Beware: Chp gonna get you

[vvtisupra]

Just a heads up. I caught wind of activity similar to when DRAG was trying to hit hard when they first were developed.

For those of you who are new to DRAG they are a state sponsor'd programs where "special" trained officers say they are fighting street racing by profiling street racers and pulling them over and giving them vehicle inspections.

I guess since economy has hit a rut state funded departments are trying to look important again and by doing so are trying to crack down hard in efforts to try to make themselves look like they are carrying their own weight.

I've already heard of such incidents occurring in City of Industry and Santa Barbara. Its not so much the actual action of them pulling you over, its the way they try to get you to confess or give them reasonable doubt that shows characteristics of DRAG training.

For Example: Pulling you over for a bulb out in your liscense plate then telling you to pop your hood.

Or stickers on your windshield and telling you to pop your hood

or modified exhaust and then pop your hood

Dim taillights etc

Sometimes they ask you like 4-5 times asking if you have nitrous.


any insignificant infractions will lead to you popping your hood and in most incidence when you pop the hood and remain in your car, they will ask you to step out and open the hood for them.

Its time to do a bulb check or bring out the dailies cuz in the next month or so when Arnold is trying to see which organizations they can cut I bet they are gonna try to hit hard, cuz noone wants to be out of a job.



Most people would say. Aw my car is legal therefore I don't care. You'll say that until they give you a ref ticket for resonable doubt, which is fine if your car passes inspection but until your car goes through ref you're not suppose to drive your car. Its just another hassel for even being legal. When my Supra was thrown in I passed with no problems even with my Greddy 50 state legal cat back , but they made me bring it infront of a judge and do my plee of not guilty and showed them the proof and even though the case was thrown out I had to still pay a 20 dollar court fee even though my car passed with no problems.


So yah this is just my warning to you.

[SUPERSTAR]

Thanks for the heads up.

Remember guys you DON'T have to pop your hood, and if they threaten with towing it, let them tow it. Most of the time they will not get a search warrant to pop your hood. Then you go pay the impound and tow and drive on home.

This may not work if your out there being a ricer, racing or drifting on streets.

But yes, double check all your lights and make sure those work right.


Great post again.

[blasting_speed]

So...... you don't have to pop your hood??? How much does impound and towing cost???

[vvtisupra]

120 a day i think

But the point is trying not to give them reasonable doubt to pull you over in the first place.

[palmdale_mob]

I really thought you have to pop your hood no matter what

[pete_07]

this is the part you use you're Fourth Amendment searching you're car just for a sticker

[DUFFM4N]

uhm this has been going on for years already....






"nothing new to see here gentlemen...move along" :cops:

[firm tofu]

120 a day i think

But the point is trying not to give them reasonable doubt to pull you over in the first place.

60 or 75 for "tow fee" then 45 a day. if its in there for more than 3 days they start lein sale paperwork.

[Jdm.I.Am]

Thanks for the heads up.

Remember guys you DON'T have to pop your hood, and if they threaten with towing it, let them tow it. Most of the time they will not get a search warrant to pop your hood. Then you go pay the impound and tow and drive on home.

This may not work if your out there being a ricer, racing or drifting on streets.

But yes, double check all your lights and make sure those work right.


Great post again.
my friend is CHP, if you have flashy aftermarket parts showing, AKA catback, fmic, etc.. it is probable cause in the state of cali for them to pop youre hood, be a dick and they can impound and ref youre ass for as little as 3 aftermarket NON Carb leagal mods.

*edit* and if you have a NON legal motor swap.. kiss your ride good bye for 30days if the cop wants to fuck you over.

got my civic taken for 30days "being in a know street racing location" and having a USDM integ motor in it.. prob cause.. stupid apexi catback.

[bardabe]

last time i checked if your exhaust is within the legal limit, it's not a probable cause. and the cop can't search inside of your car for probable causes (gauges etc) without your permission. multiple times my friend who is on S2K forums have been pulled over, threatened and harassed but never popped their hoods because the cops failed to get a search warrant. Turbo S2K's at that with FMIC and all. they get their exhaust signed off at the Local CHP office and are on their way.

[worangejuice]

I was harrassed like a mofo in my neighborhood and all of L.A. when I had my Silvia. I ended up ripping off my tint, cause that was reason enough. I had missed a court date and had a taillight out, got pulled over and almost arrested!!! I was handcuffed and in the back of a squad car. I was a gentleman all through out the whole incident and they let me go with a "no drive till you get it taken care of" which I did cause I was just so happy to not get my car towed and taken downtown.
So the point in case is always be POLITE and a GENTLEMAN. Kill them with kindness. Cops are human too. They just have to be hardnosed assholes for all the hardnosed assholes they have to deal with.
They usually give you attitude, but if you're polite and answer all questions with yes sir, no sir, they will be a lot nicer and just give you a ticket or tell you to get the hell out of there.
jeez, but yeah California cops are up there in being difficult.
It's beyond ridiculous on how much we have to put up with here.
"oh shit my taillight's out....aaggghhhhh!!!!1"
crap.
be POLITE 240 guys.
Just pop you're hoods. Get "legal" stickers made or something.hehe

[YoungGun]

There's no way of the cops knowing if the exhaust is under the 95db limit or whatever it is now when they have you pulled over.

Its just a hassle like the op said and you still have to pay the court fees.

[vvtisupra]

uhm this has been going on for years already....






"nothing new to see here gentlemen...move along" :cops:


Correct its nothing new but if you noticed there are waves of when they hit hard the most and I'm warning of the next wave. They are desperate enough. For example, the car scene is really small in santa barbara everyone knows everyone. Past decade its been imports only. Recent surge includes American cars as well.

[Flipzide]

They've been doing this for years......

[DUFFM4N]

Correct its nothing new but if you noticed there are waves of when they hit hard the most and I'm warning of the next wave. They are desperate enough. For example, the car scene is really small in santa barbara everyone knows everyone. Past decade its been imports only. Recent surge includes American cars as well.

no...shit just happens, sometimes more frequent than others....doesnt mean there's a sudden "wave"...just getting caught up thats all

[SUPERSTAR]

It's a wave and I know. I am police undercover. Shhhhhhh.

Don't be assholes guys, just a warning or friendly reminder to get yo shit straight.

[jdm538]

thanks for the warning..

[vvtisupra]

no...shit just happens, sometimes more frequent than others....doesnt mean there's a sudden "wave"...just getting caught up thats all


more frequent occurrences and a null can signify a wave. I have yet to be caught up in the current "wave" since i don't drive my track car on the street. I am just noticing the characteristics of another "wave" and would like to notify the rest of you.

If you want to sound all pro about it go be my guest. I'm just letting others know who are not as knowledgable as you.

[DUFFM4N]

how am i sounding all pro about it? just stating that its nothing new...obviously i wasnt the only one who thought the same...

no need to get sand in ur vagina

[azndoc]

That's why I don't drive my 240 on the street no mo.

Its just not even worth it.

Plus it sucks on the street.

[MisawaJason]

you guys get hosed so badly in Cali. I would honestly hate to have to put up with that kind of shit

[Vatche]

the information is always good to hear.

but all the shit they can pull you over for should constantly be checked ;P

licence plate lights, tailights so on so forth, keep yourself on top of that shit.

since i daily my car ive actually thought about adding a resonator, but i havent had the heart to do it.

a car like mine, you live with the risks though.

[blasting_speed]

you guys get hosed so badly in Cali. I would honestly hate to have to put up with that kind of shit


How is it in Japan??? I know that they're brutal against speeding putting cameras and stuff.

[handinpants]

Thanks for the heads up.

Remember guys you DON'T have to pop your hood, and if they threaten with towing it, let them tow it. Most of the time they will not get a search warrant to pop your hood. Then you go pay the impound and tow and drive on home.

This may not work if your out there being a ricer, racing or drifting on streets.

But yes, double check all your lights and make sure those work right.


Great post again.

actually this is not true, as stated in the DMV handbook, and on V.C. Section 2806 - Vehicle and Equipment Inspection (http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d02/vc2806.htm) , pertaining to emmisions equipment:
Vehicle and Equipment Inspection

2806. Any regularly employed and salaried police officer or deputy sheriff, or any reserve police officer or reserve deputy sheriff listed in Section 830.6 of the Penal Code, having reasonable cause to believe that any vehicle or combination of vehicles is not equipped as required by this code or is in any unsafe condition as to endanger any person, may require the driver to stop and submit the vehicle or combination of vehicles to an inspection and those tests as may be appropriate to determine the safety to persons and compliance with the code.

Amended Sec. 5, Ch. 292, Stats. 2003. Effective January 1, 2004


so if you live in california, you're F*cked, and just pray that they don't ask to pop your hood.:bigok:

[palmdale_mob]

^^ Sucks to hear but makes sense
They don't need search warrants to pop your hood its not your house

[aoiken3]

thats hella ghey....

[karl wasabi]

It's a wave and I know. I am police undercover. Shhhhhhh.

Don't be assholes guys, just a warning or friendly reminder to get yo shit straight.

Ernie has pictures to prove it too. Aviators and all...:keke:

[redsuns3838]

umm hoods locked, no warrant, no pop. they can ask, but u can tell them no. till they get a warrant. either way its a pain in the ass. which is why i don't drive mine on the street anymore either.

[Slammed Assassin]

just to add some info.. my homie got pulled over for a stupid drift charm on the tow hook last night. these cops look for any small reason to pull you over and pop your hood.

[karl wasabi]

actually this is not true, as stated in the DMV handbook, and on V.C. Section 2806 - Vehicle and Equipment Inspection (http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d02/vc2806.htm) , pertaining to emmisions equipment:
Vehicle and Equipment Inspection

2806. Any regularly employed and salaried police officer or deputy sheriff, or any reserve police officer or reserve deputy sheriff listed in Section 830.6 of the Penal Code, having reasonable cause to believe that any vehicle or combination of vehicles is not equipped as required by this code or is in any unsafe condition as to endanger any person, may require the driver to stop and submit the vehicle or combination of vehicles to an inspection and those tests as may be appropriate to determine the safety to persons and compliance with the code.

Amended Sec. 5, Ch. 292, Stats. 2003. Effective January 1, 2004


so if you live in california, you're F*cked, and just pray that they don't ask to pop your hood.:bigok:

umm hoods locked, no warrant, no pop. they can ask, but u can tell them no. till they get a warrant. either way its a pain in the ass. which is why i don't drive mine on the street anymore either.

Umm...didn't you read this post? They can pop your hood if they feel that your car doesn't meet the proper safety codes that they have.

[WISH ONE]

I have been refereed twice, yes, its lame, but honestly I would much rather pay the $300 dollar fee the judge assigned for failing ref, then to try and be a badass and tell the cops "No, get a warrant" and have my car impounded and pay all those fees... yeah fuck that.

I am still dealing with the second one, I have two dailies and I got refereed taking my car home from the body shop one night.

As of now I am just taking it easy, asking for all the extensions i can and just hoping the judges final call isnt more than last time.

Out of state plates is next if possible, honestly I just want to sell both of my dailies and buy a nice big truck and a trailer and avoid this.

They dont have any way of proving that you have mods, or an illegal engine swap on the spot, that is the reason for the ref.

for the record and Once again this has been covered soo many times.
Squidd had a long a thorough contribution in another thread, not to sure if he was the OP. read that.

[blownmotor]

In nor cal is kinda like that but they are in civillian looking cars like 02 Impalas and Ford focus'. One had a MDX, so it's getting pretty bad no matter which part of cali you live unless you go to the sticks.

[!Zar!]

I was pulled over by a 96 pontiac grand am...

Honestly though, why was this thread made?

We already know this.

And for the person who said don't pop your hood, bad idea.

You don't want to piss them off even more.

Once they tow your car, they can search it at the impound iirc.

Not to mention you'll have to pay tow/impound fee's.

[Nismoknightska-t]

ref ticket is 400$ or less..

who cares.. most of us have 10k+ into are cars.. whats 400$ more..

[steve shadows]

Gentlemen I would expect the opposite to the contrary .

You will see the state budget death due to over spending in the way of social welfare, medical and other entitlement programs which have been paying out to non-citizens as well as business leaving the state having a massive impact on taxable revenue. Taxable revenue to spending ratio has actually gone up but spending has increased more than even revenue has increased sooo

I beg to argue that in fact the opposite will happen, you will actually see less attention to blue sky device enforcement and a deeper cleansing of high cost special operations and police teams.

You will see more concentration on crowd control, basic policing and regulation of trade vehicles where the real money is in tickets and enforcement

Ill betcha better days are on the horizon for the state in the way of personal car enthusiast freedoms due tot his stupid budget crunch - hopefully the whole damn govenment will implode and there will be no socail services or police etc - then maybe the state can get back to being the strongest economy in the union again.

[SUPERSTAR]

I have gotten pulled over many times and have asked to search my car or want me to pop my hood. I have NEVER said yes.

Well, it's simple I don't act like a smart ass or a know it all. I ask why they feel my car should be searched?
Do I look like a person that should be searched or was the reason he/she pulled me over is related to the search? (this is touchy because it can go towards profiling)


If they answer yes, they can not pop your hood unless they tell you what or why they feel they should pop your hood "flames coming from exhaust", then ur fucked.

If they say they have reason to believe that your car is modified, then say NO and they will tow your car and won't get a chance to pop your hood.

If they say that they feel car is unsafe, ask why they feel that way and reason with them and sound concerned as if you will fix it. Ask in detail what he means.

Most of the time they will not bother with tow as they have to file paperwork.

I've had my car towed because I would not pop my hood and went back to file a complaint to LB police department against officer.
I was pulled over for not having a front plate on my car soon after my swap. Once he saw my FMIC he asked me if I can pop my hood.
After questions, he was upset and threaten me with towing car.

I said fine, he towed it and I explained what I was gonna do next day.

The reason he towed my car was because he needed to get search warrant to pop my hood to prove that my car had an elegal turbo or supercharger.

He was not able to get warrant and I paid 135.00 to towyard and 30.00 to Police for release. I filed a complaint on him for harrasing me and wanting to search my car because he felt my car was modified, after pulling me over for something completly different.
Police get training to look for certain things, but in a court of law, they are not experts and you can prove that they are not. That Police officer must show proof in court (if you request) that he is an expert in emission and can determine by just looking at your FMIC that your car will not pass emissions inspection with out an actual test.

They will throw that shit out if done correctly with out disrespect to the law.
In court with out proof in writing is just he said/she said B.S.


This is not my first rodeo guys and don't ever think that the Officer you are dealing with knows the law more than you do. Like I said they are trained for certain things and not the whole law book. Half the time they write the wrong infraction code on your ticket....lol


In my Lowrider days I would fight the tickets for unsafe vehicle (modified suspension and non-factory welds on chassis) and I would bring in a certified welder explaining that HE was an expert and that the welds actualy made car stronger and safer than the factory spot welds and mass production parts.

Any who, I am sure we can all come up laws that we found on the internet, bottom line is don't give them a reason to pull you over.

I have yet to be pulled over because they saw my FMIC....lol
It just wouldn't fly in court, they give you ref tickets because THEY are experts and have testings that prove your shit is not safe or emission legal. Once that paper is handed over, so is your ass.

You can refuse to POP your HOOD or have your car SEARCHED with out probable cause. (racing,drifting,5" exhaust pipe with flames coming out, mad backfire)

They are not experts, otherwise they just FAIL your ass right there on the SPOT.

Gawd, I can't believe I typed like a Castro long post. lol

[GSXRJJordan]

^^^ Great info.

Correct, they need probable cause, but not being disrespectful goes a LONG way. And getting your car towed SUCKS, but its not the end of the world unless they try and keep it for 30 days... then it gets expensive, and you're better off paying the modified emissions ticket.

People see my car all the time and ask how the hell I get away with driving it. The short answer is, I don't drive like a jackass, I keep all my paperwork legit (reg current, insurance, clean license), and when/if I do get pulled over, I'm respectful. And I'm white, but that only really helps with other whiteys :) So far, zero tickets in the JefeS14 *knock on wood*.

[nismo racer]

I don't know why everyone is saying "oh this is not new" or "who cares" the OP was just helping you guys out.

There has been an up roar of hood popin incedents here in SB, which I have never heard of my 21 one years of living here. I got pulled over and hood popped for having a sticker in the corner of my windshield another guy got his hood popped and sent to the ref and this is all in two months. There is a 'wave' of po po specifically going after modified cars and finding excuses to get them. Luckily for me here the PD don't know shit about cars and I can get away.

Again the OP was just letting you guys know, take it and be more aware or just DGAF! when it comes downto it....it's your head on the choppin block.

Thanks for the warning Steven

[Shmex]

Glad I moved to knoxville....no smog :) sucks for you guys though.

[soreballz]

...Half the time they write the wrong infraction code on your ticket...

Ain't that the truth. I got a ticket for "modified suspension" one night, which is just a fix it ticket. I went to the police station to get it written off, but they couldn't because the dumbshit officer wrote down the infraction code for MODIFIED EXHAUST. I had to take a day off of work and handle it at the courthouse in front of a judge thanks to a stupid rookie cop.

:down:

[dtc 360RT]

Gawd, I can't believe I typed like a Castro long post. lol

lol....so true.....love you Castro!

then again, just because there is a constitution and laws that state we have "the right", doesn't stop cops from having "probable cause"

funny story from a cop customer of mine....he's driving by a neighborhood...sees a group of guys in the yard drinking 40's..they give him some courtesy and put their 40's behind their backs. and as he's driving away, one yells "fuck you, pig!" he then stopped...reverse.

all the guys ran inside the house, he ran in behind them (door was open) he walked in, there was grandma weighing out pounds of weed...BUSTED. yes or no?

technically because he was not "invited" inside the house...that weed evidence can be dismissed in a court of law.

he then pulls out "probable cause" out his ass.....he says he heard a loud noise, guys running....he thinks someone is in trouble..which gives him "probably cause" to go in the house without permission.

sure, it's a chicken shit move, but just goes to show you...yes you can deny a field sobriety test, yes you can deny searches, popping of hood, trunk, glove box etc etc....you have the RIGHT. but they can still take your shit. resistance is a form of hiding something from them that will translate into their probable cause.

smartest thing to do, don't give them a reason.

damn...i just pulled a Castro long post myself...lol

[GSXRJJordan]

^^^ Not exactly.

Open door (unlatched) = doesn't need probable cause. Just like if a cop sees you on the side of the road with your hood up, he can write you for modified emissions - no need for probable cause, because your hood was already "open" - same thing if a cop sees drugs or weapons in your car through the window, he doesn't need anything to search you because it's in "plain view"/aka open.

The reason cops need probable cause or a warrant to look under your hood or pop your trunk because those areas are locked aka not in plain view.

[dtc 360RT]

^^ true, but he made it seem like he needed permission to go inside a house....is it different by walking into a house,than say, looking through a window of a car while walking by? anyway, who knows. i know what you're getting at, and its true. you leave the 45milli chillin on the passanger seat....i see where you can get in trouble for that.

[MisawaJason]

How is it in Japan??? I know that they're brutal against speeding putting cameras and stuff.

Not bad at all here in northern Japan. We have the JCI (every two year car inspection) and after that, you rip off all the stock parts and put your parts back on. I rocked this exhaust all summer last year and didn't get pulled over once. It's loud as fuck BTW. They dont care, at least up here they dont. As long as you're not doing anything stupid. I'm sure it's way different near Tokyo and Osaka though

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[s14_mike]

I heard that these new so-called task force can ask for your hood to be popped and if one should refuse then they can arrest you on the spot and charge you with a misdemeanor, take your car, impound it and all that other bullshit?

Is this true or am I just trippin? A friend of mine was told this by and officer and then relayed the message to me.
just wondering
thanks
Mike

Oh and on another side note a different friend of mine with a suby, got his car impounded and he had an upgraded turbo so they yanked it off gave the car back to him(without the turbo) and made him pay the labor fees of taking the aftermarket turbo off along with the impound fees as well. All i can say is wow...

[BRAIN_Z33]

I hate the cops!







































When it comes to these situations =(

[soreballz]

Oh and on another side note a different friend of mine with a suby, got his car impounded and he had an upgraded turbo so they yanked it off gave the car back to him(without the turbo) and made him pay the labor fees of taking the aftermarket turbo off along with the impound fees as well. All i can say is wow...
:bs::bs::bs:

I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

[SleepyFuckinD]

Not bad at all here in northern Japan. We have the JCI (every two year car inspection) and after that, you rip off all the stock parts and put your parts back on. I rocked this exhaust all summer last year and didn't get pulled over once. It's loud as fuck BTW. They dont care, at least up here they dont. As long as you're not doing anything stupid. I'm sure it's way different near Tokyo and Osaka though

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They don't care in tokyo...I was stationed at Yokota AB. They don't pull you over if they see the Y character most of the time because they don't wanna go through the hassle of trying to talk to you cuz you don't speak japanese. Only thing you gotta worry about is JCI which as you know makes cali emissions seem like finger painting... Not to mention road tax fucks you in the ass if you have a 300 plate...

[amdnivram]

so from what ive read, be polite. You can either deny the pop and risk getting towed, or popping and getting a ticket. am i right?

[MisawaJason]

They don't care in tokyo...I was stationed at Yokota AB. They don't pull you over if they see the Y character most of the time because they don't wanna go through the hassle of trying to talk to you cuz you don't speak japanese. Only thing you gotta worry about is JCI which as you know makes cali emissions seem like finger painting... Not to mention road tax fucks you in the ass if you have a 300 plate...

yeah, it does seem like having the Y on our plates do help out allot. 19,000 yen for the 300 plate. With the current yen rate it's really gonna suck this year

[miracosta]

lol....so true.....love you Castro!

then again, just because there is a constitution and laws that state we have "the right", doesn't stop cops from having "probable cause"

funny story from a cop customer of mine....he's driving by a neighborhood...sees a group of guys in the yard drinking 40's..they give him some courtesy and put their 40's behind their backs. and as he's driving away, one yells "fuck you, pig!" he then stopped...reverse.

all the guys ran inside the house, he ran in behind them (door was open) he walked in, there was grandma weighing out pounds of weed...BUSTED. yes or no?

technically because he was not "invited" inside the house...that weed evidence can be dismissed in a court of law.

he then pulls out "probable cause" out his ass.....he says he heard a loud noise, guys running....he thinks someone is in trouble..which gives him "probably cause" to go in the house without permission.

sure, it's a chicken shit move, but just goes to show you...yes you can deny a field sobriety test, yes you can deny searches, popping of hood, trunk, glove box etc etc....you have the RIGHT. but they can still take your shit. resistance is a form of hiding something from them that will translate into their probable cause.

smartest thing to do, don't give them a reason.

damn...i just pulled a Castro long post myself...lol

exactly, in college im taking a class called criminal justice and its pretty much good info. probable cause is 51% and its whatever the cop says it is....so if he wants to fuk u over he can , and if u want to risk it go ahead.. for me id rather not risk a daily, my dream, so i will be a bitch and rock ka-t(though its still illegal), and wait till im back in japan,.

[s14_mike]

:bs::bs::bs:

I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

no bs seriously i'll pm u his # u can ask urself lol!!!

[allntrlundrgrnd]

I get jealous when i see all the access to parts and shops and all that jazz you guys out west have.

then i see things like this and 99% of the 'stolen car' threads are in california and i feel better

[240cracker]

Cops can do whatever they want pretty much!!! One time i was in fullerton drifting in the industrial area and blew a tire. I started to change it to a spare when to cops rolled up. They let everyone go but me and as soon as they left they were straight up pushing me back and forth because i was playing dumb saying i bought the car like this. I said no you can't pop my hood. They did it anyways.

After an hour of trying to get me with something they let me go.

TRUE STORY!
Cops were pushing me and we were in a dark industrial area with no1 to witness it. i thought was going to get jumped. I can't prove anything but im telling u they go so far to get u busted.

BOTTOM LINE DENY EVERYTHING (even if they search your car without your permission and pop your hood)

[1five10]

Physically pushing? If that's the case you should've got their name and badge number and report the shit out of them. Then find out if their car was equipped with a camera and see if any surrounding business had surveillance cameras. That's $$$$$$$$$.

You said it yourself, you were in a dark industrial area. You shouldn't have been there in the first place, especially if you were drifting. Cops always have the same patrol area. So they know what goes on and where.

I'm sure someone has called the cops before for the drifting that goes on there. You just happened to be the one that got caught.

Being in a in an area notorious for illegal activity such as drifting (tire marks everywhere) is probable cause, whether you believe it or not. That will be there defense and justification for hassling you. Especially if you were with a group of other guys with lowered and modified cars. That's what "profiling" and "guilt by association" is.

[240cracker]

^^^^

ya phsically pushing

their cars were on the street i was in the parking lot i didnt think about the security cameras. i feel like if i went to court with my image i wouldnt win haha. its a lot of hassle to most likely fail.

[Sil-Abc]

can we keep these threads to only 1. Since I joined, i have seen more than 20 of these threads and its all just repetition.
1) If you have an exhaust, that is probable cause for modified parts
2) If you say NO to a hood pop, your car WILL BE TOWED IF THEY REALLY WANT TO. Not only that, they will tack on every little thing they can find to make the ticket ridiculous.
3) If your car gets towed, dont expect a flatbed so chances are ur car will scrap/bottom out, dings/damages while in transport OR in impound. ALSO while your car is impounded, their is no liability so if they break something or you're missing something, theres nothing u can do
4) Easiest way to get away is be NICE AND POLITE because they have better things to do
5) I have been pulled over for years and popped my hood 4 times (1 for KA 3 for SR). So far I have had NO REF TICKETS. Be nice and theyll be nice to you. (if youre unlucky then ur fucked)
6) Rumors of hiding your hood latch or saying you cant pop ur hood to prevent them from seeing whats under their will not work. They will make you pop ur hood or tow it.
7) IF YOU HATE COPS OR DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS SHIT, DON'T MODIFY YOUR CAR OR DRIVE IT ON THE STREETS SIMPLE AS THAT.

[240cracker]

just got a reff ticket yesterday. 2nd time different car. the cop that got me put my car in his list and said if he pulls me over again without going to the reff its jail time. what about if i pay off the ticket and dont go to the reff all he can do is give me another ticket right?

also i tried the no u cant pop my hood thing and he showed me a hole diagram on what would happen. id be in jail for the day and car impounded.

as much money as i throw into these cars i think its time for a VQ legal swap. anyone have one that passed smog and everything?

[CrimsonRockett]

just got a reff ticket yesterday. 2nd time different car. the cop that got me put my car in his list and said if he pulls me over again without going to the reff its jail time. what about if i pay off the ticket and dont go to the reff all he can do is give me another ticket right?

also i tried the no u cant pop my hood thing and he showed me a hole diagram on what would happen. id be in jail for the day and car impounded.

as much money as i throw into these cars i think its time for a VQ legal swap. anyone have one that passed smog and everything?

So far, from what I've read, it hasn't been done(VQ legal swap).

I've gone through the ref ticket deal. Hell, I drove the car for months after getting the ticket.

I was just polite, but the rookie cop felt like being a dick anyway(even though his vet. partner was telling me if it were him, he would have kept on driving).

In my opinion, it's easier to just deal with the ticket by going to court than having the car towed away.

I wouldn't want my car towed anywhere but to my house or a close friends shop.

My ref ticket was for simple bolt ons. All I did was go back to stock, exhaust checked at the ref, failed smog at the ref, fixed it, passed smog at a local test only station, took that in to court, and paid $10 for court fees.

Cheaper than having my car towed and going through a massive headache just because I didn't want to pop my hood.

[js13]

i remember back in the day when i got pulled over and was asked to pop my hood.

the dumbass cop was like "i know who you are!??, your one of those street racer guys" WTF! then when i popped my hood he was like "this engine is illegal because i dont see the engine code on it"

i guess he was looking for those engine stamps that them hondas have very visabile

once he called a second cop over he confirmed i was legit. sooo Ha! FUCK YOU SBPD bike cop

[240cracker]

So far, from what I've read, it hasn't been done(VQ legal swap).

I've gone through the ref ticket deal. Hell, I drove the car for months after getting the ticket.

I was just polite, but the rookie cop felt like being a dick anyway(even though his vet. partner was telling me if it were him, he would have kept on driving).

In my opinion, it's easier to just deal with the ticket by going to court than having the car towed away.

I wouldn't want my car towed anywhere but to my house or a close friends shop.

My ref ticket was for simple bolt ons. All I did was go back to stock, exhaust checked at the ref, failed smog at the ref, fixed it, passed smog at a local test only station, took that in to court, and paid $10 for court fees.

Cheaper than having my car towed and going through a massive headache just because I didn't want to pop my hood.

then idk.. what could i do.

its not bolt ons its a built sr that will prolly be up for sale soon if anyones intrested hahah

[RaceBred 17]

Face it, most of us are outlaws. We run the risk of getting pulled over everytime we drive any car with an illegal motor. So just be smart and dont get caught up. Its them against us, so do all you can not to get caught. If that means giving up horsepower thats what needs to happen. Or dont bitch when you get busted, face the music like a man because in the end we are breaking the law.

[240cracker]

^^^
ya i think im over the SR

fuk it..

[cc4usmc]

he showed me a hole diagram on what would happen.

You should have asked him for a copy of that.

[!Zar!]

It's already proven that trying to argue with popping your hood won't work.

Also driving your car on the street is a horrible idea if it currently has a ref ticket over it's head. Being as how it's deamed illegal for road use until other wise noted.

[CrimsonRockett]

It's already proven that trying to argue with popping your hood won't work.

Also driving your car on the street is a horrible idea if it currently has a ref ticket over it's head. Being as how it's deamed illegal for road use until other wise noted.

I actually didn't know about that(illegal part) until I was practically due for my court date.

Stupid mistake on my part(for not reading the ticket in full), but yeah.

Like stated several times, if you're going to run illegal engines/mods, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Be smart, save yourself the trouble, and just get a non-modified daily.

Best decision I ever made.

[mr.booie]

yea, a friend of mine got pulled over. cop took photos of his engine (rb25). the cop gave him a ticket for exhaust, intake, and modified emissions control (turbo timer). he would have had to get it ref'd but the car wanst in his name at the time and he took the little "ref" sticker off the ticket. all he had to do was pay about $500 for the ticket.

[240cracker]

I actually didn't know about that(illegal part) until I was practically due for my court date.

Stupid mistake on my part(for not reading the ticket in full), but yeah.

Like stated several times, if you're going to run illegal engines/mods, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Be smart, save yourself the trouble, and just get a non-modified daily.

Best decision I ever made.

i have a legal daily
i drive my car seriously like 5 times a month due to tickets

i want to stop the street shit and go to track but i dont want too buy a damn trailer for a couple days out of the month if that.

thinkn about a pretty stock setup ka dohc so i can drive it on the streets to just with suspension ext.

is that even enough to get around good at the balcony or adams kart track?

going to suck dropping 200hp...

other option i was thinking is what if i put my sr to all stock? if they pop it and it looks stock they prolly wont take the vin of the motor right?

[RaceBred 17]

A friend of mine spray painted his pipes and intercooler black and to the untrained eye it LOOKS stock. But that is still rollin the dice.

[charkid]

I dont want to make a new thread to ask this question but i suppose it relates to this topic.

I got a ref ticket a while back and a ticket for tint as well. Reason my car couldn't pass ref is because my check engine light was on so I decided I'll take care of it later, and I did that the same for my Tint ticket. Now i've got a month left and I've already used up all my extensions, and my car dies on me. Is there any way I can go to the court/judge and ask them for another extension? My car is basically non-op right now. I want to try to do this without actually going to the DMV to register the car as non-op for the time being. I'd also rather not pay the bail amount for the ref ticket. Thanks

[!Zar!]

yea, a friend of mine got pulled over. cop took photos of his engine (rb25). the cop gave him a ticket for exhaust, intake, and modified emissions control (turbo timer). he would have had to get it ref'd but the car wanst in his name at the time and he took the little "ref" sticker off the ticket. all he had to do was pay about $500 for the ticket.

Taking the sticker off didn't make any difference.

He just payed the ticket off.

He could've done that with the sticker on there.

[projekt_s13]

Taking the sticker off didn't make any difference.

He just payed the ticket off.

He could've done that with the sticker on there.


Yup i just did that last week, paid 375 for the ref ticket.

[240cracker]

im thinking of so many ways to run a faster car then a stock KA in california without getting reffed...

say i do a VQ swap and it doesnt pass smog (legaly)

i get pulled over they check that the motor is a usa motor newer then my chassis and it says i passed smog. i have no illegal parts

they cant really do shit hu?

[Screenname]

im thinking of so many ways to run a faster car then a stock KA in california without getting reffed...

say i do a VQ swap and it doesnt pass smog (legaly)

i get pulled over they check that the motor is a usa motor newer then my chassis and it says i passed smog. i have no illegal parts

they cant really do shit hu?

The cops don't care what type of motor you have. If you have a VQ swap, SR or RB if they think the motor is illegal then they will send you to the ref. The ref is there to verify if it is or not.

I had a friend who got sent to the ref for the samco colored radiator hoses.

[240cracker]

HAHAHA
for hoses

what an asshole cop

[wickedjester]

nvm just did some more digging

[GabeS14]

just got a reff ticket yesterday. 2nd time different car. the cop that got me put my car in his list and said if he pulls me over again without going to the reff its jail time. what about if i pay off the ticket and dont go to the reff all he can do is give me another ticket right?

also i tried the no u cant pop my hood thing and he showed me a hole diagram on what would happen. id be in jail for the day and car impounded.

as much money as i throw into these cars i think its time for a VQ legal swap. anyone have one that passed smog and everything?

just pay the fine it sucks.. but it closes the case and the tik goes away... no big worries... i just got a ref ticket today too.. just gonna pay it..
dont sell you motor dont worry about going to ref.. if you dont have money now.. just get an extension 3 month is more than enough to save up 500 bucks..

[miklos]

What is FMIC?

[shinda_shima]

What is FMIC?
It's a little something that replace radiators. :rimshot:

[shade]

Miklos, Google is your friend. Seriously. It's the first thing that comes up.