If You Had

[ESmorz]

A Corolla shell and a a 240 parts car at your disposal and say you came across a very good deal for an LT1 motor set w/ 6spd.

Would you scrap plans to put a CA or SR in it and try and get a swap together putting the LT1 in the Corolla and also swapping the Corolla's rear axle out for the S13's goodies?

Would you do it and would it fit?

:w00t:

[aoiken3]

how good is this LT1 deal??

[ESmorz]

~$500 @ 70k miles.

[BustedS13]

if the lt1 was free, i'd do it. if not, meh. lt1's aren't mcRad like lsx

[francogt1]

^ do it.

the T56 is worth more then that

[ESmorz]

if the lt1 was free, i'd do it. if not, meh. lt1's aren't mcRad like lsx

I also don't have 3k atm for the motor alone.

:(

[aoiken3]

forget the LT1. go for the hachi w/ a nissan heart transplant. $500 isnt nearly cheap enough to scrap your project imo

[ThatGuy]

LT1, good upgrade to the classic 327/350 SBC.

No comparison to the sheer awesomeness of the LSx series.

You could, take the good deal on the LT1, slap it on an engine stand, clean it up and make it pretty. Then turn around sell it for some profit. Just a thought.

[iHeartTheTouge]

LT1 would be cool. personally, i think LSx are better GM motors for swaps. we've all seen nissan powered 86's, but not many/any LT powered 86's. do the LT1 or save up for an LSx

[ESmorz]

LT1, good upgrade to the classic 327/350 SBC.

No comparison to the sheer awesomeness of the LSx series.

You could, take the good deal on the LT1, slap it on an engine stand, clean it up and make it pretty. Then turn around sell it for some profit. Just a thought.

This is true and had it come around a couple months ago that's exactly what I would have done.

However, the Corolla has just been sitting for awhile now and no progress has really been made and I am growing quite impatient with the project. So between school and trying to get other stuff done with it I don't know if it's worth the postponement of the real focus for any period of time. Plus, my parents are getting impatient having it just sit there for no apparent reason.

I'm certainly not one to rush anything or cut corners but, I can eat a few hundie sticks as long as it gets this stupid ass thing rolling faster. I'm gonna call a buddy of mine and see if he still has an LSx laying around, chances are slim but I suppose it's worth a shot.

Cheapest ones I can find are in the ~2k region and god only knows what horrors they have seen to be in that price range.

[iHeartTheTouge]

LSX Parts For Sale - LS1TECH (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/lsx-parts-sale-45/)

That is how I found my LS1.

[ESmorz]

That is one hell of a unorganized fs section. :coolugh:

Just went through the first 9 pages and saw nothing but parts, wheels, body stuff, and one motor set with 170,xxx miles on it in Kentucky.

[soreballz]

LT1, good upgrade to the classic 327/350 SBC.

No comparison to the sheer awesomeness of the LSx series.

You could, take the good deal on the LT1, slap it on an engine stand, clean it up and make it pretty. Then turn around sell it for some profit. Just a thought.
Everything he just said x10.

LT1's are good engines. GREAT head design. But, very heavy. Too heavy for a little AE86.

[ESmorz]

I think it weighs in around 780 pounds fully loaded. Too heavy =(. Damn it's iron block!

I'm just sick of 4-bangers. Go big or go home.

I want;

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/cc4usmc/muscles.jpg

(:bowrofl:) you know

[soreballz]

^Sprayed tanned dudes on roids covered in baby oil?

You homo.


:keke:

[ESmorz]

Yup

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/AvrilH8er13/roaids.jpg

[aoiken3]

^^aahahahahahaahaaahahahahaahahahaaaa

[MunsonAuto]

In a Corolla, why go true LS1? Just get a 2001+ 5.3l out of a Silverado, Sierra, Avalanche etc for $850, clean that up, do the 240sx suspension swap into the Corolla while saving for a T56 then put the 5.3l & T56 in the Corolla. That's basically what I did, but with a 240...
5.3l is iron block and aluminum heads and aluminum accessories. I've heard/read that the iron block is only around 80lbs heaver than the all aluminum Ls1 block *shrug*.
Just another idea to make you ponder your many options even more...

[iHeartTheTouge]

I think it weighs in around 780 pounds fully loaded. Too heavy =(. Damn it's iron block!

I'm just sick of 4-bangers. Go big or go home.

I want;

gay

(:bowrofl:) you know

i lost so hard hahah! yeah dude, LStech is unorganized as shit. when i was looking there were a ton of complete LS pullouts. give it some time a good deal will pop up again.

In a Corolla, why go true LS1? Just get a 2001+ 5.3l out of a Silverado, Sierra, Avalanche etc for $850, clean that up, do the 240sx suspension swap into the Corolla while saving for a T56 then put the 5.3l & T56 in the Corolla. That's basically what I did, but with a 240...
5.3l is iron block and aluminum heads and aluminum accessories. I've heard/read that the iron block is only around 80lbs heaver than the all aluminum Ls1 block *shrug*.
Just another idea to make you ponder your many options even more...

yeah, i was reading up on the HybridZ forums, and a 240z with a 5.3 LS truck motor just got totalled, but the motor/drivetrain is intact, no issues.

[ESmorz]

yeah, i was reading up on the HybridZ forums, and a 240z with a 5.3 LS truck motor just got totalled, but the motor/drivetrain is intact, no issues.

Would you mind shooting that guy a pm asking him how much he'd want for it if you get the chance?

That does seem like a pretty viable alternative.

[MunsonAuto]

Yeah, the GM Ls motors are rediculously tough. J.D. Power and associates did a test of the new truck engines back in '02 to find out which engine was the most reliable/trouble free/durable between GM, Ford and Toyota. The 5.3l GM engine had only 9 pph (problems per hundred aka problems per 100 engins produced), while Ford's 4.7l had 13 pph and Toyota's 5.4l had 17 pph. GM wins...
The 5.3l engines like boost too...the LQ4 6.0l engines do even more though.

[MunsonAuto]

If you go the 5.3l route feel free to hit me up with any questions you might have or any snags you run into. Also if you go 5.3l check out www.Ls1truck.com (http://www.Ls1truck.com) There's a lot of good info on swapping the 5.3l and GM LSx engines on there, and the "LiveTech" thing is awesome, a lot of knowledge available at any given time.

[VQMaxFan]

The 5.3l engines like boost too...the LQ4 6.0l engines do even more though.

Mmmm Lq4 w/ a set of worked L92 heads w/ a proper cam would be sick!

+1 on doing a 5.3 build, im contemplating something like that for my next project.

[iHeartTheTouge]

Would you mind shooting that guy a pm asking him how much he'd want for it if you get the chance?

That does seem like a pretty viable alternative.

no problem, the driver hasnt ID'ed himself yet but i posted up asking about it. there were two numbers posted, its either rated at 440hp or 550hp.

[Xbroke_kidX]

ka-t corolla!!
go! haha

[ESmorz]

no problem, the driver hasnt ID'ed himself yet but i posted up asking about it. there were two numbers posted, its either rated at 440hp or 550hp.



Wowzers.

I think that would be overkill but, entirely awesome.

I mean really with a stripped down Corolla I should think a stock 5.3L would be perfectly fine. That's a pretty damn fine power to weight ratio as it is.

ka-t corolla!!
go! haha

That was the original, of orginal plans. I have grown to loathe the KA recently though.

[Xbroke_kidX]

haha yeah i was just recently thinking about trying to build a ka-t corolla but meh...already started on the s13 so im just going to finish it........someday.

[lflkajfj12123]

you don't have enough money for this

expect to pay double for what you think it'll cost you when its all said and done

/thread

[ESmorz]

you don't have enough money for this

expect to pay double for what you think it'll cost you when its all said and done

/thread

I've got stacks like Madolph's got jail time
You don't know where I been or where I be
Got dimes like it's a crime

I do, it would just mean I won't be going to Harvard if I ran over budget.

:rofl:

[gotspins13]

ka-t corolla!!
go! haha

do it that would be super sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
everyone likes something different=]

[ayuaddict]

i dunno man.

if you're gonna fuck around with iron block 350s, being the ricer that i am i would go with the carbd ones just cause they sound really fucking cool. haha.

sound awesomeness per dollar ratio!

man i have no idea what im talking about.

[spoolandslide]

make me an offer on my 240 goodies and ill take em off for ya

[ESmorz]

If memory serves you can use a T-5 transmission on these Chevy v8's correct?

If so I could put together a LM7 motor set for under a grand easily... That's pretty damn enticing and, cheaper than a SR or CA...

[Koopa Troopa]

Resell it. The Corolla will likely take a nose dive once you put that motor under the hood.

[ZilviaKid]

fuck all these ideas!

make a rat rod!

[BustedS13]

do a barrel roll

[MunsonAuto]

GM put a T5 behind the 4.8l Ls truck engine for about a year, i think it was 04 only or something. I guess the lack of demand and the fact that they didn't hold up too well over time made it an easy decision to discontinue them. *shrug*
You CAN put a T5 behind a 5.3l, would I or other GM enthusiasts recommend it...not really. If you plan on beating the car/drifting spend the money for the T56. I started with a 4L60E in my car, then saved and got the T56 and it's the next best decision i've made besides putting the 5.3l in.

[ESmorz]

Resell it. The Corolla will likely take a nose dive once you put that motor under the hood.

I don't care.

It's meant to be destroyed.

[Matej]

Sell everything.

Put 4AG in a Camaro.

Buy Hollister crew neck.

[ESmorz]

Sell everything.

Put 4AG in a Camaro.

Buy Hollister crew neck.

I was a lost man in the desert.

Thank you Moses.

[ESmorz]

GM put a T5 behind the 4.8l Ls truck engine for about a year, i think it was 04 only or something. I guess the lack of demand and the fact that they didn't hold up too well over time made it an easy decision to discontinue them. *shrug*
You CAN put a T5 behind a 5.3l, would I or other GM enthusiasts recommend it...not really. If you plan on beating the car/drifting spend the money for the T56. I started with a 4L60E in my car, then saved and got the T56 and it's the next best decision i've made besides putting the 5.3l in.

Just found a T56 w/ 47,xxx miles on it for $500, guy said he would hold it for me till wed. of next week.

Yay, nay?

[PoorMans180SX]

780 lbs in the front of a corolla?

Yeah....




I don't think that's going to work so well. Not to mention, how the heck do you plan on fitting the transmission?

Not a good idea if you ask me. Everyone in this thread is raving about how awesome it would be, but they forget that your car would have crappy handling, which always ruins a car. The understeer/oversteer properties would be ridiculous.

I guess if you like going fast in a straight line...

[iHeartTheTouge]

yay.

good price. i havent found a trans for under $600 yet. junkyard toldme $1450, fuck that! do it!

[ThatGuy]

I'd grab up that T-56, especially for that price.

If nothing else you can hang on to it until you get a better engine to put in front of it. :D

[ESmorz]

I'd grab up that T-56, especially for that price.

If nothing else you can hang on to it until you get a better engine to put in front of it. :D

Haha that's what I was thinking. Everywhere I look T-56's are never under $1,200.

The LM7 is basically an LS1 it just weighs a few more pounds which sucks but seems like a very viable alternative. Plus, it's cheap as hell.


780 lbs in the front of a corolla?

Yeah....




I don't think that's going to work so well. Not to mention, how the heck do you plan on fitting the transmission?

Not a good idea if you ask me. Everyone in this thread is raving about how awesome it would be, but they forget that your car would have crappy handling, which always ruins a car. The understeer/oversteer properties would be ridiculous.

I guess if you like going fast in a straight line...

The LT1 weighs 780 pounds. The LM7 weighs about 490 pounds and an LS1 weighs about 420 pounds. The tranny... well, lots of fun cutting and all that good stuff.

Doing the math it doesn't really change the weight distribution % of the car that much and, hopefully with the addition of the more beefy S13 rear end it will even it out a bit and allow for better suspension alternatives to dial in the car and adress the changes in weight.

Or I could just bitch out and buy a SR block...

[MunsonAuto]

Get that T56!!! That's a good deal as long as all the syncros are good and it shifts smooth.
There will always be the issue of weight whether or not it will really be that heavy or have that big of a difference...I didn't notice anything DD wise with mine..auto crossing it definitely understeers, but i didn't autocross the car with the stock drivetrain, and i'm running tiny tires, that was on weak struts and springs, no power brace...lots of things that were working against me.
I would say go for it and be one of if not the first to GM LSx swap a corolla!

[iHeartTheTouge]

http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/do-it-or-else.gif

[ESmorz]

You have no idea how bad I want to and how much I am crunching the numbers at this moment.

This car would be insane.

I want.

Right now my biggest worry is how I will mount the engine... Butcher a S13 LSx kit to fit?

[soreballz]

^No. S13 LSx kits are $$$... Make your own.

[ESmorz]

I know, that's the shitty part.

Can't be lazy with a project like this.

[MunsonAuto]

Mounts for S13 are maaaddd easy to make...if you've got a MIG welder, cut-off wheel, and 1/4" mild steel plating, and some black paint (to coat things after welded and sanded and what not) you can make that fit no problem.
Best thing to do is get a set of "generic" LSx style universal "hot-rod" mounts, cut them to the length you need, weld 1/4" plate on, mount to whatever you do for a crossmember, brace motor mounts if necessary, paint..done. There's always the option of motorplates as well.
Let me know if you want a link to those generic mounts, I can find it somewhere. I think they're around $75 or so *shrug*

[ESmorz]

mount to whatever you do for a crossmember

I've also been wondering about this.

I will let you know about the mounts thanks.

[ESmorz]

So I have a tranny on hold but, I am having trouble finding a suitable long block.

Frustrating.

[drftwerks]

i would put lt1 into old monte carlo, like training day monte carlo, or old buick.

[MunsonAuto]

There was a L33 (aluminum block 5.3l, #243 (aka LS6) heads, and there's another goodie on it that i can't remember ATM) on eBay the other day...might still be on there, i'd look into that.

Google Snyders Salvage, they're in Texas and have a decent amount of 5.3L's at reasonable prices and they can ship to your door.

[ESmorz]

Coming through again.

Muchos gracias.

[MunsonAuto]

I can't find the L33 i was originally referring to, but here's a decently priced L33...looks dirty but an hour with some degreaser, a hose and a brush and it'd look purty.
eBay Motors: 2004 Trailblazer Extented 5.3L Engine Motor 53K OEM LKQ (item 190292168438 end time Apr-07-09 12:10:51 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-Trailblazer-Extented-5-3L-Engine-Motor-53K-OEM-LKQ_W0QQitemZ190292168438QQihZ009QQcategoryZ33615Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

I've heard of people having really good luck with LKQ before too. There's a lot of cheap LM4 & LM7 5.3L's on eBay, but I'd prefer to buy one I can either go pick up my self or one from a reputable source ya know?

[ESmorz]

Yeah I would reeeeeally prefer local pickup because I don't use credit cards or paypal. Plus a visual inspection before hand would be nice, but ebay does have better prices.

This seems like a pretty good deal considering it comes with the harness and ecu too. I'm still kind of in the dark about what ecu I would use when switching over to a t56 though.

eBay Motors: GMC Yukon Escalade Tahoe 1500 5.3L 2003 Engine ST2018 (item 160324324810 end time Apr-02-09 13:05:20 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GMC-Yukon-Escalade-Tahoe-1500-5-3L-2003-Engine-ST2018_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a3 Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQ hashZitem160324324810QQitemZ160324324810QQptZMotor sQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

^ It's located about 45 minutes from my house so I'm going to email and see if I could just pick it up.

[MunsonAuto]

You don't need to switch ECU's. All GM Gen. III V8 ECU's are basically stand alone systems.
You just either need to get a program to tune it yourself (HPTuners & EFILive are the most commonly used ones that I know of) or send it to a performance shop that is familiar with these engines. I used Wait4MePerformance to do my ECU tuning and wiring harness trimming, I'm overall pleased with it; I think there is more power to be had out of my setup, but with mail order tunes a tuner can't squeeze every last bit out of it without running it in person ya know?
But Wait4MePerformance does a lot of GM tunes; the other shop I would consider for a mail order tune is Nelson Performance in Texas. I have heard nothing but EXCELLENT reviews from them and people say that their mail order tunes are much better than the contenders (next summer I'll probably try a tune from them).
You should check out www.silviav8forums.com (http://www.silviav8forums.com) there's a lot of good info on there...and check out www.LS1truck.com (http://www.LS1truck.com) as well (NelsonPerf.'s forum :D ), the community on there is insanely good and there is endless amounts of info about LSx swaps on there.

Let me know if you've got any other questions about the swap or what have you.

[ESmorz]

You don't need to switch ECU's. All GM Gen. III V8 ECU's are basically stand alone systems.

Ah well that's good news. I guess I'm behind in the times on more modern ecu's lol.

[MunsonAuto]

Oh, try and find out the mileage on that engine too...I couldn't find it on there.

If you get that engine, make sure you find out exactly what it came out of and if it was a "Flex Fuel" engine or not. Flex Fuel engines have bigger 33lb/hr injectors (regular 5.3l injectors are 24lb/hr) and if you don't know that and have it tuned for the regular 24lb's it will run ridiculously rich and bog up top and have little top end power...speaking from experience here hahaha.

And you'll also need to tune out things like VATS (vehicle anti theft system) and the EVAP crap...if you're on somewhat of a budget I would recommend going through Wait4MePerformance. If i remember correctly it's around $150-175 for a performance tune with free retunes (as long as you own the vehicle) and another $150-175 for wiring harness trimming (it was around $300 for both when i had it done, but their prices might have gon up *shrug*).
If that mileage is 100k or so under that's a decent deal. Two years ago i paid $850 for my 2003 5.3l complete wither everything (ecu, injectors, oil pan to intake, MAF blah blah).

[ESmorz]

Oh, try and find out the mileage on that engine too...I couldn't find it on there.

81k

:naughtyd:

[MunsonAuto]

Sweet...I'd probably jump on that then.

[ESmorz]

I'm going to go look at this weekend now that I have the funds secured.

It has begun.

:boink:

[MunsonAuto]

Epic!! I couldn't find a video of a LSx powered Corolla on youtube....therefore this is bonafide badass...