D'oh

[RJF]

Obama bumped his head on Marine One while waving to his fans.

JDSI4cn7bf0

Bet you didn't hear about that in media.

[cc4usmc]

Actually it was.. like a week ago. Well, whenever it happened.

Oh. Random Video thread.

[Antihero983]

1.There's a random video thread.

2.how is that even remotely news?! people are losing their fucking jobs, the country is in shambles, AND THAT'S NEWS!??!?!?!?!

my mom and her bf can barely afford to live ay to day, fuck I can barely afford to live day to day, and THIS is news!? Nice. Real Nice.

I know you have this huge beef with anything or anyone that isnt down with your political ideals, but seriously, shit is weak sauce.

RJF, I seriously just lost the last shred of respect I had for you.

[BustedS13]

wow he barely tapped his head there
how could we have given this man the chance to be one of the most powerful people on earth, much less elected him

http://culture11.com/blogs/ladyblog/files/2008/08/sarah-palin.jpg

[RJF]

1.There's a random video thread.

2.how is that even remotely news?! people are losing their fucking jobs, the country is in shambles, AND THAT'S NEWS!??!?!?!?!

RJF, I seriously just lost the last shred of respect I had for you.

It was news when stuff like that happened to W. Trying to open a locked door in China was played thousands of times and Leno, Letterman had a field day.

As for the country, yes it's bad, but it's the Government that got us here and now they're making things worse with that Porkulus bill they just passed.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/30/fail_thread.jpg

[Antihero983]

Zilvia.net: The Official Website for Political Propaganda as long as RJF agrees with it.

[Pank]

As for the country, yes it's bad, but it's the Government that got us here and now they're making things worse with that Porkulus bill they just passed.

yeah really, good thing the republicans never did anything like that.

[neverrain]

You can skip ahead to 0:40 in the video. Unless you want to watch 40 seconds of him walking.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

It was news when stuff like that happened to W. Trying to open a locked door in China was played thousands of times and Leno, Letterman had a field day.

As for the country, yes it's bad, but it's the Government that got us here and now they're making things worse with that Porkulus bill they just passed.
well we here in California have a saying. And that saying goes:
fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice........fool me twice......
ya ain't gon fool me again

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

yeah really, good thing the republicans never did anything like that.
exactly!!!! Republicans are supposed to be against spending taxpayers money so people wouldn't be taxed, right? What's that you say? You mean oil DIDN'T pay for the war in Iraq?!? How dare you sir! How on earth will the United States taxpayers pay for the billions of dollars/week we're spending over there?!!!? You, sir, are wrong with a capitol R!!!!

[BustedS13]

i love how we can't just get along and deal with the president that the majority of the country voted for

[cc4usmc]

Let's not forget WHY the majority voted for him.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Let's not forget WHY the majority voted for him.
wait, didn't Al Gore get the majority? That doesn't mean anything

i love how we can't just get along and deal with the president that the majority of the country voted for
well, he might end up being a great president. He might end up changing most of our lives for the better. He might unclusterfuck the situation that Bushy put us in and he might reestablish foreign relations and develop better relations with some other countries.
But some will always just remember him as "that black guy"

[BustedS13]

Let's not forget WHY the majority voted for him.


our last abortion of a president was a Republican
the Republican party's candidate was a brittle old man
the Republican party's vice presidential candidate was more ridiculous than our last president
Hawaiians are trendy?
our last Republican vice president blew some dude's face off with a shotgun

[Gnnr]

Let's not forget WHY the majority voted for him.

Oh here it comes :keke:

[RJF]

Oh, by the way, that $500 tax credit that was promised to everyone by Lord Barrack, forget about it.

Supposedly it was capped at $400 and will phase out based on your income.

So much for keeping promises.

Oh, and one more thing that wasn't in the media:

The Congressional Budget Office predicted that the current economic recession will end in the second half of 2009 without the trillion dollar stimulus.
From The Budget and Economic Outlook: Fiscal Years 2009 to 2019 (pdf):

CBO anticipates that the current recession, which started in December 2007, will last until the second half of 2009, making it the longest recession since World War II. (The longest such recessions otherwise, the 1973–1974 and 1981–1982 recessions, both lasted 16 months. If the current recession were to continue beyond midyear, it would last at least 19 months.) It could also be the deepest recession during the postwar period: By CBO’s estimates, economic output over the next two years will average 6.8 percent below its potential—that is, the level of output that would be produced if the economy’s resources were fully employed (see Figure 1). This ecession, however, may not result in the highest unemployment rate. That rate, in CBO’s forecast, rises to 9.2 percent by early 2010 (up from a low of 4.4 percent at the end of 2006) but is still below the 10.8 percent rate seen near the end of the 1981–1982 recession.

The Congressional Budget Office even says the Obama Stimulus will actually hurt, not help, the economy.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

you know what I think is funny, honestly. The fact that when candidates bring up the Constitution of the United States they are treated as loony. The most right wing candidate was Ron Paul but because he's only right wing politically and not "spiritually" then he's a crazy person. Why Ron Paul is not the face of the Republican party is beyond me.

[cc4usmc]

Oh here it comes :keke:

I just figured I'd stir things up a bit :drama:

[RJF]

Why Ron Paul is not the face of the Republican party is beyond me.

Because he really does have "one screw lose".

I do agree with his fiscal policies, but not his foreign policy ideas.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Sure, Obama might be half black, but as least he's not half George W. Bush

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Because he really does have "one screw lose".

I do agree with his fiscal policies, but not his foreign policy ideas.
I LOVE his foreign policies.
In a nutshell here's Ron Pauls foreign policies: "fuck em"

Who can argue with things like abolishing the IRS, or flat tax. My god, if Ron Paul's brain was in Mit Romney's body then you're talkin!

[BustedS13]

Because he really does have "one screw lose".

I do agree with his fiscal policies, but not his foreign policy ideas.

i'll agree with you there, dude's batshit crazy.

you don't win an election based on your internet campaign, thank god

[soreballz]

Err, why does this video deserve its own thread?

Sure, Obama might be half black, but as least he's not half George W. Bush
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

i'll agree with you there, dude's batshit crazy.

you don't win an election based on your internet campaign, thank god
actually, he's not crazy, probably the most right wing congressman there is to the letter. The internet really created a bad image for him. When you have 9/11 conspiracy groups following you around, it's never a good thing.

[S13_Nightkid]

Err, why does this video deserve its own thread?


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I have no idea. Random video thread please and thank you.

[OptionZero]

It was news when stuff like that happened to W. Trying to open a locked door in China was played thousands of times and Leno, Letterman had a field day.

As for the country, yes it's bad, but it's the Government that got us here and now they're making things worse with that Porkulus bill they just passed.

Glad to see you're rising above the fray and finding constructive solutions to the nation's problems.

I'm sure finding ways to spam the board with laughably transparent pro-Republican bias is the best use of your time.

[jrocslider]

get over it already.

is stuff like this all were going to see posted by you on Zilvia for the next 4 years?

[Pank]

The Congressional Budget Office even says the Obama Stimulus will actually hurt, not help, the economy.

Yeah, I really trust them, since they were able to minimize our current recession that totally hasn't lasted a year longer than it should have. I guess we can blame that on obama, since he was the last president, and the president before that. Protip: up and downswings in the economy rarely have anything to do with the president. This isn't the 40's anymore, we cant just have a really cool war to boost the economy.

and no, thats not at all what the article is stating. The article is stating that they do not believe the stimulus is warranted to kick start us back into normal employment/production, not that it will "hurt the economy".

[aoiken3]

You can skip ahead to 0:40 in the video. Unless you want to watch 40 seconds of him walking.

this should've been the second post in this thread.......

[cc4usmc]

this should've been the second post in this thread.......

Sorry I failed you. :hahano:

[Matej]

Wonder if Obama's good at dodging shoes y'all.

[az_240]

That was lame... I was expecting something that would leave a bruise.

[soreballz]

^srsly... Its not like he smashed his dome. He just kinda brushed it. Big fucking deal.

[unfuxwitable]

anyone else think palin was hot? or am i the only one. she kinda old but id still beat...

[spoolandslide]

RJF, I seriously just lost the last shred of respect I had for you.

Word.

Oh, by the way, that $500 tax credit that was promised to everyone by Lord Barrack, forget about it.

Supposedly it was capped at $400 and will phase out based on your income.

So much for keeping promises.



"Oh noes, $400 instead of $500 :-/"

Bush said he was going to bring 'terrorists' to justice
what happened to that?

RJF, are you like deeply obsessed with watching this one man fail or what?

[theronin]

i get why he posted this. every little move GW made was scrutinized. so why has everything changed now? we used to enjoy laughin at our president.

[murda-c]

It's only been a couple weeks guys.

I'm sure obama will be falling off shit and choking on stuff all the time for our entertainment.

[RJF]

RJF, are you like deeply obsessed with watching this one man fail or what?

No, it's his policies and how he is going to ruin this country with his socialist policies and spending. Just look at what's in the Porkulus bill and why isn't the legislation being posted on the Congressional website for 72 hours like he said during the campaign, paraphrase "This will be the most open Administration in history and the public will know what is going on". Meanwhile they are already hiding things and trying to take control of other functions like the 2010 Census so they can grab more power. Census has been under Dept. of Commerce control, but now the White House is going to run it.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd49/airborne373/NewsweeksWeareallsocialistnowcover.jpg

[Grendel]

get over it already.

is stuff like this all were going to see posted by you on Zilvia for the next 4 years?

Don't you mean 8 years?

:D

[98s14inaz]

It was news when stuff like that happened to W. Trying to open a locked door in China was played thousands of times and Leno, Letterman had a field day.

As for the country, yes it's bad, but it's the Government that got us here and now they're making things worse with that Porkulus bill they just passed.

RJF, I agree with you but you have to consider your audience. They are all so brainwashed and drunk on hope that their messiah can do no wrong...evar :w00t:

[Kn1ves]

He hit his head just like George W. Bush,

Surely he is now every bit as dumb as him.

[Om1kron]

I want my 5 minutes of life back, and I want my bandwidth back for this thread =(

[exitspeed]

Sorry RJF, this is seriously the lamest way to start a thread to poitn out how much you disagree with Obama.

Really fuckin lame.

[Antihero983]

lol RJF good thing you get to spam the boards with a vid that should be in the Video of the day thread, must be nice to be in your position of power. god knows you use it enough to post this garbage over and over and over.

dont you get it? NO ONE CARES.

[ESmorz]

I LUVS RJF


BE MY FUCKING VALENTINE

:kiss:

I LUVS RJF


BE MY FUCKING VALENTINE

:kiss:I LUVS RJF


BE MY FUCKING VALENTINE

:kiss:I LUVS RJF


BE MY FUCKING VALENTINE

:kiss:I LUVS RJF


BE MY FUCKING VALENTINE

:kiss:

[Matej]

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[OptionZero]

If your primary point of contention is with Obama's policies, than why are you posting about him hitting his head?

Is getting your own version of "revenge" adding anything to any political discussion? The politically related threads here are seriously discouraging, as the vast majority of posters are kids who can't be bothered to read a news report in full, much less post a coherent response, while the rest of the responses are knee-jerk canned answers.

RJF is an admin or a mod or whatever and this posts breaks no rules. RJF there for has the freedom to continue to post in this manner.

That you choose to exercise that freedom this way, however, reflects upon your credibility. Can you really bitch at the responses you get?


I work for the government. I have worked for every branch of California's government in some way or shape, paid or not paid, as a student or as a paid employee. I do so because I believe in the system. I would welcome the chance to discuss how our society is organized and run and contribute what I have seen and know; I might add alot or I might add nothing and deserve only ridicule. For the most part, however, I do not find that chance here on Zilvia, and your posts are one reason why.

[Antihero983]

^honestly, if his political posts weren't so closed minded and one sided, MAYBE he'd get a better response.

and if any of us started this thread in which the vid in the first post could've and should've been posted in the Video Thread, we would have been reprimanded for it.

[soreballz]

anyone else think palin was hot? or am i the only one. she kinda old but id still beat...
You're not the only one. I'd fuck the shit out of her. I'd either to keep her gagged constantly though, otherwise I'd get carried away and do some really serious damage. lol

[mRclARK1]

I don't like Obama. Never have, likely never will. Why? For some of his policies, but mainly due to the blind obsession surrounding the man. Whatever happened to taking care of yourself and making your own way? It seems as though the majority of America (and even the rest of the world) seems to think that this man is some savior to pull them from the abyss (factual or not is another point of debate) they can't save themselves from. Welcome to the age of no personal responsibility, independence or fortitude. Everyone wants something from the government tit.

"Please save me Obama! Please!" :rofl: ... I'll agree with RJF, that if Obama was a Republican president, this would have been a field day video for most of the media. Anyone who doesn't see that a lot of it (FOX news aside) is more than slightly left leaning and Democrat bias is seriously lacking basic observation skills. I really do NOT care about politics anymore and I can see it as obvious as the keyboard in front of me.

On the flip side. I was never the biggest fan of McCain either. I just thought he would be the lesser of two evils. However, anyone who doesn't think that at least a few people voted for Obama strictly on racial motives, is just naive. I personally know of two people who will freely admit to it. Enough about that though. Race should not play a role in any way. Period. Unfortunately while people that have the mental faculties of most Zilvians still exist... It always will.

FWIW... RJF is really the only person in this thread who has made logical and factual backed up arguments. You can look up the information on his points yourself from official sources. Most of you are just proving his signature.

I like Zilvia, but it's threads like these, the responses they receive, and members who are pretty much a waste of space, air and bandwidth, that make me post here less and less.

So hahahahaha... Obama very lightly bumped his head. I'd laugh at him, just like I would anyone else... Republican, Democrat, Independent, or whatever. So RJF... Who cares really? What's the point? You know it will do nothing but stir up shit to post it. Most everyone else... Why are you so defensive about it? It's RJF's forum... Let him post what he wants. You all don't have to stay. Zilvia would be better if a few of you who posted in here did not.

[Matej]

Obama is not the one creating all the hype about himself. It is the media and the public. He is perhaps the most closely watched president there has been in the US, dare I say ever? Look, some people are obsessed enough to dedicate a thread on a car forum to a video of him lightly bumping his head. I find the crazed supporters, the obsession, and the merchandise ridiculous.

I agree that the fanatically obsessed fans are only making the rest of his supporters look bad, but I like him, and in my opinion he was the better choice. If someone votes based solely on the candidate's skin color or his political party affiliation, they may be an idiot, but in this case their ignorantly cast vote helped elect the candidate I wished to win, so I cannot really complain.

[mRclARK1]

Obama is not the one creating all the hype about himself. It is the media and the public. He is perhaps the most closely watched president there has been in the US, dare I say ever? Look, some people are obsessed enough to dedicate a thread on a car forum to a video of him lightly bumping his head. I find the crazed supporters, the obsession, and the merchandise ridiculous.

I agree that the fanatically obsessed fans are only making the rest of his supporters look bad, but I like him, and in my opinion he was the better choice. If someone votes based solely on the candidate's skin color or his political party affiliation, they may be an idiot, but in this case their ignorantly cast vote helped elect the candidate I wished to win, so I cannot really complain.

I agree. For the most part, he's not trumpeting his own praises. However, I think it would show a lot of character on his part to say something in regards to it. I know I would definitely be saying something if it was me and the US mint was issuing collector coins with my image saying "Man of hope" and "Born to Lead" etc., people making t-shirts with my face on them and songs about me. I'd be uncomfortable with that. Obama is JUST a man. He's the president of the United States. He is not God. He is not Jesus Christ or some savior of America (everyone put religious views aside and just accept the metaphor(s) please. haha)

I think you should have a problem even if they elected the candidate you want on that basis. It's still a blatant demonstration of the ignorance, stupidity and lack of own personal thought and intelligence that is rotting America, and a lot of the rest of the world, from the individual on up.

Common sense is so uncommon these days because independent-thinking and intelligent individuals are so hard to find. :-/ ... A lot of the stuff people spout about this whole "historical event" is really lacking in common sense. No great stride for racial tolerance was made (racism is an individual issue anyway, not a group one. It's a choice an individual makes through actions). People will still be poor. People will still die cause they can't afford medical care (or you'll have like we do in Canada, where people will die because they had to wait to long because it's free of charge for EVERYONE who breaks their neck drunk driving or smokes themselves into lung cancer)... I'm just really sick of hearing about how "great" he is. His ideas are not new, fresh or a change from historical events long before any of us were even born. "There is nothing new under the sun"

[exitspeed]

FWIW... RJF is really the only person in this thread who has made logical and factual backed up arguments. You can look up the information on his points yourself from official sources. Most of you are just proving his signature.

The post should have been put in the Video thread like every other member on this forum does or should do. The original point of the thread was to post a vid of Obama hitting his head and that you didn't hear about it in the media. His point was lame and yes was a waste of space. There's far more important things for the media to be reporting on.


I like Zilvia, but it's threads like these, the responses they receive, and members who are pretty much a waste of space, air and bandwidth, that make me post here less and less.

Yes, they are. Remember when the RTT got locked because it was wasting bandwidth. Yea, kinda hard to make that BS argument when the dude who runs the site wastes bandwidth with threads like this.


So hahahahaha... Obama very lightly bumped his head. I'd laugh at him, just like I would anyone else... Republican, Democrat, Independent, or whatever. So RJF... Who cares really? What's the point? You know it will do nothing but stir up shit to post it. Most everyone else... Why are you so defensive about it? It's RJF's forum... Let him post what he wants. You all don't have to stay. Zilvia would be better if a few of you who posted in here did not.

It is his forum. And it's pretty lame that a person with his intelligence stoops down to levels of using his forum to spread his propaganda. He should make his own Obama bashing forum where he can post this stuff all day every day where people WANT to see this shit.

The reason these threads get so many posts is because it pisses people off. Plane and simple.

[!Zar!]

I agree with Exitspeed.

[lflkajfj12123]

Plane and simple.

Plain and simple. **

[alexander500]

RJF, why do you hate America so much?

If you disagree with our president then you are emboldening terrorists

[mRclARK1]

The post should have been put in the Video thread like every other member on this forum does or should do. The original point of the thread was to post a vid of Obama hitting his head and that you didn't hear about it in the media. His point was lame and yes was a waste of space. There's far more important things for the media to be reporting on.

I'd agree. Video thread would make sense... But again... It's his forum. He makes the rules, does not mean he has to follow them. It's a private forum. It's like being in someones house. They have every right to tell you to not put your feet up, but they can do it all they want. It's their house. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with RJF. I'm simply stating facts. He can do what he wants, everyone's bitching isn't going to stop that one bit because it's his forum.

I still stand by my point however. IF you do (and I'm not saying you specifically) want to turn this into an argument, RJF is the only one who has made some factual points so far. The rest of the posts are simply bitching, joking, statements without reference, or all three.

The media does have far better things to report on. Sadly, most of the time they do not.


Yes, they are. Remember when the RTT got locked because it was wasting bandwidth. Yea, kinda hard to make that BS argument when the dude who runs the site wastes bandwidth with threads like this.

I agree it's a waste of bandwidth. Again, it's HIS forum. It's his bandwidth to waste. Zilvia is NOT a place where free speech applies. It's privately owned.

It is his forum. And it's pretty lame that a person with his intelligence stoops down to levels of using his forum to spread his propaganda. He should make his own Obama bashing forum where he can post this stuff all day every day where people WANT to see this shit.

The reason these threads get so many posts is because it pisses people off. Plane and simple.

If it is indeed propaganda it is lame. I personally wouldn't post the video at all, or would have done so without the political connotations he did. However, most of what RJF has said in here isn't propaganda. Again, it's facts... For example, his post about the 2010 census is true and public info. Obama has changed it so it will report directly to the White House as RJF has said. A simple google search will tell you that. Facts that you may not like to hear is not propaganda at all.

I again stand by my point. When RJF comes in here and makes a post stating something that you can search and judge for yourself and he gets a response like many in here simply insulting him, making jokes and telling him to change how he runs HIS FORUM that he OWNS... It's just lending more and more truth to his signature. Assuming the respondents consider themselves, or regardless if they in fact are, liberals. Not that a political liberal is a bad thing. However, the term today which RJF is referencing, has little common with the traditional term.

Everyone just needs to remember it's the internet. Remember, everything is true, everyone is smart, everyone is right and common sense is a restriction, not a blessing, that applies to everyone but yourself. /sarcasm

[exitspeed]

^
I've said all that stuff in the past too.

I realize I don't have to post here. Which is why I don't post as much. It's just a shame when an owner is willing to push members away with subject matter not related to the core subject of the forum. There's a need for off topic, but not at the cost of members support.

[Antihero983]

Wait. I though West owned Zilvia. Now I'm definitely confused.

And Exit, I agree with you 100%

Or what about making a Politics sub-forum? There are alot of members who do follow politics, and do end up discussing them, so why not make a place for it other that OT? That way we knuckleheaded naysayers would know not to go in there, and they could post all the political bs they want without anyone ruing their thread.

[gripstr]

Wow this thread delivers.....

I have yet to meet someone who is better off with the trillion dollar bank bailouts. Except of course the executives who dont really give a shit.

Most of them ended up laying off hardworking americans becuase they have to cut expenses and whatnot, while lavishing themselves with the tax payers money.

I wonder how people feel about that.

[mRclARK1]

I think West and RJF co-own the forum or something.

A political subforum would be a decent idea. But who the hell would want to moderate that? haha

FWIW I agree RJF takes his political opinions on here to far, but on the flip side, he's often (not always) the only one making any logical and factual sense.

Personally, I think in real life RJF probably isn't nearly as fanatical about his politics as he appears to be here... I bet he does it just for the laugh he probably gets from some of the little bastards on this forum who can't even use basic grammar and have a temper tantrum every time they don't get their way. lol

As much as I hate to say it, Zilvia is really going to shit... So much so I often find it's not worth my time aside from the Premie section.

[exitspeed]

I think West and RJF co-own the forum or something.

A political subforum would be a decent idea. But who the hell would want to moderate that? haha

FWIW I agree RJF takes his political opinions on here to far, but on the flip side, he's often (not always) the only one making any logical and factual sense.

Personally, I think in real life RJF probably isn't nearly as fanatical about his politics as he appears to be here... I bet he does it just for the laugh he probably gets from some of the little bastards on this forum who can't even use basic grammar and have a temper tantrum every time they don't get their way. lol

As much as I hate to say it, Zilvia is really going to shit... So much so I often find it's not worth my time aside from the Premie section.

I'm sure RJF is a great guy in person. Doesn't make his political spamming any more appropriate.

I'm all for off topic topics on a car forum. I was the self proclaimed OT King. But only if it's fun, if it can bring the forum together or it's something people can happily agree to disagree if need be.

POLITICS and RELIGION are two subjects TIME AND TIME again have been proven are non of the above.

On a smaller scale or local forum these kinds of topics can be discussed. Not on a forum this size IMO. But, that's my opinion, and it's his forum. So I can go fuck myself for all he and the moderators care.

[mRclARK1]

^^^ You really should still be a mod...

[ronmcdon]

I actually kinda enjoy RJF's threads, regardless of whether or not I agree with him.
Seems like he's just here to push ppl's buttons, and it seems to work all the time.
Also note that no name calling is used.
There's just brief, politically controversial blank statements.
The thread probably wasn't started for political discussion, so much as it was to get heated responses.
Ppl can choose to ignore his threads or disagree in a non-confrontational, non-emotional manner, but they do not.
It happens over and over, with the same results.
Who is belittling who?

If RJF's purpose is too piss ppl off and create comedy, I think he's probably doing well.
If RJF's purpose is to encourage meaningful political discussion, it's fairly obvious that it hasn't been working and might not ever will.

With regards to the video, I would call that a gentle brush, not a bump.
Certainly it doesn't measure up to the slapstick mishaps of Dubya.
Agreed that it's weak, but I don't think it warrants name calling either.

[Matej]

No one takes RJF seriously. He is a lone man desperate for attention. It truly weighs down my heart, I wish I could just reach over and give him a hug.

[ESmorz]

No one takes RJF seriously. He is a lone man desperate for attention. It truly weighs down my heart, I wish I could just reach over and give him a hug.

Keep your baby murdering, socialist hands away from my Valentine.

[Matej]

Apparently there is more than one man vying for RJF's affection. Such compromising incident I did not foresee. En garde!

[ESmorz]

Apparently there is more than one man vying for RJF's affection. Such compromising incident I did not foresee. En garde!

Get used to it, bitch.

[Matej]

Would RJF by any other name smell as sweet?

[ESmorz]

Ronald Jenkins Fitzgerald