300zx vs 240sx

[DMC]

Ok let me start off my saying I hate threads that are "which will win a 240 or integra" so i will ask this, I have been told a 240sx is quicker in the 1/4 than a 300zx NA can anyone confirm this? hate to ask such a stupid question thanks tho

[91CRXsiR]

IIRC the N/A Z has the VG30 which is the same engine in the Maxima it puts out 220HP

now assuming this is against a S14 i would say it would be close but i think the the Z would win..

its like pitting a Supra N/A against a Celica.. not a good race.

[Jeff240sx]

Faster than a z31, slower than a z32.
-Jeff

[DMC]

well that sucks, can I borrow your turbo for a day jeff :)

[SupraFreak]

Ok, well the 300z has 220hp NA and the 240sx has 175NA. As for times... the 0-60 for the 300 is 5.5 and the 0-60 for the 240 is 8.0, but the 300 will definitely kill the 240 in high end. As for 1/4 mi-- 13.9 for the 300 and 15.8 for the 240.

[doh boy]

Originally posted by SupraFreak
Ok, well the 300z has 220hp NA and the 240sx has 175NA. As for times... the 0-60 for the 300 is 5.5 and the 0-60 for the 240 is 8.0, but the 300 will definitely kill the 240 in high end. As for 1/4 mi-- 13.9 for the 300 and 15.8 for the 240.


you really got your numbers off, no 240sx ever came with 175hp, and no way in hell does a n/a 300zx run a 13.9 1/4 mile.

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by SupraFreak
Ok, well the 300z has 220hp NA and the 240sx has 175NA. As for times... the 0-60 for the 300 is 5.5 and the 0-60 for the 240 is 8.0, but the 300 will definitely kill the 240 in high end. As for 1/4 mi-- 13.9 for the 300 and 15.8 for the 240.

240sx has 155bhp. And a 13.9 is very optimistic. It's much closer to a 6.6 second 0-60 and a 15.3 second 1/4 mile.
-Jeff

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by DMC
well that sucks, can I borrow your turbo for a day jeff :)

And that's a negative. It's going on my car in 6 days!
-Jeff

[DMC]

haha thanks alot pal

[s13fastback]

i remember that the 200sx se-r is suppose to be faster that nthe 300zx NA .... i remember the guy from the nissan dealer telling me that when they were new (200sx) ... so i suppose the 240 is just as fast at the 200sx se-r but i dont know ....

[RBS14]

the weight per horsepower for the 300 is 28% better than the 240. they also have the same final drive and the z has a better drag coef. The z will win.

[Sixbanger]

I'm sure if I tried hard enough, I could beat my dad's stock z32 NA auto 2+2 with my stock base s14 5speed. Up to 80mph maybe, then the Z will just keep going as i hit my 114hph speed limiter. A 2 seater 5sp hardtop NA z32 should be pretty quick though! I'll go race my dad sometime (at the track!) and I'll get back to you on this one.

[PabloHoney]

NA Z32 Autos are slow, just like NA MkIV Auto Supras are slow (like 16 second quarter mile slow). If it's an auto, you should be able to beat it, if it's a 5-speed, you are gonna have some troubles.

[drift freaq]

a S13 Hatch with a SR will kick a NA 300 x's ass plain and simple. Done it. hehehehhe

[JasonNagra]

Originally posted by drift freaq
a S13 Hatch with a SR will kick a NA 300 x's ass plain and simple. Done it. hehehehhe

Thank you captain obvious. Now how about I kick your ass Mr. SR??? Just kidding Dave. HEHEHEHEHE:D

[smokin240]

Originally posted by RBS14
the weight per horsepower for the 300 is 28% better than the 240. they also have the same final drive and the z has a better drag coef. The z will win.


would you happen to know the drag coefficient of an s14 and/or s13?? ive always wanted to know but nobody else really knew either.

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by smokin240
would you happen to know the drag coefficient of an s14 and/or s13?? ive always wanted to know but nobody else really knew either.

.300 for the s13 and s14 SE trim only. S14 base trim is slightly higher, with a .310.
-Jeff

[fairladyz]

Originally posted by drift freaq
a S13 Hatch with a SR will kick a NA 300 x's ass plain and simple. Done it. hehehehhe
Forget NA's how about stepping up to a big brother??
It's funny how alot of NA Z's talk smack but it TT's that does all the damage.:D

[SilviaDriver]

i for one can say i was smoked by a NA 300zx. i stayed with him for about 1st gear..lost it in 2nd and stayed behind. im not sure if it was Auto or Manual tho. but i lost to about 1.5 cars


fairladyz...i can never get enough of your car. the paint is SO damn perfect.

[Archangel]

Originally posted by Jeff240sx
.300 for the s13 and s14 SE trim only. S14 base trim is slightly higher, with a .310.
-Jeff

what makes the s14 base have a higher drag??

[RBS14]

The wing on the SE lowers the drag coef. most people think it doesn't do anything, but i guess they are wrong.

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by drift freaq
a S13 Hatch with a SR will kick a NA 300 x's ass plain and simple. Done it. hehehehhe

I'm assuming you're talking about when u were driving my car? :D

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by RBS14
The wing on the SE lowers the drag coef. most people think it doesn't do anything, but i guess they are wrong.

No. The wing is 6-8 inches away from the airstream. I've seen videos of a 240sx in a windtunnel. Also, I would have said "all s14's with a wing" since it was an option for base models, rather than bieng more specific with "all s14 SE trims."
It's the front fascia that isn't available as an option that reduces the aerodynamic drag.
-Jeff

[drift freaq]

originally posted by fairlady.....
Forget NA's how about stepping up to a big brother??
It's funny how alot of NA Z's talk smack but it TT's that does all the damage.
hahahha ya, but see, one is, this is my own personal experience, two I know a lot of treated SR's that will just eat TT's alive. You don't want to go there. The 180sx or shall we say S13 hatch is lighter , more nimble, and with a few bolts on to the SR can be screwed up to over 300 hp on stock internals. That will kick a stock TT's butt. Sorry its true. Now given that I am sure yours is not stock.
Though there is relevance to the fact that the 180sx(S13 hatch) was the most popular sports car ever sold in Japan. It bears witness to the fact that a 180sx is a real sports car and the Fairlady 300 TT is a GT car.
Techinically they should not be being compared . period!
If you were gonna go a closer fact for fact comparision the car to select would be the original Fairlady 240. It was a 2350 Lb car in 170 to mid 72 , In mid 72 it became a 2750 Lb car due to federal crash safety standards.
P.S. this is manufacture plate weights and vehicle weight scales proven. It is not some(read SCCA) autocrossers race car stastics that are posted on the net and very misleading. These are real street car weights.
do not go there with me . I was driving Fairladys when most of you were in diapers.


yes Yoshi , that was your car I spanked the 300 in . :D

[fairladyz]

LOL, yes indeed Sr powered S13's can be made really Quick.
But on the freeway it's a totally different story- from 60mph on to 175 or 180mph my Z hauls some serious ass. Top end is where TTZ's shine and there aren't many cars can touch that-(Only car I can think of is TT MKIV) What does your firend run in 1/4 mile??? MORE IMPORTANTLY trap speed??
I'm curious as to know how fast your friend's car is.
Yes I agree that 180SX aren't even as same level as Z32.
And you are right, my car is definetly not stock.:D

SilviaDriver- Thanks, I appreciate your compliment.
http://members.webspacesales.com/fairladyz/Dsc00265.jpg

[Archangel]

Originally posted by Jeff240sx
No. The wing is 6-8 inches away from the airstream. I've seen videos of a 240sx in a windtunnel. Also, I would have said "all s14's with a wing" since it was an option for base models, rather than bieng more specific with "all s14 SE trims."
It's the front fascia that isn't available as an option that reduces the aerodynamic drag.
-Jeff
sorry to keep bringing this up, as it has nothing to do with racing a z, but i wasn't aware of any differences in the fascia between the trim lines, unless you mean the factory lip on the front bumper. I'm just a little unclear on this. if you could please elaborate Jeff.

On second thought, this is question is better left out of this thread. I'll PM you Jeff, and you can PM me back. Thx.

[CoasTek240]

Originally posted by drift freaq
I was driving Fairladys when most of you were in diapers.
dude.. how old are you.. b/c i'm 18.. i stopped wearing diapers like 17 years ago... you've been driving fiarladies since then?

[logo20]

there isn't much too say. a na z32 runs low 15's, a 240sx can run from high 15's to 17 depending on the year. I don't know if you looking for a car but if you want a faster car get a 300zx tt. the 240 has some advantages though: easier car to work on, better gas mileage, cheaper.

[DMC]

wow that one guy had his #'s all wrong i wish my car had 175 hp

[blaqsilvia]

I've raced a 300zx non turbo and I beat it 2 outta 3 times by just half a car length- need to have a perfect launch to beat it... but yea-- I did it :D his was stick -- and was stock...

[drifterX87]

Yeah but doesnt the suspension of the Z fugglemuck it on the start? All hail the highway king!

Mike

[jnshk]

Originally posted by drifterX87
Yeah but doesnt the suspension of the Z fugglemuck it on the start? All hail the highway king!

Mike

To some extent, it does. It's an anti-squat suspension, which is good for road racing, but bad for drag racing.

I have an NA Z32 2+2, and honestly I think that it would be pretty close between them <B>stock for stock</B>.
If the Z driver got a good launch, I am pretty sure that he would have it in the bag, but if he "fugglemuck"s it too much he may just have too much ground to regain.
With an NA Z, it is easy to give it too much and set the rear end hopping, or give it too little and bog down.

[POPEYE]

Originally posted by fairladyz
- from 60mph on to 175 or 180mph my Z hauls some serious ass. Top end is where TTZ's shine and there aren't many cars can touch that-(Only car I can think of is TT MKIV)


I duno...I have had a couple of good races with some TT MKIV in my FD, we went from about 65mph to about 130mph...and I had a good car lendth on him....I have yet to race a TT Z32 on the freeway yet....:D ....cant wait till the day;)

[fairladyz]

It bears witness to the fact that a 180sx is a real sports car and the Fairlady 300 TT is a GT car.
I'm sorry but 180sx is not a real sports car. Ferrari is a sports car, lambo is a sports car, porsche 911 TT is a sports car....get the point? Since when a real sports car came in back seats?? or how about a 4 banger engine??So what if it has a turbo?? it is still a 4 banger. I know I'll probably get flamed but this is just my opinion and yeah Z32's are not sports car either.
180SX is a real sports car??You really need a reality check.:rolleyes:

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by fairladyz
I'm sorry but 180sx is not a real sports car. Ferrari is a sports car, lambo is a sports car, porsche 911 TT is a sports car....get the point? Since when a real sports car came in back seats?? or how about a 4 banger engine??So what if it has a turbo?? it is still a 4 banger. I know I'll probably get flamed but this is just my opinion and yeah Z32's are not sports car either.
180SX is a real sports car??You really need a reality check.:rolleyes:


You're completely right.
you WILL be flamed hard ;)

I think you're missing the point between a GT car and a sports car and supercar, all the exotics you mentioned are supercars... sports cars are the low end of the performance spectrum. What do insurance companies list these cars as, mine says "2-door sport h/b". Calling a any high end Ferrari or lambo a sports car is greatly understating the car, and i'm sure if you talked any supercar owner and called it a "sports car", chances are they'll be a lil offended.

edit: out of curiosity, what do you drive?

[slideways240]

As for 1/4 mi-- 13.9 for the 300
optimistic is right road and track puts the Z32TT down the track at 14.4, but hey maybe the weight advantage from not haveing those heavy turbos on there makes for a quicker time down the track:confused:
road and track (http://www.300zx.cl/ga/300zx/images/rtt10.jpg)

[fairladyz]

Originally posted by Yoshi
You're completely right.
you WILL be flamed hard ;)

I think you're missing the point between a GT car and a sports car and supercar, all the exotics you mentioned are supercars... sports cars are the low end of the performance spectrum. What do insurance companies list these cars as, mine says "2-door sport h/b". Calling a any high end Ferrari or lambo a sports car is greatly understating the car, and i'm sure if you talked any supercar owner and called it a "sports car", chances are they'll be a lil offended.

edit: out of curiosity, what do you drive?
:) True, but I still consider those cars "True Sports cars"
Oh, I drive this red POS;)

http://members.webspacesales.com/fairladyz/Dsc00260.jpg
http://members.webspacesales.com/fairladyz/Dsc00198.jpg

[Jim96SC2]

I thought that Z32's and SR's have the same gearing? Wouldn't that mean that the Z32 and the S13 have the same top end? Whats with the "Highway King" title?

[fairladyz]

Originally posted by Jim96SC2
I thought that Z32's and SR's have the same gearing? Wouldn't that mean that the Z32 and the S13 have the same top end? Whats with the "Highway King" title?
TTZ and S13 having same topend??? LMFAO, I can't wait to tell my buddies about this one.:D

[transient]

The Z32 probably has a torque curve that's better suited to top end speed than the SR. Even if gearing is the same, that doesn't mean that power at the same speed is.

[Jim96SC2]

Originally posted by fairladyz
TTZ and S13 having same topend??? LMFAO, I can't wait to tell my buddies about this one.:D

Sorry, I meant top speed. Cause YOU never make a typo.:rolleyes:

[fairladyz]

Originally posted by Jim96SC2
Sorry, I meant top speed. Cause YOU never make a typo.:rolleyes:
Whatever, buddy. Z has more TQ, bigger displacement, and better CD than S13, so therefore a TTZ will rape an S13 in a top speed run-sorry, better stick to drifting.

[transient]

Power only makes a difference to a certain point dude. If you've got enough power to take it to red line in top gear in both cars, the top speed will be the same :rolleyes:

[fairladyz]

Originally posted by transient
Power only makes a difference to a certain point dude.
You must be smoking some good stuff- Power only makes a difference to a certain point???
We are talking about top speed here, every HP and TQ counts.
High horsepower car wins the freeway race, welcome to the real world.

Keep arguing, I'm done with this nonsence thread.

Have a good day.:)

[logo20]

nice car fairladyz. do you also have a 240sx? I can't wait until I get a 300zx.
about the sr-300zx, the 300zx is in a higher category. the 300zx should be compare to a supra, not a sr.

[transient]

Originally posted by fairladyz
You must be smoking some good stuff- Power only makes a difference to a certain point???
We are talking about top speed here, every HP and TQ counts.
High horsepower car wins the freeway race, welcome to the real world.

Keep arguing, I'm done with this nonsence thread.

Have a good day.:)

Well, we know how his math grades were.

Think about it dude. If you pull your car to redline in top gear, you're not going any faster. I don't give a damn if you have 10,000HP. Why do you think it's so hard to break the top land speed records? You honestly think they can't get cars with more power out there? Give me a break :o

[drift freaq]

qoute fairlady...
(I'm sorry but 180sx is not a real sports car. Ferrari is a sports car, lambo is a sports car, porsche 911 TT is a sports car....get the point? Since when a real sports car came in back seats?? or how about a 4 banger engine??So what if it has a turbo?? it is still a 4 banger. I know I'll probably get flamed but this is just my opinion and yeah Z32's are not sports car either.
180SX is a real sports car??You really need a reality check.)

ah ignorance is bliss!!!!. let me see how old are? I guess the fact that the MGB was a 4 banger rules it out of being a sports car? Or the Fairlady roadster . Or a Lotus Super Seven? Or a TVR Tasmin? hmmmm want me to list more ignorant punk ass? Yes I called you a ignorant punk ass. Learn your history about sports cars in general before you go spouting your ****. Your the one that needs the reality check, your a disgrace to all who own Nissans.
Wow a Jaguar XKE is not a sports car I guess because it has small rear seats? WRong!!! The 180SX does indeed fall into the catagory of sports cars!! entry level!! Any true sports car expert will not disagree. Take your ignorance and spout it somewhere else!

P.S. you walk up to any Lamborghini owner and tell him is car is a sports he would A. kick your stupid ass down the street. B. Laugh in your face and C. tell his you Super Car is gonna shove your puny 300 down your throat .

[moose]

This is a true indeed, but he meant that a 180sx and all the other really small - cavalier type- cars aren't sports cars because they aren't.

I know my 240 ins't a sports car no matter how hard I try. Most people on this board have turbo-charged their cars and that just means they have a small car on steroids. Basically that's all they are, Integra's, civics, 240sx's, sunfire's, cavalier's, MX6's, prelude's, ect., are not sports cars. They are sporty cars.
Why do you think people modify them for? Because they think if it sounds really great, they can rip around like they own a sports car.

The really exotic sports cars like the ones mentioned above, are sports cars. They are because companies that make high end cars made those for people who don't want something that that'll go 200+ Mph.

Basically it comes down to this:

American Muscle (V8): Barracuda, Camaro, Trans Am, etc.

Japanese (small sporty cars): Integra, Civic, Prelude, 180sx, 240sx etc.

** With the exception of the 6 cyl models. (Supra, 350Z, 300ZX etc.)
Economical: Accord, echo, hybrid etc.

High End Sports Cars: Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Bentley etc.

**With the exception of the new 2004 WRX STI and the Lancer EVO -- these are sports cars.

There you go. If you like go ahead and comment, but I'm sorry if you disagree.

[transient]

I don't know where to begin to reply to that post. I disagree with nearly everything that was said.

For one thing, I hate the fact that you're classifying a lot of front drive cars with rear drive cars. The difference in handling alone has to create a class separation. Next, you think people only modify 240sx's because they sound cool and that "if it sounds really great, they can rip around like they own a sports car?" That has to be, literally, one of the stupidest things i've ever read on this forum. My eventual goal is to modify my car to be #1) one of the most unique cars in my area, and #2) a car with amazing performance including very impressive handling, and a decent amount of power.
Oh, and you want to place the WRX STI and Lancer Evo in the same class as Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, and Ferarris? Give me a break. They're excellent cars, but they're bred from rally cars and are VERY different from the afore mentioned exotics.

Did you actually think about this before you posted?

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by transient
I don't know where to begin to reply to that post. I disagree with nearly everything that was said.

For one thing, I hate the fact that you're classifying a lot of front drive cars with rear drive cars. The difference in handling alone has to create a class separation. Next, you think people only modify 240sx's because they sound cool and that "if it sounds really great, they can rip around like they own a sports car?" That has to be, literally, one of the stupidest things i've ever read on this forum. My eventual goal is to modify my car to be #1) one of the most unique cars in my area, and #2) a car with amazing performance including very impressive handling, and a decent amount of power.
Oh, and you want to place the WRX STI and Lancer Evo in the same class as Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, and Ferarris? Give me a break. They're excellent cars, but they're bred from rally cars and are VERY different from the afore mentioned exotics.

Did you actually think about this before you posted?

I'm glad you responded before I got a chance to.
The asinine level of Moose's post is almost beyond my comprehension... Moose do you just troll for fun? I've watched practically every thread you've posted in go down in flames, what's the deal?

I just wanted to add one thing, otherwise this would just turn into a flame post.

the 180sx/s13 silvia is considered the all-around best sports car platform in japanese history. Period.

So I guess moose disagrees with an entire nation?

no, I take it back. I can't let the stupidity of that post go...
WRX STi's and LanEvo's are truly amazing cars, I love them both, BUT to say that the belong with SUPERCARS, which is what we're differentiating here, is ridiculous.

Why are people having such a problem telling the difference tween a supercar and a sports car?! It's not that difficult! You can practically use a car's dollar value as a determining factor (I said practically).

You seem to be saying that no 4cylinder can be a "sports car"... someone correct me if i'm wrong, but MX-6's are 6 cylinders no? so they're sports cars? too bad I've spanked them with my stock slushbox 240. What about the MX-3 and NX2000's? 6cylinders... sports cars? hmm...

also what transient said about FF vs FR vs AWD c'mon now, there's huge differences here argh, the stupidity must be contagious, cuz I can't continue this post.... it's just too stupid of an arguement... one of those instances where someone says something so infathomable that you're just at a loss for words. I'm sure this whole thread is going to be shot to hell very shortly, so I'll just close out.

edit: I almost forgot... where would you classify a RB20 powered skyline? how about a N/A 300zx? FC? FD?

[jnshk]

well, it seems like the topic of the post has changed, but as far as what a sports car is it really comes down to individual definition. just like opinions and assholes, everyone has one and they are all slightly different.

here are my personal loose definitions:

sports car - relatively small with a good power to weight ratio and above average handling characteristics. often 4 or 6 cylinders. traditionally this would be a RWD car, but modern AWD can certainly be included. the true soul of a sports car is ruined by automatic transmissions.

super car - very powerful with superb handling. often powered by 8 cylinder or larger engines. RWD or AWD.

muscle car - big power, big torque, big patches of rubber left on the pavement. often larger cars with impressive straightline acceleration but leave something to be desired in cornering stability. generally RWD.

GT car - good power to weight ratio and good handling, but larger than a sports car and often with some added luxury features. not necessarily RWD or AWD, but preferably.

of course, the lines between these cars are sometimes tough to distiguish.

just my personal take on it.

[DMC]

today i thot i could pass this 2002 corvette(True American Sportscar).......then the guy hit the accelerator........he flew away and i was so amazed i didnt realize i was at 7200 rpms.......I hope i didnt hurt my slow baby.

Anyway I would prefer to have a 240 fastback stock with a 300zx engine twin turbo with upgraded turbos that can **** up some of those corvettes, mustang cobras, 300zx tt and most other cars on the street than a ferrari that can do so.

Also v6's arent taht great i mean they dont have the high revs of a 4 banger or the high hp of a v8. Unlike a straight six in the skyline which from your definitions is simply a (sports car) that can beat lots of those super cars(when hooked up) and why are you going to insult engines that come in s13s&s14s when your on a forum full of people with those engines that can **** u up

[CoasTek240]

why doesnt every one just cry!~...boo hoo
anyways.. i totally agree with everything yoshi and transient have said.. one thing though. you said fwd cars shoule not be classified as sports cars. i disagree (with no intent to flame)
the honda integra and prelude are most definately sports cars in every aspect and just b/c they are fwd means nothing. i too dislike fwd, but tuned properly they can compete on any level they choose whether it be auto-x, or club racing. ask the boys on honda-tech.
wait...they can't drift. hahaha lol
dont even mention tray sliding or i will honestly find where you live and inflict serious bodily pain on you :D

[transient]

Originally posted by CoasTek240
[SIZE=1]one thing though. you said fwd cars shoule not be classified as sports cars. i disagree (with no intent to flame)


Well, I didn't mean that they weren't necessarily sports cars. I was really just pointing out that a RWD car and a FWD car shouldn't be put in the same class period as their handling characteristics are so different.

[fairladyz]

Originally posted by drift freaq
[
ah ignorance is bliss!!!!. let me see how old are? I guess the fact that the MGB was a 4 banger rules it out of being a sports car? Or the Fairlady roadster . Or a Lotus Super Seven? Or a TVR Tasmin? hmmmm want me to list more ignorant punk ass? Yes I called you a ignorant punk ass. Learn your history about sports cars in general before you go spouting your ****. Your the one that needs the reality check, your a disgrace to all who own Nissans.
Wow a Jaguar XKE is not a sports car I guess because it has small rear seats? WRong!!! The 180SX does indeed fall into the catagory of sports cars!! entry level!! Any true sports car expert will not disagree. Take your ignorance and spout it somewhere else!

P.S. you walk up to any Lamborghini owner and tell him is car is a sports he would A. kick your stupid ass down the street. B. Laugh in your face and C. tell his you Super Car is gonna shove your puny 300 down your throat . [/B]

Wow, so much hate.:) There's no reason for you to call me names, just relax. Aren't you taking this too seriously?? This is just my opinon, there's no reason to get all upset and start a cheap personal attack.:)
So you think I'm a diagrace to a whole Nissan community just because you did not liked some of my comments?? Fine, I'm a disgrace to all you guys- Sue me.
Would you like to know how old I am?? I would like to tell you but it's really none of your business. ;)
You call me that I'm ignorant but you are the real ignorant one with all the name calling and trash talking.
If you are still upset or frustarated take it to pm- There's no need to start a personal attack here.
Jay

[sanmiam]

I love how FairladyZ rescinds of his previous comments. He came on here acting all big, and when he got shot down he throws his tail between his legs and cries not to be ripped on. As for your age, I can guess right now - 17 or younger. As for car classifications I think there should be two categories, fun, and boring. Simplifies everything. 240sx - fun, Z28 - not fun, GSR - fun (any car that revs to 9 grand has to be fun) any honda that is non-VTEC - not so fun. Hopefully this makes everyone happy and simplifies the entire arguement.

EDIT: Oh, and the 300ZX has always been classified as a GT car, along with the supra and 3000GT, so if you want to be tecnical, the 300 is not even a sports car.

[moose]

yeah alright boys and girls most of you.
I guess you didn't understand my astericks there at the bottom:

**With the exception of the new 2004 WRX STI and the Lancer EVO -- these are sports cars.
-- that's just at the bottom. Not in the High End sports cars section. Geez, do you think a $30,000 dollar car is considered high end? Defiently not.

You know something? We were talking about engine size before, and that's what I was talking about. I wasn't frigin talking about drivetrain, only engine size man.
So if we were to link all 4 cyl. together, we would get:

Small (fine you can have it ) Sports cars.

It still doesn't make them any faster and make you feel any better though to say you have a sports car. :D

[PabloHoney]

Originally posted by Yoshi

You seem to be saying that no 4cylinder can be a "sports car"... someone correct me if i'm wrong, but MX-6's are 6 cylinders no? so they're sports cars? too bad I've spanked them with my stock slushbox 240. What about the MX-3 and NX2000's? 6cylinders... sports cars? hmm...


NX2000s were never powered by a 6 cylinder of any kinda. Hence the Nissan number naming scheme of 2000 (2.0L SR20DE). Now, you also say that you beat down a V-6 MX-6 with an auto 240. Not to burst your bubble, but it would have HAD to been an auto V-6 for one. How did you know it was a V-6? You shouldn't have seen the back end if you were beating it :)

Originally posted by transient
Think about it dude. If you pull your car to redline in top gear, you're not going any faster. I don't give a damn if you have 10,000HP. Why do you think it's so hard to break the top land speed records? You honestly think they can't get cars with more power out there? Give me a break :o

Gearing AND hp are the two things that ultimetely determine top speed. Cd and frontal area tell you how aerodynamic your car is, which in turn tells you how much horsepower you need to get to X mph. Having Y amount of horsepower (assume peak) at 6000rpm doesn't do you any good if you aren't geared to reach peak power at top speed. So, in reality, if you have 10,000 HP, and you have the proper gears, you will go faster than the same car with 200 hp (duh, I'm sure you knew that all ready, just clarifying).

[fairladyz]

Originally posted by sanmiam
I love how FairladyZ rescinds of his previous comments. He came on here acting all big, and when he got shot down he throws his tail between his legs and cries not to be ripped on.
:rolleyes:

As for your age, I can guess right now - 17 or younger.
Actually I'm only 14- What's your point?


I think there should be two categories, fun, and boring.
Exactly, your car=boring.


so if you want to be tecnical, the 300 is not even a sports car.
And this is a comment from a 4 banger owner.:rolleyes:

[fairladyz]

BTW, you 240 guys need some good reality check.

1.your car is not a sports car.
2.your car is slow(KA24DE)
3.It is still a 4 banger (SR20DET included)
4.It's got no top speed because once again it's a 4 banger
5.Only thing 240 is good for "dorifto":rolleyes:

I've owned a S13 when I was in High School- It was a alright car, nothing too special.
240 is a joke, no one take your car seriously. You 240 guys are becoming more arrogant and cocky but when it comes down to it you guys don't have anything to back it up. Put your almighty sr20, it doesn't impress me, it's still a 4 banger and it's still a 240SX- lower end of Nissan sports coupe lines.
Say whatever you want but just remebet that no one really give a damn about your -4 degrees front camber.:rolleyes: LOL
I'm outta here.

Reality - The #1 weapon against zilvia.net members

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by PabloHoney
NX2000s were never powered by a 6 cylinder of any kinda. Hence the Nissan number naming scheme of 2000 (2.0L SR20DE). Now, you also say that you beat down a V-6 MX-6 with an auto 240. Not to burst your bubble, but it would have HAD to been an auto V-6 for one. How did you know it was a V-6? You shouldn't have seen the back end if you were beating it :)


Hmm... I thought the NX2000 was one of those late 80's early 90's subcompacts with tiny displacement 6cylinders in them, my bad there I guess... coulda sworn tho :/

On the MX6, I yes it was a 6cyl, and yes it was an auto, it was my friend's car so knowing what it had was the easy part ;P

[PabloHoney]

Originally posted by Yoshi
Hmm... I thought the NX2000 was one of those late 80's early 90's subcompacts with tiny displacement 6cylinders in them, my bad there I guess... coulda sworn tho :/

On the MX6, I yes it was a 6cyl, and yes it was an auto, it was my friend's car so knowing what it had was the easy part ;P

V6 MX-6's and PGTs lose something like 2 seconds in the 1/4 goin from a manual to an auto. Try racing a 5-speed sometime, you'll think differently about them, they're not as slow as people think.

[drifterX87]

240 is a joke, no one take your car seriously. I think some one already said this, but wasnt the Silvia/180 voted the favorite in all Japan? I think youre the one being a little cockey. Z32 is a better car than the 240, I'm with you on that. But either way, youre a dickhead :P

Mike

[Jim96SC2]

I dunno. I love the 300ZX styling and all, BUT when it cmes to the track my money is on the 240sx. Then again I've always prefered the light cars that can have big arse tires.

[drifterX87]

Im not putting the 240 down, but look at the history in racing. It dominated on the track.

Mike

[Yoshi]

Originally posted by PabloHoney
V6 MX-6's and PGTs lose something like 2 seconds in the 1/4 goin from a manual to an auto. Try racing a 5-speed sometime, you'll think differently about them, they're not as slow as people think.

are you serious? I don't see how a slushbox can be THAT bad as to sap 2 entire seconds... I think you've gotta be exaggerating at least a little bit :)

I should try a 5spd, but it won't be the same race anyhow since I'm SR powered now ;)


oh, and FairladyZ, I think you have some valid point, obviously a little jaded, but what can you expect? For that same reason is why you got some of the responses you did. This forum is 99% 240 owners, you can't say things like, "nobody takes 240's seriously" and expect people not to harbor some animosity towared you, c'mon now... it's just trolling now... not unlike someone else's post earlier.

[fairladyz]

Originally posted by Yoshi

oh, and FairladyZ, I think you have some valid point, obviously a little jaded, but what can you expect? For that same reason is why you got some of the responses you did. This forum is 99% 240 owners, you can't say things like, "nobody takes 240's seriously" and expect people not to harbor some animosity towared you, c'mon now... it's just trolling now... not unlike someone else's post earlier.

Yes I'm aware that this forum is for 240 owners. I've been on this forum for some now now because I wanted to learn more about 240's.
Perhaps some of my comments were unnecessary and ignorant- I'll admit that, and I apolize.
The thing that really boils my blood is the recent attitudes from alot of 240 owners. When I goto meets there's always an idiot 240 owners think they have the fastest ride on the planet because now they dropped an SR in it. Read my previous post- I said that SR powered S13 can be made quick.
I get hitup by many dumbass idiot 240 drivers who think their cars are faster and better than my Z. And maybe there are some 240's that can run better than 11.8 on street tires 100 percent street legal- Those cars get my sincere respect.
Like I said before I've owned a S13 and two of my friends have KA-T and SR20 motor in their cars so I know how fun those cars drive.
But it is absurd to say that SR will have the same topend as VG30DETT(Trust me they are highway monsters) ;)
I have alot of respect for some member on this forum-you guys know who you are. It's amazing how people get upset if they hear something negative about their cars.
There are more to life than just cars, remember that.
Regards.

[moose]

Yeah I agree with fairladyz. You think your car is so totally awesome because you dropped an Sr20 into it. It makes me sick. That's all I hear. "Oh I dropped an SR20 into it" or "Oh you've got an SR20!"

Give me a break. What do they make, 230hp? Big deal man, it's a small 4 banger that is well, simply a 4 banger.

It almost makes it sound like everyone here has an SR20, but no that's not true. You put so much money into your cars, that it makes me sick. 20 g's into a 240 is way too much man.

I think I'm gonna buy a camaro, just because they are powerful, they look damn good, they drive good and handle descently, and well they are good cars.

Oh and people at events do think they now the score. They think they have the coolest car on the planent because they have an SR20 and they car JDM man, cool stuff. I mean that's cool cand everything, but how do you get rings for an SR20? It'd probably be hard.

Moose

[transient]

Ok, moose, I probably shouldn't say this being a moderator, but SHUT THE **** UP. All you ****ing do is troll this board, bash our cars and talk out your ass. **** off and go find yourself some other forum to annoy the hell out of.

[PabloHoney]

Originally posted by Yoshi
are you serious? I don't see how a slushbox can be THAT bad as to sap 2 entire seconds... I think you've gotta be exaggerating at least a little bit :)

I should try a 5spd, but it won't be the same race anyhow since I'm SR powered now ;)


oh, and FairladyZ, I think you have some valid point, obviously a little jaded, but what can you expect? For that same reason is why you got some of the responses you did. This forum is 99% 240 owners, you can't say things like, "nobody takes 240's seriously" and expect people not to harbor some animosity towared you, c'mon now... it's just trolling now... not unlike someone else's post earlier.

Well now that you are a little faster, it wouldn't be much a race, no :) I went and double checked, it's more like they lose 1.5 seconds, rather than 2, my bad. Still, losing that much time is just horrid. I'd really like to see a good side by side test of a stock S14 and a stock second gen Probe GT. I think it would be a really good match up. Anyway, onward with the rest of your arguements guys :rolleyes:

[DMC]

all I know is that my car is what I wanted that I could afford and I love it and I will stick uup for it if joked on,

[MorganS13]

don't be cocky, your cars not THAT fast...

LOCK IT!

[turbo240sx]

yeah 240's are 4 bangers, some of us have SR'S some have KA-T's
i think its more impresive to get 400 hp out of a 2.0 or a 2.4 than a v6 or a small block v8. yeah your z is fast but ours are too. your came fast as **** we built ours and made it that way. now im sure a few people will agree with me that its more impressive to get high hp numbers on our cars and having the satisfaction we did it, and it didnt come from the factory like that. im not trying to be a jerk but seriously. dont be a dick.

[misnomer]

So that's why I've ignored this thread beyond the first page, got off topic in to two pages of trolling and flames. Let it die folks, there's nothing more to get out of this one.

[drift freaq]

qoute Fairlady
(Wow, so much hate. There's no reason for you to call me names, just relax. Aren't you taking this too seriously?? This is just my opinon, there's no reason to get all upset and start a cheap personal attack.
So you think I'm a diagrace to a whole Nissan community just because you did not liked some of my comments?? Fine, I'm a disgrace to all you guys- Sue me.
Would you like to know how old I am?? I would like to tell you but it's really none of your business.
You call me that I'm ignorant but you are the real ignorant one with all the name calling and trash talking.
If you are still upset or frustarated take it to pm- There's no need to start a personal attack here.
Jay)

well Jay , you spout of you tell all of us we are full of **** and then you expect someone to treat you nice?. Hahahaha , you just failed public relations 101 and got exactly what you deserved. think I had hate for you ? No. Do I think your ignorant ? Yes. I have been playing with sport cars for 24 years . Can you say that? Was I trash talking hardly . Was I calling a spade a spade ? Yes. its funny you would like to tell me your age but its none of my business? sounds like BS to me. Just calling them as I see them son .
You keep on hitting us with this comment of the 180sx is a four banger so its not a sports car. Funny thing is you pretty much would have to rule out Porsches, Alfa Romeo's , Early BMW roadsters, Triumphs. MG's, AC Bristols, Sunbeam Alpines, early TVR's, Lotus elites, Lotus elans, Lotus Super Sevens, plus a few other Lotusesand several other cars I have not mentioned. Damn these were all 4 bangers and they were sports cars. Funny thing is you completely ignored this very point that I made in my last post. Hmmmmm can't admit we are wrong eh . Lose the ego you might learn something.
Seems like everytime someone proves you wrong you resort to the same old song . Telling us we are full of it we don't know jack and 4 bangers and 180sx 's are not sports cars. Your arguments have no facts my friend . I have made facts everytime as so have others here. Yet you ignore them and spout. You expect not to get flamed ? grow up. Are you new to the internet? So I assume you will call this a personal attack it really is not . Its me trying to tell you that you need to open your eyes and shut your mouth. You might learn something.
I am probably wasting my time on you though . You see I grew with sports cars . I know what they are. I don't drive a GT car in thinking because its a fast highway machine its a sports car. I drove and owned the Original 240 1972 your 300 is a vastly different machine from that car and that car was a Sports car. Whoever taught you that a sports is not a sports car unless it has a 6 cylinder or a 8 cylinder under the hood does not know the concept of a sports car. Number of cylinders has nothing to do with the concept . Never has. Never will. thats why we see sports cars with 4 's ,6' and 8's . Oh yeah I forgot . If it has a 4 banger its not a sports car. Buddy you never lived in the 60's or the 70's if you believe that line of BS.

I am done I have made my point .