Wheels a rubbin

[opponheimer]

I have 17x10.5's up front.. I'm having bad issues with wheels rubbing the fender tubs. Anyone have a good method of detecting the problem spots fast? I plan on finding (if i can) some chalk spray paint and spraying the whole fender well on driver and passenger side. Then taking the car out for a spin to find out exactly where the wheels are rubbing... Then of course bang the unchalked areas out like hell with a hammer.

Any other methods recommended besides trying to be Kewl and build fender tubs?

[s14unimog]

you should mention offsets.... I look for the spots that look like a tire has rubbed against it...but that's just me

[s13dan]

I take it you mean the tires are rubbing?
Pics or your lieing.
And a good fix is tubbing the wheel wells.

[opponheimer]

http://www.bizlocker.com/cars/rb/mini-P1000018.JPG


http://www.bizlocker.com/cars/rb/mini-P1000013.JPG

I sooo don't want to have to tub the wheel wells, I like having the s14 fusebox where it is, Its rubbing in small places I'm sure, just gotta bash em out....

[ZX88]

holy fuck! id say try a smaller tire. but you look like your already running a stretch.

[s14unimog]

WOW dude, you need over fenders or smaller wheels.

[punxva]

he isnt hitting the fenders themselves but the wheel wells, i'd chalk it, then when you find it, go to town with a hammer, that's what i did on my s13 worked like a charm, or you can tub it which you said you don't want to

[DreamN]

overfenders would be the way to go imo.

[dori_sil8t]

cant u see the marks when u take the wheel off?

[punxva]

ok nobody is reading at all, he isnt hitting fenders, and its in the front wheel well, even if he ran over fenders up front it doesn't negate the fact that he's hitting the well.

Edit Not you ;)

[dori_sil8t]

im reading prefectly fine

[DreamN]

oh then nevermind about the overfender option. do s14s have that lip on the chassis that the harness runs along with like the s13s? if so, that seems to always be the culprit. BFH could easily take care of that if you don't care about overall cleanliness.

[opponheimer]

any more positive camber and i'm hitting the fenders... I have 235-40r17s on the front... you really think i should go smaller? Like 225's?


I considered widebody fenders but I don't want to get a kit, was not sure how the zenkei looked with widebody and no kit. Also, I was a tad worried the 17's would look way too small for the widebody fenders.

I don't like the camber setting I'm at right now, its too radical. I want to *try* pulling the fronts then the rear more to get the camber closer to 0deg.. Any advice for pulling the fronts i have access to an eastwood fender roller/puller

[s13silady]

take front wheels off... clean the shit out of your fender tubs.. put wheels back on.. do some spirited driving. check to see where it rubs.. take a big fucking hammer and pound the shit out of the spots.

as for the fronts, pulling them would be a bitch because they are too thin for that amount of stress to be put on them.. im sure its been done. but it still would be a PITA.. HEAT GUN AND A SHIT LOAD OF PATIENCE.

[bo2o]

you never mention offset.

hammer away and get a pic of your tub. and see where it at? i just use spray paint and see where the tire eats it at.

[opponheimer]

you never mention offset.

hammer away and get a pic of your tub. and see where it at? i just use spray paint and see where the tire eats it at.


I might spot it with some white spray paint, then paint it black when done...


oh yeah, sorry:

front: 17x10.5 -4
rear: 17x11.5 +6

[s14unimog]

ok nobody is reading at all, he isnt hitting fenders, and its in the front wheel well, even if he ran over fenders up front it doesn't negate the fact that he's hitting the well.


WE UNDERSTAND, but look at those wheels, he's hitting b/c the offset is ridiculous. I'm sure if he had the wheels closer to 0, then he wouldn't be having this issue; hence larger fenders...

[opponheimer]

You guys think I should attempt pulling stock fenders? Will they get wavy like the rears? I really do want to keep stock body, and I dislike flares. It'd be nice to see some pulled stock s14 fenders (fronts) if anyone has any pics.

[PoorMans180SX]

You can pull them nicely, it just takes patience. Do it.

Oh, and you don't want 0* camber. Bad for handling. About 2-3* is actually ideal.

Rolled fenders, 18x10+18 with 275/40:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/gsracer/Projectbacktobasics/IMG_6785.jpg

[opponheimer]

nice... did that ripple?? I dont want 0 deg just closer to it :) you mean negative 2-3 deg right?

[INeedNewTires]

yea -2 or -3 is good for front camber, what about your caster? tire size is good for the wheel, you wont find a 225/40 only /45 so your 235 is better. consider raising it up a bit? (i know, curse the words! but seriously) are you drifting or just grip/daily? reason i ask is because i'm wondering if you'll ever need to go full lock? if so your probably going to have some serious problems. check your caster and report in

[lflkajfj12123]

white spray paint where you THINK its rubbing

go drive make it rub

come back see where the paint has rubbed off

then take big fucking hammmer and goto town

[PoorMans180SX]

nice... did that ripple?? I dont want 0 deg just closer to it :) you mean negative 2-3 deg right?

Yeah, negative camber.

You just have to use a fender roller, heat the fender up good, and slowly adjust the roller out. Luckily S14 fenders are a lot better than S13 for pulling.

That's gsracers front. He's got some experience in pulling fenders.

[ericcastro]

ok nobody is reading at all, he isnt hitting fenders, and its in the front wheel well, even if he ran over fenders up front it doesn't negate the fact that he's hitting the well.

Edit Not you ;)

We are solving the problem, thats why.
He could tub the car and it would still not be flush and look like a shitty mexi flush.

20mm over fenders
10mm spacers
Adjust camber so your car dont look like a ronald mcdonald mobile.


BTW, those rims just dont work on such a plain car.
looks bad imo.
The car is stockish and mellow, then there are these giant dished chrome rims!
going non crome would help, or a agressice style body kit.
It reminds me of stock honda's with a big wing.
you can't put just one extreme piece together.
If your going stock, then go stockish.
not demon camber drift rims on a daily stock bubble coupe.

But I do LOVE the rims!

[racepar1]

ok nobody is reading at all, he isnt hitting fenders, and its in the front wheel well, even if he ran over fenders up front it doesn't negate the fact that he's hitting the well.

Edit Not you ;)

People are reading, he just has a stupidly retarded amount of camber and it looks whack as fuck. With some overfenders it would look much better. BTW LOL @ the "engineer" liscence plate on a car that obviously has no actual engineering behind it, at least on the suspension.

As for the OP's question, you SHOULD be able to see where the tires are rubbing without any chalk paint. If you can't see it then just chalk it up like you said.

[ericcastro]

^maybe the OP is an engineer?
maybe he's a choo-choo train NG1NEER

He must make money to have some good rims like thems,
cause I am jealous of the rims.
I need them like yesterday

[Ceepo]

Go to town with a hammer :)

[JRas]

front: 17x10.5 -4
rear: 17x11.5 +6

those sizes and offsets are just too extreme honestly :bite:

[racepar1]

^maybe the OP is an engineer?
maybe he's a choo-choo train NG1NEER

He must make money to have some good rims like thems,
cause I am jealous of the rims.
I need them like yesterday

Yes you do! Like 2 months ago!

[opponheimer]

Well the car is a little bit engineered now that it has rb in it with some homemade "quality" mods haha. I am an engineer, I got the plate before i finished up school... The plate gets a lot of double looks from people thinking it says something else... I'm gonna get rid of it when I renew my registration...

Thanks for all the help, i'll post what i do to the car, pics and all. You guys should help me with my Rb25 problems (look for rb25 woes thread on tech talk) thanks!

[ericcastro]

RB25 problems are over my head, lol

And I just thought the plate said engineer too, but now that you mention it, lmao!!
i would change it too ;)

post a follow up when you have fixed the issue.
(i hate when im reading old threads and theres no conclusion)

[opponheimer]

Yeah, I hate when people don't post final solutions on technical stuff, it defeats the purpose of having everything archived for other useers to search through. I need to get the fender roller off my friend if he answers his darn phone.

[JRas]

what is the purpose of the car?

I'm having a hard time not saying, "get new wheels".

you run excessive camber, you rub, you barely run any tire on such a big wheel... it just seems like a waste.

I'd say buy new wheels.. preferable less aggressive. In the range between 9-10.. something that can actually fit on a stock body.

[aoiken3]

you should blur out your license plate while you're at it......

[opponheimer]

what is the purpose of the car?

I'm having a hard time not saying, "get new wheels".

you run excessive camber, you rub, you barely run any tire on such a big wheel... it just seems like a waste.

I'd say buy new wheels.. preferable less aggressive. In the range between 9-10.. something that can actually fit on a stock body.


It doesn't matter what the car is for and what anyone thinks, I'm just discussing rubbing issues that is all.. Getting rid of the wheels is not a valid suggestion because (mainly) i really like these wheels (which i hope is understandable) i really want to try to get these to work you know...

I'm going to pull the fronts tonight, i'll post some pics of the process

[ericcastro]

I think what Jras is trying to say is astetically the car seems a little confused.

For you body style and a daily car, those rims are a little much.

For a slammed drift car, the rims are perfect but the body isnt agressive enough to match the flare of the rims.

Once you get the rubbing fixed, maybe a little rear window spoiler would pull it all together.

Everyone loves your car, and your rims, just not to sure about them together yet ;)

They have really stock looking wide fenders for the front BTW. just cause the amount of roll you will need will be hard, but i wouldnt want you to get rid of those rims.

whats the rims name and brand please?? :D

[godsmack]

i'd hammer the tub and get this fender. Looks good and you can go closer to 0 camber with it.
http://enjukuracing.com/images/s14kouki20mmfront_full.jpg?osCsid=q4cb75b2udjaec44 vjibcf6el2

[soreballz]

So many pussies posting in this thread... Do what a couple other guys suggested: Chalk/white spray paint on the fender wells, drive til it rubs, pull wheels, smash the ever living fuck out of the spots where the paint/chalk is missing.

Easy peasy. Done.


/thead.

[!Zar!]

I'm gathering you aren't trying to drift with those massive wheels?

That big of a setup is hell on PS setups.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Considering how low your car is, just bash anything that you think it might rub on...more than likely, it will rub. The metal 2 ply lip will need to get bashed, wiring harness needs to be pulled as high as possible (your tire will rub the rubber grommet for sure).

[opponheimer]

Hey guys i pulled the fronts.. One fender got fucked completely, it looks alright from 10ft away but It needs replaced before I paint the car. I was able to add 4 positive tick marks on my camber plate (from being all the way negative). Wheels look much better now. I'm doing the same for the rear as well, because of the 10" contact area on the stretched tire, only about 7" was touching the ground lol..

With more posi camber it looks as if the wheels won't rub as bad.. As soon as i finish fabricating my rigid tranny mount I'm gunna take it out on a drive.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Pull the fender as much as you can, then smooth it out with bondo. Its the only way unless you can find a professional sheetmetal person...

[SILVIA_KIDs14.5]

you would be just better off going with something that fits you know like a 17x9.5 with a +25mm offset something like that wouldn't rub at all

[AznDrftr.]

10.5 damn.

I run a 10 -30 so my camber is hella in. But thats just me and i run a 225/35/18 on mine. And i can actually go full lock with my 10's up front.

Thought 10's would be the most to go up front even on a 14 lol. congrats on that.

Pretty much with everyone is sayin, spacers would be good or...

I dont hit anything in case your wondering. Maybe the fender a bit, but no wheel well at all, i bashed that in with a hammer and it works out great.

[opponheimer]

you would be just better off going with something that fits you know like a 17x9.5 with a +25mm offset something like that wouldn't rub at all


damn comments like yours are annoying

[gotspins13]

those sizes and offsets are just too extreme honestly :bite:
i think they equal sex:cj: i love bigg wheels like that