what kind of short shifter do you prefer?

[mikael0402]

hey i'm tryin to get short shifter kit for my s14 but i wanna ask you guys
which brand or is it really matter if i buy one from ebay crap?:axe:
i mean it's just short shifter kit. i need some advices.

[Lev]

A shifter kit that isn't made well can mess with the synchros. Many people use the B&M short shifter, it's pricey but made very well. If you don't want/need your shift throw to be that short there is the NISMO solid shifter and the C's short shifter, both of those offer around 25%-35% shorter shift throw while eliminating the shifter slop that is common with the stock shifter. There are other companies, but in my opinion the above are 3 of the best.

Edit: It's best to avoid ebay brands whenever possible. In general (not always), they tend to be cheaply made, not too reliable, and lack the performance characteristics of the more established brands like B&M. In short, ebay brands, with any part not just a shifter is hit-or-miss.

[SlideWell]

i had a B&M on my last S14. absolutely loved it! way shorter throw than obx or any other crap, much stiffer too. well worth the money. make sure to get a current version 2, they have less rattling at high rpms. thats the one i had.

[ericcastro]

I got a cheap ebay type shifter through sonic motors.
It works great, easy to install.
i love it.
I drift my car once a month or more and daily and have had absolutely no problems.


i think short shifters are one of the areas you dont have to buy name brand. just like drift buttons and hubs.

[xs240]

Other than quality (getting crap after a while) one of my concerns is the 5k rpm vibrations... especially if you have solid/stiff engine and tranny mounts

[Kouki*Monster]

i run a tomei and i love it .

[SochBAT]

the NISMO solid shifter and the C's short shifter, both of those offer around 25%-35% shorter shift throw

WRONG.

The Nismo Solid Shifter does not reduce throw, it cleans up the slop and makes the feeling a lot more SOLID than stock. The stock feels like hotdog in a hallway, Nismo feels like a 21 year old at Prom.

I'd suggest the B&M short shifter, or CosmoRacing short shifter. They are designed the same, v2 B&M has no vibration issue, and neither does the CR one.

The C's shifter, which you bolt in by the neck of the shifter plate, is okay at best. It does get a bit loose over time.

[zenki.life]

B&M shifter.... NUFF SAID!!!!! close this thread lol

[iRONDONkey]

megan racing short shifter.

someone said it was the exact same as the B&M

[EDT007]

B&M ftmfw!

[usajdm]

[quote=Soooshi;2774146]WRONG.

Nismo feels like a 21 year old at Prom.quote]

Why would a 21 year old be at a prom?
Thats either a creepy ass dude, or a sorry ass chick.

Anyways, B&M.

[Phlip]

Had a B&M in my S14, and would readily suggest it...

Someone I know who happens to be EXTREMELY picky about their car suggested the Deluboz one on ebay when I got the S13, so I got it, and have dailied my S13 more than I did the S14 before it with zero issue. Only difference is that it rattles more than the B&M I had did, and I had one of the earlier B&M shifters.

I am not saying don't buy it, but I am saying it cost me a third what the B&M did.
... I'm just sayin'.

[Lev]

WRONG.

The Nismo Solid Shifter does not reduce throw, it cleans up the slop and makes the feeling a lot more SOLID than stock. The stock feels like hotdog in a hallway, Nismo feels like a 21 year old at Prom.

I'd suggest the B&M short shifter, or CosmoRacing short shifter. They are designed the same, v2 B&M has no vibration issue, and neither does the CR one.

The C's shifter, which you bolt in by the neck of the shifter plate, is okay at best. It does get a bit loose over time.

Not trying to insult your 5004 posts or anything, but the NISMO does reduce throw. Though I was wrong about the percentage since I was just writing from memory. Here is the description of the NISMO shifter from thenismoshop.com:

"By hardening the inner rubber of a standard shift lever, the amount of deflection is decreased. At the same time, the lever length was reduced by about 7.5mm, providing a stroke 10% shorter. This changes the rather soft touch of a standard car to a much more precise, fast feeling. At the same time, while the goal is to change to a quicker shift, an overly short shift stroke will result in poor, heavy shifting. Unlike a quick shift, the lever ratio has not been changed, so the transmission syncro is not effected and a moderately faster degree of shifting is possible."

[Otto347]

I got a pro 5.0 but its for the t56. :(

[yodc]

I grabbed my isis from enjuku, I love it and a few friends are getting their own after driving my car.

*ISIS Short Throw Shifter V2 - Nissan 240sx 89-98 - Enjuku Racing (http://enjukuracing.com/isis-short-throw-shifter-nissan-240sx-8998-p-8303.html)

[zenki.life]

oh thats good to know PHLIP(see i didnt say phillip this time haha) thanks

[94_240sx]

FYI, C's shifter has been discontinued. I tried C's on someone car(didn't actually drive it), B&M was better. It had more tight feel to it.

[Bigsyke]

Not trying to insult your 5004 posts or anything, but the NISMO does reduce throw. Though I was wrong about the percentage since I was just writing from memory. Here is the description of the NISMO shifter from thenismoshop.com:

"By hardening the inner rubber of a standard shift lever, the amount of deflection is decreased. At the same time, the lever length was reduced by about 7.5mm, providing a stroke 10% shorter. This changes the rather soft touch of a standard car to a much more precise, fast feeling. At the same time, while the goal is to change to a quicker shift, an overly short shift stroke will result in poor, heavy shifting. Unlike a quick shift, the lever ratio has not been changed, so the transmission syncro is not effected and a moderately faster degree of shifting is possible."

Not to insult your join date, but a 7.5mm reduction of lever length has 0% reduction in throw. You need to increase the length below the pivot to reduce shifting throw.

Any real true short shifter will have a longer pivot, this is why most ebay honda shifters hit a 2.5" exhaust.

The only difference with a B&M and ebay counterparts is the housings and possibly the material the shifter itself is made out of. The only way to say an ebay shifter is a peice of garbage is if they either adjust the pivot point too much, or just shorten the shifter handle and call it a short shifter. How is a shift kit that isnt made right going to mess with the synchros? the driver and fluid directly affect the synchros.

Most of the ebay shifters are just copying B&M$ housing and hight of pivot point. I was assume the reason they rattle is the shitty bearing they use.

[swayray]

WRONG.

The Nismo Solid Shifter does not reduce throw, it cleans up the slop and makes the feeling a lot more SOLID than stock. The stock feels like hotdog in a hallway, Nismo feels like a 21 year old at Prom.

I'd suggest the B&M short shifter, or CosmoRacing short shifter. They are designed the same, v2 B&M has no vibration issue, and neither does the CR one.

The C's shifter, which you bolt in by the neck of the shifter plate, is okay at best. It does get a bit loose over time.

That is very true... the nismo solid shifter only cleans up the slop making it feel more solid which in some cases people feel like there is a reduction in throw but not really...

I currently have the B&M short shifter on my s13 coupe. Even with all the great remarks about it, it doesn't feel as smooth as a stock shifter and i often find myself forcing it to shift into gear. Not to mention the noise... but then again i still have the version one.

I personally like the smoothness of a stock shifter matched with a nismo GT shift knob and a brand new shifter bushing. For the price of a new B&M short shifter, I can afford to purchase 3 of these GT shift knobs and bushings. But i guess each person has their own preference when it comes to this.

[kris]

stock wouldnt have it any other way

[SochBAT]

you want one with THIS design.

http://enjukuracing.com/images/shifter.jpg

and

http://www.sillbeer.com/images/driveline/bandm-s13shifter-top.jpg

[Lith]

I would suggest you buy a real B&M short shifter. Probably the best you can get for the S13/14.

Btw, I've noticed that there's a lot of copies of the B&M short shifter.. i.e. the Cosmos Racing and the Deluboz shifters people have mentioned.. they are basically the exact same price and I'm sure they are made at the same factory.
I've seen this shifter before in someones car and it doesn't feel the same as the real B&M one. Also, there's a slight difference in the design of the base. The real B&M one uses a sleeve with a spring and couple of plates on top of the spring to keep the shifter in place. The copies don't have that sleeve for the spring and don't have the plates either.. there's just a spring with some screw on top to keep the shifter in place. (I hope this makes some sense).
Point is, the copies don't have the same feel as the B&M one. At least I could notice a difference..

[BlitzRPS13]

I have a c's short shifter and the gf has kei office. Work great.

[iRONDONkey]

I bought an ISIS one yesterday.

[s14_mike]

i have the isis for my 14 and with the stock shift knob there is little to no rattle. It feels tight and gets rid of the slop. It gets the job done for the price no complaints.

[lightsource]

I have the megan one... I suggest going with the B&M one, construction is almost the same, but the B&M is better.

[flip3d]

B&M es muy bueno.

[lightsource]

B&M es muy bueno.

si cierto!

[fuk240sx]

I have the B&m and my buddy got a megan one made the same as the B&M b ut there is aworld of difference b/w them. The B&M is alot better, the megan feels real sloppy!

[murda-c]

Not to insult your join date, but a 7.5mm reduction of lever length has 0% reduction in throw. You need to increase the length below the pivot to reduce shifting throw.

Any real true short shifter will have a longer pivot, this is why most ebay honda shifters hit a 2.5" exhaust.

The only difference with a B&M and ebay counterparts is the housings and possibly the material the shifter itself is made out of. The only way to say an ebay shifter is a peice of garbage is if they either adjust the pivot point too much, or just shorten the shifter handle and call it a short shifter. How is a shift kit that isnt made right going to mess with the synchros? the driver and fluid directly affect the synchros.

Most of the ebay shifters are just copying B&M$ housing and hight of pivot point. I was assume the reason they rattle is the shitty bearing they use.

How is a shorter not going to make the throw shorter?

I can't understand how that makes sense.

[KoukiMonsta]

top speed, works for me

edit: in my daily s14

[SochBAT]

How is a shorter not going to make the throw shorter?

I can't understand how that makes sense.

This about it as 2 pieces, the top part, which you use to shift into gears, and the bottom, which engages the gears.

They are joined together at IIRC, the fulcrum?

The longer the bottom end, the less movement the top end needs, as it creates a longer throwing distance, ie, moves more with less input.

It works like leverage. The longer the rod past the fulcrum, the less movement/force is needed from the controlling end.

Shorter makes your throws longer.

Longer makes your throws shorter.

[ixfxi]

I run B&M and would only recommend doing so if you have a solid or very sturdy transmission mount. B&M caused the demise of my beloved KA24E........ tear.............

With solid mount, the transmission will not sway and you wont have to hunt for the gear in extreme situations.

[murda-c]

This about it as 2 pieces, the top part, which you use to shift into gears, and the bottom, which engages the gears.

They are joined together at IIRC, the fulcrum?

The longer the bottom end, the less movement the top end needs, as it creates a longer throwing distance, ie, moves more with less input.

It works like leverage. The longer the rod past the fulcrum, the less movement/force is needed from the controlling end.

Shorter makes your throws longer.

Longer makes your throws shorter.

I think they mean the top part of the lever....

[WagDatto]

Since we're on the topic, I've always wondered about this...

I've seen the solid shifter BUSHINGS for sale for what... $20-$40 or something? Do these make a noticeable difference? In what way? Or are they just because the stock plastic ones wear down over time?

[murda-c]

I heard the stock nissan ones are the best feel.

[sp3ckz]

I use the B&M just like half the people on this thread!! you get what you pay for!
sooo B&M ftw!

[SochBAT]

I think they mean the top part of the lever....

If the top part of the lever is shortened, the throw is the same. YOU will have to shift the distance shorter, and will have no leverage gain on the throws, if that makes sense.

Shorter up top = Same distance traveled after fulcrum, shorter distance gained from above fulcrum.

And its not as effective as it seems.

[Propaganda]

I heard the stock nissan ones are the best feel.
That's because you hear it from cheap people..

When I got my B&M, I felt sad because although it shortened the throw, it did not feel that much tighter than stock to me. When I put in the bushing, it was tight as hell


BTW, how come this thread isn't locked, I'm pretty sure there are at least 6 threads that discuss this

[The Stig]

I run a B&M copy with a stock miata "pistolgrip" shift knob. The shift knob is weighted so no rattles.