PBM Products

[bigjacsoc]

I have been riding around on my MR streets dumped for about 6 months now and am really getting annoyed by camber wear. I am looking into buying a full suspension kit (toe, traction, RUCAs, and tension rods) from Powered By Max but am a little skeptical because of their popularity. I do NOT want Megan arms because I have a friend that has had problems with them, mainly his inner tie rods. I want something moderate but not in the price range of JIC Magic, Tanabe, or Cusco. Anyway, getting to the point, how have your experiences with PBM been? I am in GA so PBM really isn't popular here and figured I should talk to people more oriented with them. I have noticed that the prices are outrageously cheap considering how great their arms look. Basically, am I better off going with PBM or SPL and please explain why? I am not really looking into any other brands because my stock toe rod is bent now from being to low and pretty much have no choice but to go with one of these because of their modified toe arms. Thank you.

[!Zar!]

Splparts.

Kuah has been in the game forever.

I don't think I've ever heard one bad thing said about him. EVER.

The customer service is by far the best within reason out there.

When updates come out, he makes sure that everyone is happy.

[Marcus]

PBM is local to me in SD. they are awesome. parts are solid. designed for ultra low cars.

[Ceepo]

PBM is top notch, there quality its unbeatable, and the price is in everyones pocket book, great warrenty on there products do, Dan is an awesome guy to work with :) you will not be dissappointed with PBM products :)

[theslows13]

by the end of next week, ill have their entire s13 suspension lineup, including the crazy angle knuckles. i ONLY have PBM suspension on my car. i love it and i daily it. not bad at all

[irax]

if you are going ultra low, then pbm is the only answer. if you live in an area where you HAVE to have more than 2.5 inch of ride height clearance or you don't want to be cali-low then SPL does make a great product and does offer great customer support.

[Flipzide]

Trust in Parts Shop MAX. They are legit and have great customer service. I run almost all of their suspension parts on my car. I've never had a problem with them and neither have any of my friends that use their parts.

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[SochBAT]

IF SPL and PBM fought, i'm sure SPL would win.

[irax]

IF SPL and PBM fought, i'm sure SPL would win.

SPL makes great parts for race cars
PartShopMax makes great parts for ultra low drift cars


it's not the same thing

they BOTH make great parts, it's like compairing a cheese burger from Islands to one at In&Out. They both are great, but they both have a different market.

[punxva]

as everyone has said they both make great products, i love my pbm toe arms since they are designed for the ultra low in mind. and Dan is the man

[EDacIouSX]

SPL makes great parts for race cars
PartShopMax makes great parts for ultra low drift cars


it's not the same thing

they BOTH make great parts, it's like compairing a cheese burger from Islands to one at In&Out. They both are great, but they both have a different market.

sorry but I would have to strongly disagree. When looking at the rear multilink parts, it seems the only difference btwn PBM and SPL is in the toe and rucas. SPL seems ot have the more lowered friendly toe control arm while PBM seems ot have the more lowered friendly RUCAS.

but, the thing is seriously how low are you really going to go? you have to have your frame rail literally 1 inch off the ground to have a need to rock PBM parts.

Most of spl parts are low car friendly and supports adjustment for bump steer (look at spl the outer tie rods). Bump steer is an issue when you lower your car.


But, my opinion is SPL suspension VS PBM suspension, i'd say SPL. Though, I do recognize PBM as having good suspension products (judging from pics, looks like good build quality).

Though, if I had to choose between SPL and PBM i would choose spl for these reasons:

1. SUPER AWESOME CUSTOMER SUPPORT
2. ALways updating products and offering discounted price on updates.
3. Provides reasons for updates.
4. An american company (I want my money spent on American products instead of helping someone else over seas)



Honestly though, I think PBM is just marketing their stuff more towards drifters. SPL is positioned as a quality parts company for both drifters and time attack/racers.



oops, just noticed PBM has a gen 2 toe rod so i guess they have more lower car friendly rucas and toe control arms.

Actually I have a question, are PBM parts solid of hollow? SPL's solid

[irax]

Actually I have a question, are PBM parts solid of hollow? SPL's solid

I am pretty sure they are solid.

this would be a great time for Dan from max to chime in.

[bigjacsoc]

Well my car is pretty low. I'm on stock S13 SE's with 205/50/15 tires (stock profile is 60 or 65) and I'm tucking rubber. I will use my car for daily driving and for small non-competition track/drift events. With this in mind, I am still leaning towards PBM but does anyone else have any input?

[BlckBeautyVTEC]

Tommy the Gold S13 that rocks PSM parts bent a pair of SPL toe rods, and hasnt bent his PBM ones (yet)

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1209616237_2_FT2055_picture027.jpg

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[revat619]

i have all PBM arms on my car. I couldn't be happier. They have AWESOME customer service as well.

This isn't a knock on SPL arms though. They are quality as well. As are Battle Version arms.

[JRas]

they both make quality suspension components, you can't go wrong with either really.

I guess it comes down to a personal preference, for me it's SPL always.

[LongGrain]

so is everyone else completely oblivious to the fact that SPL toe rods have the bend in them also...

[SochBAT]

so is everyone else completely oblivious to the fact that SPL toe rods have the bend in them also...

I think so.

I love the fact you can upgrade easily with Kuah. He's Da Manz.

[INeedNewTires]

SPL for me as well, except for the LCA's I went with battle version mainly because of cost.

I'd say bang for the buck PBM is cheapest with great quality so they win that category

Overall though i'd say SPL FTW, if money were of less importance than quality. I went with SPL because their local, and kuah has helped me out alot with little questions here and there, and never thought i was some 'drift kid' or some jackass that didnt know how to search. he just helped even without making a sale.

SPL rules customer service hands down

[SochBAT]

And as stated before...

BUY AMERICAN!

[irax]

And as stated before...

BUY AMERICAN!

LOL that holds no water here

i fucking WATCHED Martin at part shop max MAKE the fucking camber arms...

we are all americans here brother.

[revat619]

i think we're beating a dead horse here, guys. The texas guys love the support from SPL cuz its local and we San Diego guys love the support from PSM cuz they're local. Quality wise they're the same so either one is a good choice.

Between my old S14 and my new one i've had SPL, Battle Version, and PSM. ALL of them are quality. ALL had good customer service. Choose a color you like better and pick accordingly.

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[S14DB]

so is everyone else completely oblivious to the fact that SPL toe rods have the bend in them also...

http://www.splparts.com/main4/parts/NissanShared/Suspension/Multilink/SPLRearToeRodv3Black.jpg

I'm not, I love SPL parts stuff.

[stance]

i have a question...are you guys still using the eccentric bolts when you switch to adjustable RUCAS?

[huffandpuff00]

keep stock traction rod and just box them in. the balls went out on my adjustable ones and now have my stock boxed in pair, which have lasted almost two years.

[tramp_drift240]

someone needs to throw out some more differences between the two companies, im in the same boat here.

[irax]

SPL makes great parts for race cars
PartShopMax makes great parts for ultra low drift cars


it's not the same thing

they BOTH make great parts, it's like compairing a cheese burger from Islands to one at In&Out. They both are great, but they both have a different market.

someone needs to throw out some more differences between the two companies, im in the same boat here.

what i said is basically all you need to know. Let me reiterate, if you want to build a car that is more well rounded and capable of doing time attacks, drifting, daily driving, drag racing. SPL parts work great. On the other hand though, if you want to be able to slam you car to the ground and maintain a good geometry setup and have primarily drifting in mind Part Shop Max is the only one you should choose. Though if you have a budget in mind and just want best bang for buck? Both are high quality PSM is a little bit cheaper, about $20 - $65 which can add up if you are buying complete multi-link packages.

[SochBAT]

Personally, I have never understood why the hell people slam the shit outta their cars.

Yea, i understand the trackwhores, but people that do that shit DD.

Is it fucking cool to make a 3 point turn to go over a speed bump???

[soreballz]

Is it fucking cool to make a 3 point turn to go over a speed bump???
Yes. There is NOTHING on the planet that is cooler than having to make a 3-point turn over a speed bump.


NOTHING.


:cj::cj:

[SochBAT]

Hugz n kissez!

:wiggle:

[l20bdime]

ill also agree with what was said above. All of these companies are great. Choose what makes you feel fuzzy inside. Parts shop max is my choice though. you can do this.
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1222908868_2_FT2907_img_7080.jpg

and this

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1222908868_2_FT2907_img_7076.jpg

and this

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1207243607_2_FT152_hitmanj.jpg

[babowc]

my pbms wont go any lower in the front...
i must be doing soemthing wrong.

235/40/17
i took off one collar.
not too much preload.

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[l20bdime]

take the bottom bracket of the coilover where the 2 bolts go through the knuckle and flip it upside down.

[babowc]

great idea.
i didn't think of that.
should I be adding any preload?
I hardly have any on it, but the spring doesn't jiggle or move.

[l20bdime]

start out with zero preload. just so the spring doesnt move. dont mess with preload unless you are familiar with how it works i say.

[Edgar]

I'm a little confused by the first post. I've never heard anything bad about PBM, actually I plan on going through them on everything because of their customer service even though they are on the other side of the country.

[Kiwi]

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_files/public/1207243607_2_FT152_hitmanj.jpg

that looks magical :yum:

[iRONDONkey]

Splparts.

Kuah has been in the game forever.

I don't think I've ever heard one bad thing said about him. EVER.

The customer service is by far the best within reason out there.

When updates come out, he makes sure that everyone is happy.

holy shit my last name is kuah. I never though I would see another Kuah in the world.

[MisawaJason]

can anyone vouch for their hydro ebrake? I'm about to buy one and was just looking for any input.

[l20bdime]

i have one. i know a few other guys too. it works good but all hydro brakes feel wierd compared to stock so u gotta get used to it.

[240esux]

4. An american company (I want my money spent on American products instead of helping someone else over seas)

do you drive a camaro? that was probably the most retarded thing ive ever read on here.:cj:

pbm is the best bang for the buck. the only thing they dont have is tie rods. i'd go with spl for those.

[irax]

do you drive a camaro? that was probably the most retarded thing ive ever read on here.:cj:

pbm is the best bang for the buck. the only thing they dont have is tie rods. i'd go with spl for those.

sorry pal but since the 80's all camaros have been built in Canada or Mexico, and you can thank the auto union for that.

I'm not sure about other cars but I'm pretty sure that a good 60% of all Domestic cars on the road today are built in canada or mexico.

[Troof]

we San Diego guys love the support from PSM cuz they're local.
What support?? I wanted to buy like 2k plus worth of parts from PBM and I couldnt even get a 10% discount.
Yeah I am cheapass but damn come on. Parts are nice but... ehh

While SPL on the other hand was very helpful. Customer service is great. Future Life long customer here!
<<<<<

[revat619]

What support?? I wanted to buy like 2k plus worth of parts from PBM and I couldnt even get a 10% discount.
Yeah I am cheapass but damn come on. Parts are nice but... ehh

While SPL on the other hand was very helpful. Customer service is great. Future Life long customer here!
<<<<<

I used to work at a shop...and i cant stand this sorta shit.

So you think you're entitled to a discount just because you spent some money? This kind of mentality is fucking annoying. Its one thing if a shop offers to hook you up, but you going in ASKING for it like they owe you something is fucking disrespectful and asinine. A shop is a business first and foremost. People seem to forget that...

Its not that PSM wasn't helpful, its that they wouldn't meet your cheap ass demands. There's a big difference.

Get serious. :rolleyes:

[!Zar!]

I used to work at a shop...and i cant stand this sorta shit.

So you think you're entitled to a discount just because you spent some money? This kind of mentality is fucking annoying. Its one thing if a shop offers to hook you up, but you going in ASKING for it like they owe you something is fucking disrespectful and asinine. A shop is a business first and foremost. People seem to forget that...

Its not that PSM wasn't helpful, its that they wouldn't meet your cheap ass demands. There's a big difference.

Get serious. :rolleyes:
I used to work at a shop...and i cant stand this sorta shit.

So you think you're entitled to a discount just because you spent some money? This kind of mentality is fucking annoying. Its one thing if a shop offers to hook you up, but you going in ASKING for it like they owe you something is fucking disrespectful and asinine. A shop is a business first and foremost. People seem to forget that...

Its not that PSM wasn't helpful, its that they wouldn't meet your cheap ass demands. There's a big difference.

Get serious. :rolleyes:
I used to work at a shop...and i cant stand this sorta shit.

So you think you're entitled to a discount just because you spent some money? This kind of mentality is fucking annoying. Its one thing if a shop offers to hook you up, but you going in ASKING for it like they owe you something is fucking disrespectful and asinine. A shop is a business first and foremost. People seem to forget that...

Its not that PSM wasn't helpful, its that they wouldn't meet your cheap ass demands. There's a big difference.

Get serious. :rolleyes:
Incase he missed it.

I know EXACTLY what Revat619 is talking about.

[Flipzide]

What support?? I wanted to buy like 2k plus worth of parts from PBM and I couldnt even get a 10% discount.
Yeah I am cheapass but damn come on. Parts are nice but... ehh

the prices at Parts Shop MAX are already low as shit to begin with compared to other shops.

i'm glad you didn't do business with PBM considering how stupid that notion sounds. Your definition of "support" is completely different from the locals and other happy customers around the world.

[pinkarrowsnow]

Ive run my PoweredbyMAX coils and arms daily driving them for 2 years now. Havent had one problem.

[irax]

OHH NOO another satisfied customer... wait he's on the east coast, its a conspiracy!!

[firm tofu]

I used to work at a shop...and i cant stand this sorta shit.

So you think you're entitled to a discount just because you spent some money? This kind of mentality is fucking annoying. Its one thing if a shop offers to hook you up, but you going in ASKING for it like they owe you something is fucking disrespectful and asinine. A shop is a business first and foremost. People seem to forget that...

Its not that PSM wasn't helpful, its that they wouldn't meet your cheap ass demands. There's a big difference.

Get serious. :rolleyes:



the prices at Parts Shop MAX are already low as shit to begin with compared to other shops.

i'm glad you didn't do business with PBM considering how stupid that notion sounds. Your definition of "support" is completely different from the locals and other happy customers around the world.

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[WISH ONE]

What support?? I wanted to buy like 2k plus worth of parts from PBM and I couldnt even get a 10% discount.
Yeah I am cheapass but damn come on. Parts are nice but... ehh

While SPL on the other hand was very helpful. Customer service is great. Future Life long customer here!
<<<<<



WOW!!! Extreme DOUCHE!!

Seriously! PBMs pricing is already like $30-40 lower than most suspension Companies on an average. I dont own any of their products... yet but I will once I save for new coils, and just thinking about the fact that i will be purchasing makes me a satisfied customer.
GTFO!

[theslows13]

start out with zero preload. just so the spring doesnt move. dont mess with preload unless you are familiar with how it works i say.

quick question, when you guys refer to preload, is that with the weight of the car on the spring? or with the coil off the car, unladen with any weight? i can never get a straight answer from anyone, but im starting to think a laden coil with 0 preload while on the car may be the proper way... any feedback?

that being asked...

in a few weeks from now, my collection of the entire PSM s13 suspension lineup will be complete. no complaints. i have run the coils, rucas, tension rods, subframe collars for over a year. traction/toe/knuckles/lcas will be the finishing pieces for my car, arriving asap. shipping/dealing with the shop was always efficient, things arrived on time, and i was notified when new parts arrived that i was interested in. these guys arent playing the game, they are the game.

[S14DB]

Unladen = PREload, i.e. Before the load(weight of the car) is applied.

[babowc]

Yes..
I have the entire rear arms and coilovers right now..
I should've gotten the front tension rods..bleh.. never driven on them yet though.. car's still getting motor dialed in.