rb-series/jdm-rb20det-r32-skyline.html) v.s. a SR20 motorset for $1600 (http://www.jdm-online.com/jdm-engines/nissan-engines/sr-series/jdm-sr20det-s13-90-93-silvia.html) from the japanese importer vendor on here. so that throws the expense theory out the window.

but yea.. from looking at the info on the pages, the sr would be better. but the rb is about $300 cheaper.

I'm not promoting the rb20 or anything. just want to throw out some information for people who might be interested

here's a dyno sheet of a rb20 for shits and giggles
fmic and 14psi
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m372/cornwhiskey/dyno.jpg

[longdy]

nice find anthony!..lol

i've found a RB20 motorset for $1300 (http://www.jdm-online.com/jdm-engines/nissan-engines/rb-series/jdm-rb20det-r32-skyline.html) v.s. a SR20 motorset for $1600 (http://www.jdm-online.com/jdm-engines/nissan-engines/sr-series/jdm-sr20det-s13-90-93-silvia.html) from the japanese importer vendor on here. so that throws the expense theory out the window.

but yea.. from looking at the info on the pages, the sr would be better. but the rb is about $300 cheaper.

I'm not promoting the rb20 or anything. just want to throw out some information for people who might be interested

here's a dyno sheet of a rb20 for shits and giggles
fmic and 14psi
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m372/cornwhiskey/dyno.jpg

[driftking777]

Did someone say ka-t in an Rx7...Blasphemy!

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/driftking777/RX7/DSC01166.jpg

I love whoring out pics of my car :wavey:

[GSXRJJordan]

i've found a RB20 motorset for $1300 (http://www.jdm-online.com/jdm-engines/nissan-engines/rb-series/jdm-rb20det-r32-skyline.html) v.s. a SR20 motorset for $1600 (http://www.jdm-online.com/jdm-engines/nissan-engines/sr-series/jdm-sr20det-s13-90-93-silvia.html) from the japanese importer vendor on here. so that throws the expense theory out the window.

There's more to owning/modding an engine than the original buying price. :duh:

RB20s are by no means rare, but they're a small enough portion of the performance market (because NO ONE with any cash/any choice lol runs an RB20) that finding parts is more difficult/expensive than SRs. RBs are always more expensive.

[HyperTek]

^thats true, you can like walk into any tuner shop and order SR20 parts lol. Alot of distributors have SR20 parts in stock ready to ship.. I dunno about something like a rb20 metal headgasket etc

[Matej]

NA CA18 with an Ebay cone filter.

Non-conformist.

[speed_racerx]

There's more to owning/modding an engine than the original buying price. :duh:

RB20s are by no means rare, but they're a small enough portion of the performance market (because NO ONE with any cash/any choice lol runs an RB20) that finding parts is more difficult/expensive than SRs. RBs are always more expensive.

^thats true, you can like walk into any tuner shop and order SR20 parts lol. Alot of distributors have SR20 parts in stock ready to ship.. I dunno about something like a rb20 metal headgasket etc

good point.

LOL!!! nice Cadillac RX7

[4x4le]

just go turbo II gt28 a j port or some shit like that and you golden just check you oil all the time rotaries are good engines if you treat them right

or if you want a 20b hit me up i get them kinda cheap

Wouldnt that be kinda small of a turbo for a rotary???? From what I have seen you usually need a bigger turbo on a rotary in order to make decent power because of their flow demands on both intake and exhaust.

[Omarius Maximus]

hayabusa motor.

[murda-c]

hayabusa motor.


This is a better idea (http://www.h1v8.com/page/page/1562068.htm)

[Black Guy]

Wouldnt that be kinda small of a turbo for a rotary???? From what I have seen you usually need a bigger turbo on a rotary in order to make decent power because of their flow demands on both intake and exhaust.
Thats really small for a rotary. A 60-1 does work on those motors though. Heres super star Jlowe from here in the southeast. Built motor, 60-1, Lowe Performance, profit???
YouTube - jeremy lowe drifting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cqtybw3JVs)
YouTube - Jeremy Lowe Drifting for the N.B.D.T. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBIWhfcTS4s)
Easily one of the rawest FC's in the south east.

[Sarra]

Dude, buy a Toyota F1 motor and put that in your FC.