Nistune Results

[hayai_240]

Firstly, big big thanks to Brandon at AutoVaughnPerformance in Tennessee for installing the Nistune chip onto my stock ecu and thanks to Bill, Nathan, and Sergio at Drift Office for their help and awesome tuning.

My Setup as follows:
Stock redtop block and head
Tomei Metal headgasket
Nismo/Tomei 550cc injectors
Nismo Adjustable FPR
Greddy FMIC and hotpipe
HKS BOV
S15 T28 turbo
RB20 Maf
Blitz SUS-TEC Intake
Custom 3" intake pipe
3" Turbo outlet
3" Downpipe
Stock cat
80mm HKS catback exhaust
Megan Racing manifold
Blitz SBC-ID boost controller
Exedy Stage 2 clutch

So for less than the cost of a PowerFC, Haltech, AEM, etc, you can have a standalone "style" ecu and make great power and torque with your SR or KA setup. I highly recommend Brandon at AutoVaughnPerformance for getting your ecu chipped with Nistune. Brandon is also a sponsor her on Zilvia. He is quick to respond to questions and you'll get your ecu back in the mail within a week. In addition, you can't beat his pricing for NIstune anywhere locally. Feel free to email him for info and pricing. Tell him Justin sent you.

Welcome to the Frontpage (http://www.autovaughnperformance.com/)

Bob and Bill at DriftOffice are really great guys to work with. Bill even helped me with issues with my car before getting it onto the dyno. After that, he worked his tuning magic. We even did some street tuning to iron out the little details. The beauty of Nistune is that you can burn images to the ecu right on the fly. So as I was driving, Bill was able to make minor changes to my AFR to smooth things out. In the end, I had a great experience with the shop and will definately be going back to them in the near future for more tuning. I highly recommend Bill for your Nistune tuning if you decide to go that route.

For more Nistune related information:
NIStune - Nissan Realtime ECU tuning (http://www.nistune.com/)
PLMS Developments Homepage (http://www.plmsdevelopments.com/)

Below are the dyno sheets from the tuning session. The first dyno sheet shows the base run and the final 3rd gear pull after tuning. The second dyno shows the same final 3rd gear pull and a 4th gear pull.

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[ManoNegra]

Very nice, I like.

[nightshiftgarage]

hmm similar setup to mine, but i have tomei 270 cams, how much boost were you running?

[slider2828]

Also do you have AFR map? THnaks!

[slider2828]

hmm similar setup to mine, but i have tomei 270 cams, how much boost were you running?

Boost was written in the original shots... Around 17PSI....

[singlecamslam]

Same set up as me... Interested to see the AFR map as well.

[ROIDMONKEY]

me like it.. no headache . quick stuff

[Ninjabread]

Damn!!! 300hp!

At the wheels eh.

Wonder if my setup was close with enthalpy, hks 264 step 2, etc etc, on a s14 t28 though.

[onepuff]

Nice! Nistune is the shit. Matt the creator is really cool too. Very helpful.

[smelly240]

He can actually drive around with his laptop on - and log afr's - traced onto the map - afr stamped in every block used.

[water]

I want to know what this software costs since I am nowhere near the tuner.

[NemeGuero]

Subscribing cuz I'm gonna do this far far from now. Stupid money.

[4x4le]

Im very glad to hear your happy and you ended up with great results! You really layed the power down with just a s13 turbo!

Im also jealous of the way your car looks. If my car had a piggy lip and sideskirts and advans it would look that hot? Humm. I might have to do something with the body of mine.

[2forty]

was this on 91 octane? damn those are nice numbers, stock cams too.

[hayai_240]

92 octane fuel

[GSXRJJordan]

To anyone wondering how he got such "high numbers" - it's UNCORRECTED. SAE correction is considered "standard", and STD correction would be a little pumped from there - straight uncorrected @ 50*F is going to be quite a bit higher than either of those.

Lets focus on the fact that his torque curves are super sweet, and it's a great value for true "standalone" performance.

I dig it.

[hayai_240]

Yes, thanks for reminding me of that. My numbers are uncorrected. The point of the thread wasn't to brag about power, but the possibilities of Nistune.

[GSXRJJordan]

Yes, thanks for reminding me of that. My numbers are uncorrected. The point of the thread wasn't to brag about power, but the possibilities of Nistune.

I totally get that, that's why I wanted to get all the "number whores" straight about it lol.

It's great to know there's a guy here in the states to get the actual Nistune chip from. Great post, keep em coming!

[xdumbxguyx]

solid power band nice and simple set up

[4x4le]

I have a question. What was the base run? Like did they retard the timing to start with, or is that with an optomised air fuel ratio and stock timing or what? If that was just the stock fuel and timing maps but corrected for your injectors and maf then it is very apparent how key of a feature a proper tune actually is.

[FusionR240sx]

sub.
def gona look into this for the summer.

[steve shadows]

Not bad, but you should be seeing about 330 WHP on dynojet with that sort of setup.

Still good, very decent graph.

I would remove the smoothing though ;) - set the smoothing to zero, then I will be able to tell what RPM points your pre-igniting or partially detonating ha-

When is someone going to bring me one so I can give a first hand tuner account? plus use it on the steady state?

You will need to bring your laptop/software though.- correct? License ?

[hayai_240]

4x4le - The base run was with stock timing and only corrected injectors and maf settings.

steve shadows - Meh, whats a couple hp. 330whp in 3rd or 4th gear? I could probably pull another 10-15hp if I had a test pipe but I gotta pass emissions this summer haha.

[4x4le]

Not bad, but you should be seeing about 330 WHP on dynojet with that sort of setup.

Still good, very decent graph.

I would remove the smoothing though ;) - set the smoothing to zero, then I will be able to tell what RPM points your pre-igniting or partially detonating ha-

When is someone going to bring me one so I can give a first hand tuner account? plus use it on the steady state?

You will need to bring your laptop/software though.- correct? License ?

Yea, they will need to bring you their laptop or have their single user license put on yours if they dont have one.
One of my customers is soon going to bring you his setup I do believe. He sourced an ecu and had it shipped strait to us so he wouldnt have to be without his ecu and the darn think isnt any good:-/!
He is going to try to get another though. I could be wrong but I do believe he said he is going to bring it to you. Its a ca18det, and I cant remember the rest of his setup off the top of my head.

4x4le - The base run was with stock timing and only corrected injectors and maf settings.

steve shadows - Meh, whats a couple hp. 330whp in 3rd or 4th gear? I could probably pull another 10-15hp if I had a test pipe but I gotta pass emissions this summer haha.

Wow, with that being the stock timing and fuel map accounted for injectors and maf, that kind of goes to show you the numbers you would expect if you tried to tune with a safc on a stock ecu. For the little extra money you spend on nistune over an safc and the power gains you made over the base after tuning and the saftey of a good tune vs a safc tune I consider that money well spent!

If I were you however i would have thrown on a test pipe and tuned on that and ran all year, and just install the cat 3 days out of the year. Put it on the day before testing and take it off the day after. It will keep it in good condition that way as well. Oh well, whats done is done and I think that you really had a good dyno graph.


edit: ughh, I just looked back and noticed you didnt run as much boost on the base run.

[DALAZ_68]

One of my customers is soon going to bring you his setup I do believe. He sourced an ecu and had it shipped strait to us so he wouldnt have to be without his ecu and the darn think isnt any good:-/!
He is going to try to get another though.
Try, more like did, its coming from germany, im going to send you my ECU though, once i get the one i got home...

and I cant remember the rest of his setup off the top of my head.


550's
blacktop T28
Z32 Maf
and if i have time, Intake Ported for KA TB
3'' complete exhaust (maybe swap out cat to test pipe for tune)

[steve shadows]

4x4le - The base run was with stock timing and only corrected injectors and maf settings.

steve shadows - Meh, whats a couple hp. 330whp in 3rd or 4th gear? I could probably pull another 10-15hp if I had a test pipe but I gotta pass emissions this summer haha.


Oh with a CAT? that's pretty good then ;)

4th gear always

PS. it doesnt matter what gear you use on Dyno Dynamics - as long as it's a higher gear, 3rd, 4th 5th it will always read within 1-2 hp of the other gear.

again proving the ramp up, inertia effect of the DJs

[steve shadows]

also I would recommend this over PFC forever to infiniti

how do I get a copy of the software? so I can tune people's nis-tunes?

It would really help me in my abilities to supplement such a wonderful product with it's full realizations and possibilities if you know what i mean

make it happen

[1989rps13]

looks like i found the alternative from an safc tune ..nice ill be doing this shit later this year for sure!!!! 300 to the wheels if thats correct that is more than enough for a street car! woo lightweight car + good power thats awesome shit right there

[smelly240]

buy the software from either 4x4le or plmsdevelopments.com

[DALAZ_68]

im just playing the waiting game, :faint:

BTW, i might just get a single piece drive shaft and ne clutch for shits and giggle...bushings should be getting done next weekend...maybe suspension...but doubt it

[4x4le]

also I would recommend this over PFC forever to infiniti


Im glad someone else said it. I sound too biased when I say it.

how do I get a copy of the software? so I can tune people's nis-tunes?

we sale the individual user version for for $150 and it limits you to being able to access only 3 different address files and up to 5 different ecus. All of the features are there though, just limited use

And the full unlimited tuner version is $415 and it also has unlimited tuning through emmulators. So on daughter boarded consult ecus, you can have the consult port plugged in and have an emmulator on the daughter board and real time tune through the nistuen software similar as to how you would with a nistune board and then you just need to burn chips when your done. Lots of tuning shops use nistune for this as it is by far a superior platform than the free tuner programs. Nistune also works with calium rt boards.

If you were wanting the single version you can update later to the tuner version for a little more than the difference.

If you have any questions pm me. I dont want to jack his thread anymore.

[Hawaiian240]

Hey, Brandon. Just talked to Andy a little while ago. I decided to get the consult now and go with the Nistune later when I am in Virginia. Just put the order in.

Thanks for your help last night with all my questions!

Did that S14 SR20DET FSM work for you? Like I said, it's not the best copy.

[4x4le]

Cool, thanks for the order and hope to hear from you in the near future. The fsm looks good, I just looked at it. I can deal with it because I can actually read it and thats all that matters to me.

No problem for the help, Thats what Im here for

[endlessboost]

I talk to Brandon acouple of days ago about a nistune for my ka and he was extremely helpful. I don't know much about the tuning realm of the sr or ka world but he took his time in explaining how some off the stuff works. I dont even have an ecu from him yet but he was explaining how good they were and i was SOLD! Il def be getting a nistune from him in the next week or 2. My only question is, if i get my tune somewhat good and bring it to a tuner to have him fine polish it can i just bring the software to him with all my user information and use his laptop? Are you able to install the software on more than one computer?

[4x4le]

I talk to Brandon acouple of days ago about a nistune for my ka and he was extremely helpful. I don't know much about the tuning realm of the sr or ka world but he took his time in explaining how some off the stuff works. I dont even have an ecu from him yet but he was explaining how good they were and i was SOLD! Il def be getting a nistune from him in the next week or 2. My only question is, if i get my tune somewhat good and bring it to a tuner to have him fine polish it can i just bring the software to him with all my user information and use his laptop? Are you able to install the software on more than one computer?

Thanks for the kind words, but I really dont want to jack the op's thread.
He started this thread in order to show how nicely his tune was done and just gave credit to the people and companies involved.
Please ask your questions here (http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/236091-nistune-questions-get-them-answered-here.html#post2587431). I made that thread so I wont possible jack someones thread just for posing in it. Ill quote your questions and answere it there. Thanks.

[steve shadows]

Im glad someone else said it. I sound too biased when I say it.



we sale the individual user version for for $150 and it limits you to being able to access only 3 different address files and up to 5 different ecus. All of the features are there though, just limited use

And the full unlimited tuner version is $415 and it also has unlimited tuning through emmulators. So on daughter boarded consult ecus, you can have the consult port plugged in and have an emmulator on the daughter board and real time tune through the nistuen software similar as to how you would with a nistune board and then you just need to burn chips when your done. Lots of tuning shops use nistune for this as it is by far a superior platform than the free tuner programs. Nistune also works with calium rt boards.

If you were wanting the single version you can update later to the tuner version for a little more than the difference.

If you have any questions pm me. I dont want to jack his thread anymore.

I still think, and no disrespect that if you are truly serious - a Haltech EMS or Rytech Tomei plug and Play unit are the only bullet proof way to go.

Because in my experience as a dyno-tuner and having about 7-8 years experience just drag racing, blowing up, re-testing and finding all the limits of stock SR20s, a REAL-TIME fully programmable EMS is the end all.

Being able to adjust a parameter in real time and instantly see how it effects tractive effort and wheel force/energy on a brake-eddy dyno is what makes cars tuned in this fashion have several tens or hundreds more HP, more throttle response and especially more mechanical efficiency

If the Nis-Tune equipt board allows this then it might be the next best thing in PRICE to the power fc or similar units.

I do not see the software as a worthwhile investment for myself though and it really makes me think the people at Nis-Tune have not fully thought out their business model.

If I were them I would be issuing the full software to premier dyno tuners in order to make the unit more sourceable.

The only time i recommend against a certain EMS or unit for tuning is when the support is shrouded by the father company in order to give favoritism to only certian "dealer" shops or when the Unit is a hassle or cheaply made or backed.

I think offering the full unlocked tuner software to the number one tuners will make them a speaker box and more capable to offer their knowledge and services to customers and would also increase the chances in which a tuner recommends the product to thier clients as the EMS, because the Tuner will have backing from the Hardware installer/selling as well as support + background and proprietary knowledge of said hardware like Nis-Tune.

I would send this message up the chain if I were you/dealer or other relationship with Nis-Tune.

This remains to this day why I believe the Motec based HALTECH company has it right. Full open source software (you can go right now and download it and play with it) infitiite pin setups and full configurabilty and email support especially for tuners who recommend or use haltech on their own shop cars.

This is why they are a God in this particualar niche market. This is why I will always recommend them as the end all unit and by far the most efficient one to tune.

But for cost/benefit - if some adjustments were made to the strategy of the Nis-Tune business model, it might have shot as a 2nd tier competitor to lower placed products in this market.

So let's get that software out to the public and let's make the hardware installation, modification of ECUs and chips/parts the money maker for Nis-Tune.


but don't say I told them so ;)

[UNISA JECS]

Being able to adjust a parameter in real time and instantly see how it effects tractive effort and wheel force/energy on a brake-eddy dyno is what makes cars tuned in this fashion have several tens or hundreds more HP, more throttle response and especially more mechanical efficiency

If the Nis-Tune equipt board allows this then it might be the next best thing in PRICE to the power fc or similar units.

Nistune does do this as long as your in "Tuner Mode", you can blow your shit up to if you wish in REALTIME to. You can tune on the fly and save on the fly.

[4x4le]

^^ Yes, but I believe that the points he is making is that some of the full standalones offer certain other things that nistune cannot due to it still being a modified stock ecu. You probably have higher than 16x16 resolution with the standalones he is used to working with and your stuck with 16x16 due to the stock ecu with nistune. This is no biggy to me and to most. With most standalones you can tune and operate your car map based and you cannot with nistune. Personally I like maf sensors better but that gets down to a preferance thing there, but no biggy to me then with nistune.

And steve, I know exactly what your saying as far as the software goes. I have discussed this with them well before I ever joined zilvia. I voiced my opinion on it that is going to be that. Its their business and im not going to try to interfere. People dont seem to mind paying for it so its no sweat off my back. What you might not know about nistune is that your not required to have a nistune board in order to tune your ecu with nistune. You can burn chips or use a calum rt board. So if they gave it away it could possibly hurt their business indefenatially. Writing a software program like this is not a simple task either and If he feels like being paid for his work then that is up to him. Also, the nistune program is still under allot of developement. Once its 100% complete its highly possible that there might be a free version that will allow you to tune YOUR (1) nistune board and no chip tuning or saving and modifying bins for bench tuning purposes, but this is just speculation on my part.
The point is, this business model may not be the final one. Nistune is just now really catching on and it really hasnt been out long either. This year alone it has probably tripled in popularity, sales, and dealers for it. He is probably spending close to what he takes in on engines, ecus, cars, and other equipment just to perfect the whole nistune package.

[steve shadows]

Great, well I am glad that you are in a position to give direct feedback.

This is what made Haltech so good over the last several years too, is allowing good open channels of feedback from the distributors and tuners on technical and business strategy even.

[4x4le]

My car was sponsored by NIStune even before I sold nistune to anyone, I made a few sales and then ended up becoming a dealer through my friends business AVP. Anyways, I do chat with Pete Liebig (plms) and Matt Brown (NIStune) often through emails. I dont want to unwelcome myself though, as they have been great to me so far. Im positive supply and demand is a huge factor as well.

[slider2828]

Damn I want one to replace my emanage. The price point is perfect, but I like to be able to change settings without a laptop all the time... Oh wellz...

[lazysk8er2]

nice info. z31 guys love nistune. nice to see its available for sr's. def subscribed.

[Teambadrun]

So you make 300rwhp out of a standard turbo with standard cams and cat?

wow.. so foolish.


I wonder why we can't make 220rwph from this?? must be a super-high reading dyno?

[smelly240]

Its a t28 douche bag. The 300hp mark gets hit regularly in aus, japan, peru wherever with a t28.

[Teambadrun]

300 at the engine,
sure.

[Teambadrun]

235 RWKW 17.35PSI

aka 314rwhp which is what this car made.


That is 3Kw less then what my friend makes with his 2871R, Jun 264.11.6mm lift cams and 18psi boost.


wow.. AWSOME!! Im Jelous your dyno reads high!!

[murda-c]

I like how it's impossible for you to believe that maybe YOUR dyno is wrong.

[smelly240]

OR - that he just sucks.

No worries tho - hes a liar....

[Teambadrun]

I like how it's impossible for you to believe that maybe YOUR dyno is wrong.
shinji minowa makes 290rwhp or so with his s15 turbo, 280degree camshafts 12.5mm lift, solid lifters, and high boost, ported head chambers.


its definately your dyno's.. the Dynojet ones

[djcobra]

For some reason i'm having trouble believing those dyno numbers, but who am i to judge or say such things. I've always thought that getting over the 300whp club you will need cams, but from your dyno graph you've proved me wrong.

My current Setup:

S14 Kouki SR motor
GT28RS
HKS Step 2 Cams 256in/264ex
HKS Step 2 Valve Springs
HKS 555cc Injectors
Splitfire Coils
Apexi Metal Gasket 1.1mm
Peakformance Retainers
3" HKS hi Power catback
Z32 MAF
Power FC
Blitz FMIC

bleh bleh, and it yield around ~330whp at 14.75 psi on dynojet CF: SAE Smoothing: 5.

The car was tuned by a legit HKS dealer here in Calgary who apparently tunes cars with PowerFC without any issues.

Anyways, kudos to you, but i'm going to favor my Aussie mate...

Steve.

[Teambadrun]

Haha yeah, id personallly be saying your dyno reads quite high too but considering you have step 2 cams and what not it might be possible!! the 28RS is just about the same size as a HKS GT2530 and they seem to be making 300-330rwhp with similar mods to you!! however on alow 15psi well done to you man!!

[s14unimog]

I'm also a Nistune owner and have very little experience in the realm of tuning. One thing I do like about the Nistune is the consult gauges and display. Being able to see check engine codes or faulty sensors has been a huge help in the search for electrical gremlins. Once I get a little more comfortable with the software, I was thinking of doing a small walk through of the Nistune system up and running on a car. I really think it would help its popularity.

djcobra, those are good numbers but to be expected. You've hit the limit of that turbo. I had a similar setup and made 330rwhp @ 15psi and 18psi, but the power came on faster at 18. I've since switched to the FP 20G; I've seen 350rwhp @ ~15psi on a few setups. Mines almost broken in, so I'll post some results soon


BTW: Brandon @ AVP is a beast. Very knowledgeable and not a dick in the process. I've referred his name/shop everywhere I can.