KA24 unorthodox pulley set

[zenki.life]

hey guys to any of you guys who know, just how rare is a full unorthodox pulley set. the full set...... alternator, power steering, water pump, and crank pulley. and what do you think would be a good price for it to be sold used? in good condition.

[C. Senor]

i suggest using the search option to find out what people have sold them for in the past. i'm going off of what i remember. i think they stopped making the sets, and when they did they were like 150-200 new. but that's only what i remember.

[zenki.life]

i mean the ENTIRE SET not just the underdrive pulley

[C. Senor]

that's why i said search. ENTIRE SETS have been sold in the past on this website. like i mentioned in the other post, it's all based off of memory. so maybe they went for more. but i'm not sure. which is why i suggested searching.

[zenki.life]

cant find pricing on this site. and they are discontinued online or anywhere

[240=180]

i have em and i <3 em

[Nvincibleleester]

it was on the group buy once. check there
it like around 260

[projectRDM]

More than that. New retail was $479 for the complete set. The crank pulley was $209. I remember it because my friend Scott Buwalda was the one who got the full kit into production. That was a damn long time ago, they were discontinued mainly because UR didn't list the correct application, they sold the kit for 95-98 models only since no one put it together they would fit 91-94 models too. Limited sales forced them to quit production.

[SochBAT]

Good luck finding em now too. Fairly hard to come buy.

you could get an ebay set for the other accesories and a more reputable crank pulley and jimmy rig em together.

CosmoRacing? ATI?

[zenki.life]

no i mean i just bought some to tell you the truth for 200 bucks. paint is not even worn or anything. i just wanted to know if i got ripped off. i dont think i did.

[DreamN]

You sure they're all UR pieces? Plus I thought they were only sold with a polished finish?

[projectRDM]

UR pulleys were anodized. Black, red, blue, and then polished.

$200 is a good price. You won't see a lot of power gains but they do look kick ass on the car.

[palmdale_mob]

You won't see a lot of power gains but they do look kick ass on the car.

Won't it help out some?

Maybe rev a little quicker or something?

[zenki.life]

ive heard you can pull out some good horsepower out of it

and what should i expect in power increases if any

[zenki.life]

here they are

http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr282/sexyzenki/4770_1.jpg

http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr282/sexyzenki/BPl9eQmkKGrHgoOKkQEjlLmTodMBJ0WocGM.jpg

[Matej]

The full set frees up 12hp.

[DreamN]

good come up.

thanks for the info russ.

[xs240]

The full set frees up 12hp.
dyno proven lol? If so I want it. Would make a great addition to all the boltons I have on my KA.

[zenki.life]

dyno proven lol? If so I want it. Would make a great addition to all the boltons I have on my KA.

thats what im trying to say. i was under the assumption they are super super hard to come by.

[DreamN]

They are pretty hard nowadays since most don't resell them.

A year or so ago someone tried to get a group buy going to get a new batch made, but a lot of flakes was the cause for it not going through. Was going to be cheap too, $250 or so.

[xs240]

Man for 250 im up for it. Lets do this shiznit! If it's dyno proven 10whp hell yeah.

[Matej]

dyno proven lol?
http://www.importtuner.com/powerpages/0210it_1996_nissan_240sx_se/index.html

[DreamN]

^ there were around 40-50 people that said the same thing you said and when it came to pay only about 15-20 actually sent money. I was so pissed that it didn't go through. Could always try again, but s-chassis owners are too cheap.

[Matej]

It was 250$ for the accessory pulleys, not including the crank pulley, if I recall correctly.

http://zilvia.net/f/group-buys/188544-unorthodox-racing-accessory-pulleys-ka.html

[zenki.life]

so am i to say that 200 for all pullys was a good deal then?

[xs240]

Lets frickin do it. I f'en want it.

[projectRDM]

You're wasting your time. Group buys are pointless because everyone wants the shit but no one can cough up the money. Plus the OBX set on Ebay is a direct copy and can be had for $165, complete set. Then you just make your own timing marks on the crank pulley or sell it and buy a UR, ASP, or ATI crank pulley.

UR isn't going to make them anymore because they failed so badly the first time, partly their fault and partly because 240SX are cheap fuckers. $479 for a complete kit is a lot of coin for a 16yr old pizza delivery driver.

[xs240]

lol but im not a 16 year old pizza delivery boy :(

Well if the OBX ones are a DIRECT EXACT copy ill go for it... although i HATE buying obx/megan/nrg crapage/garbage... i want to make sure its 100% a good deal, not gona screw me over in a different way.. this is my summer/road racing track car... i dont want garbage on it...

for the crank pulley though.. i know the ATI one is pure bad ass but its 500 bux... its dampened/etc... as much as im all for quality... thats a bit on the hefty side of things for one pulley.. unless of course i can have it for 200 bux used but working/non damaged.

No clue on the UR/ASP ones... whats the difference.

Edit: Also what about belts...

[zenki.life]

go with some hks belt........they even have diff colored ones :angel:

[zenki.life]

and btw im sorry to everyone if this started some thinking again about another group buy for these things. group buys NEVER seem to work our EVER!

so trash the idea that is swirling around in everyones heads.

[palmdale_mob]

Dumb question, but can you still run your stock clutch fan set up with a pulley set like this?

[DreamN]

It was 250$ for the accessory pulleys, not including the crank pulley, if I recall correctly.

http://zilvia.net/f/group-buys/188544-unorthodox-racing-accessory-pulleys-ka.html

shit your right. my bad. was still a good deal though. planned on getting an ATI crank one.

[Matej]

Is there any difference between S13 and S14 KA accessory pulleys?

I have been wanting to buy the OBX set, but I always see it listed only for S14's.

However, I do not see what about them could be different.
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[projectRDM]

Is there any difference between S13 and S14 KA accessory pulleys?

I have been wanting to buy the OBX set, but I always see it listed only for S14's.

However, I do not see what about them could be different.
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Did you read the first page? For all those who missed it:

Unorthodox Racing developed the KA24DE accessory pulley kit on behalf of Scott Buwalda (buwaldahybrids.com) who at the time was trying to bring more market interest in the KA. This was like 1999 or so. Since Scott had an S14, they both put the kit together for the S14 chassis only, unaware of the fitment to the S13 chassis as well. UR quit production since they couldn't sell to a big enough audience and were priced too high.
OBX copied the design exactly besides the timing marks and had ridden off the development UR first laid out. But since they're not informed either, they only list it for S14s also.

Either kit fits all 91-98 DOHC KAs for the 240SX. It may also fit Frontier/Altima but I don't know.

Dumb question - Yes, the clutch fan fits. It's a replacement pulley, it's no different in design other than size and weight.

The UR pulley was redesigned in 1998 and fitted with a steel sleeve, the early models were all aluminum and wore on the crank seal, creating a leak. Anything you find on the market now that's a UR piece is the correct one with the sleeve.

ASP is a machined aluminum one also, very similar to the UR but cheaper. I don't know if they're still made either, we had a group buy on FA for them about 10 years ago too.

[Matej]

Good to know, thank you.

[rob_g]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe 2 of the 3 accessory pulleys fit the sohc also. The p/s doesn't because of the bend in the oil line. I can't say for sure though so.

[zenki.life]

ive heard that as well. but im not sure

[xs240]

well the thing is i have alot of solid race bushings everywhere, and the KA lets just say scares me 6-7k rpm... i always shift at 6k because of this reason anyways lol...

[arkive43]

also, there's another company NST (non stop tuning) that manufactures these same sets of pulleys you may wana check them out.

[EliteGTR]

i can bring these pulleys back if theres interest. just throwing it out there.

[Rag]

i can bring these pulleys back if theres interest. just throwing it out there.

Is this IFX Wen?

[ChicagoS14]

The only issue with either the OBX or UR set is that aside from the lack of timing marks on the crank pulley, you will notice that after hard driving you will go through rear main seals like nobodies business. Mainly because they don't have harmonic dampers.The Fluidampr and ATI crank pulleys are the only aftermarket pulleys that actually work without detrimental effects to the engine.

[Matej]

The only issue with either the OBX or UR set is that aside from the lack of timing marks on the crank pulley, you will notice that after hard driving you will go through rear main seals like nobodies business. Mainly because they don't have harmonic dampers.
The authentic UR crank pulley does have timing marks, and the stock crank pulley is not a harmonic balancer either.

[I LUV MY S13]

can anyone send me a link to the obx set? i cant seem to find em..

[DreamN]

can anyone send me a link to the obx set? i cant seem to find em..

Let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=obx+pulley+set+240sx)

Then click shopping. :p

[zenki.life]

good thing i dont do hard driving cuz i have the entire set installed lol

[turbo2nr]

obx pully is garbage!

i bought one when i broke my stock pully,
first it had no timing marks.
second it did fit right on the crank collar it was to tight
third the front main seal was too loose on the pully causing the oil to leak out when the oil pressure increase.

it is garbage, i called obx and they are no help, they dont know their hands from their feet. i wish UR still made their pully id get one in a second, i rather pay extra for a quality part that works...

[projectRDM]

obx pully is garbage!

i bought one when i broke my stock pully,
first it had no timing marks.
second it did fit right on the crank collar it was to tight
third the front main seal was too loose on the pully causing the oil to leak out when the oil pressure increase.

it is garbage, i called obx and they are no help, they dont know their hands from their feet. i wish UR still made their pully id get one in a second, i rather pay extra for a quality part that works...

The OBX is an exact copy of the UR stuff, I've installed dozens of both of them over the last decade. The difference as I stated above is the UR was redesigned within the first year with a steel sleeve to reduce wear on the crank seal, the OBX is still the old design, all aluminum, and therefore wears more as it expands a bit when heated. And yes, there are no timing marks on the OBX, again we talked about this already.

As for not having a harmonic damper, the OE pulley doesn't have one either. We've talked about that since the dawn of the internet, the rubber piece in the OE pulley is designed to absorb shock when the A/C compressor engages. It *may* help with harmonics too, but that's not it's purpose, and I've seen plenty of cars with the UR pulley (my own for nearly 160k miles) that have no issues from it being installed.

[zenki.life]

ok good cuz all this pully talk gets me worried

[xpinoyxmk]

Dumbass uncle posted for me.

As for the pulleys, it sounds decent. Wouldnt mind getting a set. Going to rebuild my other ka soon, so i might pick up a set

[zenki.life]

me likey cars a lot...

what are you, retarded? post whore? both?

[EliteGTR]

either way just seen if there is interest. I have been working with unorthodox, the pulley has been redesigned making it lighter then before. we are looking about $120.00 shipped for the crank pulley. would need about 15 people interested.

[DreamN]

Damn $120 really? That's a great price. Any chance on trying to get another group buy going for the accessory pulley set?

[palmdale_mob]

I would be part of that group buy

[EliteGTR]

sets can be done. i think there a lot of confusion between the 91-96 accessory fitments. the accessories were developed using a 98 240sx. so 97-98 is not a problem. i think the problem is the 95-96 has a different offset on the waterpump and may require a spacer? not sure about 91-94.

[xpinoyxmk]

sets can be done. i think there a lot of confusion between the 91-96 accessory fitments. the accessories were developed using a 98 240sx. so 97-98 is not a problem. i think the problem is the 95-96 has a different offset on the waterpump and may require a spacer? not sure about 91-94.

If you do make a set and then give us some reviews on it, ill pick up a set as long as it fits my car and doesnt give me a major problems. Drive a 93 240sx.

[usajdm]

Any confirmation that any of the pulleys fit on SOHC?

[EliteGTR]

sohc crank is different

[projectRDM]

sets can be done. i think there a lot of confusion between the 91-96 accessory fitments. the accessories were developed using a 98 240sx. so 97-98 is not a problem. i think the problem is the 95-96 has a different offset on the waterpump and may require a spacer? not sure about 91-94.

Completely false. The accessory set was developed on Scott's car as I mentioned on page one, a 1995 model. He got the ball rolling nearly a decade ago.
There is absolutely no difference in fitment from 1991-1998 for the RWD KA. If they'll just break out the old castings they can use them again for all DOHC models, period.

[EliteGTR]

dont know. unorthodox cant back up 91-94 fitting. i had a friend with a 95 who had an issues with the waterpump offset. seems to troublesome. will try to get a GB for the crank together. accessories are just mostly for show anyways maybe good for 1-2 hp.

but unorthodox did have this info, they just dont know if they confirmed everything.

according to their drawings they have
alternator was for 95-98
P/S was for 91-98
W/P was for 89-96
they also had another drawing for the alternator pulley for 89 but no end year.

also nothing has been updated since 01 and lot of the people working back then are no longer with the company.

[projectRDM]

dont know. unorthodox cant back up 91-94 fitting. i had a friend with a 95 who had an issues with the waterpump offset. seems to troublesome. will try to get a GB for the crank together. accessories are just mostly for show anyways maybe good for 1-2 hp.

but unorthodox did have this info, they just dont know if they confirmed everything.

according to their drawings they have
alternator was for 95-98
P/S was for 91-98
W/P was for 89-96
they also had another drawing for the alternator pulley for 89 but no end year.

also nothing has been updated since 01 and lot of the people working back then are no longer with the company.

Are you not able to read, or do you just like ignoring shit?

The DOHC KA alternator, power steering pump, and water pump are the same from 91-98. We ALL know this. Therefore, the pulleys are the same. Simple common sense. Whatever UR has for their 'drawings', they're not 240SX owners. They haven't torn down dozens of them and worked on or serviced hundreds more. They haven't fitted their kit or the OBX kit on numerous KAs from 1991-1998. I have. I'm not saying this again, the UR and OBX kits are the same. And they fit all 91-98 DOHC RWD KA engines.

[EliteGTR]

guy relax. say it again all you want. i read what you wrote. my point is im not going by what someone online says. Im not going to do a groupbuy only to have possible issues.

[zenki.life]

i have all of the accessory pulleys installed on my 91 KA motor. they fit end of story.

[projectRDM]

guy relax. say it again all you want. i read what you wrote. my point is im not going by what someone online says. Im not going to do a groupbuy only to have possible issues.

So if the guys at UR told you the same, you wouldn't believe them either?

What if Greddy told you their exhaust bolts right up to your car, you'll call them a liar too?

Idiot. I'm done with this.

[EliteGTR]

So if the guys at UR told you the same, you wouldn't believe them either?

What if Greddy told you their exhaust bolts right up to your car, you'll call them a liar too?

Idiot. I'm done with this.


If UR said so Yes. that means they researched this and would be held liable if there are fitment issues. I do it your're wrong its a big problem. you just dont get it. I'll never take someones words at face value without proof to back it up. I said so doesn't cut it. The only idiot is you for not understanding this. Please, don't reply as i have no further interest in what you have to say.

[ManoNegra]

if Russ says so then IT IS so... lol
when will people learn?

[EliteGTR]

well i mean if russ says so its gotta be true http://forums.clubsi.com/images/graemlins/default/facepalm.gif is russ says so is he going to deal with the people who may have problems, refund their money etc...

btw I am not saying he is wrong nor am i disagreeing with him. i just simply stating that i can't sell parts to people that UR doesn't guarantee fitment because someone said so. Put it this way unless we can find 30 people committed to do the accessories and waive all responsibility on my end and unorthodox end I will not do a group buy.

[ManoNegra]

EliteGTR - it wasn't a dig at you
Old school guys like Russ is where the majority of s-chassis knowledge
we take for granted came from
I've been around long enough to know that
I was simply alluding to that
good luck on your group buy

[Zen S14]

I have the complete UR set for my 1995 motor. In my case the Water pump pully did not fit properly and I did not use it. I still have it laying about in my garage somewhere. The pully's center point was slightly off, which means the belt is sitting at a slight angle in relation to the other pullies when the full set is installed. After showing this situation to me my mechanic recommended I leave it off.

[EliteGTR]

my friend had that problem with his 95 as well as i mentioned previously. guess im not making stuff up. might have something to with early production 95 cars? maybe UR first runs? My friend has a 95 (maybe 96) im going to take some measurements and see what i can come up with.

[Zen S14]

I don't know if it is specific to a batch or the 95 model year. I don't recall exactly when I bought the set but it was at least a year or so after UR offered them.

The reason the pully did not fit is because the UR pully is thicker by a few milimeters than the stock pully. This extra thickness caused the pully to sit slightly forward of the stock pully position when installed and consequently made the belt sit at an angle.

I am however quite happy with them and have had no issues with the installed pieces.

[EliteGTR]

would you be able to take a measurement of the thickness of the ur pulley and the oem one?

edit - you have to measure from the middle belt section to the inside front face. should either be 27.5mm or 29.5mm

[EliteGTR]

i have all of the accessory pulleys installed on my 91 KA motor. they fit end of story.

unorthodox or obx? no alignment issues? does your car have hicas?

[Zen S14]

would you be able to take a measurement of the thickness of the ur pulley and the oem one?

I may be able to get the measurement of the thickness of UR pully if I can findi it. I don't have a stock pully off of the car to measure though.

[Dream240]

Hey Elite: Just curious, but did your friend happen to install the pulley on backwards or something?

Russ is right, there is no difference in the accessories from any 91-98 240sx. My reasoning is the same as Russ' I've torn down a 91', 95', 96', & 97' 240sx. Interchanged parts, reused parts from car to car, engine wise they're all practically the same. I mean just compare the FSMs.....

As far as your complaint about offset? Maybe your friends car had some previous front end damage that resulted in some mis-mounted parts. You'd be surprised how many 240sx's have prior front end damage. Or maybe he was just installing it wrong? Was the pulley wobbly under operation? Possibly defective?

I'm sure there were some manufacturer defects on the part of UR, since they are using a mold and molds tend to wear out over time. Honestly, why worry about the accessory pullies anyways? They're purely a fluff upgrade. Just focus on getting the group buy on the crank pulley. That's a solid deal.

And a piece of advice, dont' argue with Russ.....he's a god. :)

[EliteGTR]

Hey Elite: Just curious, but did your friend happen to install the pulley on backwards or something?

Russ is right, there is no difference in the accessories from any 91-98 240sx. My reasoning is the same as Russ' I've torn down a 91', 95', 96', & 97' 240sx. Interchanged parts, reused parts from car to car, engine wise they're all practically the same. I mean just compare the FSMs.....

As far as your complaint about offset? Maybe your friends car had some previous front end damage that resulted in some mis-mounted parts. You'd be surprised how many 240sx's have prior front end damage. Or maybe he was just installing it wrong? Was the pulley wobbly under operation? Possibly defective?

I'm sure there were some manufacturer defects on the part of UR, since they are using a mold and molds tend to wear out over time. Honestly, why worry about the accessory pullies anyways? They're purely a fluff upgrade. Just focus on getting the group buy on the crank pulley. That's a solid deal.
And a piece of advice, dont' argue with Russ.....he's a god. :)

no, not installed backwards. if you read above my friends car is not the only with this issue. UR does not use a mold. They are CNC machined. Im not to concerned about the accessories, I made that clear but people were asking. Never disagreed with him just stating why I cant do it. The problem with manufactures is they tend to always throw a curve ball somewhere in production making slight changes.

all in all it makes sense that 91-98 would work as the crank is the same.

[EliteGTR]

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