Unfortunate Sideswiping, My car's done

[s13_ricky]

Last weekend I parked my car on the street and in the morning I woke up to my car sitting on top of the curb. Now I'm waiting for the police report and hopefully catch the guy who was driving the BMW. There goes my ride =(
No more Night Drift at Adams for a while.

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[snowmants]

WOW....i\I was reading and looking at the pictures and I was thinking how the heck did you know it was a BMW that did it...then i scrolled over. That is UNBELIEVABLE.
Look at the gangsta lean of those seat in the bimmer too. The person just fled the scene?
Sorry to see that man. I hope they catch the guy.

[ManoNegra]

at least it wasn't a hit and run
how it's so often the case
looks like insurance is going to call it a loss
I'd keep it and part it out

[Wheelchair]

^ It kind of WAS a hit and run. He said he's still waiting for the cops to catch the guy.

I guess the dude hit your car...found out his car was f'ed up...and then ran away...

[VanduzerLancerES]

lol, FAIL on the BMW's part.. Hopefully it was the owner driving it.. lol

[s13_ricky]

Yea, cops called it a hit and run, since there was no note. I swapped out the suspension and found out the rear's leakage was the brakes but it was my left rear coilovers that was bent and that was leaking. It's a nightmare. No car. But I'm anticipating the insurance to call it a total loss.

[cc4usmc]

Someone jacked that BMW for a little joy ride lol.

[s13_ricky]

Someone jacked that BMW for a little joy ride lol.

That's what I was thinking too. Damn I hope its not. Kinna paranoid about it at the moment, but only time will tell.

[VanduzerLancerES]

Yeah, Id say start taking your lovely parts off and put the stock ones back on :) haha then if they say its a total loss, get your check buy a new 240, and slap your parts on.

[5t341tH]

at least the car is still there. good luck finding out the perp.

[240bch]

fucked up dude hope they get his ass son, somethin like this happened to me b4 dude hit all 4 of my cars totalled the one up front and each one back into each other I WAS PISSED

[palmdale_mob]

Somebody was drunk

[hunter8411]

That's what I was thinking too. Damn I hope its not. Kinna paranoid about it at the moment, but only time will tell.

What sucks is a lot of times the owner will say the car was stolen even if it wasn't. Has happened to a friend, and they got screwed over it. Hope that's not the case for you.

[ericcastro]

What sucks is a lot of times the owner will say the car was stolen even if it wasn't. Has happened to a friend, and they got screwed over it. Hope that's not the case for you.
exactly what i was gonna warn him about.


and the car will be a total loss.
You could buy it back as salvage and just use it as a drift missile!
put some over fenders on the rear, pick up a new fender for free and wait to see who has a spare door from a parts car.


amazing how often this happens here in SoCal.
see it all the time.
Never saw it my whole life in WA.

[singlecamslam]

That is fixable suspension wise, good enough to were it will feel and drive like it never happened before. For the body, use that guys advise ^^ Say that you saw the ownder get out of the car and run or something.

[projekt_s13]

What sucks is a lot of times the owner will say the car was stolen even if it wasn't. Has happened to a friend, and they got screwed over it. Hope that's not the case for you.

Doesnt it need to be reported before the accident? Or else anyone can smash their car into shit and just report it stolen.

[cc4usmc]

What sucks is a lot of times the owner will say the car was stolen even if it wasn't. Has happened to a friend, and they got screwed over it. Hope that's not the case for you.

In your friends situation, how did you know the car wasn't really stolen?

[drifter_for_life06]

that blows dude...good luck with getting that asshole


and i donno about Cali laws...but here in PA you dont have to report it stolen before the accident. Girlfriends dad got drunk and put his van over a ditch, got out and walked home...cops came to the house and said they found his van and he just played dumb and said it must have been stolen...and they believe him

[jeffwiggins]

this sux my friend just had his car hit and run on the street while he was sleeping but they left the scene we all need to take our 240's and put them in the driveway and call it a day

[Vision Garage]

Welcome to the club guys!!!!

[hunter8411]

In your friends situation, how did you know the car wasn't really stolen?

You're right, there is no 100% way to know it WASN'T stolen.


and i donno about Cali laws...but here in PA you dont have to report it stolen before the accident. Girlfriends dad got drunk and put his van over a ditch, got out and walked home...cops came to the house and said they found his van and he just played dumb and said it must have been stolen...and they believe him

This is what happened, the cops showed up to the owners house the next afternoon. And the owner said the car must have been stolen the night before, and they hadn't had a chance to report it yet.

[gotspins13]

i got a door =] just missing the part where you stic the key in. but i dont think you want to come up to nor cal for a door haha

[bradass]

omg wtf! i would be pissed!

[adrians_s13]

after seeing the pics....

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!

crazy stuff man...

[s13_ricky]

exactly what i was gonna warn him about.


and the car will be a total loss.
You could buy it back as salvage and just use it as a drift missile!
put some over fenders on the rear, pick up a new fender for free and wait to see who has a spare door from a parts car.


amazing how often this happens here in SoCal.
see it all the time.
Never saw it my whole life in WA.

Making it to a drift missile isn't a bad idea. First off I would have to align it all up again and change up all those parts that are bent. I haven't had a good look at it yet, but I haven't really been wanting to look at my baby. I've been looking for another 240 already but it is kind of early since I don't even have my hands on a police report. I hope I get some reparations for this. It's not fun to not have a car.

[I10cruiser]

i still cant believe they left the car there!

[gotspins13]

anything on if the car that hit you was stolen or not?

[YoungGun]

Sorry to hear this man, good luck in the future.

[s14_jon]

Dang someone hook this guy up with a shell at least. His car got raped!

[s13_ricky]

anything on if the car that hit you was stolen or not?

Didn't seem like anything was stolen on that car. Everything looked fine. The ignition wasn't popped, so I think the BMW wasn't stolen.

Sorry to hear this man, good luck in the future.

Thanks.

[iRONDONkey]

you must be able to get some angle if your wheels can turn that far.

[mondojackal]

you must be able to get some angle if your wheels can turn that far.
Dude, don't be a dick like that. Guy just lost his 240. That's tough.

Bro, I hope everything works out for ya. I can't imagine how I'd get around something like this. Best of luck to ya, and I sincerely hope it all works out for you!

[DataXUnknown]

You should have just jacked the beamer and part that shit out, parted out your 240 as well, then bam you got some real cash to get a nice new 240 and it all works out. =) Oh and beat his ass down.

That is, if the owner is lieing.

Otherwise, your S.O.L. some drunk dude probably stole it for a joy ride. Who knows, maybe some day he will brag about his "smashing a 240sx with a BMW that wasen't his" story and it will come up through people.

[Grenade180sx]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! :( im so sorry riccckkyy i miss u already at adams and you too john damn it. ill keep my eyes peeled for a chassis!

-Riley

[s13_ricky]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! :( im so sorry riccckkyy i miss u already at adams and you too john damn it. ill keep my eyes peeled for a chassis!

-Riley

Ah, thanks Riley. Damn I was going to run tonight too. I was so freakin excited, but then this happened over the weekend. So I sat out, and I guess everyone did too this week. Hopefully everything will turn out fine.

I'd also like to thank everyone for their supports. It's tough without my own car. I gotta borrow ma and pop's ride. I was even looking into quitting the game and picking up an Astrovan soon lol. Na, honestly thanks everyone.

[gotspins13]

hmmm then sounds like you should be fine, that owner is going to get BIGGGGGG fine haha hopefully atleast, gotta keep 240's on the streets=]

[MongolPup]

Well if the automotive gods wanted it totaled, thank god you weren't in the car when it happened.

The drift missile doesn't sound like too bad of an idea, when life gives you lemons right?

[mxexux]

Not to sound cold hearted or anything but why is everybody keep talking about "I hope they catch that guy." Its not like your gonna get anything from that person anyways. And sure it sounds cool that you're going to beat that guy for what he did, but come on just forget about that guy. I truly feel for you man (I've had 2 S14s totaled by people hitting them) but one can only look forward. Thankfully you have insurance that will give you something (not much though) and you weren't hurt. Don't give up on "the game." You'll get back what you lost in one way or another.

[rb25crazy]

how come the bimmer has like no damages aside from a flat tire and your car is like wow just everywhere damaged. that really sucks man! hopefully it all works out and you get a nice hefty amt from the insurance assuming you have full coverage or they can blame it on someone to get you paid.

[monkeyslide17]

damn that sucks. sorry for the lose.

[DALAZ_68]

how come the bimmer has like no damages aside from a flat tire and your car is like wow just everywhere damaged. that really sucks man! hopefully it all works out and you get a nice hefty amt from the insurance assuming you have full coverage or they can blame it on someone to get you paid.

Euro metal > JDM metal ... ive seen an E30 hit a 240 before, E30 could still drive, the 240 not so lucky...

GL with the car, i cant see pics at work hence i cant respond like the others...

[s13.dark1]

kind of make me think twice about parking on the street sucks guy

[Row]

sorry to hear about your loss S13Ricky, i think we met before. what street was this on?I know mpk is notorious for having car accidents. I'm gonna make sure to park my car in the driveway from now on.

[s13_ricky]

sorry to hear about your loss S13Ricky, i think we met before. what street was this on?I know mpk is notorious for having car accidents. I'm gonna make sure to park my car in the driveway from now on.

It was on Mcpherrin. It has happened once with 3 cars being hit in one night. But it just so happen that this night I decided to park outside. It was just weird to wake up and seeing the neighbors out and looking at my car. I thought they were admiring it too LOL. They were, but for another reason. I'll post up pictures of some internal damage later today.

[don_bagz]

have the cops do like finger printing on the bmw.. haha

[dmax_silvia_s13]

Your lucky the guy never drove away like this car. Then youde have no idea who did it!
YouTube - Crazy Driver (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsiR6B9jb94&feature=related)

[hapa_s13]

good luck man..just gotta get up twice as strong!...and have a serious hate for bimmers!

[Flicktitty]

man thats fucked up! they hit that wheel HARD.

[s13_ricky]

Here I am Trying to move the car.
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[karl wasabi]

Wow. That really sucks. I hope you find the guy. Any updates from the police?

[cc4usmc]

Your lucky the guy never drove away like this car. Then youde have no idea who did it!


All you'd have to do is follow the trail lol.

[HungryHank]

damn ricky should of told me what happened when we were at jackmans house doing his FMIC's

I had no idea. dizzam

[jzepol1985]

it looks like he did you a favor. None the less sorry for your loss

[Rapier46]

Unless he burned the car..they'll find it...just like yours..it would have done extreme damage to his too. probably barely made it outta there.

[Jaketenpointo]

Unless he burned the car..they'll find it...just like yours..it would have done extreme damage to his too. probably barely made it outta there.


Its right in front of his.... look at the pics.

[udon!]

sorry man... that sucks! i cant imagine that happening to me.

[s13_ricky]

damn ricky should of told me what happened when we were at jackmans house doing his FMIC's

I had no idea. dizzam

Yea, didn't want to mention it. It's tragic and heartbreaking. That's why I had to roll passenger.

it looks like he did you a favor. None the less sorry for your loss

I hope its more of a favor than to just sabotage me. So far its working. Been car-less asking for rides.

sorry man... that sucks! i cant imagine that happening to me.

I never did also, that's why I parked outside that night. :Ownedd:

[HyperTek]

welcome to life.. ive had a econovan hit my 240 and take off and i chased him with rear quarter panel cutting into the tire.. the law favors these guys, the guy could be standing next to a burned house with a match in his hand and they still wont find out.. lol

They had the decency to park the bmw by the curb lmao
Tell me they had locked the doors on the bmw? it had to be the owner lol

you could probably use the plate numbers and look it up at the dmv, i remember hearing you can do that in a situation like this i think.. show em a police report and say u would like the info

[cemtoes]

you could probably use the plate numbers and look it up at the dmv, i remember hearing you can do that in a situation like this i think.. show em a police report and say u would like the info
Or you can pay $9.99 on the internet and look up the plate, it costs but it works.

I'm lucky that nobody hit my car when I had to park it on the streets but every now and then I'd go out to my car and find a bent up coat hanger on the ground :rolleyes:

[s13_ricky]

There is no more justice around here. The insurance is not giving me any hope. They told me that worst case scenario is that the registered owner of the car that hit me might not have insurance, and if he doesn't, there's not much more I can do. This is crap dude. They're telling me that I can be uninsured and commit a hit and run and get away with it.

[ByeByeSti]

There is no more justice around here. The insurance is not giving me any hope. They told me that worst case scenario is that the registered owner of the car that hit me might not have insurance, and if he doesn't, there's not much more I can do. This is crap dude. They're telling me that I can be uninsured and commit a hit and run and get away with it.


i knowwhat you mean man, someone who apparently is pissed at me i guess broke into my shop and chopped every line, hose, and wire under my hood while i was gone on vacation.. and insurance isnt doing anything, and neither did the local cops.. they said all finger prints were smudged.. only thing that helps is that theres alot of locals from 240sxone.com that are all so willing to help me out and give me a hand with fixing my car again. im sure living in cali you have built up some friends by now that could source you some new parts etc real easy and cheap if not free. its the worst feeling cuz its all most of us have. 80% of us dont have houses or anything yet so we dump our hard earned money into our cars cuz we enjoy doing it and love the outcome, then something like this comes along and we all are heartbroken and ripshit that someone could do this shit. i feel your pain man no doubt

[reccakun08]

Damn that sucks dude. At least you weren't in the car when this had happen. You can always start over. Goodluck.

i was wondering how you knew it was a bmw while reading the post but found out it was abandoned not too far away. i did expect more damage on the bmw.

[s13_ricky]

i knowwhat you mean man, someone who apparently is pissed at me i guess broke into my shop and chopped every line, hose, and wire under my hood while i was gone on vacation.. and insurance isnt doing anything, and neither did the local cops.. they said all finger prints were smudged.. only thing that helps is that theres alot of locals from 240sxone.com that are all so willing to help me out and give me a hand with fixing my car again. im sure living in cali you have built up some friends by now that could source you some new parts etc real easy and cheap if not free. its the worst feeling cuz its all most of us have. 80% of us dont have houses or anything yet so we dump our hard earned money into our cars cuz we enjoy doing it and love the outcome, then something like this comes along and we all are heartbroken and ripshit that someone could do this shit. i feel your pain man no doubt

Yeah this is horrible. Too bad Batman isn't here to help me out. I just graduated, no job, and no money and about 25k in debt from school. Might have to hold off on this project for a while. This is totally wack. I don't wanna say life sux, if anything, the justice system sux.

[BoostSlideWayz]

He didnt stop for your car but he stopped for the stop sign ??

[s13_ricky]

He parked his car and ran. The insurance suspects that the driver is not the registered owner. They say that the drive might have been a friend or an excluded driver. Never the less they tell me to wait 3 weeks to see if they can do anything about it.

[mrflip69]

Insurance might not be able to do shit, but you can always take him to court. Fuck insurance for being so useless when you need them the most.

[Addicted2Kouki]

Here I am Trying to move the car.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHDL6wfe38)
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toe is way off, so you are basically dragging the tire.
thats why it was hard.

good luck man.

thats fuckin horrible.
i say go with the drift missle idea.



collect on the insurance, if you cant...
taking his ass to court seems like a good idea.

or both.

[s14_mike]

dont worry ricky ill helpu fix it,looking at the footage though i think you could have made it to the shop!

[blueshark123]

u can always sue the owner of the car thats what i will do f getting screwed

[r6_240sx]

There is no more justice around here. The insurance is not giving me any hope. They told me that worst case scenario is that the registered owner of the car that hit me might not have insurance, and if he doesn't, there's not much more I can do. This is crap dude. They're telling me that I can be uninsured and commit a hit and run and get away with it.Unfortunately this is very true.

That's why they have the option to add "Uninsured motorist coverage" when we get liability.

If the owner does admit he did it and doesn't have insurance you have the right to take them to small claims court. If you win the case, you're legally entitled to that money, but now the problem you have facing is if the they even have the money to pay for the judgment (which is most likely the case since they don't even have insurance). That itself is a whole 'nother mess.

If the owner claims its stolen. Well damn, you're pretty much screwed, unless you can find some valid proof that they did it (or whoever drove their car).

Good luck man, don't give up.

[s13tilldeath*]

dude that sucks.....

i dont really have anything else to say other than that sucks.....

[s13_ricky]

I've decided to fix everything to at least make it drivable. Keep all the invoices of how much I spent on fixing it. Then also get an estimate on how much it will cost for the body damage. I will send both the invoices to him and ask him to cover the cost of the damages. The only thing is that I don't want to threaten the person. I don't know how to put it. "Here is how much it cost me to get the car running, this is also how much it will cost me to fix the body. I'm asking you to please cover the charges or I'll have to take extensive measures." Something like that? What do you guys think? I had to do it this way since insurance is no help. They are taking forever and giving me the runaround. All they have done is sent out a letter to the registered owner, which I think he will just ignore it. =(

[gotspins13]

I've decided to fix everything to at least make it drivable. Keep all the invoices of how much I spent on fixing it. Then also get an estimate on how much it will cost for the body damage. I will send both the invoices to him and ask him to cover the cost of the damages. The only thing is that I don't want to threaten the person. I don't know how to put it. "Here is how much it cost me to get the car running, this is also how much it will cost me to fix the body. I'm asking you to please cover the charges or I'll have to take extensive measures." Something like that? What do you guys think? I had to do it this way since insurance is no help. They are taking forever and giving me the runaround. All they have done is sent out a letter to the registered owner, which I think he will just ignore it. =(

haha i say fuck it and say that but with out the please, he has to cover that! ignore insurance take his ass to court and you will most likely win the case and he will have to pay you for it all, start making your case and get all the invoices and such and have a good case going, i know ALOT about law enforcement and these kinds of deals and the easiest way to get pait is to take it to court, take pics of every little detail possible and get him to look like to worst person to ever breath haha i would had done this a long time ago if i were you bud

[s13_ricky]

Insurance seems to be so useless if I you don't get full coverage. Should I start talking to someone about the small claims before I get the invoices?

[gotspins13]

ya do that then go to your local macco or somewhere expensive haha and get a quote on the fix and have all those papers ready, then i say take a trip to your court house talk to someone there about getting a case to be heard and go from there,
but ya if its not full coverage most theyre going to do is tell you sorry haha, insurance companies mostly want the money if its not full coverage or unless someone is really hurt or dead? theyre jerksss

[didderson]

What insurance company do you have? Please let us know which one to stay away from!
Sorry about your car, I had my Sentra backed into by an amish/mennonite lady in a HUGE chevy suburban. Women+cars is bad, women and large cars is a whole other story.
At least it was only a sentra, yet its the b13 :(

[devnull]

Not to sound cold hearted or anything but why is everybody keep talking about "I hope they catch that guy." Its not like your gonna get anything from that person anyways. And sure it sounds cool that you're going to beat that guy for what he did, but come on just forget about that guy. I truly feel for you man (I've had 2 S14s totaled by people hitting them) but one can only look forward. Thankfully you have insurance that will give you something (not much though) and you weren't hurt. Don't give up on "the game." You'll get back what you lost in one way or another.

One can hope that criminals receive punishment for their actions. Even if you don't get reparations for a loss, the feeling of loss can be healed when the system punishes the person who wronged you. Just because you've lost all hope for justice doesn't mean the OP has to.

[s13_ricky]

What insurance company do you have? Please let us know which one to stay away from!
Sorry about your car, I had my Sentra backed into by an amish/mennonite lady in a HUGE chevy suburban. Women+cars is bad, women and large cars is a whole other story.
At least it was only a sentra, yet its the b13 :(

I have AAA, but it seems like they won't do much for you unless you have full coverage. My mom's Grand Caravan was also involved in a hit and run but was repaired within a week and no addition to our premium. But my s13 is hit and all I have is liability and I'm going on a month already, now I'm dishing out the money to get it fixed.

One can hope that criminals receive punishment for their actions. Even if you don't get reparations for a loss, the feeling of loss can be healed when the system punishes the person who wronged you. Just because you've lost all hope for justice doesn't mean the OP has to.

Yea at this point, I kind of just want to press charges up the ying yang. Even if pressing charges doesn't get me reparations I just want him to be responsible for his actions, or at least learn to be in the future.

[zenki.life]

hey keep us updated i wanna know what happens, its like a soap opera. the dumbass leaves the car......... priceless haha :duh:

[s13Carlo]

damn that sucks, wanna sell me your 2 good wheels

[HungryHank]

yo ricky if you need parts or help with your 13 hit me up or have mike call me

[s13_ricky]

Here is s14_mike taking my car to the shop. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqkypTyM2jQ)


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[s14_mike]

the vid makes me look like im going super fast im only going 5 mph

[s13_ricky]

My car is running again, even though the subframe is a little bent it seems to run better than ever. Now I'm not sure if I want to send an invoice for the body damage to the culprit. Seems like its going to be a butt load.

[s13_ricky]

I want to take him to a small claims. If I add the body damage it totals close to $10,000. Small claims in CA only go up to $7,500. I've sent him a letter asking for the amount it costs to get the car running. If he doesn't pay up then I'll take him to small claims for $7,500. A local investigator has tried to reach him but he has not want to meet up in person, he has only spoken on the phone. The owner says that his car was stolen, but the investigator does not believe him and is still going to find proof that he was the driver. We still do not know if he has insurance or not.