Don't buy ebay arms.

[ZenkiMR_S]

My brother bought an s14 from someone here on zilvia and found a lot of crap on it.
quick cliff notes:
found a car on here with coilovers, jic ruca, greddy exhaust, and bride seat.
seller said that the car has never been in an accident.
almost die on the freeway
found a bend/ cracked RUCA.
turns out it's not jic. :wtc:
bought powered by max RUCAs and shot pics to compare.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c78/coil2daover/1241054960074.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c78/coil2daover/1241054980034.jpg

thank god we're still alive

[anotherblusi]

hehe to bad half the people on this forum are dumbasses and will still buy cheap quality arms.

[didderson]

Damn dude I'm glad you're alright. I'm glad your car is probably alright too seeing you bought a replacement part!
PBM won't let you down!

[FRpilot]

pass on ebay and other cheap crap all day long. i rather run stock.

heard of the welds being bad, but that looks like some really thin metal.

[Sl3KA]

Ouch, good thing you and your car is in one piece. Ebay is bad news for things like this... I only go for eBay for anything that won't endanger my life. Like batteries.

[mrflip69]

Was the RUCA already bent/cracked? Were you just cruising the freeway or did you fly over a bump?.. lol

On another note, daaaaayum, look at the size difference of the walls and bearing!

[ZenkiMR_S]

Was the RUCA already bent/cracked? Were you just cruising the freeway or did you fly over a bump?.. lol

On another note, daaaaayum, look at the size difference of the walls and bearing!
no idea, we bought the car and everything was fine, then shit just went bananas. it was crazy like mario kart.

[NoPistons!]

That shit is def garbage.

Nobody seems to complain about megan racing's products though. However, these posted look like generic taiwan knockoffs made in the closet at some shoe factory.

Kinda related but honda chassis.


My buddy bought a camber kit off ebay. The usual no name kit. Front and rear and almost died not once but twice because of them comming lose/cracking.

They use terrible quality raw materials, dont heat treat shit and the QC is terrible.

[flip3d]

Ouch, good thing you and your car is in one piece. Ebay is bad news for things like this... I only go for eBay for anything that won't endanger my life. Like batteries.

Batteries? Put that shit in a box so it doesn't blow up in your face.

[Brian]

good call.

see people, buying the cheap stuff DOES have a down side.

[CrimsonRockett]

Awesome.

I'm glad I replaced my stock with Powered By Max.

Then replaced my Powered by Max with Kazama.

Then my Kazama's for Cusco's.

Seriously though, don't cheap out on ANYTHING.

Your life isn't worth a few bucks in savings.

[dOMEmE]

chichis christ! i almost bought some until i saw this!!!

[YoungGun]

Same thing happened to me except toe arms.

The chrome ones suck, the welds are so bad.

[duffman1278]

omfg so much shearing stress on those thin walls.

Definitly not good

[artdrifter]

I wouldn't buy really important stuff on ebay. Suspension stufff like that is asking for it

[ixfxi]

fuck!



i just bought a set of solid arms off ebay for my racecar. :( :(

oh well, good thing i'm a ride-r-die mofo! aha

[lonelywanderer]

those look really low quality compared to the powered by max ones. lucky you guys never got hurt

[nismoskyz]

dang... hope circuit sports arms are stronger than that crap./

[GSXRJJordan]

What causes the arms to break in the middle like that is a siezed heim ~ the arms are OK, not great, and the welds are passable... its the heims that dry out, seize, and then put extra stress on the arm till it breaks.

Buy good heims for your arms... *cough* sig link *cough*

[soreballz]

^Even if that was true, just look at how thin that steel is. Thats fucking garbage.

[GSXRJJordan]

It's not that bad man, they don't take that much stress. Sure, thicker is better, but I know a bunch of racers that use cheap arms with high quality joints (as well as myself) and haven't seen any of them bend/fracture. The welds are OK, thickness is alright for the amound/direction of force they get, just replace the goddamned heims!

[ericcastro]

Oh Jeez,
DONT BE SO DRAMATIC !!

aint no one gonna die
you and your homeskillet will be fine.
Y's driver getting crazy at Meihan circuit with a broken off Ruca and more.

YouTube - Y's Factory drifting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXZareSkh6k)

[duffman1278]

What causes the arms to break in the middle like that is a siezed heim ~ the arms are OK, not great, and the welds are passable... its the heims that dry out, seize, and then put extra stress on the arm till it breaks.

Buy good heims for your arms... *cough* sig link *cough*

Touche

Get those heim joints replaced people with self lubricating joints and good quality types as well.

As GSXR stated, the heim joint allows the arm to move so it doesn't cause torsion on the actual aluminum arm. Once you seize them, you begin to add excessive torque about the tubing then SNAP.

[Deftec]

So uhhh...Who was he? :D

[touge dreamer]

same thing happen to me when i was driving except The threading stripped out and it sucks!!!! PBM too!! but I definitely still think they are a good brand. everything else on my car is PBM.

Sorry, crappy camera phone pic.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j163/davidek9hatch/IMG00165-1.jpg

One time I even hit a curb real hard and messed up the rear quarter panel and the trunk pretty bad but, even bent my rim, but the arms still held together strongly :squintd:

[karl wasabi]

Damn. Those are some cheap ass arms. lol.

I've had a pair of ebay RUCA's for almost 2 years now with no problems. lol. I guess some ebay brands are better than others.

[LoanShark]

I cheaped out and bought a PBM v1 camber arm on faith. The welds looked like shit and didnt clear Stances. We bolted them on every way you could to clear but, didnt. So, now I have Battle Version and its the bomb.

[Marcus]

I cheaped out and bought a PBM v1 camber arm on faith. The welds looked like shit and didnt clear Stances. We bolted them on every way you could to clear but, didnt. So, now I have Battle Version and its the bomb.

that doesnt sound like PBM. sounds like you were doin it wrong

[st350z]

Thanks for looking out... Glad you're OK!

[Ceepo]

pbm is top notch with a good price, sounds like operator error lol...

[tricky_ab]

DAMN, Good thing that you're okay...

When is comes to stuff like this, it's never good to go cheap (I'm not saying to run out and buy JDM bling either)...

[zenki.life]

i had to read this even though i knew how it was going to end. dont go ebay for no name parts. i would have thought people would have figured that by now.

[s13silvia123]

my SPL arms still holding and is the greatest.

[LoanShark]

that doesnt sound like PBM. sounds like you were doin it wrong

How am i wrong?

pbm v2 was released to address this issue.
At the time of purchase, they were still on v1.

200 dollars in the trash.

[SexPanda]

holy failwelds batman!

That shit looks like something I'd make with my Harbor Freight Arc welder...

[slw240sx]

that doesnt sound like PBM. sounds like you were doin it wrong


i have a set of V1 PBM. the welds on these were complete crap, i had to cut them out and reweld them. then we put them on and they will not fit at all with stance. We now are running battleversions on the car. I think the reason for the new versions was to address the problems people where having with the first set.

Jon

[FaLKoN240]

same thing happen to me when i was driving except The threading stripped out and it sucks!!!! PBM too!! but I definitely still think they are a good brand. everything else on my car is PBM.

Sorry, crappy camera phone pic.



It looks like you threaded out the RUCA too much from the actual arm, you're supposed to adjust them from the top.

SPL's would come out like that too.

I don't know why you guys all buy PBM parts when they cost the same as SPL, or are like $10 cheaper.

It doesn't make sense to me.

[ZenkiMR_S]

It looks like you threaded out the RUCA too much from the actual arm, you're supposed to adjust them from the top.

SPL's would come out like that too.

I don't know why you guys all buy PBM parts when they cost the same as SPL, or are like $10 cheaper.

It doesn't make sense to me.
they are local to me in san diego (when I was in San Diego) so i just drive there and pick up the parts. and i needed the parts asap so waiting on the ups guy was no option

[silviaguy240]

spl parts or battle version ftw

[ixfxi]

What causes the arms to break in the middle like that is a siezed heim ~ the arms are OK, not great, and the welds are passable... its the heims that dry out, seize, and then put extra stress on the arm till it breaks.

Buy good heims for your arms... *cough* sig link *cough*

It's not that bad man, they don't take that much stress. Sure, thicker is better, but I know a bunch of racers that use cheap arms with high quality joints (as well as myself) and haven't seen any of them bend/fracture. The welds are OK, thickness is alright for the amound/direction of force they get, just replace the goddamned heims!

its this type of mentality as to why we have this cheap shit being sold TO BEGIN WITH.


the way i fuckin see it, its a load supporting item and if it fails, it can cause injury to you and anyone else on the road. there's no fuckin excuse for cheap workmanship. just because you claim the joint failed and the joint needs to be replaced, doesnt mean that that is acceptable, because its not.

The difference between a shitty design and a fantastic design is this:
shitty design: if part A fails, part B is not designed strong enough and will collapse

fantastic design: if part A fails, part B is structurally reinforced as a fail-safe and will not collapse.

Thats the fucking difference. And thats why people need to pay companies that spend time on R&D, not overseas patch-fix products that need repair/tweaking out-the-box.

[Flicktitty]

shittty........

[undesiredshoe]

These kinda parts arent even made for daily driving.....made for drift racers only.

[Adikt]

http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/85202-ebay-ssautochrome-suspension-kit-3.html#post1157416

[Otto347]

Im not defending those ss autochromes but it looks like the camber arm hit the chassis and then broke.

[OBEEWON]

I don't understand everyone belly aching about cheap parts. If you aint buying quitcher cryin and sheddup. If you got the real deal then sweet.

If you's a real pimp you make your own stuff.

out of 24 carrots and lettuce...

...and your tail pipes spit game.

make the parking lot heffers dance.

Cuz all I know is I hard park on my roof and show off my stock arms that I spray painted PBM orange.

I want you to shut up. Shut it.

Tofu on yo lip you manganese diafriggim.

If I have to tell you once more to shut up. I will sponsor/pimp your ride with ALL ebay crap.

Then we will see who has the biggest swartz.

Allow me to re-introduce myself my name is O, O to the B E E, I used to rock boots with trees, back then they used to call me. Shut UP! NO ONE CARES.

Im so drunk of Clariton.

[Otto347]

...and after watching the PBM video with the guy stitch welding their arms together makes me wonder...

[dondochaka]

I cheaped out and bought a PBM v1 camber arm on faith. The welds looked like shit and didnt clear Stances. We bolted them on every way you could to clear but, didnt. So, now I have Battle Version and its the bomb.

My PBM v1 also had shitty welds...
now they've slightly surface rusted...

[aoiken3]

ebay?? dont you mean egay?

also, this thread should be titled "dont buy egay anything" not just arms

[JVD]

ebay?? dont you mean egay?

also, this thread should be titled "dont buy egay anything" not just arms
What, are you 100yrs old?

Yes, don't buy anything from "egay."

It's all crap.

Also, I don't get the OP. So he was just driving straight and the arm sheared in half?

[DC Dan MAX USA]

Otto I hope the only thing the video makes you wonder is what is happening behind the scenes of companies who DONT show you how its done. The stacked weld technique is unbreakable. At this point we have plenty of parts that survived real world on track crash testing to prove it.

Ya we're not perfect but we are sure to listen to our customers needs & never rest on improving products. I believe the latest version is the best design and materials available today.

~ Forged 1pc rod end with japanese pillow ball and dust covers
~ Quality DOM steel consistent bend arm thats made in the USA
~ Unique design wont contact anything (knuckle, coilover, axle boot, or frame) regardless of ride height and suspension travel

anyone who wishes to trade up from V1 to V3 arms can contact me for a reduced price

[coreansurfer]

glad you and your bro didnt get hurt

[miklos]

Doesn't the S13 have 3 links in the back. I only see the "rear toe link" for sale by aftermarket companies.

[GSXRJJordan]

Toe, RUCA (camber) and Traction are the three links. You definitely need RUCA and Toe to go low, but the traction arm doesn't do much, so you can leave it OEM.

I've updated my Heim Joint group buy, so if you've got cheap arms and want to minimize the chances of your arms snapping due to seized heims (which is the cause in 100% of the cases I've seen), check it out. My prices can't be beat, and haven't heard of one of my heims failing yet, under any conditions.

[SirSilvia]

Damn. Those are some cheap ass arms. lol.

I've had a pair of ebay RUCA's for almost 2 years now with no problems. lol. I guess some ebay brands are better than others.
werd, not all 'ebay' brands are the same. some stuff will be ok. the only ebay UCAs I might remotely trust, are the ones that have the coilover passes through it not those half "C-shaped" ones. those look to put more stress in odd places. Definitely wouldn't buy things like tie rods etc

[iRONDONkey]

PBM is like the next megan racing on the rise....

[ChicagoS14]

DONT BUY EBAY ANYTHING!!!! We just got home tonight and its 3 am. We were out cruising and on my buddies EF Hatch the Ebay control arm he bought fucked up. The ball joint snapped or something. Long story short his wheel almost fell off and fucked up his fender. Lucky it wasnt while driving on the highway. It was over a speed bump on a side street, otherwise who knows what would have happened.

[GSXRJJordan]

werd, not all 'ebay' brands are the same. some stuff will be ok. the only ebay UCAs I might remotely trust, are the ones that have the coilover passes through it not those half "C-shaped" ones. those look to put more stress in odd places. Definitely wouldn't buy things like tie rods etc

You're talking about S13 vs S14 RUCAs - the S14 (C shape) isn't any weaker, and usually they come "offset" to sit in the correct position for lowered cars.

PBM is like the next megan racing on the rise....

They're way better than Megan - even if you just consider the customer service.

DONT BUY EBAY ANYTHING!!!! We just got home tonight and its 3 am. We were out cruising and on my buddies EF Hatch the Ebay control arm he bought fucked up. The ball joint snapped or something. Long story short his wheel almost fell off and fucked up his fender. Lucky it wasnt while driving on the highway. It was over a speed bump on a side street, otherwise who knows what would have happened.

Like I said, the ball joints are the problem, not the arm itself. Check my signature link.

[Ruff Ryder 6]

its this type of mentality as to why we have this cheap shit being sold TO BEGIN WITH.


the way i fuckin see it, its a load supporting item and if it fails, it can cause injury to you and anyone else on the road. there's no fuckin excuse for cheap workmanship. just because you claim the joint failed and the joint needs to be replaced, doesnt mean that that is acceptable, because its not.

The difference between a shitty design and a fantastic design is this:
shitty design: if part A fails, part B is not designed strong enough and will collapse

fantastic design: if part A fails, part B is structurally reinforced as a fail-safe and will not collapse.

Thats the fucking difference. And thats why people need to pay companies that spend time on R&D, not overseas patch-fix products that need repair/tweaking out-the-box.

I'm with Jordan on this one. you replace the heims and things will be fine. Even companies that do the R&D have bad batches of material from time to time *cough* SPL *cough* but those that give a rats ass will fix it. Kuah was on the ball to fix a members RUCA (and the axle that it claimed with the failure) after it snapped when he was on track. All heims will have to be replaced at SOME point, i don't care who you buy it from. it's the nature of buying race worthy parts. a bushing will last way longer than a heim end of story. so if you buy ebay arms expect to replace the heims. sometimes immediately...

[Otto347]

Otto I hope the only thing the video makes you wonder is what is happening behind the scenes of companies who DONT show you how its done. The stacked weld technique is unbreakable. At this point we have plenty of parts that survived real world on track crash testing to prove it.I just believe its a bad habit to get into.

[Brian]

I've had Battle Version arms crack (but they were on the car every single day for years on one of the stiffest coilovers you can buy.

Alex Pfieffer replaced them with new arms free of charge, no questions asked.

Wonderful customer service.


Things like this should be paramount in your purchase.

Maybe you COULD get arms from an ebay vendor, but, wouldn't you like to actually know where you're getting the parts from.

Battle Version (or SPL or Parts Shop Max) are members of the community. They drive. They use the parts. They CARE.
Sometimes there are more important things to think about than saving ten bucks.


just my opinion and how I've been doing things for a while now.

[CrimsonRockett]

I'm with Jordan on this one. you replace the heims and things will be fine. Even companies that do the R&D have bad batches of material from time to time *cough* SPL *cough* but those that give a rats ass will fix it. Kuah was on the ball to fix a members RUCA (and the axle that it claimed with the failure) after it snapped when he was on track. All heims will have to be replaced at SOME point, i don't care who you buy it from. it's the nature of buying race worthy parts. a bushing will last way longer than a heim end of story. so if you buy ebay arms expect to replace the heims. sometimes immediately...

I would still never rock an ebay part on my car.

Save money...AND put my life at risk?

I'd rather pay more for a part with R&D instead of some cheap knock off just for the sake of saving a few bucks.

The difference between SPL and ebay is that SPL actually DID something about it. They were made aware of a problem and immediately got on it and did everything to make it right.

I've seen several ebay arms fail. Have they done anything about it?

No.

I agree 10000% with ixfxi.

I mean, just LOOK at the damned thing.

That RUCA is insanely thin/poorly built.

If your options are either stock suspension or shiny ebay parts, stay stock.

[Brian]

Let's consider ebay


You have dozens of "shops" which are probably nothing more than an oline outfit. They get mass quantity of parts from a supplier. Chances are, that supplier gets them from another supplier.


After this chain of events, who are you supposed to turn to when you have a problem.


Trust me, I've dealth with this kind of thing many times through ebay and work. You have "shops" selling parts that they are totally clueless about. They really have no idea what they are selling or where they come from.

[ixfxi]

Like I said, the ball joints are the problem, not the arm itself. Check my signature link.

how can you prove its the ball joint and not the shitty thin metal?

i dont accept that, sounds like youre just trying to sell people ball joints.


i am not saying your ball joints are or arent good, i am just saying that you cant fuckin polish a turd by selling replacement ball joints thinking that will fix this shitty product.

[ixfxi]

I'm with Jordan on this one. you replace the heims and things will be fine. Even companies that do the R&D have bad batches of material from time to time *cough* SPL *cough* but those that give a rats ass will fix it. Kuah was on the ball to fix a members RUCA (and the axle that it claimed with the failure) after it snapped when he was on track. All heims will have to be replaced at SOME point, i don't care who you buy it from. it's the nature of buying race worthy parts. a bushing will last way longer than a heim end of story. so if you buy ebay arms expect to replace the heims. sometimes immediately...

correct, solid joints are much higher maintenance and IMO have no place on a street car. but that doesnt have anything to do with using thin metal with inferior welds - thats just sub-par build standards.

[Ruff Ryder 6]

let me restate my stance on this argument.

Would i buy the ebay arms? yes, and immediately replace them with better heims.

Have i bought them? no, i bought SPL's.

The thing is, if you are a weekend racer who can make stuff work when it's needed to get a part on the car, or say test what kind of difference an adjustable piece will be, then it is no problem to get a part on the car just to get you going. If you are someone that looks at using these parts for years on end without replacing or maintaining them (which you should with heims anyways) you should look to buy the backed products. I bought SPL because at the time i had money to blow on a few choice parts. if i decide to buy the toe and traction links, they probably won't be from PBM or SPL

Bottom line...you make the decision

[ixfxi]

Trust me, I've dealth with this kind of thing many times through ebay and work. You have "shops" selling parts that they are totally clueless about. They really have no idea what they are selling or where they come from.

and you know what? shops should and WILL be sued for selling inferior products. it happened to APC for selling flawed shitty tail lights, and it will happen to other companies as well.

companies that sell these inferior arms should be just as responsible as companies selling toys with lead in the paint. you cant just sell something without testing it. and if you sell something, its your duty as the seller to stand behind your product. its not just about profit, its about the safety of your customers and everyone else on the road.


seriously, its a joke how you guys can think "ah ill just change the ball joint and i think itll be okay" thats fucking bullshit. build a quality product or keep your shitty products back where they originate from.

[ThatGuy]

Read the signature.

[ixfxi]

The thing is, if you are a weekend racer who can make stuff work when it's needed to get a part on the car, or say test what kind of difference an adjustable piece will be, then it is no problem to get a part on the car just to get you going.

and i say this: there is always stock.

what, is stock made of gold and impossible to attain?


for YEARS guys in the 240 community (from the mailing list days) have been using slotted STOCK arms, including myself. i never had a problem with the factory arm (even slotted) failing.

like i said, theres no excuse for this shit. the fact that some of you guys can even remotely attempt to back this kinda of shit up really makes me sick. you guys dont realize that most of this shit ends up on the road (because not everyone has a track only car), and when things end up on the road they effect others, not just the idiot driver.

rather than put your foot down and say this stuff should be banned, you guys try to patch-fix it. its sickening.

[Ruff Ryder 6]

hence why it says for off-road use only

(at this point i'm just picking at you)

[Enna]

I agree with ixfxi on this. Do ppl really think its easier just to buy a cheap part cuz its cheap to replace? You drive on this shit, wtf is wrong with you? Too poor to buy real shit? Learn to fucking save. I thought about slotting my OEM arms, then I said fuck that. Picked up BV instead. Atleast I know if it does somehow fail, Alex stands behind his shit.

GSXR: I know your just trying to do a good thing for the community. I got no problem with that. But still using cheap shit like that, shouldn't be allowed in the first place.

[Brian]

Good luck with thread.


Talking bad about knock offs doesn't usually go too well.

[FaLKoN240]

The only thing that is cheap that I don't mind buying if it breaks is furniture from Ikea.

I might get a bump on my head from the fall, or a cracked TV remote, but I don't have to worry about destroying my tires, paying for a tow truck, buying another part, bumming a ride from a friend to get to work, getting another alignment, just to worry about that REPLACEMENT SHITTY PART BREAKING AGAIN.

Just do it right the first time, I don't know why you guys are all so resistant to learning that.

[Brian]

Well, we live in a time that kids think it's a RIGHT to be able to drive and have a car.
Bullshit.

It is not a right. I think the new generations are thinking that the world owes them something.

[ThatGuy]

Well, we live in a time that kids think it's a RIGHT to be able to drive and have a car.
Bullshit.

It is not a right. I think the new generations are thinking that the world owes them something.

I just wanted to give everyone a chance to read this again. THE WORLD OWES YOU NOTHING.

[lflkajfj12123]

the world owes me a living

[drftwerks]

hey soap, if you shaved and had some makeup work done, you can prob look like your avatar.

[FaLKoN240]

hey soap, if you shaved and had some makeup work done, you can prob look like your avatar.

That girl looks weird, but hot.

[lflkajfj12123]

hey soap, if you shaved and had some makeup work done, you can prob look like your avatar.

you mean ESmorz

That girl looks weird, but hot.

her eyes are huge

[GSXRJJordan]

For the record, I run half Battle Version arms on my car (with my heims) and half ebay arms (with my heims) - I'm imagning that some day I'll be able to see a difference in wear/etc, but I'm guessing not.

My selling heims is less about making money (I only make a couple bucks per pair after tax/shipping/fees) and more about helping the community not have this stuff happen.

I'm glad that the community as a whole does not 'endorse' cheap knock-offs, just like I'm glad the community does not endorse street racing - it makes me proud of us! That being said, I think there's a ton of people that need to replace their heims on their long journey from knock-off-garage to having all quality parts.

Well, we live in a time that kids think it's a RIGHT to be able to drive and have a car.
Bullshit.

It is not a right. I think the new generations are thinking that the world owes them something.

That is the most intelligent and insightful thing I've ever heard from you. So true.

the world owes me a living

Haha, right?

hey soap, if you shaved and had some makeup work done, you can prob look like your avatar.

That's not him, thats his E-butt-buddy Esmorz.

[drftwerks]

yea totally the person in the pic.

totally do able.

[LoanShark]

I remember when Powertrix and Ctune were the first cheap alternative multi-links. This was before ebay arms came out. They featured the zirk fittings as something special. I NEVER greased them the 3 yrs i had them but the arm never broke. Maybe the dried up heim binded but, I was too stupid to realize it. Good times.

[singlecamslam]

Those ebay arms look just like the SPL arms. But i'm sure the quality is way different. Hey OP, were these arms that broke on a black s14 with silvia steering wheel? If it is you didnt buy it from me but from the dude i sold it to.

[iRONDONkey]

so to sum up this thread...

are ebay arms ok? or no?

[lflkajfj12123]

this looks like ebay arms to you?

http://www.bumnah.com/trakpak/images/image/312_rear_sus.jpg
http://www.bumnah.com/trakpak/images/image/311_ps_sus.jpg

lulwut

[didderson]

The guy who posted about pbm camber arm coming out of the threads just fails at installing. There are more threads on the other part of the joint newb.

[FaLKoN240]

The guy who posted about pbm camber arm coming out of the threads just fails at installing. There are more threads on the other part of the joint newb.

That is EXACTLY what I said.

[GSXRJJordan]

this looks like ebay arms to you?

lulwut

Looks just like to my ebay arms, TBH - same design, same diameters, just powdercoated. But I can tell by the adjustment mechanism that they're SPL.

Good for you.

[az_240]

Has anybody actually had to replace their quality (SPL) heim joints due to wear?

What sort of maintenance should be done on heim joints? I'm afraid if I try to oil them they will just get covered in dust.

Is that your setup s0apgun? I'm curious because I saw the z32 rear upright has a spherical bushing and want to know what coilovers will be used and if they rub against the upright.

Its a problem I currently have on my kouki.


so to sum up this thread...

are ebay arms ok? or no?

It depends. Some ebay arms are better than others. Clearly the ones the OP posted were just shit and should be avoided.

I personally did not want to have to deal with swapping heim joints and trying to pick out the better ebay arms so I went with SPL and have not had any issues since.

[!Zar!]

This thread is fucking ghetto.

[Pacman]

Damn, I missed a lot with this thread. If you're looking for a budget/cheap arm, get the SPC arms. The ONLY reason there cheap is cause the use of rubber bushings instead of heim joints, not because of the quality. There good quality pieces. I have about 5000 miles on them (the rear set-up) and there still great. DON'T GO ANY CHEAPER.

[iRONDONkey]

Wicked tuning is at a pretty good price..and looks legit.

[lflkajfj12123]

Looks just like to my ebay arms, TBH - same design, same diameters, just powdercoated. But I can tell by the adjustment mechanism that they're SPL.

Good for you.

http://www.speedyracer.com/piclib/p/S13_CAALL.jpg

:mepoke:

you think those look the same?

[Fishouse]

id definately think that the car was curbed or something to do that to the arm, no way that happened just by driving. i ran ebay stuff for about 2 year with no problems, just need to keep them greased if they have grease fittings and make sure the heims are clean, spray them down with wd40 or something to keep them from rusting up.

i now have SPL parts. unbeatable arms, best int he world.

[iRONDONkey]

i wish i could afford SPL....

[GSXRJJordan]

you think those look the same?

Don't be dumb. There's more than one manufacturer of arms that have sold parts on ebay.

I was speaking about my arms, which are the same "private label" as Motoria used and sold on ebay - which I (and others) have used for years with quality heims, with no problems.

[lflkajfj12123]

oh well those are the only arms i saw on ebay when i looked

pics of yours?

[GSXRJJordan]

oh well those are the only arms i saw on ebay when i looked

pics of yours?

I've only got one cam photo from a while ago, I want to get some more when I put the R888's on this week and align it again. I have the "Motoria" arms.

http://ydoraa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p6sBQrJi25oNB5pZYzPgO71kBOJWBwRkPR-hmhsW2C__Z9Yi9UgtZhMDafpmhZskJp2mhsgwA2ieuNY_q4GbC Uw/IMG00155?download

My heims on the top, ebay heim in the middle.

And here's the problem (in my opinion) - the close up comparison between a cheap ebay, non-lubed, shitty-cast piece, and a quality teflon-lined, chrome plated piece:
http://ydoraa.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pKwyEajyQIwO_amSFvYDISly_6qiFrhiO2V5q9DD2iEen8z9 _LsIMEP0BsEXgWHcIoRS86p9O3aukg4Nws5kHng/DSC05677?download

[shift_jin]

e-bay is shit not the shit

[ESmorz]

e-bay is shit not the shit


Ahhhhhh you're killing it d00d.

[nismo240sxdrifter]

The original pic is pretty crazy and on my track car I run pbm parts but for my daily I run cheap stuff, but I have compared things, some ebay arms are alright, you just have to look at the design and inspect welds before install, all crome stuff on ebay is crap, you can tell by the practical square/box shaped hollow design. I have had no problem with the cheap parts on my daily, I just look /inspect the parts carefully.

[ixfxi]

i wish i could afford SPL....

why? what are solid arms going to do that normal arms cant do? sure, they're adjustable. yes, they're solid which is fine for a track-only car. solid is not practical AT ALL for a street car.

the SPL stuff is what, around 600-800 for the upper control arm set? thats not much money, just save and buy it if you really need it. i cant believe people are whining about chump change.


Has anybody actually had to replace their quality (SPL) heim joints due to wear?

What sort of maintenance should be done on heim joints? I'm afraid if I try to oil them they will just get covered in dust.

EVERYONE should swap their ball joints based on wear, thats the name of the game. My customer's Ariel Atom comes stock with solid arms and obviously that car is a million times more hardcore than most of the shit-240's being tuned. The MFG specifically lists them as replacement items, I think it was every 10,000 miles or so.

Like I said, in the long run whats the point if the car is being driven on the street? Adjustability is good but not at the expense of comfort, because in a street car the last thing you need to do is feel each and every fuckup of SoCal's pot-hole ridden streets.

[murda-c]

Remember this is zilvia.

People want their cars slammed, and you can't do that on stock arms very well

[GSXRJJordan]

I agree that 10k mi is a good inspection/replacement interval - if the heim joint sticks or rattle, ditch em!

The more I drive my car on the street, I agree with Mike - solid bushings do not improve handling nearly enough to be considered a good investment, and they certainly make the ride unforgiving - I was hoping to "make up" for the harshness elsewhere in the suspension, but if someone made quality adjustable arms with good rubber bushings, I'd consider it for a street car.

[CrimsonRockett]

I don't daily drive my other car.

So, fully adjustable arms is a-okay.

Quit being cheap.

Do it right the first time.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii246/CrimsonRockett/CrimsonRockett%202009/DSCF1548.jpg

[Brian]

damnit johnnie.

bravo.

[GSXRJJordan]

Haha, if any of those used Cusco arms need heims, you know where to come - Lot easier to replace em when they're on the bench, before you pay for an alignment :)

[Brian]

Cusco - install and never replace anything. Japanese quality.

[GSXRJJordan]

Cusco - install and never replace anything. Japanese quality.

haha, this isn't some bolt in bar, it's got moving parts BH :keke:

If u follow Brians logic, you never have to change you oil, just drift that same KA till it blows.

Sick burn! :love:

[Brian]

now now...

[[email protected]]

Looks just like to my ebay arms, TBH - same design, same diameters, just powdercoated. But I can tell by the adjustment mechanism that they're SPL.

Other than the adjustment mechanism, I thought it was quite obvious from the pictures that the toe arms are not the same -- our toe arm has the kink to clear the subframe bushings while yours does not. We CNC machined this part out of billet specifically for this arm:

http://www.splparts.com/About/HPIM1375.jpg

I am pretty certain the diameter of tubing used on our arms is larger as well.

FWIW, more reading about SPL products (http://www.splparts.com/About/products.htm)

[BoostedCoupe]

This is kinda on topic. but how much can OEM rear toe arms correct? i have coilovers on my s14 and it is tucking the tread on the tires with 205/60/16's. Are the stock arms good enough to get all the toe out? i have camaber arms ready to go on just havent got around to buying toe arms. I usually buy all my links at once then get it aligned but i dont wanna wait on toe arms right now.

[ixfxi]

Cusco - install and never replace anything. Japanese quality.

johnny sleeps in a cusco bed with cusco underwear


funny, i have cusco parts and like any solid arm, they do need eventual replacement. though, i still have not worn out my cusco tc's yet. i will say that they are very good quality.

[lflkajfj12123]

the SPL stuff is what, around 600-800 for the upper control arm set?


huh

spl ruca's are $259

total for spl rear links is 700

ruca traction and toe

[deuceforty]

to the guy who said his z32 rear conversions were rubbing the perch he needs to adjust his traction rods or get some that are adjustable to give it the proper angle

[DC Dan MAX USA]

PBM is like the next megan racing on the rise....
F U !
we couldn't be any more different
the only reason they sell stuff is because its cheap
the only reason we sell stuff is recommendations from people who love our parts
I just believe its a bad habit to get into.
what?
Wonderful customer service.
Things like this should be paramount in your purchase.
Battle Version (or SPL or Parts Shop Max) are members of the community. They drive. They use the parts. They CARE.

Thank you BH
I was actually stoked when I first saw that one of my customers had enough pride in his purchase to take his own free time and post up his bad experience with something else and a comparo with his new arms, now that I read all this bullshit I cant wait till this thread gets locked. I just cant stand being in the same conversation.

[deuceforty]

+1 for PBM and +1 for alex and battle version, and +1 for kuah and SPL

seriously megan fucked me over BAD on my coilovers. claiming that the front threaded portions were seized due to improper installation (they said the lock rings werent tight enough)

they have 6000 miles on them and have been on the car for a year. they claim that the lock rings were not tight, so the threaded portions crossthreaded themselves while driving. the left side threaded body is stuck, while the right side threaded LOCK RING is stuck. HOW CAN A LOCK RING CROSS THREAD ITSELF MEGAN YOU ARE FULL OF FAIL AND AIDS

[deuceforty]

and again this is the difference.

PBM alex and kuah all take pride in their products and their customers.

my car has been in magazines and is decently well known around the area, yet megan didnt give 2 shits about what is CLEARLY their issue. the teins on my corolla are 8 years old and i can adjust them with my hands.

[lflkajfj12123]

F U !
we couldn't be any more different
the only reason they sell stuff is because its cheap
the only reason we sell stuff is recommendations from people who love our parts


don't let it bother you dan

you know your parts are good and so do the people who support parts shop max and the people who drive them

for example

matt and tommy > what some fallacy a retard on zilvia has to say

[iRONDONkey]

why? what are solid arms going to do that normal arms cant do? sure, they're adjustable. yes, they're solid which is fine for a track-only car. solid is not practical AT ALL for a street car.

the SPL stuff is what, around 600-800 for the upper control arm set? thats not much money, just save and buy it if you really need it. i cant believe people are whining about chump change.






yeah, 600-800 that could be making me more money.
I'm not car crazy, and in a position to blow all my money on it.
Maybe in the future, when I'm able to pursue my passion.

[CrimsonRockett]

johnny sleeps in a cusco bed with cusco underwear


I would sleep on my Cusco roll cage too, but I think the underwear was good enough.

PBM is some nice quality stuff.

I've had my PBM RUCA for quite some time now.

No problems.

If Cusco wasn't replacing everything adjustable on my car, I wouldn't mind running PBM or SPL instead.

[FaLKoN240]

PBM is like the next megan racing on the rise....

Dan, don't get mad over dumbasses like this guy.

Wicked tuning is at a pretty good price..and looks legit.

I know people that have sponsors from WICKED TUNING and say that their parts are dog shit, they won't even run them and get the stuff for free.

Not to mention the people complaining about your parts obviously have problems understanding how the principle OF THREADED parts works.

[GSXRJJordan]

Other than the adjustment mechanism, I thought it was quite obvious from the pictures that the toe arms are not the same -- our toe arm has the kink to clear the subframe bushings while yours does not. We CNC machined this part out of billet specifically for this arm:

I am pretty certain the diameter of tubing used on our arms is larger as well.

FWIW, more reading about SPL products (http://www.splparts.com/About/products.htm)

Kuah I love your parts, don't get me wrong - you are one of the few innovators this community has left. If I wasn't "trying" this whole cheap arm/expensive heim thing as an experiment against my Battle Version stuff, I'd be rocking SPL.

I love that the piece you pictured above is a CNC'd solid piece, inserted into the tubing - that's BEEFY! Strengthens the weakest joint in the arm, and the
angle puts the in/out force on axis with the tubing - top notch stuff. I believe you when you say the tubing's thicker too.

My comment was simply that it "looks" the same, not that they're designed the same, or use the same materials/craftsmanship - the point, to me at least, is that the problem with tubular arms is seized heims, not welds cracking in the middle of the arm. I have yet to see an arm fail that had a healthy heim on it - I'd love to hear your :2c: on this!


Dan, don't get mad over dumbasses like this guy.

I know people that have sponsors from WICKED TUNING and say that their parts are dog shit, they won't even run them and get the stuff for free.

Not to mention the people complaining about your parts obviously have problems understanding how the principle OF THREADED parts works.

Ugh Wicked Tuning... the parts that Falkon's talking about were their tie rod ends I believe, and yeah there was a sponsored team that didn't run them because they looked horrid. Wicked is a ebay-quailty shop through-and-through from everything I've heard... but hey, if you got some Wicked arms and wanna roll the dice with some good heims on there, by all means hit me up.

[95KA-Turbo]

One of my RUCAs failed with a 60 dollar Aurora rod end in it. I don't know how it happened though. I think the people I originally had install them and align my car hit them with a wrench or something to start the dent/weakening process. I know I had the dent in the arm at VIR and I went off backwards into a giant rumble strip and hit it directly with that wheel and the dent did not get any worse. It did end up completely cracking though and I had to get it welded until I got another arm in the mail. We'll see how long this one lasts.

[Otto347]

what?Stitch welding suspension parts.

[JBeeeee]

pass on ebay and other cheap crap all day long. i rather run stock.

heard of the welds being bad, but that looks like some really thin metal.

yea, seriously in ebay you get what you pay for, low quality stuff there

[slownslurious]

same thing happened to my s13 style ebay RUCAs... got my money back. not an area you want to cheap out on.

[DC Dan MAX USA]

Otto, There is more than one successful technique to welding, and we use the one that works best for us. The results are kind of hard to argue, no one has ever broken a parts shop max weld under any circumstance. No one has ever seized one of our NMB Japan bearings and no one has ever worn one out weather its on a dd or track car.

j47Sgvj3Whw&hl

Does that mean they are perfect, no. But they hold their own against the best in the world.

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1237499542_2_FT0_dtarm1_.jpg
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1237499542_2_FT0_dtarm2_.jpg

And that was just the G2, now we have the G3 out with a forged rod end which pretty much dessimates all. Oh and they are still only $200 despite improvements.

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1239133411_2_FT0_2xfork.jpg
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1239133411_2_FT0_2xforkp.jpg
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1239133411_2_FT0_g3rodend3.jpg
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1239133411_2_FT0_g3rodend1.jpg
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1239133411_2_FT0_g3rodend2.jpg
Adjuster, lock nut and pillowball spacer shown before finishing to reveal all steel components.
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1239414599_2_FT4522_img_0907.jpg
After plating and dust cover installed:
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1239415073_2_FT4522_img_0913.jpg
Current production parts in stock now
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1241556081_2_FT4522_p1040568.jpg

[Brian]

Support those that support us.
-BH

[Bushido]

ooh shiney!

[Vision Garage]

MAN DAN REPRESENTING WITH THE QUICKNESS!!

PBM is PURE WIN!

BTW dan, your fender rollers are awesome!!!

[nismoskyz]

hmm, not to put down any of these other brands that look great, but I, like many others, am probably not going to go out and buy PBM arms tomorrow...

So would it be a good idea, as maintenance, to grease up the ball joints on my Circuit Sports RUCAs and tie rod ends? What kind?

[GSXRJJordan]

hmm, not to put down any of these other brands that look great, but I, like many others, am probably not going to go out and buy PBM arms tomorrow...

So would it be a good idea, as maintenance, to grease up the ball joints on my Circuit Sports RUCAs and tie rod ends? What kind?

From the pics I've seen of Circuit Sports stuff, they're not serviceable. They could be OK, but if there's any movement, pitting on the ball, rust, or "stick-tion" (resistance to initial movement), replace the heims with good ones like the one's in my sig link.

[Propaganda]

I have seen the tie rod ends from those cheap companies (I forget if it was MR or CS), but the joint fell out of the tie rod end.. so...

[gsxr141]

does anyone know about the quality of circuit sports products? also, is there a website that i can see the pbm stuff?

[GSXRJJordan]

I have seen the tie rod ends from those cheap companies (I forget if it was MR or CS), but the joint fell out of the tie rod end.. so...

That can happen if you get a lot of crap in the joint, and the race gets destroyed - luckily, it makes noise (clicking/clanks) before something like that happens.

does anyone know about the quality of circuit sports products? also, is there a website that i can see the pbm stuff?

Circuit Sports is OK, just replace the joints!

Powered By Max is at ::Powered by MAX:: (http://www.poweredbymax.net/). Dan is here in San Diego, much easier to just talk to him - their customer service is top notch down there.

[bing]

this thread has massive fail in it.. then some redemption...

since when were cusco arms good? i wouldnt ever consider putting that stuff on my car... it's the same as Tanabe, JIC etc... overpriced, under engineered and under serviced... they're basically equivalent to Megan but twice the price...

i pulled a set of Tanabe RUCA off a car i bought last month... wouldnt touch em with a 10 ft. pole.... usable, but not even in the same league as my new arms, SPL and even PBM.

i'll have to do the whole video / facility pics of where the stuff is manufactured like kuah and PBM have...

This is interesting:

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1237499542_2_FT0_dtarm1_.jpg

When are all the North American guys going head to head?

[lflkajfj12123]

so bing,

what do you have on your car?

[ixfxi]

this thread has massive fail in it.. then some redemption...

since when were cusco arms good? i wouldnt ever consider putting that stuff on my car... it's the same as Tanabe, JIC etc... overpriced, under engineered and under serviced... they're basically equivalent to Megan but twice the price...

i pulled a set of Tanabe RUCA off a car i bought last month... wouldnt touch em with a 10 ft. pole.... usable, but not even in the same league as my new arms, SPL and even PBM.

i'll have to do the whole video / facility pics of where the stuff is manufactured like kuah and PBM have...

This is interesting:

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1237499542_2_FT0_dtarm1_.jpg

When are all the North American guys going head to head?

you're completely... completely fucking clueless.

cusco products are number one... no questions asked.


no wonder you live in canada, you damn canuck.

[bing]

acutally i'm better equipped to have this discussion than you are.

thanks anyways though... stick to lighting.

[ixfxi]

acutally i'm better equipped to have this discussion than you are.

thanks anyways though... stick to lighting.

you've gotta have your head completely up your ass to compare cusco with megan.

take some advice: dont be stupid.

[bing]

if you want to do this we can; it wont be productive for either one of us though.

i would have thought from your history & biz that you'd know better than to just spout off with ignorant bullshit like that.

I have cusco stuff here with me now... though not multi-link arms... the ebay shit is the same as alot of cusco's stuff. zero difference, if you took the colour of of ebay tension rod brackets and cusco tension rod brackets you would fail the pepsi challenge. Cusco still uses silly dust boots on their arms... proper rod ends don't need dust boots, megan racing's rod ends DO need dust boots and apparently so do cusco's.

[mrflip69]

Ohhhh... thems fighting words. Lets back this stuff up with something other than anecdotal evidence though :P

I haven't really heard much problems with the JDM brands, but can easily find Megan/CS/whatever complaints. Doesn't mean they aren't out there though. The quality of the welds/metal is far superior in the japanese counterparts.

Maybe it's more of a hit/miss with chinese, and hit/hit with japanese?

[fishhouse]

Ohhhh... thems fighting words. Lets back this stuff up with something other than anecdotal evidence though :P

I haven't really heard much problems with the JDM brands, but can easily find Megan/CS/whatever complaints. Doesn't mean they aren't out there though. The quality of the welds/metal is far superior in the japanese counterparts.

Maybe it's more of a hit/miss with chinese, and hit/hit with japanese?


acctually i had a set of cusco rear uppers. i bought them used but after about 9-10 months the heim joint broke... i got 2 years on an ebay set. 99% of the stuff from japan isnt great quality, its built cheapy and uses the brand name to set the price. theyre great businessmen. dont fool yourself. the only world class suspension product out there is SPL parts stuff.

as far as ebay vs. cusco. replace the shitty rod ends with high end stuff and youre probably better off than you are running cusco for the most part.

ive been around these cars a LOOONNNG time and ive seen a lot of parts.

and i know Bing has been around forever as well and knows what hes talking about. dont fall into the fanboy BS. i did it back in 99-2000 got over that shat real quick.

[HungryHank]

I have ebay arms and just replace the heims and bearings with gsxrjodans product and it makes them 100 times better

amazing shit

[bing]

i'm sure the stuff gsxrjodans is selling is a major improvement over ebay rod ends... anything would be really... but still not ideal.

i just took some major US brand arms (not SPL) and Tanabe arms off a an S14 i bought... no winters, 4 track days, no drift... mostly commuting and a couple of the rod ends had some play.. more than they should have after less than 2 years of use.

IMHO you use the QA1 Endura series or an equivalent rod end or you STFU. High misalignment rod ends accept alot of shit into their races and it wears them out over time... dust boots keep some stuff out but also keep some stuff in.

Some close friends of mine that have has my arms for nearly 6 years are still on their original QA1 endura series rod ends and they are still rock solid... these are Canadian S13's driven through winter (salt) and hit the track regularly.... ie. they are driven harder and see tougher conditions than anyone in California ever will...

the self-sealing low misalignment rod ends (ie. QA1 Endura) will outlast the rest of your arms in most cases... the seals keep 99% of the bullshit out of the race. I beleive they were initially conceived for dirttrack racing which makes sense. on the other hand, real dirt track racers often use cheaper rod ends because they dont give a shit anyways.. lol.. they'll break or replace them before the race would wear out anyways.

on a street car, particularly driven through winters and especially where there is salt involve, you should always have the self sealing rod ends.

the coatings on ebay arms are bullshit too... i'll give the edge toe Tanabe and Cusco there. they use better coatings that will last and resist corrision over a longer period of time... i swear the ebay fggt's are either just using lead spray paint or not prepping their shit before powder coating them... the stuff flakes right off.

Multi-link arms are not expensive anyways... you maybe save $100 by buying a shit RUCA... that's a bad decision.

cheap out somewhere else on the car... a strut bar, an ebay catback or downpipe or something like that... but not your arms...

either that or just work hard and make more money and stop being a homo.

[mrflip69]

I figured as much about the dust boots... less likely to get something in, but once it does, it's gonna have a hard time finding its way out. Kinda like those fly traps, right?

I really don't buy into the hype as well on a lot of the japanese brands, as I know a couple people running ebay/megan racing stuff and they've been just fine--but like I said, seems to be hit or miss. We've all seen that one pic where the weld isn't even finished on the RUCA. Terrible/Embarassing is what comes to mind.

I'm curious why Crimson would trade out his PBM stuff for Cusco though. For the sake of having a matching set, I guess?

[irax]

thanks anyways though... stick to lighting.



FUCKING YES!!!


:hide:

[deuceforty]

another +1 for bings post.

i know for a fact that the D2 suspension arms are literally just painted cusco pieces. as in we scraped the paint off and the cusco blue was underneath.

and D2 are pretty inexpensive compared to cusco.

almost all of the japanese stuff is about the same quality

[jamg]

What I'm getting out of this thread...is that the joints is what cause the ruca to fail?

[alt.240.130]

HA! i think the aluminum siding on my house is thicker

[CrimsonRockett]

I'm curious why Crimson would trade out his PBM stuff for Cusco though. For the sake of having a matching set, I guess?

To be honest, the adjustment/locking/whatever nuts on the PBM are too big(for me at least) and are annoying to work with.

My friend has had his Cusco's for over 4 years now with zero problems.

They've been through 3 different S-chassis(all his) with thousands upon thousands of daily driven(and spirited driving) miles.

Every single time they come off, they're inspected. Zero problems, zero play.

I was actually going to run a set of Kazama Ruca's I had in the garage, but since I ended up buying Cusco everything(not really to have matching parts, but because I love the quality), I decided to run that instead.

Not dissing PBM parts. They have some great quality stuff.

I just prefer to run something else.

Don't really care for anybody's opinion either. I know/realize there's better out there, but this is my car, my parts, my money.

Same goes for the people running ebay parts with different heims. If they want to run that, fine with me.

[Brian]

not once have I EVER had a problem with any Cusco part I had.

Also, I have never heard anybody I know have problems with Cusco parts.

TO say that Cusco is junk, just BLOWS my mind.

Sorry Bing. You're insane.

[GSXRJJordan]

since we are talking about SPL here, what would be the advantage of getting the SPL rear lower arm over stock?

i hate to make a whole new thread about it, when knowledgeable people are on here.

i will be getting the rest of the rear suspension from SPL, and if I get the lower arm, im pushing $2000.
just wondering if its necessary or not.

If you needed it, you'd know what it does - just sayin :)

It allows adjustment of rear track, which can get you a little more camber, but more importantly allows adjustment of roll center. Also, by eliminating the rubber bushings, it's possible that the force will be better transferred to the shock, but the big deal is roll center adjustment.

[handinpants]

Awesome.

I'm glad I replaced my stock with Powered By Max.

Then replaced my Powered by Max with Kazama.

Then my Kazama's for Cusco's.

Seriously though, don't cheap out on ANYTHING.

Your life isn't worth a few bucks in savings.


hey man you're a baller, 20 years old and buying all those different high dollar brands of the same part, what was wrong with the other brands why'd you keep switching?

I have a s13 but i've upgraded to a 2003 audi rs6 :op, which is kinda like going from megan to cusco

[CrimsonRockett]

hey man you're a baller, 20 years old and buying all those different high dollar brands of the same part, what was wrong with the other brands why'd you keep switching?

I have a s13 but i've upgraded to a 2003 audi rs6 :op, which is kinda like going from megan to cusco

I'm not a "baller".

I actually save up my money to buy the things I want.

Instead of going for the cheapest part out there, I'd rather save up, spend the money, and do it right the first time(which is something a lot of people on here should learn already, but I don't think that's going to happen any time soon).

Bought the PBM's new.

Kazama's were off a shell I parted out.

Cusco's...well, got an insanely good deal on them.

[dondochaka]

PBM is like the next megan racing on the rise....

i have to say.. you're an idiot.

my PBM surface rusted at the welds and heim, but it's working fine..
haven't cracked or anything yet.

i guess time will tell.

[dondochaka]

To be honest, the adjustment/locking/whatever nuts on the PBM are too big(for me at least) and are annoying to work with.

My friend has had his Cusco's for over 4 years now with zero problems.

They've been through 3 different S-chassis(all his) with thousands upon thousands of daily driven(and spirited driving) miles.

Every single time they come off, they're inspected. Zero problems, zero play.

I was actually going to run a set of Kazama Ruca's I had in the garage, but since I ended up buying Cusco everything(not really to have matching parts, but because I love the quality), I decided to run that instead.

Not dissing PBM parts. They have some great quality stuff.

I just prefer to run something else.

Don't really care for anybody's opinion either. I know/realize there's better out there, but this is my car, my parts, my money.

Same goes for the people running ebay parts with different heims. If they want to run that, fine with me.

btw..I liked the big locking nuts on the PBM stuff..
I only have the ruca, but I liked it.
easier to work with imo.

[s13skank]

Ha dude thats crazy man good thing your still alive

[ocn]

the moral of this story is ..dont buy no name, never even heard of , shitty welded ebay parts.



ファック.. GTRのニュースを私に腕と脚の部品コスト： （

[fishhouse]

GSXR guy for the love of god hit me back! need thoe heims like NOW

[FaLKoN240]

Why wouldn't you just PM him?

[fishhouse]

Why wouldn't you just PM him?

i did. was hoping to get his attention in an attempt to get a set shipped today so i can gt my car on the road. im hoofin it right now.

[GSXRJJordan]

GSXR guy for the love of god hit me back! need thoe heims like NOW

i did. was hoping to get his attention in an attempt to get a set shipped today so i can gt my car on the road. im hoofin it right now.

PM responded lol. Another helpless ebay buyer saved by my services :)

[blownmotor]

No one here ever has said anything about the quality of the heims that comes with the popular JDM brands ie Tein, Cusco, Jic, Kazama, and ect...

[hk240sx08]

O sht!, sup Brian, its Henry, damn i didnt know your bro's unfortunate incident was that krazy. Damn ebay crap arms, i mean seriously look at the differences between the arm walls OMFG! :eek:

Glad you guys made it through alive!

[Bubbles]

Why would you stich weld them?

Just curious.

[racepar1]

I'm not a "baller".

I actually save up my money to buy the things I want.

Instead of going for the cheapest part out there, I'd rather save up, spend the money, and do it right the first time(which is something a lot of people on here should learn already, but I don't think that's going to happen any time soon).

Bought the PBM's new.

Kazama's were off a shell I parted out.

Cusco's...well, got an insanely good deal on them.

Johnny's not a baller, he's a hustler. He gets his parts the same way I do. It is a parts merry go round untill every part on the car is almost free. IE: I've been through 3 exhausts now and at this point I have actually MADE $100 by putting an exhaust on my car. That's how it works. Once you get far enough into it you can pick and choose what to keep for you and what to sell.

;)

:l101:

[CrimsonRockett]

Johnny's not a baller, he's a hustler. He gets his parts the same way I do. It is a parts merry go round untill every part on the car is almost free. IE: I've been through 3 exhausts now and at this point I have actually MADE $100 by putting an exhaust on my car. That's how it works. Once you get far enough into it you can pick and choose what to keep for you and what to sell.

;)

:l101:

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Haha.

Buy in bulk. Keep what you need. Sell what you don't need.

That's how it's done.

[oaznbeasto]

I love seeing the rice previous owners leave behind, I found all kind of goodies(It made me cry) are months of messing around

[FaLKoN240]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Haha.

Buy in bulk. Keep what you need. Sell what you don't need.

That's how it's done.

That's how I've been doing it, but now that people are broke and shit, I just kinda stay away from the parts game.

[miklos]

I know the thread is from last summer but it ain't closed so I'll write something here.
I bought some cheap ebay rear tow links. The "pillowballs" are cheap...they started to squeak. I took the link bars off and the pillowball heim joints were loose. Don't buy off brand suspension parts. SPC makes them with a rubber bushing if you don't want to spend over $200 on Tein or Tanabe.

[az_240]

I guess I'll add my experience with my adjustable arms since I'm doing a lot suspension/subframe work at the moment.

After about 10k on everything the SPL outter tie rod sphericals are beginning to get some play in them... it's not bad... just noticed it as I was checking for play in the wheel. Just bought some replacement sphericals for about $30 shipped from SPL which works for me. Such good customer service. Word from Kuah is he is coming out with a V.6 outter tie rod soon which will use higher quality Aurora sphericals.

My V1 toe rods are a little loose but no play as of yet.

The Cusco RUCA's are still like new! Very solid. I can tell the sphericals on these will last the longest. Probably because they have boots on them. These are my favorite arms but also the most $.

The Bings traction rods I have broke a thread or two about 3/4" toward the center on the inside of the arm but the heim ends have so much thread engagement that it doesnt matter. Not sure how it happened but meh... The heim ends on these are also a little loose but have no play.

[kalypso123]

altogether im glad this thread happened.

its a testament to brand clarity. which brands are producing what, and what the consensus is for each company.

PBM and SPL ftw.

[JDMSTYLE]

save your money buy good rucas.
end.

[ericcastro]

There is a difference between products that are not as expensive, and NO NAME shit off ebay.
If its all chrome, run away, lol.

And any lower end arms will always need the Heims replaced.
Thats kind of a no brainer.
Guess people havent done their research.
Its mentioned on every RUCA thread there is.

Shitty Heims usually end up putting ALOT of pressure in places it wasnt designed for.





Real Talk..........
Do people actually DIE when a Ruca breaks on the freeway?
I have seen it happen numerous times in Drift at high speed, and they usually just slow down and go drive off the track and fix it..........?

[FaLKoN240]

This is a good bump from the dead...

NOOBS OBSERVE.

And yes Castro, I'm sure someone could die because of a suspension failure.

Just has to be in the wrong place, wrong time.

Think about how many people have modified parts on their car, how many people daily drive with said parts, how fast they're going and how crazy the situation is.

It IS potentially dangerous.

In fact, my friend crashed his E36 M3 on a mountain road because of a suspension component failure.

He went off the hill, plummeted some odd feet and ALMOST died.

And it's not because he's a bad driver.

About a year ago he was a sponsored driver for a VW racing division.

His website.

http://www.calebkenneyracing.com/

[boostdd]

Completely agree

my s14 came with a lot of questionable parts on it, don't know what half the crap is, rear ruca heims were gone, lots of play, got some new ones from gsxrjordon. Hope the arms don't snap, has Megan coils which camber plates were shit, replaced those, wish I can replace all the suspension components, the coilovers , ruca, toe arms , traction bars as they are all aftermarket but all appear cheap

[AN89HATCH]

I was too afraid to run adjustable arms strictly from this problem. I even bought some to correct my chamber from the rear, and never put them on, thinking a little chamber is worth just keeping the oem piece's and to have a piece of mind as well. You guys are brave lol this was 3-4 years ago, and I still feel I could not trust my life, or others with adjustable arms on my (STREET CAR). For a strict track car, its a whole diff story than compared to driving on the freeway and having one of these break.

[az_240]

If you do have adjustable arms and you need an alignment please take it to a competent shop with experience. Always inspect the work after.

I once got my car back from an alignment shop and they tried to adjust the alignment by adjusting the arms themselves leaving very little thread engagement which can be dangerous. The worst part is they didn't even tighten the jam nuts!!!!!

[wh0aitznic0]

Damn bro that fucking sucks! When I first took my car to get alligned two years ago, a fully tubed Model-T looking custom dragster was the car ahead of me. The guy said he'd been going to that shop for YEARS to get allignments and the guy definitely knew what the fuck he was doing.

That gave me confidence in continuously going to that shop.

[reccakun08]

Hrmm this thread is a little unclear if someone could clear something up for me. What is a good RUCA for a car that is mainly a DD? From what Ive gathered most of these high end rucas are solid and not good for DD purposes.

[!Zar!]

Hrmm this thread is a little unclear if someone could clear something up for me. What is a good RUCA for a car that is mainly a DD? From what Ive gathered most of these high end rucas are solid and not good for DD purposes.

No adjustable rucas are made for DD.

Personally, I'd only run SPL linkages.

[az_240]

DD on adjustable RUCA is fine. Just expect the heim joint to wear out eventually.

If I didn't have Cusco I'd get SPL.

[PoorMans180SX]

Aftermarket RUCA's are fine on a DD.

No reason not to buy them. If for some reason you don't want a heim joint then you can get SPC. (Pretty dumb in my opinion.)

[240sxvaj]

why do some people always go cheap when its suspension work which keeps you on the road.

[!Zar!]

why do some people always go cheap when its suspension work which keeps you on the road.

People go by the assumption, 'it won't happen to me'. Or don't believe it is a snake till it bites them in the face.

[DreamN]

SPC arms are great for daily drivers. Great quality adjustable arms that have a harder rubber compound for the bushings. Truly the best option for folks still wanting to maintain a comfortable ride.

[AnotherZenkiKid]

the metal on that egay part is thin as hell it was only a matter of time until the little bastard snapped, good thing your all safe man, time to do a thorough check of the car for other crap parts.

[racepar1]

Just in case anyone didn't already know, that broken arm pictured in the OP is the brand that SPL used to re-sell with different bearings as their own part. AKA SPL version 1... Any of the broken arms that are pictured in this thread appear not to be broken because of fatigue and shitty manufacturing, but broken because of driver error or improper installation. The problem with cheap-o arms is the bearings, not the actual manufacturing 99.99999999% of the time. Almost nobody here has even half a clue what the fuck they are talking about...

[FaLKoN240]

Just in case anyone didn't already know, that broken arm pictured in the OP is the brand that SPL used to re-sell with different bearings as their own part. AKA SPL version 1... Any of the broken arms that are pictured in this thread appear not to be broken because of fatigue and shitty manufacturing, but broken because of driver error or improper installation. The problem with cheap-o arms is the bearings, not the actual manufacturing 99.99999999% of the time. Almost nobody here has even half a clue what the fuck they are talking about...

You also make a good point for all the cheap asses saying they should just buy shitty arms and put better joints in them.

WAKE UP PEOPLE.

[ericcastro]

Just in case anyone didn't already know, that broken arm pictured in the OP is the brand that SPL used to re-sell with different bearings as their own part. AKA SPL version 1... Any of the broken arms that are pictured in this thread appear not to be broken because of fatigue and shitty manufacturing, but broken because of driver error or improper installation. The problem with cheap-o arms is the bearings, not the actual manufacturing 99.99999999% of the time. Almost nobody here has even half a clue what the fuck they are talking about...

You also make a good point for all the cheap asses saying they should just buy shitty arms and put better joints in them.

WAKE UP PEOPLE.
Falken,

Maybe I am reading wrong.
But I think he said the opposite of what you are saying.

He said it is the shitty bearings/joints.
as well as operator error.

Also, there is a huge difference between arms that dont cost as much (godspeed/megan) and cheap ebay shit and knock off's.

I run godspeed suspension parts, but i would not run ebay, chromed out ruca's.


With the internet and being able to search, I am surprised anyone buys anything other then headlights for their cars on ebay.

[Grenade180sx]

Alignment has a huge issue with arms breaking as well boys and girls.

Ideally u want the heim joint straight not angled, Most alignment shops suck ass and just get the car straight.

a angled heim, no matter the quality WILL FAIL with the amount of stress that is put on it. IT binds up and will break.
dont always blame the arms.

[slider2828]

I run motoria arms... and they have held up pretty nicely... I personally don't like how all the RUCA's are going single tubed instead of dual tubes... but I dunno, imo 2 tubes better than 1? I know that two tubes really reduce how long you can go... but really?

[az_240]

Just in case anyone didn't already know, that broken arm pictured in the OP is the brand that SPL used to re-sell with different bearings as their own part. AKA SPL version 1... Any of the broken arms that are pictured in this thread appear not to be broken because of fatigue and shitty manufacturing, but broken because of driver error or improper installation. The problem with cheap-o arms is the bearings, not the actual manufacturing 99.99999999% of the time. Almost nobody here has even half a clue what the fuck they are talking about...

SPL did not make their own RUCAs until later... they resold Cusco RUCAs at first.

I have the V1 toe rods and they seem to be thicker/different than the RUCA that snapped in half. The arms look to be quality pieces and I have no concerns about them.

I think the SPC tension rods are worth it so you get some adjustability and maintain a decent ride. The heim joint tension rods are pretty harsh for a DD.

[racepar1]

Falken,

Maybe I am reading wrong.
But I think he said the opposite of what you are saying.

He said it is the shitty bearings/joints.
as well as operator error.

Also, there is a huge difference between arms that dont cost as much (godspeed/megan) and cheap ebay shit and knock off's.

I run godspeed suspension parts, but i would not run ebay, chromed out ruca's.


With the internet and being able to search, I am surprised anyone buys anything other then headlights for their cars on ebay.

It actually all depends on WHO we are talking about.

The average joe that is going to just slap em on would be MUCH better off with something like SPL. Spotting shitty manufacturing and sourcing random ass metric rod ends is just not everyone's "bag" so to speak.

The more intelligent and experienced "enthusiast" can look at a pair of arms and determine whether or not they are good to use. Also that person has the resourcefulness to go out and source the necessary rod ends. For example, I used a set of REALLY shitty e-bay RUCA's with a nice pair of bearings for years. I had seen multiple sets of these crack the welds by the upright brackets because the dimensions were a little big. I found some big thin washers and just shimmed them. Never had a problem. If I would have just slapped them on they would have broken for sure. Not everyone can do that, if YOU can't then spend the money on the good shit.

I have since moved onto better RUCA's, but they are just the e-bay "SPL version 1". I now plan to actually buy a set of the SPL RUCA's though. Since I have sold my old arms and am making all the rest of the arms myself I can afford to spend the money. Making a set of RUCA's is a bit more of a PITA then a set of trac arms... Besides, their new adjusters are the shit. I would never reccomend anyone to buy any other high dollar arms then SPL. I've been onboard with SPL since they supplied Mike Kojima the arms for his project 300zx...

SPL did not make their own RUCAs until later... they resold Cusco RUCAs at first.

I have the V1 toe rods and they seem to be thicker/different than the RUCA that snapped in half. The arms look to be quality pieces and I have no concerns about them.

I think the SPC tension rods are worth it so you get some adjustability and maintain a decent ride. The heim joint tension rods are pretty harsh for a DD.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong on the cusco parts, although I have heard that before. Maybe in their REALLY early years.

Honestly on that RUCA I STRONGLY suspect that the bearing siezed. It was probably just slapped on the car and never greased. Those shitty bearings HAVE to be greased. I used a set of them on my toe arms for a couple years. I kept them greased and they are still pretty tight to this day. I definitely got lucky on that, but you see my point...

Using bushings in place of bearings to reduce harshness is just not worth it. First of all, the bearings reduce friction which improves how the suspension responds to large bumps. You do get more noise and vibration, but not more harshness. When Kojima put the old SPL stuff on his "project 300zx" referenced above his statements mirrored my own here. FD RX7's came with full sphericals in the rear from the factory.

What WILL make a large difference in the harshness department is the subframe bushings.

[az_240]

Almost nobody here has even half a clue what the fuck they are talking about...

^Join the club.

^I know I'm 100% correct about SPL selling Cusco RUCAs because that is where I bought mine. That was probably 2 years ago.

And yes the SPL spherical tension rods are much more harsh than my stock tension rods with Nismo bushings pressed in. I have first hand experience with this.

With the SPL tension rods it was like I felt every rock in the road... not the case with the nismo bushings yet they still feel solid.

[racepar1]

^Join the club.

^I know I'm 100% correct about SPL selling Cusco RUCAs because that is where I bought mine. That was probably 2 years ago.

And yes the SPL spherical tension rods are much more harsh than my stock tension rods with Nismo bushings pressed in. I have first hand experience with this.

With the SPL tension rods it was like I felt every rock in the road... not the case with the nismo bushings yet they still feel solid.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm positive that you know way more then me. Hell, everyone does. Ask anyone. I know nothing about suspension.

:keke:

How did we get from talking about rear suspension arms to tension rods BTW??? Your tension rods are in the front suspension junior. Also they happen to be bolted directly to the chasis rather than an isolated subframe...


As for the cusco thing, my s-13 rear arms are not SPL, nor cusco, but they sure do look EXACTLY like SPL version 1. If you set them side by side you'd never be able to tell the SPL from the not. Maybe they did at one time re-sell cusco stuff, maybe just the s-14 arms or something, but I am POSITIVE that that's not the only thing they re-sold.

Stop being a jackass. You don't want to get into a suspension argument with me, especially about something so stupid.

[killer240]

umm? hello that shoud be comon sense.. duh never buy any ebay stuff for your car.
that sucks tho

edit:ebay crap(garbage)

[az_240]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm positive that you know way more then me. Hell, everyone does. Ask anyone. I know nothing about suspension.

How did we get from talking about rear suspension arms to tension rods BTW??? Your tension rods are in the front suspension junior. Also they happen to be bolted directly to the chasis rather than an isolated subframe...

Stop being a jackass. You don't want to get into a suspension argument with me, especially about something so stupid.

Hahaha I know you know your shit...no hard feelings. I was simply making a statement... you said you were almost sure I was wrong. I am correcting that.

You also said you would never waste your time on bushings instead of sphericals and that harshness is not affected. I am giving an example of when someone would want to use bushings instead of sphericals to reduce harshness. Yes it is in the front of the car but I did not know this was a rear only discussion.

The tension rods are the only ones I would consider using bushings instead of sphericals and this is for a DD.

[95KA-Turbo]

I read through this whole thread again because I thought I had updated what happened with my RUCA. They were breaking because the arms were hitting the chassis because the car was too low.

I since bought SPL arms and cut out part of the chassis to make room for the RUCA travel. No problems since then.

[GSXRJJordan]

I don't remember if I ever posted this, but this was Ray Diaz's (Swayray/West Co Nissan JDM parts guru) RUCA that he brought to me after the heim seized and snapped on him - I don't remember the brand. Obviously no one is going to lubricate the zerk fittings on their ebay heims, so they're ALL GOING TO DO THIS unless you replace them.

I even had the replacement in stock for him, he was amazed lol.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pHHKr5j1qNXNLXhvjxPck5CNCpZfvYEnQO_G73eatOPHC4eA CqasJbN4QNtY4zbsHFxNtagp9zjMAxXpj0pl3Vg/IMG_0310.jpg

Cheaply cast (not machined) body/shank, non-plated ball rusted, non-teflon/nylon race needed regular lubrication to survive and eventually gave up the ghost. He's lucky he didn't crash.

Alignment has a huge issue with arms breaking as well boys and girls.

Ideally u want the heim joint straight not angled, Most alignment shops suck ass and just get the car straight.

a angled heim, no matter the quality WILL FAIL with the amount of stress that is put on it. IT binds up and will break.
dont always blame the arms.

Good point Riley ~ although you can't break a heim by angling it (as long as there's still 'ball' under 100% of the race, it's fine), it can accelerate wear. Keep your heims as straight as possible when tightening those lock nuts!

I run motoria arms... and they have held up pretty nicely... I personally don't like how all the RUCA's are going single tubed instead of dual tubes... but I dunno, imo 2 tubes better than 1? I know that two tubes really reduce how long you can go... but really?

I also ran a set of Motorias with my heim joints in them for years, and just sold them to Karl Wasabi ~ they look brand new! Joints have no play either.

[Matej]

Wow, bummer.

[az_240]

I read through this whole thread again because I thought I had updated what happened with my RUCA. They were breaking because the arms were hitting the chassis because the car was too low.

I since bought SPL arms and cut out part of the chassis to make room for the RUCA travel. No problems since then.


Pfft I made a thread about this and it was basically ignored. Probably because of how straight forward it is.

Good to see you identified the problem before something serious happened.

I will be doing the same to my chassis soon... not sure if I want to cut a notch or hammer it slightly.

And yeah those zerk fitting heim joints are junk.

[95KA-Turbo]

Hahaha, yeah I had to identify the problem when I snapped the same arm twice - at two different drift events.

A hammer will not do much, that part of the chassis is pretty sturdy. I used a massive angle grinder and it took a bit of effort to get it cut away (I say I used it but my friend did it when I was working on getting some other crap in the subframe loose, haha).

[MeSs]

i used Motoria for almost 3 yrs, just lubricated them often, also i had a looong time getting the aligment right.
This was my DD for 2yrs also driftcar, and 1yr only driftcar.

The car is now sold and been running for 1yr with the same Motoria Arms.

So i think this all depends on the install, aligment and operator.

[GSXRJJordan]

i used Motoria for almost 3 yrs, just lubricated them often, also i had a looong time getting the aligment right.
This was my DD for 2yrs also driftcar, and 1yr only driftcar.

The car is now sold and been running for 1yr with the same Motoria Arms.

So i think this all depends on the install, aligment and operator.

Please, please replace those heims. Here's a comparison between the ones that come in the Motoria (and most cheap arms) and the heavy duty ones I use to replace them:

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p1IfopG8amYrRZ7sA6ULbd4VQf0xbEa2uUVDv02nKTrt7Wal TpdKkZMTuuP3fE4sDIrjBu1uluqkY9MMmXZiuSw/DSC05677

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pZShokiqbtqh79kFHHkmWBDC1u4IgGHab5RkgQB7dwTF7Y-whaMbTCB0bQ0nYkrfkJgN7PNgtqtO9HIX5GlU5fg/DSC05678

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pw9eolOcJEaTLNIeaxmcfOQYoEf_NZznk6NdAeht2QfExgvL hBAlCoPHvE5pjzK6sgvNaDefKoSoI3jPl3cm0PQ/DSC05679

The problem is that suspension arms in cars rarely take "smooth", "on axis" loads ~ most of the load they see is shock/uneven loading, which means you have to have beefier heims for them to last. Additionally, the unplated cheap heims won't stand up to the elements, so they'll get pitted and weaker as time goes on like the broken one I posted above.

[Unknown007]

I had Ebay arms and they worked fine.It's all on what quality or material the Ebay ones are made of.The quality of the welds also matter since it holds the arm in one piece.If you got a SPL arm with bad welds it's basically trash, but I doubt they'd ever do a mistake.

I wouldn't judge or say that the one you had was Ebay because I had a s14 Ebay arm on my Q45 which is a eavy car and it was driven hard.I then sold it to someone who used it on a drift event and said it handled like a champ.GL when buying, some of us are just lucky to get a good pair from the batch.

[wh0aitznic0]

I've had SPL V1 RUCA's on my car for over two years. Still hold up perfectly fine. They are definitely NOT resold ebay arms with different heims. I've never seen any ebay/megan/godspeed/isis arm with stacked dimes. The whole thing just fucking feels solid.

[MeSs]

Please, please replace those heims. Here's a comparison between the ones that come in the Motoria (and most cheap arms) and the heavy duty ones I use to replace them:


The problem is that suspension arms in cars rarely take "smooth", "on axis" loads ~ most of the load they see is shock/uneven loading, which means you have to have beefier heims for them to last. Additionally, the unplated cheap heims won't stand up to the elements, so they'll get pitted and weaker as time goes on like the broken one I posted above.
Thanks man, but like i said, ive sold the car.. But i will tell the new owner.

Where do i get the heavy duty ones? a website?

[GSXRJJordan]

Figured I'd bump this thread as there's been an increased amount of buzz about bump steer correction and a move towards high-quality heim joints. I'm still replacing cheaply cast heim joints on the regular, and because I'm currently pulling from 3 or 4 suppliers trying to keep everyone's needs met, I'm looking to go straight to the source and have my own heims made to my own specs.

Thanks man, but like i said, ive sold the car.. But i will tell the new owner.

Where do i get the heavy duty ones? a website?

I've got my site but I'm small time and like to be more personal - all sales are done over the phone or at least email/IM/Facebook. Hit me up I'll get ya taken care of.