It Kills Brain Cells.

[Fries]

The Union: The business behind getting high. (http://blip.tv/file/1356143/)

I know Zilvia does not condone the posting of illegal activities. So don't be a fucking fucktard and state that you smoke.

I don't normally enjoy documentaries, but this one is very well done.

The story goes into detail to correct misconstrued information about cannabis [Destroys brain cells; addictive; gateway drug]
As well as "hinting" the reasons that cannabis will not be legalized [for a while anyway].

History on where it came from and VERY interesting facts about practical uses of marijuana. [We're allowed to purchase and use items made from industrial cannabis yet not grow it in USA]

Definitely a super educating and entertaining video. I promise you'll be laughing about our policy by the end of the movie.

[lflkajfj12123]

in for later

about an hour and a half long

too late to start it now

[RiversideS13]

i really hated your display picture. it kills my eyes and my testicles

[DisEpyon]

i really hated your display picture. it kills my eyes and my testicles

i agree man, its disturbing to read your posts because of that picture.

[Fries]

i really hated your display picture. it kills my eyes and my testicles

i agree man, its disturbing to read your posts because of that picture.

I hate the fact that neither of you capitalize the first letter in your sentence.
I don't have perfect grammar or whatever the hell it's called so I won't bitch about it.
Someday, I'll find something worthy to put there. Until then, you're going to have to suck it up sweet hearts.

[GSXRJJordan]

Hahaha. I'm watching it now... great stuff.

Of course, if anyone watches is, it's pretty much preaching to the choir. I love Jesse Ventura's part though ~

[iwishiwas-all*]

beerrhnij ijom

[theronin]

they wont legalize because they cant tax it. too easy to grow. lame i know.

[Freddy]

they wont legalize because they cant tax it. too easy to grow. lame i know.

agree, if you look at alcohol and cigarettes with all there taxes and licensing, well in canada anyway

thanks op for link will make my buddies watch this

[1ZlowZ]

I don't smoke but I have a question. I'm 16, I have a 4 year old sister. If I get caught smoking anything is there a chance that my sister could get taken away by CPS?

[murda-c]

since you aren't really her parent i don't think so.

unless you're her legal guardian, then maybe they'll take her away if you get incarcerated or something.

[Fries]

Everyone says legalize. Tax it, make money.
It would make money.
But with SOOOO many people growing, it would be signifiantly cheaper. Also more readily available so maybe it would still make money.

The real issue is our economy. It would make money, but would it make enough to cover most the wages of all the officers that lose their job when a narc isn't very important any more?
Pharmaceutical wont be happy. Tylenol or just smoke a joint? You'd better believe these companies have enough money to toss at a politician to help him say no to legalization.

I just love the part where they cant prove that smoking does ANYTHING negative to your body. Lung cancer? No. Brain cells? Possibly stimulates them not destroys. etc etc.

[VROOOM]

i think it would still make money. remember stoners are lazy. they would rather go to the store and buy some weed than grow it.

[ZilviaKid]

just watched it. very well done video.

[sillyvia13]

i think it would still make money. remember stoners are lazy. they would rather go to the store and buy some weed than grow it.

FYI*
its not illegal, its a medical drug... I have many friends on this medicine.

and its a weed bro. you dont do nothing to it. its grows no matter fucking what... which makes it a great plant for us stoners to grow... set it and forget it...lol.

DID you KNow
THe sweet lovely mary jane plant is the ONLY PLANT ON THIS PLANET YOU CAN TELL THE MALE FROM FEMALE! Interesting... God made it easy for us to find it SAWEEET.

I gotta go smoke breakfast...

and Fries, that bitch is FUGLY! I beg you to kill her in the face...
I was on a drift forum in england and some duder had it... I almost died... lmao.

and to the kid smoking bud around his 3 yrs old... just dont meng. Have a sense of respect. you dont smoke butts around them dontr smoke... anything.. around them


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[shmiddy]

some states legilize it because they say the sentance they give out for having weed is more damaging than the drug itself.

i think its a true statement imo

[sillyvia13]

some states legilize it because they say the sentance they give out for having weed is more damaging than the drug itself.

i think its a true statement imo

Mass, just passed a law, $100 fine for under 1 oz. guess how many people walk around with $100 bill and a oz...lmao.

:trogdor: lite me dragon man!

[YoungGun]

Pretty interesting.

It brought up a lot of points that I haven't heard yet.

LOL at joe rogan and jesse ventura...pretty cool guys.

[stiizy]

some states legilize it because they say the sentance they give out for having weed is more damaging than the drug itself.

i think its a true statement imo

dude you know where we're from they don't give a fuck...

Back when i use to smoke and 5-0 would pull up and be like put that out....

Now they don't even fine you for under 6oz they make you clean a park for 2 days.....

[shmiddy]

dude you know where we're from they don't give a fuck...

Back when i use to smoke and 5-0 would pull up and be like put that out....

Now they don't even fine you for under 6oz they make you clean a park for 2 days.....

true..... but i rather pay the 100$ than be in the park in this weather cleaning up shit lol

[HalveBlue]

Can't beat the NL!

Seriously.

[VROOOM]

FYI*
its not illegal, its a medical drug... I have many friends on this medicine.

and its a weed bro. you dont do nothing to it. its grows no matter fucking what... which makes it a great plant for us stoners to grow... set it and forget it...lol.

DID you KNow
THe sweet lovely mary jane plant is the ONLY PLANT ON THIS PLANET YOU CAN TELL THE MALE FROM FEMALE! Interesting... God made it easy for us to find it SAWEEET.

I gotta go smoke breakfast...

and Fries, that bitch is FUGLY! I beg you to kill her in the face...
I was on a drift forum in england and some duder had it... I almost died... lmao.

and to the kid smoking bud around his 3 yrs old... just dont meng. Have a sense of respect. you dont smoke butts around them dontr smoke... anything.. around them


oh i know, i have many friends that get medicinal stuff. its really easy just go to the doctor pay your 200 and you can get a license.
i also know many stoners who wouldnt grow weed they would just buy it. growing outdoors is cheap and easy but inside is a different story not everyone has a place to grow outside.

[ESmorz]

I wouldn't grow my own shit.

Too much work, most people who smoke enough weed to help the economy don't have the drive to grow it haha.

Corn is legal and I love it. You don't see me growing it though.

[MikeisNissan]

I don't smoke but I have a question. I'm 16, I have a 4 year old sister. If I get caught smoking anything is there a chance that my sister could get taken away by CPS?

No, unless you're doing it in front of her and she tells the cops, or being an ass like trying to sell bud to her friends?

[zeitgeist]

I really liked the documentary on National Geographic with Lisa Ling(sp?)

But legalization would do a ton of good for the world. Crime would plummet, the government wouldlt waste billions, and people wouldnt struggle to pay for medicine, it prevents many illnesses which would mean less people in the hospitals, and I could go on. Hopefully when all these old farts die off we can get something done. But Im getting high regardless :)

[steve_o1989]

I don't think that most people would grow there own. For too many people it is recreational and there for not worth the effort. When you smoke it once in a while, you aren't going to go through the hassle of setting up a grow op. when you can just run down to the store and pick up a gram.

I think it is straight up a fucking joke that it is illegal. I have thought that for a long time now. Look at the problems caused by alcohol and tobacco. Both are addictive, both kill millions, yet both are legal? What the fuck is going on.. Yet a drug that is completely harmless, and actually has benefits is termed as a "bad drug" and made illegal, making way for a huge world of crime that revolves around drugs.

I could see it becoming legal in Canada, not so much in the states though.

Oh, and the video is awesome. Watch it.

[mrmephistopheles]

FYI*
its not illegal, its a medical drug... I have many friends on this medicine.

and its a weed bro. you dont do nothing to it. its grows no matter fucking what... which makes it a great plant for us stoners to grow... set it and forget it...lol.

I gotta go smoke breakfast...



I can tolerate your opinions and your conspiracy theories, but no matter what you think, marijuana is still illegal. I won't have you spreading misinformation and discussing illegal activities. While I'm leaning more toward marijuana legalization lately, I won't put Zilvia.net into harm's way by allowing you to continue discussing illegal activities.

I'm not ignoring the fact that some states allow the prescription of marijuana as a medicine - I know that. The federal government still outlaws it in any form, and last time I checked, federal law was higher than state.

[drftmark]

LOL this has all the same people that were in American Drug War- the last white hope.

[ericcastro]

:blah::blah::blah:

....hope you all decide to grow up at sometime
cause the guys that dont,.....well,....its pretty sad.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/castro_castro/79ed802f.jpg



I don't see how people like to live high??
Its not like alchohol.
Its in your system for awhile
i could preach and talk about all the test, but pot heads don't listen.

But i do know that i wouldn't like to spend my life on drugs from a psychiatric ward.
Stuff that numb your brain, your feelings, slow your functions and make everything seem fine.
So why would you choose to do the same thing with weed?? lmao!:loco:
my :2c:

[Fries]

:blah::blah::blah:

....hope you all decide to grow up at sometime
cause the guys that dont,.....well,....its pretty sad.

I don't see how people like to live high??
Its not like alchohol.
Its in your system for awhile
i could preach and talk about all the test, but pot heads don't listen.

But i do know that i wouldn't like to spend my life on drugs from a psychiatric ward.
Stuff that numb your brain, your feelings, slow your functions and make everything seem fine.
So why would you choose to do the same thing with weed?? lmao!:loco:
my :2c:

Why do you assume everyone that smokes weed smokes constantly everyday?
I know that when I was 16-18 I partied all the time got drunk all the time. It was awesome, I was being a little bad ass! As I got older and Alchy got more accessible I got tired of it.
I was being a rebel going against the system with a group of people and it was cool.

If it were legalized there would be an immediate EVERYONE getting high for a while [because its now legal] but soon, it would be like alcohol; Legal and no longer cool just something that alot of people do. Obviously there'd be people that abuse it, but there's people that abuse everything.

"if" I smoke and only do it on certain occasions. [Had a long ass week at work, smoke a joint and go to sleep; Want to feel a little funny at a party but I don't want to be sick the next day] Does that mean I'm immature need to grow up?

"IF" I smoke weed does that automatically make me a lazy piece of shit scum bag that's worthless to the world?
Stereotypical pot smokers are the ones that do it for attention. This is the reason that it's looked so down upon.
If the U.S. would just take a look in the mirror remember that they've smoked a few times in their life and realize that they're no worse off then their straight edge neighbor, a lot of things would change.

Sadly, this isn't about our rights or what we as a people want. It's about money.
Too many jobs would be lost if it was legalized... Too many powerful companies would lose stock. It won't happen.
I'm sure there's a way to recirculate those jobs back into the economy with growers, etc; Seriously though, who actually thinks anything through in the USA?

What's Obama's stance?
-Fries

[steve_o1989]

:blah::blah::blah:

....hope you all decide to grow up at sometime
cause the guys that dont,.....well,....its pretty sad.

I don't see how people like to live high??
Its not like alchohol.
Its in your system for awhile
i could preach and talk about all the test, but pot heads don't listen.

But i do know that i wouldn't like to spend my life on drugs from a psychiatric ward.
Stuff that numb your brain, your feelings, slow your functions and make everything seem fine.
So why would you choose to do the same thing with weed?? lmao!:loco:
my :2c:


Why does it seem that you automatically assume that you have to abuse marijuana if you use it? Or that if it was legal everyone is going to abuse it?

What difference is it if someone lights up a joint or crushes a 12pack? Either way you are out to alter your mind state. You won't be able to tell that you smoked last night, but on the contrary, you will know that you were drinking (unless you are an alcoholic).

So many people drink to "numb your brain, your feelings, slow your functions and make everything seem fine" define: alcoholic.

Marijuana works different. You have one joint, your high. Once your high, your not going to go smoke an O because you want to get fucked. Granted some people smoke more than others, and some may try to abuse it, but it's not getting you anywhere.

It isn't like alcohol where you have one drink, you have another, and another and another until you are puking on the floor...because obviously if know one can smoke pot without abusing or being a stoner than surely you can't drink responsibly. It is a drug too, which alters your feelings, so you must automatically be a drunk...right? Didn't think so.

As for it being in your system longer, yes. Hell meth is out of your system sooner, so is it better? THC stays in your system longer, but it isn't still effecting your system unless you smoke so much that your braincells are saturated with THC, and then your though process will slow a bit. The reason it shows up longer is because THC is stored in fat cells.

i could preach and talk about all the test, but pot heads don't listen.

Please do. I am not a pot head, I actually don't smoke it at all, and I would love to listen. I like seeing both sides of the argument. I am serious too. I would like to hear what you have to say.

[ESmorz]

Who the fuck cares.

It will never be legal.

The war on drugs employs far too many people. It is a critical self perpetuating cycle to the system. Having drugs illegal is better for the economy. You have to employ more people to "stop" it.

[SlideWell]

AMAZING! i just finished watching it. an epic sense of truth.

[SR2Zero]

Good video. Very informative.... Liked the facts about the tests on the monkey's the gov used... and that 1/104 pot users do other drugs.

[SochBAT]

Amazing video.

Watched it with the GF and a buddy while he was playing WaW Zombies, and he just up and turned it off. haha.

[az_240]

The system is messed up. Its all about money and job security. Just have to deal with it the best you can without getting caught up.

Take Salvia for instance.... it is the strongest hallucinogen of any drug. If you smoke a strong enough concentration from a proper setup you will literally be in hell.

How is a drug like that still legal? I can go to the local smoke shop and pick some up for fairly cheap any time I want.

Another one I don't get is how someone selling drugs gets more time than murder? Isn't murder like the sin of sins?

[ericcastro]

Take Salvia for instance....
How is a drug like that still legal?
The way the news has been getting all drama queen over it, it may not be legal long.


Another one I don't get is how someone selling drugs gets more time than murder? Isn't murder like the sin of sins?
Think about how many deaths a drug dealer is partially reponsable for. If not directly from overdose. Think of how many lives they ruin. How many people move on from one drug to the next because of them. How many violent crimes and burgluries are commited to buy drugs.
It makes alot more sense when you think about it like that.

Of course, the time for slanging weed is pretty steep in comparison to the damage of other drugs imo.
But if they made it alot less, it would be like saying, "weeds illegal, but its not that bad".
illegal is illegal.
rules are rules.
most people in the world over 26 could give a shit if weed is legal or not. You grow out of it, stop smoking and have bigger worries in life.

[illvialuver]

i really hated your display picture. it kills my eyes and my testicles
I agree, every time I see Fries post I want to scratch my eyes and laugh at the same time, such a confusing feeling.:tweak:

Sometimes I think about starting a poll and having an online patition to make you change it. lmao.

[GSXRJJordan]

most people in the world over 26 could give a shit if weed is legal or not. You grow out of it, stop smoking and have bigger worries in life.

A few years ago I would have fought you tooth and nail over this statement, but goddamn if it's not true. I have grown out of it, for the most part.

[az_240]

Think about how many deaths a drug dealer is partially reponsable for. If not directly from overdose. Think of how many lives they ruin. How many people move on from one drug to the next because of them. How many violent crimes and burgluries are commited to buy drugs.
It makes alot more sense when you think about it like that.



For weed there are 0 cases of reported deaths.

The number of deaths cigs/alcohol are responsible for far surpass any illegal drug...

Your logic is like saying the Circle K clerk is responsible for the death of Uncle Albert who got cancer from the cigs he bought.

It is the individuals choice how far they go with the drug.


illegal is illegal.
rules are rules.


It's this kind of thinking that fuels corruption in America^

[ericcastro]

For weed there are 0 cases of reported deaths.
The number of deaths cigs/alcohol are responsible for far surpass any illegal drug...
Your logic is like saying the Circle K clerk is responsible for the death of Uncle Albert who got cancer from the cigs he bought.
It is the individuals choice how far they go with the drug.

It's this kind of thinking that fuels corruption in America^

I kinda think your missing my point.
Im not talking about cancer death as far as weed goes.
Im talking about weed leading onto other drugs, and those causeing death.
The whole "gateway drug" thing.
Or talking about people that are killed over drugs.
The amount of people drug dealers put into jail.

Larger drugs kill people.
But drugs are drugs and are illegal.
Thats not fueling corruption.
Drugs are considered illegal and so you face the same consequenses for whatever your selling or holding to much of.


But if you also read my post with an open mind, and not in an argumentive way.
I also state that the fines for weed do seem a bit high.:love:

[ericcastro]

A few years ago I would have fought you tooth and nail over this statement, but goddamn if it's not true. I have grown out of it, for the most part.

lol, I know.
weed and all the stuff about it is one of those things you really let go and could care less about.

And when your older, people that still smoke are kinda looked down upon. Like they never grew up or something. just not good to be that guy when your older

But when your young, your young.
so do young people stuff and be careful.

just wish people would put this energy into cause that fight for the planet or to help save humanity. :-/





edit: sorry for the double post. I messed up. I didnt wake and bake, but when your 32 and havent had coffee, its like the same thing. lol

[wheresthaboost?]

The way the news has been getting all drama queen over it, it may not be legal long.


Think about how many deaths a drug dealer is partially reponsable for. If not directly from overdose. Think of how many lives they ruin. How many people move on from one drug to the next because of them. How many violent crimes and burgluries are commited to buy drugs.
It makes alot more sense when you think about it like that.

Of course, the time for slanging weed is pretty steep in comparison to the damage of other drugs imo.
But if they made it alot less, it would be like saying, "weeds illegal, but its not that bad".
illegal is illegal.
rules are rules.
most people in the world over 26 could give a shit if weed is legal or not. You grow out of it, stop smoking and have bigger worries in life.

You're crazy man. I've personally sold pounds of bud and i have dozens of friends who have done the same and i have yet to hear of anyone dying. Pot dealers don't "ruin lives", people who slang hard drugs are the ones who ruin lives and the sketchy ass people they deal with are the ones who rob and kill for them. As far as "illegal is illegal", well that's just ignorant because hemp was once a huge industry and the outlaw of it wasn't based on any factual evidence it was based on racist depictions of "crazy blacks and wetbacks" killing white folks and greed. Weed isn't "that bad", anyone who has smoked it should know.. I'm about to spark up a bowl right now haha


Great video by the way, a lot of good facts and footage.

[ericcastro]

You're crazy man. I've personally sold pounds of bud and i have dozens of friends who have done the same and i have yet to hear of anyone dying. Pot dealers don't "ruin lives", people who slang hard drugs are the ones who ruin lives and the sketchy ass people they deal with are the ones who rob and kill for them. As far as "illegal is illegal", well that's just ignorant because hemp was once a huge industry and the outlaw of it wasn't based on any factual evidence it was based on racist depictions of "crazy blacks and wetbacks" killing white folks and greed. Weed isn't "that bad", anyone who has smoked it should know.. I'm about to spark up a bowl right now haha


Great video by the way, a lot of good facts and footage.

Actually, i did smoke it and stopped.
That's why i know.
I have seen numerous friends go to jail for a LONG time for weed.
And I know of people that have been murdered over it too.
And i know people that used to kill people over it.

Opium/heroine used to be legal.
cocaine used to be legal.

don't bring that week, it was once legal argument in here.

I do think they should make "HEMP" a legal lindustry.
And keep it seperate from the week you can smoke.
Cause that just makes too much sense.
But the people that are trying to legalize "HEMP" use won't seperate it from drug use.they try and piggyback the "weed" cause with the "hemp" cause, and then they just slow down "hemp" production.

[wheresthaboost?]

Actually, i did smoke it and stopped.
That's why i know.
I have seen numerous friends go to jail for a LONG time for weed.
And I know of people that have been murdered over it too.
And i know people that used to kill people over it.

Opium/heroine used to be legal.
cocaine used to be legal.

don't bring that week, it was once legal argument in here.

I do think they should make "HEMP" a legal lindustry.
And keep it seperate from the week you can smoke.
Cause that just makes too much sense.
But the people that are trying to legalize "HEMP" use won't seperate it from drug use.they try and piggyback the "weed" cause with the "hemp" cause, and then they just slow down "hemp" production.

I too have friends in jail for marijuana-related charges and it really isn't right the amount of time they get while repeated drunk drivers and pedophiles get off with a slap on the wrist. As far as people who get killed in relation to marijuana, its sad but if it were grown commercially and regulated by the government people wouldn't be killing for it. My point about it being outlawed was that it was done unjustly, marijuana has numerous medical benefits and unless it's smoked has little to no lasting negative side-effects. Heroine and cocaine are just plain bad for you, are very addicting and seriously ruin lives.

[SochBAT]

Lets go abuse Burger King Whoppers.

[murda-c]

I think the main reason for deaths due to weed is the fact that it's illegal and you have to buy it from drug dealers, who tend to be shady people.

I just don't think you can have a prohibition on one product, but then not have the same prohibition on something like alcohol or cigarettes which are, for a fact, much worse. It's hypocritical.

[ericcastro]

I too have friends in jail for marijuana-related charges and it really isn't right the amount of time they get while repeated drunk drivers and pedophiles get off with a slap on the wrist. As far as people who get killed in relation to marijuana, its sad but if it were grown commercially and regulated by the government people wouldn't be killing for it. My point about it being outlawed was that it was done unjustly, marijuana has numerous medical benefits and unless it's smoked has little to no lasting negative side-effects. Heroine and cocaine are just plain bad for you, are very addicting and seriously ruin lives.

I can agree with most of this.
it does affect your brain in alot of negative ways though.
but that would be an entire other thread. lol

but i do agree with the justice system having issues with the amount of time things get not making sense.
But it seems like in the last several years, they are moving to change this.
it just needs to be done slowly. You cant just say, ya know, weed is an illegal drug, but its not as bad as these illegal drugs.
The government cant descriminate like that.
thats what i meant by illegal is illegal.
It would start to create much bigger problems down the road with other laws.

Lets go abuse Burger King Whoppers.
Like all the shows on the TV about crazy obese people now days, lol

I think the main reason for deaths due to weed is the fact that it's illegal and you have to buy it from drug dealers, who tend to be shady people.

I just don't think you can have a prohibition on one product, but then not have the same prohibition on something like alcohol or cigarettes which are, for a fact, much worse. It's hypocritical.
i personally think they should make cigarettes cost $20 a pac. And Im a smoker of 15 years.
i always thought the cigarettes are BS.
what a waste of our money.
and alcohol was illegal for a time.
but alcohol side effects are much different than weed.
The effects of weed on your brain doesnt leave for days.
But I dont have the time or patients to expain all the test they have done on this.

[SochBAT]

I say to each their own.

I used to wake and bake all the time in high school. Didn't do well at all because i ditched so damn much and didn't care for it. I actually read a whole lotta books instead of being a bum while high because i personally felt it increased my brainpower. After HS, i quit.

I enjoy myself on a rare occasion, but it always pisses me off to see Cig smokes hate on pot smokers.

What kind of fucked up logic do they have that makes cigs better?

*EDIT* Not aimed towards anyone, general statement*

[murda-c]

i personally think they should make cigarettes cost $20 a pac. And Im a smoker of 15 years.
i always thought the cigarettes are BS.
what a waste of our money.
and alcohol was illegal for a time.
but alcohol side effects are much different than weed.
The effects of weed on your brain doesnt leave for days.
But I dont have the time or patients to expain all the test they have done on this.

See that's the thing, everyone always says "i know it's bad, but i don't want to explain why but it is!"

why is it such a big secret?

[ericcastro]

It just takes alot of time to explain a lifetime of knowledge about the subject. And smokers usually don't really wanna hear it anyways.

*From personal experience with a abusive step father that started with weed and led him to other, harder drugs.
*My mother become a counselor/drug and alcohol prevention specialist and a huge name in that community of people now days
*alateen, alanon, AA, NA, going though treatment myself, abusing different drugs and experimenting.
*watching my friend that continue to smoke, get left behind and others in life passing them by because they are unmotivated and content, yet blind to it all.
*Knowiing about all the testing they have done, like making airling pilots get high. Run flight simulators for a couple days straight, and them crashing the planes for 3 days after smoking, while the control group was perfect.
*Knowing that heavy maryjane use leaves a physical black build up that is actually visably seen on your brain, blocking nuero transmitters and numbing reaction time and intesity of feelings.
*dating girls that were smokers.
*being around alot of peopel that have quit and isten to them praise the amazing difference it made in thier lives and how they had no idea when they were smokers.
*numerous family members starting with weed and folloing it down the tube.


Ya know though. I actually dont have to much of a problem with it. I just dont think it being fully legal would be the best idea cause people might be driving high and not have fast enough reaction times when that kid runs out from between the cars to grab a ball.lol
Or haveing a someone stoned in a movie, just giggling away could really ruin it for ya, lol
Or what about someone high in the fast lane and your trying to hurry to work, and there bumping bone thugs and harmoney, or the greatful dead going 60mph. lol

I always look at it like the more people that smoke pot the easier my life will be. As people become less motivated, and slower, it makes it easier for me to get ahead of them in life and continue on my upward climb and to my dreams. lol
but im an evil fucker ;)

[ALTRNTV]

Drugs are bad.

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[drift freaq]

You're crazy man. I've personally sold pounds of bud and i have dozens of friends who have done the same and i have yet to hear of anyone dying. Pot dealers don't "ruin lives", people who slang hard drugs are the ones who ruin lives and the sketchy ass people they deal with are the ones who rob and kill for them. As far as "illegal is illegal", well that's just ignorant because hemp was once a huge industry and the outlaw of it wasn't based on any factual evidence it was based on racist depictions of "crazy blacks and wetbacks" killing white folks and greed. Weed isn't "that bad", anyone who has smoked it should know.. I'm about to spark up a bowl right now haha


Great video by the way, a lot of good facts and footage.

Wow it has gone to your brain. You just admitted on a public forum on the internet your a drug dealer. You know ISP's can be searched and tracked? Besides the fact that what you wrote above will probably get you pinked because this kind of stuff is not condoned by Zilvia.

In a word you prove Marijuana affects people. Oh and by the way like Alcohol it is addictive. I have first hand experience with that. No I no longer do it.

Though trust me anyone who says its not addictive is fooling themselves or they are complete normals who only smoke it once a month or so. If you smoke it daily? you're addicted.

[wheresthaboost?]

Wow it has gone to your brain. You just admitted on a public forum on the internet your a drug dealer. You know ISP's can be searched and tracked? Besides the fact that what you wrote above will probably get you pinked because this kind of stuff is not condoned by Zilvia.

In a word you prove Marijuana affects people. Oh and by the way like Alcohol it is addictive. I have first hand experience with that. No I no longer do it.

Though trust me anyone who says its not addictive is fooling themselves or they are complete normals who only smoke it once a month or so. If you smoke it daily? you're addicted.

lol I'm sure swat's going to track me down now and bust open my door :keke: Anyways, If what I said broke any rules than i'm sorry i replied to a thread about marijuana..

For the record: I USED TO sell marijuana, i don't fuck with that dumb shit anymore...

Also, marijuana does effect you but not in the way the abuse of alcohol for example does. It doesn't ruin lives. Yeah, many do experience a lack of drive and if you constantly smoke than your more likely to not do shit with you life but other than that, for the most part, high people are just like sober people.. just hungrier and with a better sense of humor :p

[DRavenS13]

There are people that do it, and people that don't. There are sub-divisions of people that USED to do it, but don't anymore (myself included), and now see that blazing was a total waste of time. It was fun when it was happening, but now when we look back at the time wasted, it just doesn't seem worth it anymore.

Legalizing it would serve whom, exactly? The people that truly use it for medicinal purposes, like cancer patients and the like, don't really complain much because they only carry the legal limit allowed, and follow the rules to a T, in order to not get that small window of privilege taken away. The people that fight so hard to get it legalized are the ones that want to have the right to get high like retards.

IMHO, if you want it to be legalized for the sole purpose of wanting to get stoned with no consequence, then you're not part of the "movement" for its legalization. You're only adding to the reason why they won't legalize it in the first place.

[ericcastro]

There are people that do it, and people that don't. There are sub-divisions of people that USED to do it, but don't anymore (myself included), and now see that blazing was a total waste of time. It was fun when it was happening, but now when we look back at the time wasted, it just doesn't seem worth it anymore.

Legalizing it would serve whom, exactly? The people that truly use it for medicinal purposes, like cancer patients and the like, don't really complain much because they only carry the legal limit allowed, and follow the rules to a T, in order to not get that small window of privilege taken away. The people that fight so hard to get it legalized are the ones that want to have the right to get high like retards.

IMHO, if you want it to be legalized for the sole purpose of wanting to get stoned with no consequence, then you're not part of the "movement" for its legalization. You're only adding to the reason why they won't legalize it in the first place.

Well said Lisa.
Nice to see you on here too :)
Coming to Teddy's Birthday??
Edgar's got the info.

[ESmorz]

Are you people still bickering about weed?

I only have one thing to add to this, if you think that Marijuana has more capability to ruin a life than Alcohol you are an idiot.

[MikeisNissan]

Who wants to get high?

[wheresthaboost?]

Legalizing it would serve whom, exactly? The people that truly use it for medicinal purposes, like cancer patients and the like, don't really complain much because they only carry the legal limit allowed, and follow the rules to a T, in order to not get that small window of privilege taken away. The people that fight so hard to get it legalized are the ones that want to have the right to get high like retards.


Legalizing it would serve the government and anyone who cares about marijuana to begin with. If pot were legal then the government could commercialize it, not only so people could legally get stoned but so we could gain the many useful resources (and money) that come from hemp. Fuel, fiber, food.. and we haven't even scratched the surface of the possibilities.

[wheresthaboost?]

Who wants to get high?

who's already high?

:D

[ericcastro]

Are you people still bickering about weed?

I only have one thing to add to this, if you think that Marijuana has more capability to ruin a life than Alcohol you are an idiot.

thats a retarded statement
and no one here said that either.

But thanks for your post. :goyou:


And you dont hear alot of people in treatment centers and rehab saying Alcohol was their gateway drug to harder things that ruined their lives and that of the family.
you do hear almost everyone say that reefer was the drug that really helped send them on to other things.

not making a stand on it either way, just giving you information so you can think about what you post next time.




anyways, if you actually wanna discuss it, then PM me.
Im done talking to stoners.

[ESmorz]

I never said you or anyone did. It was merely a comparitive statement. If alcohol is legal and is in MOST cases 100 times more destructive to ones life, then why can't weed be? Most young people I know started off drinking, then smoking, then doing whatever else losers do. The real gateway drug is stupidity.

We all know the real reasons. So there is no more reason to bicker about it.

[andmattsayd]

Legalizing it would serve the government and anyone who cares about marijuana to begin with. If pot were legal then the government could commercialize it, not only so people could legally get stoned but so we could gain the many useful resources (and money) that come from hemp. Fuel, fiber, food.. and we haven't even scratched the surface of the possibilities.


but thats not even the whole thing..
yeah the government can TRY and tax and control it
but honestly the government can NEVER control marijuana
its too easy to grow.

[wheresthaboost?]

but thats not even the whole thing..
yeah the government can TRY and tax and control it
but honestly the government can NEVER control marijuana
its too easy to grow.

And that matters why? If it gets legalized and people still grow it, more power to them. They'll never be able to produce quality bud as efficiently as major companies would be able to. Therefore, the people who don't have the time to raise a plant would find commercial bud to be of a higher quality and much more convenient. Also, marijuana would be worth way less than it is now so it wouldn't be worth the hassle to a lot of people.

[murda-c]

I've changed my stance on marijuana.

It should remain illegal because there are too many losers with no self control and they'd ruin it for all the people who don't suck at life.

God i hate humanity, having to babysit them takes the fun out of everything.

[Fries]

I've changed my stance on marijuana.

It should remain illegal because there are too many losers with no self control and they'd ruin it for all the people who don't suck at life.

God i hate humanity, having to babysit them takes the fun out of everything.

Alcohol is the same way. Abusers will abuse no matter what.

You guys are bickering over the same ish over and over. We all know the facts, we know about the pot heads and the normal smoke every now-and-thens.

It should be legal. If people want to get blitzed out of their mind, it's their right to do so. Weed doesn't kill people. You can't smoke so much that you die. You'll just pass out, wake up and cough. Done.
Alcohol will kill if you fucking go nuts.

That's the way I feel about it.

Show people the video. Its good to know the truth, rather than 40 yr old lies.
I'm pro legalization yet not a pot head.
And Im still not changing my avatar yet.:fawkd:

[ericcastro]

who's already high?

:D
I think you've been high this whole thread :keke:





I think that cheap asses want to have the shit be legal. lol
People that would rather grow crappy weed, than buy the stuff the companies would be putting out.

Cause the shits legal in CA.
Anyone can go to a doctor, tell em you have anything from trouble sleeping to back pains to headache to menstral cramps.
Basically anything that you can complain about, and cant be medically proven.
And they give you a weed card.
Then you go to the weed store, and buy government grown shit that owns anything on the street.

People dont even deal weed in CA anymore. Theres no market for it.
You gotta call your dealer, meet up with him on his schedule, blah blah blah,

the weed stores are all over.


So it is legal, for those who can afford it.
So stop crying
:)


/thread ???

[murda-c]

Look if we let people do what they want they'll make bad choices.

it's a fact of life, the only way to control the population is with laws. Then you can punish those who have enough disregard for the lives of other people to do it when it's still illegal.

[theronin]

alcohol is way more of a gateway drug than weed will ever be. i would rather be on the road where everyone is stoned as opposed to everyone being drunk. stoned people drive SLOW and are very cautious. drunk people drive FAST and are very stupid.

[murda-c]

you can't replace alcohol with weed.

I think they should both be outlawed.

[racepar1]

It is absolutely retarded for the US government to continue spending BILLIONS of dollars and letting gangs and cartels continue to kill eachother and innocent bystanders over marijuana. Marijuana is LESS dangerous and addictive then alcohol. NOBODY has ever overdosed from smoking pot, it is a physical impossibility. Shit is retarded and it needs to stop. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to not legalize it. The problem is that the conservative, fundamentalist christian, douchebag, politicians consider it a dangerous drug because they are still living in the fucking 50's like a bunch of morons.

Also for all those who think that smoking pot ruins your life, grow a brain. Some people have addictive personalities and get addicted to anything to the point where it takes over their lives. Pot happens to be easily accessable so a lot of those types of people end up addicted to that. Some of the most successful, and intelligent, people that I know smoke pot. It only takes over your life if you let it, just like alcohol. I used to be an epic stoner, but once my daughter was born my priorities changed and that was it for me. Smoking pot is the easiest thing I have ever quit doing.

[inertiaticism]

Everything in moderation, use responsibly.
Just like alcohol, fatty foods, soda, and OTC meds.

[murda-c]

If marijuana is legalized it will be bad for the economy and we will all have lest money.

[racepar1]

If marijuana is legalized it will be bad for the economy and we will all have lest money.

What? You're smoking something much stronger then marijuana! I would LOVE to hear the explanation for this so I can laugh my ass off.

[ericcastro]

can I just go back and reiterate my first statement

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/castro_castro/79ed802f.jpg

really guys, we dont need anymore people like this. Or anyone dressing like this.

[murda-c]

What? You're smoking something much stronger then marijuana! I would LOVE to hear the explanation for this so I can laugh my ass off.

cuz you'll have to fire all the cops, and DEA officers and all those prisons will close down duh.

and the tobacco industry will take a hit because why smoke that? lol.

and the cotton and logging industries will take a hit when they get competition from hemp farmers.

[drift freaq]

you can't replace alcohol with weed.

I think they should both be outlawed.

Excuse me they tried prohibition. It failed miserably and actually led to more organized crime. Hell how do you think the Mafia got their foothold? Prohibition! How do think the Kennedy's got into power? Prohibition. Old Man Kennedy was a run runner. How do you think Nascar started? Prohibition! All your early stock car drivers were moonshine haulers.
Now with all those negatives and the negatives that have come from illegal marijuana I feel it should be at least how it is in California.


Oh and if you think Alcoholics and drug addicts are weak willed people you're a fucking idiot. They have the will to go to the ends of the earth to get their needs fixed.
Normal people pale in comparision in the self will department.

Plus if you think society supports them you are again an idiot. You are a example of what is wrong with our society a society that sells drug and alcohol use through advertising all day long. Then wonders why it has a problem with the stuff.
Outlaw it? Ya go ahead be the idiot to try and fix the symptom rather than addressing the root of the problem!
Typical of a society in a big state of denial about the truth.

Oops hahahha I called Kennedy a negative I am sure the haters are going to come out of the wood work over that one.

[andmattsayd]

can I just go back and reiterate my first statement

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/castro_castro/79ed802f.jpg

really guys, we dont need anymore people like this. Or anyone dressing like this.

agreeeed. :boink:

[murda-c]

Excuse me they tried prohibition. It failed miserably and actually led to more organized crime. Hell how do you think the Mafia got their foothold? Prohibition! How do think the Kennedy's got into power? Prohibition. Old Man Kennedy was a run runner. How do you think Nascar started? Prohibition! All your early stock car drivers were moonshine haulers.
Now with all those negatives and the negatives that have come from illegal marijuana I feel it should be at least how it is in California.


Oh and if you think Alcoholics and drug addicts are weak willed people you're a fucking idiot. They have the will to go to the ends of the earth to get their needs fixed.
Normal people pale in comparision in the self will department.

Plus if you think society supports them you are again an idiot. You are a example of what is wrong with our society a society that sells drug and alcohol use through advertising all day long. Then wonders why it has a problem with the stuff.
Outlaw it? Ya go ahead be the idiot to try and fix the symptom rather than addressing the root of the problem!
Typical of a society in a big state of denial about the truth.

Oops hahahha I called Kennedy a negative I am sure the haters are going to come out of the wood work over that one.


Nascar isn't that bad, lol.


I was kidding though, i wouldn't present and argument that shoddy if i was serious lol.

I like weed.

[HalveBlue]

I personally share the opinion that all individuals should have the freedom to decide for themselves what they put in their bodies.

Obviously, they're going to live with the consequences.

But the fact of the matter is that drug prohibition has been a miserable failure in this country and around the world. Street prices have decreased yet profits have continued to increase. Demand is as higher as it's ever been. And the violence that results from the black market factor is ridiculously high.

This country needs drug awareness, not prohibition.

Because guess what, people are going to consume drugs, whether it's legal or illegal.

Let's not forget the realities of this issue, instead of just focusing on the extremes, anecdotes, and hypotheticals.

[Fries]

i personally share the opinion that all individuals should have the freedom to decide for themselves what they put in their bodies.

Obviously, they're going to live with the consequences.

But the fact of the matter is that drug prohibition has been a miserable failure in this country and around the world. Street prices have decreased yet profits have continued to increase. Demand is as higher as it's ever been. And the violence that results from the black market factor is ridiculously high.

This country needs drug awareness, not prohibition.

Because guess what, people are going to consume drugs, whether it's legal or illegal.

Let's not forget the realities of this issue, instead of just focusing on the extremes, anecdotes, and hypotheticals.

well said!

[ESmorz]

Weed is way better than Alcohol anyways.

If I was to ever smoke weed I just sit around and write music.

When I drink I want to go run around like an idiot and fuck anything that walks and isn't fat.

[ericcastro]

^LMAO

After i stopped smoking.
My homies always complained how they didnt get any girls.
i told em, I drink and have fun and get energiezed, while you roast a bowl, sit on the couch and end your own party early. lol

Now the quality of girls can go down when you drink of course. but if you leave that night, you never know the difference, LMAO!

[Fries]

I hate alcohol. I would have to drink to the point that I'm blitzed to enjoy myself. Otherwise I would drink until I'm tipsy then I just get tired.

If I were to smoke I'd do it then drink an energy drink. Feels awesome.

I have a story.
I've always bashed on beer goggles and all my friends bringing home uglies, because I'd never had it happen to me. [I never really got super wasted]

So this one weekend I decide to go to this little get together. When I show up its just a few friends playing beer pong and just one chick. She's good looking, not super hot or anything.

So 2 hours roll and I'm now completely gone.
I look over at this girl and think to myself "DAMN SHE IS HOT!". Then it hits me, she was only good looking a few hours ago... Infact I'm so messed up I honestly don't think I can see that far, it's all super blurry. All I can see is a silhouette of a woman[hopefully] and long hair.
I laughed at myself so hard I cried. Ever since then I've made sure to thoroughly check out any girl that I'm talking to when I've had a few to drink. :Ownedd:

[Silverbullet]

to expand on this video:

THC not only does not cause cancer, it helps prevent lung cancer. THC kills cancerous cells by cutting off the blood supply to those cells.

It also promotes brain cell growth in the hippocampus region of the brain.

source: WebMD 2004-present.

[ALTRNTV]

I have a question, say one person has a weed card which means they can smoke it legally, when you go take a
drug test for a job or school, will the THC findings be dismissed? I guess it all depends on the job and school stance?
I think I just answered my own question.

[racepar1]

cuz you'll have to fire all the cops, and DEA officers and all those prisons will close down duh.

and the tobacco industry will take a hit because why smoke that? lol.

and the cotton and logging industries will take a hit when they get competition from hemp farmers.



This is one of the stupidest things that I have ever read. There are PLENTY of other drugs to keep cops and DEA officers busy. You know busy with actual dangerous criminals. Legalizing marijuana will have no effect on them. Prisons will not close and VERY few prison workers will be layed off. The prisons are over stuffed with inmates and understaffed with guards and other workers as it is. Releasing minor drug offenders will only bring the system back in balance and probably result in better care, and more rehab and counciling programs, for the inmates that are left.

Nicotine is one of the MOST addicting substances on the face of the earth, smokers will NOT stop smoking. Besides out facist government is trying to outlaw tobacco anyways (land of the free huh?). Anyways the tobacco companies will end up being the major supplier of marijuana, which will actually create MORE jobs.

The logging industry clears land so there is no possible competition for them. The cotton industry is deeply rooted and already has all the land they need. I wouldn't anticipate any effect on them whatsoever.

The BILLIONS of dollars used to enforce anti-marijuana laws would be freed up and could be spent on actual important things, like healthcare reform. On top of that the thriving marijuana industry would CREATE an immense amount of jobs, far more then it would eliminate. The BILLIONS of dollars in tax revenues could also be spent on other actual important things to benefit our country.

Legalizing marijuana will NOT create more useless stoners. The people who are going to be useless stoners already ARE useless stoners. Being a useless stoner has nothing to do with smoking pot, it has to do with you as a person. A motivated person will STILL be a motivated person regardless of whether or not they smoke pot every once in a while. If pot didn't exist the useless stoners would STILL be useless, they just wouldn't smoke.

[renegade_ewok]

To those who talk about the gateway drug argument... Its only a gateway drug because its illegal and you have to deal with shady fucks. The alcohol culture doesn't really lead people on to any drugs other than cocaine... Drinking and cocaine goes together at the high life of celebrity and indulgence.

If you could go to 7/11 and get a 10 pack of joints... the guy who will sell you heroin, or even worse oxycontin, is cut out of the cycle. He's still there but you don't have to potentially meet those people. Whoever has been in the game knows this. There are "good" dealers and "bad" dealers, which dabble in everything. If someone wants to blaze and take it easy, be my guest. If it's legal I'll smoke it with you in broad daylight. Until then, however, getting an exposure to the underground requires you to go through some shady fucks.

[SR2Zero]

Oh and if you think Alcoholics and drug addicts are weak willed people you're a fucking idiot. They have the will to go to the ends of the earth to get their needs fixed.
Normal people pale in comparision in the self will department.

So true. People will go to the extremes for their fix.
And that's the first time I sucked a...
Wait..

[drift freaq]

So true. People will go to the extremes for their fix.
And that's the first time I sucked a...
Wait..

:rofl: bringing humor to a serious truth.

[ericcastro]

Its not the will that drives them.
Its the addiction that drives them.
If they had a strong will, then they would have a better chance of stopping.
This mainly relates to harder drugs though.
Pot heads are generally pretty lazy about things.
Meth addicts are high strung.
Funny how the drugs change your brain chemistry huh??

[lost_generation]

haha this thread rocks...I think everyone understands that alcohol can kill you if its overdone...and also makes you do worse things...not once in my life have I ever smoked a joint and woke up with herpies, but alcohol on the other hand....

haha... but seriously, I use to toke all the time, but i realized that when i did i never had any fun and just sat around "droned out" for hours... but sence i've stopped i tend to get things done and enjoy myself more

but if it were to become 50 state legal(medical or for enjoyment) i would rather have to drive 12hrs a little high than strait up sober(especially when you live in the great plains lol)

[ericcastro]

I think that if they were gonna make the hemp industry legal.
But use steril plants
the potheads wouldn't be fighting so hard for it.lol

they try and piggy back getting high legally with the advantages of hemp in industrial uses. lol

[joefresh]

I have been a Medical Marijuana user for many years now.
i go to school full-time and work part-time.
I smoke all the time. i hit the weed until my eyeballs bleed.
point is Bud effects everyone differently.

ps- i have never had the desire to try ANY drugs.

[ALTRNTV]

I have been a Medical Marijuana user for many years now.
i go to school full-time and work part-time.
I smoke all the time. i hit the weed until my eyeballs bleed.
point is Bud effects everyone differently.

ps- i have never had the desire to try ANY drugs.

Can you answer this question if you have any experience in it. Thanks.

I have a question, say one person has a weed card which means they can smoke it legally, when you go take a
drug test for a job or school, will the THC findings be dismissed? I guess it all depends on the job and school stance?
I think I just answered my own question.

[Matej]

My brain cells were killed by this thread. :(

[drift freaq]

Its not the will that drives them.
Its the addiction that drives them.
If they had a strong will, then they would have a better chance of stopping.
This mainly relates to harder drugs though.
Pot heads are generally pretty lazy about things.
Meth addicts are high strung.
Funny how the drugs change your brain chemistry huh??

Actually no Eric you have it backwards. This is a very old school misconception about the disease of addiction and obsessive compulsive behavior. It is actually the will and I have first hand experience with this. I speak from knowledge here.


Alcohol is an addictive drug just likes drugs because it is a mind altering substance that some people feel compelled to use on a destructive basis. Now its actually been noted by the AMA (American Medical Association)
That their is actually genetic differences between normal people and Alcoholics and addicts. In that sense that genetic difference also shows up in these people being extremely strong willed people. Again I have first hand experience in this.

Now as far as drugs go the spectrum of the effect and the addictive effect is broad. You could pretty much say caffeine is at the low end of the stimulant spectrum and it is indeed addictive. Trust me, I don't start my day without my coffee. LOL and I enjoy a cup in the evening and I will pretty much go anywhere to get one if I feel I need one. lol

Marijuana does have an addictive effect as well otherwise you would not have potheads. I am sorry but If you smoke it morning noon and night for whatever reason you are addicted. I love it when a pothead says they can quite anytime. Take it away from them see how long they last and what they do to find or get more. lol
Again first hand experience talking here.

Yes Marijuana can be a gateway drug, even alcohol can be. Guy gets drunk at bar friend offers him a line of coke or speed tells him it will sober him up a but make him less sloshed feeling he goes hell ya lets do it. Bam gateway! Same thing with weed. All the weed smokers want to say oh but weed is natural man. Alcohol is natural, cocaine has a natural form, Heroin has a natural form, Speed even has a natural form its called ephedra and it comes from a plant!

All of this stuff is addictive and can be addictive, whether or not one becomes addicted relies on several factors. People with the different gene are predisposed to it and more likely to become addicted to a drug or even sex or gambling.
Fact is a workholic is addicted to working and have extremely strong wills about working that some people would call a good work ethic, but if it is detrimental to their social life, family life, if it affects other people around them in bad ways. Then its a problem and its the same thing a disease of addictive behavior and obssesive/compulsiveness.

I love the drug takers and pot smokers that say oh I don't do that anymore, I just drink and these fucks go out and get drunk on several nights of the week. Thats like switching seats on the Titanic your ass is going to go down sooner or later. It may take longer with Alcohol, in fact it usually does for some reason, hard drugs bring people down to a bottom faster. In the end though it can and does happen.

Oh and on the Pot side, pot is fucking insidious, you can smoke it for years thinking you're fine not realizing how stupid it makes you. LOL not realizing you do it all the time or even caring for that fact. Its a very subtle in its addictive ways. Usually it take several years of casual smoking before one figures out they are addicted and they still think they can quite at a moments notice. LOL

Go ahead get baked, I did, thank god I realized and along with the other drugs and alcohol I did I sought help. I got tools and learned about how to deal with it and my fucking strong ass will that would get me into trouble if I did not work to not let it control me.
Trust me any of you fucks say I don't have a strong will meet me the fuck in person. Oh and yes I am clean and sober.

If you want to use drugs great, I have no problem with that, we all have to go down the roads we choose in life. I don't regret what I have done, or the fact that I partied from the age of 13 to 26. I probably drank more and took more and smoked more than most of you will do in lifetime.

I have learned and experienced and I am grateful because I would not be the person I am today had I not chosen that road.
In the end just don't fool yourself. If you use pot for legitimate medical reasons, great. If you smoke it a couple times a month recreational, great. If you use it every day day in and day out for years. Yup your a pothead. lol just admit it.
With all of that like I said before it should be legal in my opinion. It would have less attraction if it was and like others have said it would cut down on the amount of criminals and possibly be good tax revenue.

ah shit look I went and wrote an essay on it. LOL

[murda-c]

Actually no Eric you have it backwards. This is a very old school misconception about the disease of addiction and obsessive compulsive behavior. It is actually the will and I have first hand experience with this. I speak from knowledge here.

Well why not have the will to y'know, do the smart thing?

[joefresh]

Can you answer this question if you have any experience in it. Thanks.

hey man, this is strictly up to the testing party. in California atleast, it is considered legitimate medication, so if you posses a doctors prescription the THC test results might be waved..again it is up to the testing party and as time goes on it is only getting better for MMJ patients. good luck and any other questions i will try and answer them to my best ability!

[Matej]

Tetrahydrocannabinol makes me think I'm smart and creative y'all.

[joefresh]

haha i felt like a mad scientist the first time i made hash. extracting cannabinoids and trichromes! haha.

[ericcastro]

Actually no Eric you have it backwards. This is a very old school misconception about the.........
ah shit look I went and wrote an essay on it. LOL

See, I stopped myself from wasting time. lol.
And I havent caught up on research in the last several years probably. They were just finally realizing that Alcoholism is in the genes of some people. But people that dont have that gene can still get addicted people.
You feed something into your system, its gonna change your brain chemistry and your gonna end up "needing" after that.

Me and my mom usually talk about mental problems nowdays. She works for some really high profile, big money treatment centers in Malibu. She does alot of the intake now, lets other people deal with the patients, lol.

Tetrahydrocannabinol makes me think I'm smart and creative y'all.
lol, and PCP makes people think they can fly.....

[joefresh]

i dunno about flying but i did feel like i was floating. it was pretty intense.

[96Turbo]

why are people still claiming that weed is a gateway drug? Smoking a joint doesn't turn you into a drug addict like some of you are inferring

it's a logical starting point for a person that CHOOSES to alter their consciousness with drugs. When i go to the gym i'm not benching 300lbs my first time...gotta start somewhere, ya know?

If you decide that you really like working out and want to get buff, then you're going to work your way up (like someone who decides that their life would be best spent getting really, really high).

perhaps that's a bad analogy, but it's not weed's fault that people decide to use hard drugs. I've tried most everything short of sticking a needle in my arm....but i haven't done anything "hard" in a few years. It depends on your personality whether you're destined to be a hopeless crack fiend after smoking weed, or an occasional weekend toker.

weed does NOT make you stupid. It gives you a different perspective, opens your mind, makes you think in ways you never knew were possible, and god damn it everyone needs to listen to their favorite song high.

i liked the quote that said something to the effect of "the punishment is more detrimental to the individual than the effect of the drug"... I think that sums it up


You can relax and think things through instead of making a rash decision (weed vs. alcohol)

you can make a new friend instead of fighting someone (weed vs alcohol)

you can cruise down the road going exactly the speed limit with a big ass grin on your face listening to some good jams instead of driving recklessly, colliding with and killing a family in their minivan (weed vs alcohol)

you can have the foresight to STFU instead of blurting out some obnoxious shit that's bound to get your ass kicked (weed vs. alcohol)

you can wake up feeling refreshed and ready for a new day instead of lying in misery unable to eat or open your window blinds (weed vs. alcohol)

ALL YA NEED IS SOME GOOD SATIVA

[drift freaq]

why are people still claiming that weed is a gateway drug? Smoking a joint doesn't turn you into a drug addict like some of you are inferring

it's a logical starting point for a person that CHOOSES to alter their consciousness with drugs. When i go to the gym i'm not benching 300lbs my first time...gotta start somewhere, ya know?

If you decide that you really like working out and want to get buff, then you're going to work your way up (like someone who decides that their life would be best spent getting really, really high).

perhaps that's a bad analogy, but it's not weed's fault that people decide to use hard drugs. I've tried most everything short of sticking a needle in my arm....but i haven't done anything "hard" in a few years. It depends on your personality whether you're destined to be a hopeless crack fiend after smoking weed, or an occasional weekend toker.

weed does NOT make you stupid. It gives you a different perspective, opens your mind, makes you think in ways you never knew were possible, and god damn it everyone needs to listen to their favorite song high.

i liked the quote that said something to the effect of "the punishment is more detrimental to the individual than the effect of the drug"... I think that sums it up


You can relax and think things through instead of making a rash decision (weed vs. alcohol)

you can make a new friend instead of fighting someone (weed vs alcohol)

you can cruise down the road going exactly the speed limit with a big ass grin on your face listening to some good jams instead of driving recklessly, colliding with and killing a family in their minivan (weed vs alcohol)

you can have the foresight to STFU instead of blurting out some obnoxious shit that's bound to get your ass kicked (weed vs. alcohol)

you can wake up feeling refreshed and ready for a new day instead of lying in misery unable to eat or open your window blinds (weed vs. alcohol)

ALL YA NEED IS SOME GOOD SATIVA


Wow you really like to justify your pot smoking don't you? LOL.

[ESmorz]

Why shouldn't one be able to justify their consumption of marijuana?

Personally, I think it's quite egregious that to this day regular good folks who toke up once in a while are viewed as "criminals" or "dirty hippies" doing nothing with their lives.

I think we can all agree that it totally depends on the user if it will become a "gateway drug". If this was not the case I could say as much about guns. If you buy guns, pretty soon you will start using them a lot. You won't even realize it, then you will probably get tired of shooting cans and deer. So logically you will go shoot some people at your local mall.

It's really hard to have this conversation on this website.

:duh:

[drift freaq]

Why shouldn't one be able to justify their consumption of marijuana?

Personally, I think it's quite egregious that to this day regular good folks who toke up once in a while are viewed as "criminals" or "dirty hippies" doing nothing with their lives.

I think we can all agree that it totally depends on the user if it will become a "gateway drug". If this was not the case I could say as much about guns. If you buy guns, pretty soon you will start using them a lot. You won't even realize it, then you will probably get tired of shooting cans and deer. So logically you will go shoot some people at your local mall.

It's really hard to have this conversation on this website.

:duh:


Well if you start feeling the need to justify your usage then there is a chance you have a problem.
People who do not have a problem i.e. casual users who are not addicted do not feel the need to justify. It does not even enter their train of thought.

A non alcoholic does even think to justify having a drink a Alcoholic will find the excuse, and look for justification.

Mr Norml up there was stating so many reasons it starts to look like he is a stoner and a Pothead, maybe he is not. I was just laughing at it. You have seemed to take that rather to heart. You don't have a problem with smoking pot all the time too? do you? LOL

P.S. I don't view a casual pot smoker as a dirty hippie or criminal. Its their choice to do what they want to do.

[ESmorz]

Ah, I have never taken anything on this site to heart but, we all know the perils of the internet and it's lack of ability to convey emotion.

The fact of the matter is, even a once in a blue moon recreational user can be called a stoner or a druggy just for sparking up every once in awhile. When people start calling you that for no reason, I think it is perfectly fine to justify your actions. Just like if someone called me an alcoholic, I would be offended because I barely drink.

If I was to have ever smoked weed, I may have possibly tried other substances. It wasn't because of the weed. It was because I wanted to experience them. Life is all about experiences. Addiction is for the weak, know your limits and know when to say no. It's a human issue when it all comes down to it.

It's pretty much like that kid who did stupid shit all the time when you were a kid. You knew him, that kid who would always eat shit, then the next week he would be eating something more dangerous and it was a perpetual cycle of retardation. People are stupid and will always be until we get rid of them. Just because some people cannot excercise self control, doesn't mean most of gen pop can't. If you disagree, I digress to the gun analogy again.

It's almost not worth arguing about though. I guess my mind is just so feeble that I can't coherently string together thoughts as to why it is not legal if alcohol and tobacco are besides the fact that "they have massive lobbying power". Yet people still cling to these notions that it goes deeper than that...

:rofl:

[96Turbo]

Well if you start feeling the need to justify your usage then there is a chance you have a problem.
People who do not have a problem i.e. casual users who are not addicted do not feel the need to justify. It does not even enter their train of thought.

Mr Norml up there was stating so many reasons it starts to look like he is a stoner and a Pothead, maybe he is not. I was just laughing at it. You have seemed to take that rather to heart. You don't have a problem with smoking pot all the time too? do you? LOL


I'm just expressing my opinion on the issue by justifying the use of said substance....wasn't that the whole point of this thread?

And to just label me as a stoner/pothead isn't exactly fair either. Just because i believe in women's rights doesn't make me a woman.

I've been a victim of the ridiculous penalties for possessing a harmless plant, and therefore feel pretty strongly that others shouldn't have to go through the same bullshit i did when they've done nothing to harm others (or even themselves for that matter).