Israel ready to attack Iran

[ALTRNTV]

Informed sources in Washington tell Newsmax that Israel indeed will launch a strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities soon – possibly in just days as President George W. Bush prepares to leave office.

The reason: The time clock has begun to run out. Iran is close to acquiring a nuclear device under the control of its radical president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei said in June that Iran would have a nuclear weapon in as little as six months.

That six-month period has passed.

Reports of Israel’s decision to imminently launch strikes, although unconfirmed, would seem to contradict the Bush stance outlined in a front-page New York Times story last week, which asserted that Bush rejected a plea from Israel last year to help it raid Iran’s main nuclear complex.

The Times said Israel was rebuffed after it requested from the U.S. specialized bunker-busting bombs that it needs to attack Iran’s nuclear complex at Natanz. The U.S. also reportedly nixed permission to the Israeli warplanes to fly over Iraqi territory to reach Iran.

Israel’s requests to the U.S. for military assistance came as the Jewish state was reportedly angry over a U.S. intelligence assessment in late 2007 that concluded Iran had effectively suspended its development of nuclear weapons.

But an investigative report circulated by IAEA chief ElBaradei late last year disclosed that Iran was continuing to carry out uranium enrichment and had already established 6,000 centrifuges for enriching uranium, of which 3,800 were then in operation.

American intelligence officials now estimate that the figure is 4,000 to 5,000 centrifuges, enough to produce about one weapon’s worth of uranium every eight months or so, according to the Times.

The IAEA report estimated that Iran has obtained two tons of enriched uranium since its enrichment program was restarted at Natanz two years ago.

Last year 100 Israeli jets took part in an exercise over the eastern Mediterranean that was interpreted as a dress rehearsal for a possible attack on Iran.

And on Sept. 6 Israel launched an air attack against a site in Syria believed to be a nuclear-related facility containing material delivered by North Korea.

Former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton predicted that Israel would stage a raid against Iran's nuclear facilities if Barack Obama won the presidential election.

Bolton stated that he believed the Israeli attack would take place sometime between the day after Obama's win and his inauguration on January 20.

In an interview with FOX News, Bolton reasoned that Israel wouldn’t be able to hold off a strike on Iran any longer than that given Obama’s more conciliatory approach to Iran.

The Israeli government “would have to make a judgment whether to [strike] during the remainder of President Bush’s term in office or wait for his successor,” Bolton added.

William Perry, U.S. Secretary of Defense under President Bill Clinton, said that Obama would face a major crisis in his first few months in office over Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Perry, speaking at a foreign policy conference on Jan. 8, said that Iran is "moving inexorably toward becoming a nuclear power" and “it seems clear that Israel will not sit by idle while Iran takes the final steps toward becoming a nuclear power."

And former CIA officer Robert Baer, author of the new book “The Devil We Know: Dealing with the New Iranian Superpower,” told Newsmax in October that Iran was at that time probably months, if not weeks, away from war with Israel.

The repercussions of an Israeli attack are not clear.

Though Arab states remain openly hostile to Israel, many who belong to the Sunni branch of Islam fear the rise of a nuclear Iran, a nation dominated by Shiite imams. Gulf states like Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have been quietly pressing the U.S. to take action against Iran – and may secretly root for an Israeli attack.

But Iran, even without nuclear weapons, is a regional power. If attacked, they are likely to press proxy terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah to launch offensives against Israel and possibly the U.S.

Iran has warned in the past that it would launch a “missile blitz” against Gulf states if it is attacked.

And last July a senior Iranian official said the Islamic Republic would destroy Israel and 32 U.S. military bases in the Middle East if Iran is attacked over its nuclear program.

“Israel and 32 U.S. military bases in the region would not be out of the reach of our missiles and would be destroyed," the semi-official Fars News Agency quoted Mojtaba Zolnour as saying in a speech.

Zolnour is the deputy of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's representative in Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards.

Even more ominously, Iran has reportedly carried out missile tests for what could be a plan for a nuclear strike on the U.S.

© 2009 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

Newsmax.com - The Time Clock Has Run Out: Israel Ready to Strike Iran (http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/israel_iran_attack_plan/2009/01/12/170485.html)

[BoostedAuto]

Ah man, here we go...

[ALTRNTV]

But Iran, even without nuclear weapons, is a regional power. If attacked, they are likely to press proxy terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah to launch offensives against Israel and possibly the U.S.

Iran has warned in the past that it would launch a “missile blitz” against Gulf states if it is attacked.

Iran will be gone in seconds the second they attack U.S. soil.

[3-240's-N-aMule]

10 bucks says Israel gives them easy rape. Israel is too hardcore for iran to handle. I think that whole region needs ta take a different, more refreshing perspective on life and just chiilll...Drink a few beers, get laid by female worth a damn, but just Be coooll.... Gettin kinda old reading the papers everyday and these people are tryin ta ak a damn fool and causin all this instabilty.

[raz0rbladez909]

blow em all up, they're so mentally fucked up they hate you because you have different religious view than they do. Nothing will convince them otherwise, the only thing you can do with brainwashed people is to completely wipe them out:rl:

[TiNMAN]

all bad

[wheresthaboost?]

blow em all up, they're so mentally fucked up they hate you because you have different religious view than they do. Nothing will convince them otherwise, the only thing you can do with brainwashed people is to completely wipe them out:rl:

its sad but actually really true...

[2Slow40]

Everytime I hear about Israel and Iran, it makes me feel like I'm at a wild party. These two crazy/big/gang dudes are yelling at each other.

You want to hold them back and tell everyone to be cool. You know if these two start fighting they might (and probably will) fuck everything up for everyone else at the party. But you don't want to hold one back because the other dude and his crew might fight you.

What do you do? You say 'fuck this' and bounce. I'm not sure how that last part translates into the Israel/Iran situation... I'm not sure how we say 'fuck this' and bounce. lol

[mRclARK1]

I don't see Israel striking alone. Not soon anyway... The consequences of striking and not having a total success are to big. Kind of like destroying a bee hive... Get the whole thing the first time so none come out to bite you. Israel would have a tough time doing that without US or Western help. Even with nuclear weapons.

If it does happen though, and Israel strikes alone, the WORST thing Iran could do to itself is retaliate directly against the US, especially with a nuclear strike. The result would be Iran wiped off the fucking map by the US and most of its allies. You wouldn't believe the firepower that would rain down on that place...

Anyone who doesn't think that Iran is attempting to build a nuclear or long range missile strike capability is just plain stupid. They've been working on it since the 80's at least. Mostly with the help of North Korea (They've been importing scud missile tech from them as early as 1987), China and Russia primarily, both civilian and military and government and non-government agencies.

Iran is a menace. Period. Fortunately its regime also seems to be failing from the inside.

[Brian]

ah man, I want to finish my new car before this war happens.

The shit will hit the fan REAL hard.

[mRclARK1]

^^^ If it does happen it doesn't mean immediately that there will be raging conflict worldwide so profound that it will affect you and your car.

Israel has launched air strikes into Iraq as far back as 1981 over nuclear programs. A strike against Iran this time would likely produce similar results. A lot of sword rattling and threats from Iran, closure of oil flow to the west (higher gas prices) and encouragement of strikes by terror groups like Hamas and Al-Qaeda against the US, Israel and other western targets.

[Brian]

okay, you win.

[DirtyS14]

Iran is a menace.

And Israel totally isn't. :cj:

[VQMaxFan]

do it, as long as isreal buys our tanks and guns and whatnot... lol

[mRclARK1]

And Israel totally isn't. :cj:

Not saying I agree with everything they've done. But it boils down to this... Their attacks in the Gaza strip are due to the ceasefire being broken by Hamas. Hamas agreed to halt rocket attacks. They reduced them heavily... But they didn't stop. A cease fire means a CEASE fire. Not a reduce fire.

Also, don't believe all the media reports about Israel purposely targeting civilians.

What else but civilian casualties is going to be the result when your enemy purposely places its forces and armaments around highly populated civilian areas and places such as schools and hospitals. War and conflict all through history has often been largely defined by the situation being driven into a "Us or them", both civilian and combatant, mentality by one side or the other.

I digress though. I won't get into/start a debate about the Israel and Palestinian situation...

[Gnnr]

The US doesn't need to be involved in another war.

We're already in 2 wars (Afghanistan and Iraq). Part of the reason we have shitty economy.

We've been at war for the past 7 years.

Also, last I checked Iran has no real nuclear power. So let Israel fight this themselves.

[mRclARK1]

^^^You do realize it was a war that helped to end the Great Depression right?

All out war is actually good for an economy in a lot of ways. Nothing like destruction to fuel thirst for production and industry...

The problem with the situation now is it's not, in the strictest sense, a war (save for possibly the initial invasions of both places)... But now it's more of a police action or guerilla war. But then again, the entire concept of what war is itself is changing.

[Gnnr]

Yeah, because they mobilized the country for War Production. We weren't already at war when we went into WWII. We didn't want to go into WWII, the US was isolationist (see U.S. Neutrality Act). Also, the US financed the war before we even got into it (see lend-lease program with Britain), so we got a lot of money that way before we even got into the war. Also, after WWII we where the only country that wasn't destroyed to shit, so our factories where able to produce and sell goods to other countries after the war....and again finance countries that where dead broke (Marshall Plan).

Edit: added some points

[sillyvia13]

^^^You do realize it was a war that helped to end the Great Depression right?

All out war is actually good for an economy in a lot of ways. Nothing like destruction to fuel thirst for production and industry...

The problem with the situation now is it's not, in the strictest sense, a war (save for possibly the initial invasions of both places)... But now it's more of a police action or guerilla war. But then again, the entire concept of what war is itself is changing.

so sad. We learn nothing.

Murder to pay the bills... thats how my brain converted this to me.

War is gonna happen no doubt. Its gonna be real real bad. I am not a Jesus Freak, But I have been praying that we are all safe.

Good luck. and get ready for the worst. if not your gonna be in a world of hurt.

[qwikspool]

iran's time is up. just attack and ask questions later.

[iwishiwas-all*]

ah man, I want to finish my new car before this war happens.

The shit will hit the fan REAL hard.

fuck im gonna go to the paint shop tomorrow now ahhaha, fuck this shit.

Look one thing i dont understand is why is there no level of secrecy in israeli military with regards to this strike its like:
"hey you assholes! Sometime in the next 2-3 weeks we will drop a shit ton of bombs on you!"

to which iran is undoubtedly going to be planning a counter attack, and defense against the israeli attack. I mean are these people fighting the 2009 version of our revolutionary war?

I have alot of israeli friends here but I cannot agree with any of this shit that they have been doing the past few weeks.

Gaza is fucking horse shit, what would you do if someone built a fence around your land and said you cant leave under any circumstances. Im not saying hamas is right but jeese talk about provocation.

And I think IRAN will not attack us. I think that kook of a president is alot smarter than he seems for sure, and he is doing this to get attention and or aid from western nations.

What a fucking stupid fucking god damn fucking piece of shit fucking world do we live in ?!?!?!?

[mRclARK1]

Yeah, because they mobilized the country for War Production. We weren't already at war when we went into WWII. Also, the US financed the war so we got a lot of money that way. Also, after WWII we where the only country that wasn't destroyed to shit, so our factories where able to produce and sell goods to other countries after the war....and again finance countries that where dead broke.

This is all very true. I was mainly just pointing out that war doesn't necessarily mean bad news for an economy. The current economic situation is driven by a wide range of factors, the fighting in the middle east being one of them, but I would hesitate to argue the catalyst or primary cause by any means.

[aznpoopy]

blow em all up, they're so mentally fucked up they hate you because you have different religious view than they do. Nothing will convince them otherwise, the only thing you can do with brainwashed people is to completely wipe them out:rl:

they'd like you to think its an uncompromisable religious difference.

the core of the conflict is over zionism, not judaism. these two concepts are totally, totally different.

here's a rather hillarious video of the "anti-semitic" iranian president greeting and being greeted in turn by orthodox jews, and getting an award from them no less.

YouTube - Ahmadinejad Greeted by Anti-Zionist Jews in New York (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_XAeqtY7Sk)

[Gnnr]

mRclARK1, you caught me before my edit. But like I said, in the current situation we (and the rest of the world) are in I highly doubt it would improve our economy, it can only make it worse.

BTW, I don't trust this Newsmax as a good source of information.

[mike_0678]

As radical as Iran's adminitration is they do know that attacking U.S. bases on a large scale, hell any scale, would result in a the U.S. fucking up their day. It would be very stupid for Iran to risk attacking Isreal and/or U.S. bases. No country in the world short of Russia has the nuclear power to take on the U.S.. We are bullies, but we are legitimite bullies. We'll fuck anybody up with no trouble at all.

[mRclARK1]

mRclARK1, you caught me before my edit. But like I said, in the current situation we (and the rest of the world) are in I highly doubt it would improve our economy, it can only make it worse.

BTW, I don't trust this Newsmax as a good source of information.

Agreed.

On both points. I did some checking around on other news sources and it does seem to be mostly accurate however.

[MisawaJason]

sweet. Neverending deployments to the desert for us military folk

[DirtyS14]

they'd like you to think its an uncompromisable religious difference.

the core of the conflict is over zionism, not judaism. these two concepts are totally, totally different.

+1

Good of you to point that out! Most people automatically assume that the conflict is over judaism. Jews make about 75% of israel's population.. there are other religions there aswell.

[innovation]

Iran will be gone in seconds the second they attack U.S. soil.

I really hate to say it, but No no they wont. Reason being, America as a people has gone soft, no longer do we have 'the greatest generation' defending and fighting for us. We have excellent volunteers who are doing their utmost as it currently stands. (Not a knock on our military in anyway, infact I'm joining the air force and leaving to boot March 10th) Yet the reason we wont succeed is very simple. We wont have the full blooded support of the nation (Vietnam is a perfect example.) In my opinion, in order for us to win any type of war we need 100% undying unwavering support. If we get that than and only than will you see us be successful.

[cc4usmc]

sweet. Neverending deployments to the desert for us military folk

i'm gonna get recalled, i know it...

canada or mexico... hhmm....

[aziankingz]

This is the beginning of the end...

[SimpleS14]

wow....i really hope this does not go down.....

[lilaznjeff]

This is the beginning of the end...
but for every end, there is a new beginning.

[Fries]

but for every end, there is a new beginning.

But will America or the human species be there for this new beginning.
That sir is the question lawlawlawl

[Shmex]

All I have to say is, Israel can care for them selves. Israel on record, never lost a war they've been in. Weather its the 7 day war, or yom kippur(day of atonement, when they were attacked , its considered our most holiest of days)...

What I can't stand is the media manipulating situations to make the israelis bad. Why do they drop leaflets around sourrounding enemy terrotories??? Because they wanna save as much innocent civilians as possible.

Who in their right minds, can say for sure, that thy are innocent. Mentioned above, this is a "guerilla war". Wars where lebanese hamas fighters were putting IDF official garb on, and acting as israeli soldiers....that seems right?

I say we bom the shit outta them. Most people don't even know, palstine(if there is such a thing), and lebanon and so forth, teach how to make dirty bombs and anti-semtic teachins, as well as anti american/western civilization slanderings.....wipe em out, kill em all.

[shmiddy]

i dont even have an opinion any more about this... them two nations are fucked to kill each other off, nothing we can do about it

[Brian]

shmex - America is not the world. Just like you are saying we should "bom the shit out of them", they might be saying the same thing to us.

Who is right?

[iwishiwas-all*]

I say we bom the shit outta them. Most people don't even know, palstine(if there is such a thing), and lebanon and so forth, teach how to make dirty bombs and anti-semtic teachins, as well as anti american/western civilization slanderings.....wipe em out, kill em all.

I have to say as a lebanese american, im mildly offended, not so much about whats said but the fact you, saying you are an israeli, can generalized that "Lebanon" and "Palstine" teach people how to make dirty bombs and preach anti-Semitic stuff.

Buddy thats like saying that Mexico, the country as a whole, teaches its citizens how to smuggle drugs across the boarder and pick-pocket americans.

Ignorance, coming from a quite unlikely source. Coming from a lebanese household, I have never been taught anything of the sort, and in fact, you forget that 80% of lebanon is christian! moreover, im damn sure that all lebanon and true lebanese people want is to be left alone.

The whole fucking country is in shambles and I personally never want to go see it, see where my grandparents are from, because I would not feel safe at all. Israel has a right to protect themselves, yes, but these offenses are unwarranted.

There is no intelligence over there. The whole region is full of fucking stupid fucks, on both sides.
Example:
Look israel gets fired on by some rockets from gaza. lets say rockets( numerous) kill 5 people. Israel, instead of making a proper operation and sending troops into the rocket launching source or a specific strategic location, even if it is house to house warfare like we did in iraq, decides to fire upon whatever location that may be from a location far away, knowing damn well that it is a civilian location.
Then you hear that 300 Palestinians were killed, when maybe max there were 15-20 guys firing rockets.

Now I am in NO way condoning hamas's tactics or this war in general, but it should be israel's DUTY, AS A WESTERNIZED NATION, to minimize the civilian loss of life in Palestine.

Now they do not give two flying fucks about that, so you wounder why this shit keeps happening and the rest of the middle-east is biting at the bit to blow israel up.

I dont know what to tell you but as years go on with america caught in the crosshairs of every muslim extremist in the middle-east because of israel's childish actions, supporting them as a nation becomes harder and harder, as an AMERICAN, to do.

In closing, LEBANON, AND PALESTINE, DO NOT TEACH HATE TOWARDS ISRAEL.
hamas and hesbola do you fucking ignorant asshole. Giving us arabs a bad name.

[3-240's-N-aMule]

I believe israel has done alot to minimize civilian casualties, but as its been pointed out, "they're enemy is hiding among normal people in one of the most densely populated areas on earth". If israel was not trying to minimize civilian casualties then i can garuntee you there would be hundreds of thousands of civilians dead. With that said, israel has had to defend itself since the first declaration of independance. Even today, there are middle eastern nations that do not recognize Israel as a nation and will always support its destruction.

[aa87]

But if Israel and the Jews don't secure the holy land, Jesus will never come back!

Welcome World War 3, Fuck.

[SmogSUX]

I really hate to say it, but No no they wont. Reason being, America as a people has gone soft, no longer do we have 'the greatest generation' defending and fighting for us. We have excellent volunteers who are doing their utmost as it currently stands. (Not a knock on our military in anyway, infact I'm joining the air force and leaving to boot March 10th) Yet the reason we wont succeed is very simple. We wont have the full blooded support of the nation (Vietnam is a perfect example.) In my opinion, in order for us to win any type of war we need 100% undying unwavering support. If we get that than and only than will you see us be successful.


True that...10 bucks says that Iran or someone could blow up all of our bases in the middle east and we'd still have plenty of spineless idiots here in the US that would be against retaliating with excuses like "We never should have been over there anyways, etc, etc" What's it going to take? Having a full scale attack on our country?

[HalveBlue]

fuck im gonna go to the paint shop tomorrow now ahhaha, fuck this shit.

Look one thing i dont understand is why is there no level of secrecy in israeli military with regards to this strike its like:
"hey you assholes! Sometime in the next 2-3 weeks we will drop a shit ton of bombs on you!"

It's called plausible deniability (i.e. sanctioned leaks). A lot of governments do it.

It allows a country to send warning without the government official sanctioning the message.

Welcome into International Relations.

to which iran is undoubtedly going to be planning a counter attack, and defense against the israeli attack. I mean are these people fighting the 2009 version of our revolutionary war?

Iran will lose. Even if they could pull of the logistics of invading Israel, the IDF will destroy their supply and communication lines within days.

Iran is the primary sponsor of Hezbollah, a known terrorist organization, and has publicly stated that it's aim is to essentially wipe Israel off the map.

If I were Israel, and a country that threatened to obliterate me was developing nuclear weapons, I'd do whatever it takes to take out the nuclear capability.

I have alot of israeli friends here but I cannot agree with any of this shit that they have been doing the past few weeks.

Gaza is fucking horse shit, what would you do if someone built a fence around your land and said you cant leave under any circumstances. Im not saying hamas is right but jeese talk about provocation.

And I think IRAN will not attack us. I think that kook of a president is alot smarter than he seems for sure, and he is doing this to get attention and or aid from western nations.

What a fucking stupid fucking god damn fucking piece of shit fucking world do we live in ?!?!?!?

The Israelis blocked off Gaza from Israel because certain groups were using the porous borders crossings to bring suicide bombers into Israel.

Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005. Yet certain groups, especially Hamas, continued to attack Israel through other means, such as rocket attacks.

Israel in turn uses air strikes against targets in densely populated urban areas which will invariably cause collateral damage.

Hamas shot itself in the foot. Gaza is dependent on Israel for trade and the Palestinians livelihood.

Due to the unfortunate geographic location of Gaza, Israel's policy of shutting down the border crossings has essentially cutoff Gaza from the outside world.

But that's all trivial anyway. Agendas in the middle east are set by the extremist factions, not the majority of people who just want to lead boring lives.

A lot of groups involved in the Israeli/Palestinian situation will NEVER see eye to eye or agree to a compromise.

[innovation]

In closing, LEBANON, AND PALESTINE, DO NOT TEACH HATE TOWARDS ISRAEL.
hamas and hesbola do you fucking ignorant asshole. Giving us arabs a bad name.

Sorry but I had to chime in. You said it yourself, you're a "lebanese-american" So I have to wonder how much of lebanon has really rubbed off on you. I myself am a Mexican-American and in no way consider myself 100% mexican because lets face it, the culture between Mexico and USA are two completely different worlds. Much like your situation, how much of Lebanon do you truly represent? Your "lebanese household" is living in America and with that certain things undoubtedly change. No doubt you and everyone in your household most likely has a cell phone. I doubt a good majority of people in Lebanon enjoy the luxuries you and the rest of us in America take for granted. Now if you were posting from and living in Lebanon than I may be more enticed to believe your words. Yet as it stands, I believe the phrase you said yourself holds more value over you than you think. "Ignorance, coming from a quite unlikely source"

Also do you REALLY know that "Lebanon" and "Palstine" [DONT] teach people how to make dirty bombs and preach anti-Semitic stuff.
Like you said you can generalize, but can YOU say that without actual knowledge? That 'ignorant asshole' may be just that, but I think what you're saying implies the same thing no?

Anyways sorry to be a nit-pick, but I hate people getting offensive when their argument also sounds ignorant. Nothing personal much respect dude.

-Matt

[iwishiwas-all*]

Sorry but I had to chime in. You said it yourself, you're a "lebanese-american" So I have to wonder how much of lebanon has really rubbed off on you. I myself am a Mexican-American and in no way consider myself 100% mexican because lets face it, the culture between Mexico and USA are two completely different worlds. Much like your situation, how much of Lebanon do you truly represent? Your "lebanese household" is living in America and with that certain things undoubtedly change. No doubt you and everyone in your household most likely has a cell phone. I doubt a good majority of people in Lebanon enjoy the luxuries you and the rest of us in America take for granted. Now if you were posting from and living in Lebanon than I may be more enticed to believe your words. Yet as it stands, I believe the phrase you said yourself holds more value over you than you think. "Ignorance, coming from a quite unlikely source"

Also do you REALLY know that "Lebanon" and "Palstine" [DONT] teach people how to make dirty bombs and preach anti-Semitic stuff.
Like you said you can generalize, but can YOU say that without actual knowledge? That 'ignorant asshole' may be just that, but I think what you're saying implies the same thing no?

Anyways sorry to be a nit-pick, but I hate people getting offensive when their argument also sounds ignorant. Nothing personal much respect dude.

-Matt


I dont know what to tell you but as years go on with america caught in the crosshairs of every muslim extremist in the middle-east because of israel's childish actions, supporting them as a nation becomes harder and harder, as an AMERICAN, to do.


read quote. I am an american, born in america. As an AMERICAN, i find it hard to keep supporting israel's deals over there because i see how it effects our lives here. I am not going to get into anything else about that specifically. Im not pretending to represent lebanon, or know what they are thinking at this point. From my position in the US and what I hear from family, there is a less than optimal living situation there, however lebanon is not a rouge nation of terrorists in the same way that mexico is not a nation of drug smugglers and pick-pocketers, or whatever the mexican stigma is at this point.
that is all i was trying to say.

I have no idea how you can call me ignorant, if you are seriously think that lebanon, as a nation, preaches terrorism and anti-zionism, to its citizens (which i may not be, but that doesnt mean immediate family are not), then I dont know what to say. I am not about to go tell you how mexico works or anything about that, and hell im not about to tell you how lebanon intricately works either, but that is horribly close-minded. even as an educated citizen which you are, you cannot seriously give that statement any legs, can you?

[ESmorz]

I really just can't understand why people just can't get the fuck over themselves. If my biggest enemy in the world right now called me up and said "Hey, come over lets roll some b's, drink some beers, and go get laid". I would no longer be there enemy. It's as simple as putting dumb ass shit behind you and focusing on what could be instead of what you have.

Humans as a species are doomed to fail, and as marginal a movie as Babylon A.D. was it had a very profound quote. "Humans stopped evolving at a very critical time". So i guess we are just stuck in a swirling world of change, where all we hold onto is the past.

[Brian]

Any update on this?

I'm sure the obama-orgy fest that is today will mask anything else that is happening in the world.
It's a perfect day for some serious shit to happen and us not even know about it...

[jskateborders]

This is the beginning of the end...

exactly what I was going to say. At least the end of the world as we know it. If you do not own a weapon, I suggest you pick one up soon, and if you don't believe in weapons, at least learn how to use one, trust me, you wont regret it. Im already preparing for the shit to hit the fan, exit strategy and all. I just hope it holds off until I am done with my degree.