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Om1kron

01-06-2009, 12:10 PM

klutchkhemist

01-06-2009, 12:11 PM

Shits crazy... This guy used to go to my after school program like 5 years ago..

soldiaboy

01-06-2009, 12:13 PM

saw this on the news this morning,
that cop is done

soldiaboy

01-06-2009, 12:15 PM

ZilviaKid

01-06-2009, 12:18 PM

this thread is gonna get crazy out of hand..

regardless, police usually take things way too far. i guess they have a "better you then me" mentality?

LeftNutOfGowd

01-06-2009, 12:20 PM

I cant see the video at work this sucks

Brian

01-06-2009, 12:25 PM

uh oh.
Race was put in the title.

We are supposed to be "equal". I don't think pointing out the race is very equal.

At any rate, That was a terrible video. I can't imagine being there. That is sick. :(

HyperTek

01-06-2009, 12:26 PM

i just watched that video, that sucks.. it could have been any one of use really.. he didnt look too violent, probably just upset he was getting handcuffed for some bullshit reason and jus wasnt cooperating, and 1 cop decides to draw his gun and it goes off...

I dont hate all cops, its just there are some that shouldnt be on the force, esp racist cops and assholes, not saying this was a racist issue BTW.
You can tell the gun wasnt suppose to go off because the other cops suddenly jumped off like "wtf"

Quail

01-06-2009, 12:28 PM

My uncle was killed whilst in Police custody. I think he was arrested for being drunk and disorderly, but no-one knows the facts surrounding his death since he was in a cell at the time. I dont think his race had anything to do with the death (well I hope it didnt, but who knows), but just for the thread, he was Carribean/West Indian.

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 12:30 PM

OP,

Your cousin swung a weapon toward a cop. The cop i bet felt threated enought that if his arm got taken out/broken that your cousin would haven taken his gun/tazer/pepper spray/etc. and use it against him. it's the police's judgement if they felt there life is at risk it is "allowed".

About the news story. Shitty ass cell phone camera doesn't show much GOOD footage. But with those cops wrestling around with the subject if he was reaching for the cops gun or saying i'm gonna kill you etc. the cops had all the right to too do that.

Either way, it suck's for someone to loose a loved one, But my brother has been a cop for 10+ years. and everyone thinks of them as some drones. to people NOT realize they have family,friends,brothers,sisters,moms,dads,sons,and daughters? What's a cop to do? Let the person have there way with them? I'm sorry but i usually defend the cops actions.

EDIT--- After watching the video a few more times. I could see if the officer pulled the gun to try and "calm" the guy down cause that usually equalises anyone...and if they guy didn't do as said it happens....... And for all ANY of us know the guy could have been all high on drugs (coke usually makes people strong and not feel much, there is not much info on the cops side to say if they tryed to tazer him,pepper spray etc.

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 12:30 PM

we are all equal until proven guilty in a court of law... well granted we make it to the court of law.

The guy was squirming asking the cop not to tase him, his last words were. "You shot me, I have a 4 year old daughter."

The bullet went though the guys back and ricocheted into his lung killing him almost instantly.

as for my cousin, he was stupid for that. But still 12 shots?

kcndizzle

01-06-2009, 12:31 PM

Really? You have no idea why the cops shot your cousin? He "flipped" out and stabs his girlfriend, evades police and then assaults an officer with a deadly weapon and you have no idea why they shot him? Obviously there was no talking to your cousin and shooting him was the only other alternative. In that case there should be no question as to why the officers took the course of action that they did and just be happy someone like that isn't out there anymore with the ability to procreate.

HalveBlue

01-06-2009, 12:33 PM

this thread is gonna get crazy out of hand..

regardless, police usually take things way too far. i guess they have a "better you then me" mentality?

It's true. A lot of cops live by the mantra, "I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six." :-/

By and large, the police culture in the U.S. is pretty aggressive. While I know why, I think police departments around the country generally don't teach their officers enough conflict resolution skills. Quite frankly, most cops these days assume anyone is armed and dangerous. Couple that with an aggressive attitude and you see things like the video the OP posted.

While I usually reserve my opinion on specific cases, I don't see anything that warrants the use of deadly force in this video.

Brian

01-06-2009, 12:34 PM

I don't think anybody should be attacking omikron. That isn't the point here.

HyperTek

01-06-2009, 12:34 PM

what ever happen to shooting people in the limbs?? that should be enough pain to cause them to stop and drop to the ground lol
I still think the cop used bad judgement, he probably thought "ill pull my gun out to make this punk stop" but he musta did something to piss that cop off or that cop has a twitchy finger...

still sucks tho, your pinned to the ground by the po po and one of em shoots you in the back.

foreverdark

01-06-2009, 12:35 PM

That shit is F'ed up. Poor guy. Stupid Cop.

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 12:36 PM

what ever happen to shooting people in the limbs?? that should be enough pain to cause them to stop and drop to the ground lol

That could have been an intended target for all anyone knows. the video shows the subject moving around. idk about you but my back is only a few inches from my arm.

Brian

01-06-2009, 12:38 PM

Anybody here been in a situation where you were wrestling with another human AND had to draw a gun?

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 12:38 PM

what ever happen to shooting people in the limbs?? that should be enough pain to cause them to stop and drop to the ground lol

Police are trained to shoot at center mass, as there is less of a chance to miss and will put the target down without the chance of missing and having a stray bullet hit an innocent or ricocheting off of something and coming back to hit them.

As far as my cousin like I said, if I was a cop I probably would've shot him too.

But if someone came on my property and I took a gun out and they swung a crowbar at me. I would think 2 bullets would've been sufficient to down my target, if I shot that person 11 times I don't think the judge would see that as self defense is more the point I was trying to make.

HyperTek

01-06-2009, 12:39 PM

true but look how close the other cops where to him as well, if i was one of the other cops that close, id freak out as well for shooting without warning.

Om1kron, that sucks about your cousin, if they had gave him warnings with guns drawn even before he attempted to swing at them, then i dont know what to say...

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 12:40 PM

Anybody here been in a situation where you were wrestling with another human AND had to draw a gun?

hey hey hey, this isn't a naughty thread. :keke::keke::keke::ghey:

j/k...

also the pepper spray cops have holstered on their belts are next to their guns, make sure to take a look next time you see one of their belts... the pepper spray also has a gun shaped handle and trigger.

BOROSUN

01-06-2009, 12:52 PM

i wrestled for a knife.

slider2828

01-06-2009, 12:58 PM

It seemed like in the video the guy was going for the officers gun though or something.... Like he reached up at the cops belt..... I dunno if that had anything to do with it... But I mean how is the dude struggling like that while cuffed? I dunno.... weak cops or something?

kingkilburn

01-06-2009, 01:00 PM

This has nothing to do with race and every thing to do with another dumb ass cop. The shit is murder. No matter what the justification is the guy was fully controlled and in custody. Even a tazer would have been excessive.

I'm fucking tired of seeing the police execute people that don't get a trial yet rapist and murderers get let out of prison every day.

azndoc

01-06-2009, 01:10 PM

Seriously I feel for you bro.

But the whole cause and effect.

He shouldn't have stabbed his gf to begin with.

Did he deserve to get killed. No.

Did he put himself in that kind of situation?

Yes.

Every man is responsible for his own actions. That's just the way I look at life.

We all choose our own path.

The end result whatever it may be, we just have to live with it.

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 01:15 PM

I wasn't looking for sympathy, or judgement (not directed at jack but everyone.) wasn't the point of sharing. Since some people don't know how to properly decipher the message wrapped in the information given.

Nobody knows what happened in there, and whats done is done. I'm not going to waste my life trying to figure it out or saying I hate cops blah blah.

I'm just saying, with all of the countermeasures the police have. Tear gas, tazers, dogs... it makes you wonder why the fuck a lot of them are just grabbing their guns and shooting.

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 01:18 PM

They should give the victims family some alone time + bats with that officer.

91drftr

01-06-2009, 01:31 PM

damn that shit suck i think regardless of whatever, that cop shoul go to jail, i mean come on the guy was cuffed, and even if the guy was on drugs it still doesnt give them a reason to shoot ive seen worst videos of people that are actually on drugs and struggling without being cuffed yet 3 to 4 cops trying to wrestle em down but not one shot fired. this guy was in cuffs and shot! thats bullshit too many cops are assholes that take abuse of their uniform, minus a few that are actually reasonable and do what their supposed to

mrmephistopheles

01-06-2009, 01:34 PM

I have a feeling that that officer fucked up. Either he negligently fired his weapon by using improper trigger control or perhaps he thought he was firing a taser. Either way, that wasn't a situation where deadly force would be necessary. No cops would be so stupid as to summarily execute a person in cuffs in a prone position for no apparent reason. Race isn't a factor in this, so getting worked up about black or white or mauve or orange isn't going to enlighten anyone.

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 01:44 PM

I'm just saying, with all of the countermeasures the police have. Tear gas, tazers, dogs... it makes you wonder why the fuck a lot of them are just grabbing their guns and shooting.
Simple, Because time constraints. NOT EVERY cop has a dog by there side, should they really wrestle the the suspect for 20,30,40,50,60 min till a dog get's there? NOT EVERY dept. has "tear gas" I think only our swat team has them, As far as using tazers again that is a pretty expensive thing for the police and is still pretty new for some depts so it is possible no one had a tazer on hand. Also The pepper spray/mace isn't always effictive, sometimes it just pisses people off more.

They should give the victims family some alone time + bats with that officer.
Why? Cause the cop felt threatened for his/other officer/civilian lives? :mepoke:

jskateborders

01-06-2009, 01:45 PM

Fuck that shit. Its under investigation? That cop should have been arrested right there on the spot. That was murder. He shot the guy in the back, how was someone face down a threat? Fuck cops. When is ok as citizens to defend ourselves against cops? Obviously it is becoming necessary.

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 01:47 PM

Fuck that shit. Its under investigation? That cop should have been arrested right there on the spot. That was murder. He shot the guy in the back of the head, how was someone face down a threat? Fuck cops. When is ok as citizens to defend ourselves against cops? Obviously it is becoming necessary.
did you watch the vid? they said it went through HIS BACK. not his head.i hope when you NEED a cop to come save/help you they think this punk say's fuck cops.

Grow up.:lockd:

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 01:52 PM

Simple, Because time constraints. NOT EVERY cop has a dog by there side, should they really wrestle the the suspect for 20,30,40,50,60 min till a dog get's there?

Again you're missing the point, why are you creating scenario's that don't exist. I simply stated my stance... You're assuming...

to clarify my cousins situation, he was found almost an HOUR later after the altercation. So backup was called in, dogs were brought in, tons of backup.

Don't assume someone just called the cops they showed up and the suspect was like FUCK YOU IM BUSY STABBING SOMEONE MAYNE!

not the case.

NOT EVERY dept. has "tear gas" I think only our swat team has them, As far as using tazers again that is a pretty expensive thing for the police and is still pretty new for some depts so it is possible no one had a tazer on hand.

Tazers are new, like since when 1987?

Also The pepper spray/mace isn't always effictive, sometimes it just pisses people off more.

True but cops also have crowd control counter measures, bean bullets etc and it's enough to put a grown man down.

Why? Cause the cop felt threatened for his/other officer/civilian lives? :mepoke:

And now back to the original subject at hand... the officer felt threatened, how, was the guy going to horse kick him in the back of his head to death while handcuffed on his stomach?

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 01:56 PM

Why? Cause the cop felt threatened for his/other officer/civilian lives? :mepoke:

The guy was hand cuffed, with his face to the ground. The cop just stood up and executed him.

If he felt threatened, then he should lay off the grass cause he's paranoid as fuck. I mean jesus fucking christ at least use your baton or taser.

sac

01-06-2009, 02:05 PM

On this particular incident i think the cop will loose badge, and possibly do some hard jail time. The use of lethal force was not required. Plenty of law enforcement officers were there, they EASILY could have used a tazer. Hell 1 of the MANY reasons that law enforcement agencies adopted the tazer was to prevent unnecessary casualties in "accidents" like this one. If that guy was a single dad, whats to happen to his daughter? Orphanage? Thats totally rediculous. If he was a single father, a state appointed attorney should go after the police department for excessive use of lethal force. That girl should get awarded a couple million bucks. Ya think in 10+ to 20 years she is going to remember that much about him? Probably not. Which is totally wrong.

If i was a cop, i would assume EVERYONE has a weapon. Sure the justice system has it set up as "innocent until PROVEN guilty". But violent offenders know this. And if apporoching or involved in a hostile situation with someone with violent history,.. SHIT i am going home to my family. You pull a gun, or what looks like a gun on me, your gettin not 1-2, but im makin it rain hot lead until you drop the item, or fall on your back incapacitated.

The downside to this EXACT situation is that it brings the race factor into play once more. Because it looked to me like a bunch of white cops all around, and a black man gets shot. As far as this country has gone towards equality, we are still taking 2 steps forward and 1 step backward. It is unfortunate this happened, and i feel bad for this guys little girl. Hopefully sometime soon we can take steps to TRUELY equalize our country to that of a truely UNITED states.

SHIFT_*grind*

01-06-2009, 02:16 PM

as for my cousin, he was stupid for that. But still 12 shots?

How many cops were there? They had time to form a posse to come in after him, so probably a few? If they each fire 2 or 3 times, that'll get to 12 pretty quick...

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 02:19 PM

did you watch the vid? they said it went through HIS BACK. not his head.i hope when you NEED a cop to come save/help you they think this punk say's fuck cops.

Grow up.:lockd:
Since you're cool with getting shot in the back, how about you try it out some time.

It went through his back and ricocheted back up into his chest.
That's like THE bitchest way to go out ever.

Cops have never helped me in my life.

Fuck that. The cop in that video fucked up.

He would've been scott free if it wasn't for that video showing what he did.

This shit isn't a first and it won't be the last.

sac

01-06-2009, 02:25 PM

One thing i dont think is even being thought here, is if the guy was on some drugs, handcuffs may not have been enough restraint. I have seen videos of guys 5'10 180lbs, 6'3 210lbs, 5'5 160lbs, breaking handcuffs while there all fucked up on lsd and shit. If your on some crazy shit, your capable of some weird shit. But I highly doubt this guy was breaking those cuffs. I stated before i think it was excessive. I dont believe that they could have used tear gas in this situation, nor pepper spray. They were trying to detain a FEW people in a LARGE croud. LOTS of INNOCENT people could have gotten hurt from those methods. Im sure the guy that was shot was not entirely innocent, they probably had good reason to detain him. Otherwise dont ya think at least 1 of the cops would have said WOAH dude, we dont have justification to do this? But Pulling out a weapon, when they could have easily jerked back on handcuffs which probably would have detained suspect, the guy decides to use the gun as a scare tactic and shoots the guy. Not smart police work.

Tazers are available to EVERY SINGLE police agency. Whether or not their city chooses to purchase and issue them is up to those city officials. And this could be addressed by the lawsuit that i assume will follow this drastic incident.Most agencies across the country carry them, because pepper spray does not incapacitate everyone. I personally could probably go 1-2 minutes on rampage if pepper sprayed before being subdued. Some guys it may not even affect, some may go down instantly. It all depends, but tazers stop EVERYONE! They fuckin hurt your body, and no matter how much you try to move, stand, walk, you cant. I have personally been tazed 6 times. Of those 4 were intentionally, 1 was my friend fucking around after he tazed me just previously, and 1 was at a bar when a fight broke out between a good friend and someone drastically bigger than him(5'7 165 vrs 6'4 380?) So i decided to make sure he didnt get mopped up. And all 6 times i hit floor and wanted my mommy! haha.

While i think the cops story needs to be heard, regardless i think he should lose badge and be remanded to custody for a while. We do not need people like this in law enforcement!

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 02:28 PM

Again you're missing the point, why are you creating scenario's that don't exist. I simply stated my stance... You're assuming...

to clarify my cousins situation, he was found almost an HOUR later after the altercation. So backup was called in, dogs were brought in, tons of backup.

Don't assume someone just called the cops they showed up and the suspect was like FUCK YOU IM BUSY STABBING SOMEONE MAYNE!

not the case.

Tazers are new, like since when 1987?

True but cops also have crowd control counter measures, bean bullets etc and it's enough to put a grown man down.

And now back to the original subject at hand... the officer felt threatened, how, was the guy going to horse kick him in the back of his head to death while handcuffed on his stomach?

Hey man, i think you took my reply the wrong way, i wasen't talkin about your Cousin. I was talking about the Video.

Since you're cool with getting shot in the back, how about you try it out some time.

It went through his back and ricocheted back up into his chest.
That's like THE bitchest way to go out ever.

Cops have never helped me in my life.

Fuck that. The cop in that video fucked up.

He would've been scott free if it wasn't for that video showing what he did.

This shit isn't a first and it won't be the last.
Where did i say i was "cool with getting shot in the back"?

Don't break the law, don't suffer the consequences. This wouldn't of EVER happened if dude didn't start a fight cause someone grabbed his grilfriends ass or someone gave him a dirty look.

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 02:30 PM

Sad thing is stuff like this always happens.

Just that the public got ahold of the video.

Where did i say i was "cool with getting shot in the back"?

Don't break the law, don't suffer the consequences. This wouldn't of EVER happened if dude didn't start a fight cause someone grabbed his grilfriends ass or someone gave him a dirty look.
You make made it sound like getting shot in the back like a bitch wasn't anything big.

Honestly you have no clue when it comes to real cops. Maybe where you are they are some cool dude who protects you and gives you a sticker or some shit, but not out here.

Cops have been and are known to cause trouble for unneeded problems.

I personally have been detained against my will for two hours with 8 officers accusing me of something I didn't do.

And after all was said and done, all I got was a chuckle and released.

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 02:34 PM

One thing i dont think is even being thought here, is if the guy was on some drugs, handcuffs may not have been enough restraint. I have seen videos of guys 5'10 180lbs, 6'3 210lbs, 5'5 160lbs, breaking handcuffs while there all fucked up on lsd and shit. If your on some crazy shit, your capable of some weird shit. But I highly doubt this guy was breaking those cuffs. I stated before i think it was excessive.

Tazers are available to EVERY SINGLE police agency. Whether or not their city chooses to purchase and issue them is up to those city officials. And this could be addressed by the lawsuit that i assume will follow this drastic incident.Most agencies across the country carry them, because pepper spray does not incapacitate everyone. I personally could probably go 1-2 minutes on rampage if pepper sprayed before being subdued. Some guys it may not even affect, some may go down instantly. It all depends, but tazers stop EVERYONE! They fuckin hurt your body, and no matter how much you try to move, stand, walk, you cant. I have personally been tazed 6 times. Of those 4 were intentionally, 1 was my friend fucking around after he tazed me just previously, and 1 was at a bar when a fight broke out between a good friend and someone drastically bigger than him(5'7 165 vrs 6'4 380?) So i decided to make sure he didnt get mopped up. And all 6 times i hit floor and wanted my mommy! haha.

While i think the cops story needs to be heard, regardless i think he should lose badge and be remanded to custody for a while. We do not need people like this in law enforcement!

Thank you for also saying drugs can do some weird shit.

Personal experiance: I went on a ride along with my brother last summer. 2 Guys got in a fight outside a bar. the cops show up one guy takes off running other one stays there. My brother and the 2 other cops get the car about 1/2 a block away. They say stop countless times guy keeps running Other officer tackles the guy and the guy starts rolling around fighting with 2 cops, my brother then sprays the guy with pepper spray that just pissed the guy off more. so about 2 min later they said we will taze you if you don't stop fighting. guy kept on going, next thing ya know ZAP. down he goes. Why doesn't EVERY officer have a tazer? i don't know but they SHOULD. I know in my town there are one 2 or 3 Tazers and there are atleast 5 cops on at a time. so not everyone has them, let alone in a big city i doubt the city will pay for EVERY cop to have one.

I do agree the cop should be ATLEAST put on leave...if not removed from the force...

sac

01-06-2009, 02:35 PM

He would've been scott free if it wasn't for that video showing what he did.

This shit isn't a first and it won't be the last.

I dissagree. In this case, WAY too many witnesses. Cop would have been fucked regardless. Plus i would HOPE that at least 1 cop would say that it was excessive force!

I agree with your final statement, however i think the numbers are declining.

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 02:36 PM

Sad thing is stuff like this always happens.

Just that the public got ahold of the video.

You make made it sound like getting shot in the back like a bitch wasn't anything big.

Honestly you have no clue when it comes to real cops. Maybe where you are they are some cool dude who protects you and gives you a sticker or some shit, but not out here.

Cops have been and are known to cause trouble for unneeded problems.

I personally have been detained against my will for two hours with 8 officers accusing me of something I didn't do.

And after all was said and done, all I got was a chuckle and released.

ya'll must have some crooked as fucking cops,

But your trying to tell me, That if the guy in the Video would have just sat down and acted cool he still would have got shot? just cause that's how cops are out by you?

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 02:39 PM

Thank you for also saying drugs can do some weird shit.

Personal experiance: I went on a ride along with my brother last summer. 2 Guys got in a fight outside a bar. the cops show up one guy takes off running other one stays there. My brother and the 2 other cops get the car about 1/2 a block away. They say stop countless times guy keeps running Other officer tackles the guy and the guy starts rolling around fighting with 2 cops, my brother then sprays the guy with pepper spray that just pissed the guy off more. so about 2 min later they said we will taze you if you don't stop fighting. guy kept on going, next thing ya know ZAP. down he goes. Why doesn't EVERY officer have a tazer? i don't know but they SHOULD. I know in my town there are one 2 or 3 Tazers and there are atleast 5 cops on at a time. so not everyone has them, let alone in a big city i doubt the city will pay for EVERY cop to have one.

I do agree the cop should be ATLEAST put on leave...if not removed from the force...

As far as I know, almost every single officer in the US has a taser. The sheriffs in my little bum fuck town have them, so I would imagine officers in an area as big as the bay area they would have them.

He just wanted to get cowboy with his gun.

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 02:43 PM

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 02:45 PM

I dissagree. In this case, WAY too many witnesses. Cop would have been fucked regardless. Plus i would HOPE that at least 1 cop would say that it was excessive force!

I agree with your final statement, however i think the numbers are declining.
Yes, no choice but to decline. Which I'm glad to hear.
ya'll must have some crooked as fucking cops,

But your trying to tell me, That if the guy in the Video would have just sat down and acted cool he still would have got shot? just cause that's how cops are out by you?
Well, such is the case.

It's fucking aggravating that he was shot.

Saying what he should have done, and being in his position are two WHOLE different things.

Honestly, I would've probably thought the same as you a few years back.

But until I went through a situation like what was shown in this video where cops are harassing you and acting like you are a criminal; which in my case I wasn't. It is extremely upsetting.

The guy in the video just isn't some random nig-nig.

He was just someone out for the new years.

Cops came and started to hold him down.
He started to cooperate. Which you can see from when he placed his hands up in the air.

After the cop pushed him over to put handcuffs on him, all that he could help to think is WTF.

The cops couldn't stand him squirming around or something. So one cop got heated and decided to SHOOT him at point blank range.

WTF WTF WTF

That's bullshit.

I think an SFPD cop wouldn't have done this.

Those are BART Police.

Just a fucking security guard with a gun and IMO.

I could have been there.

I was talking about heading out there around that time when I was with my friends.

That could have been me all I know.

I'm not even shocked about what went on and how it took place.

I'm only shocked at the people who are shocked that this took place.

ok, cause i'm NOT from california.

1 question the video says in BART police shooting, when i google that it comes with "Bay Area Rapid Tranist" is that correct? They have 200+ Sworn officers, i doubt they ALL have tazers.

Yes, that's what BART stand for. It's out underground subway system.

Maybe not ALL of them have tazers, but one of those cops should have.

I mean they all had guns. Why the fuck CAN'T they all have tazers.

Honestly, I don't give a shit if they only were equip with lollipops and machine guns. It doesn't give them the right to shoot him because of such. He was a tax paying citizen just like everyone else. He paid his BART fare. That money is supposed to go into improving bart.

Not paying for lawyers for when the people they hired fucked up.

Koopa Troopa

01-06-2009, 02:46 PM

(I am panamanian, Jamaican, and Irish btw hence why I mentioned "black" in the title)

I would have shot your cousin too. Not 12 times but I definitely would have capped his ass for evading arrest and trying to assault me.

I think it's fucking retarded that you feel the need to justify yourself using the word "black" to describe, a black man. WTF else is he? No need to justify your usage. If you offended anyone by that word then all you've done is brought an ignorant person out from their hiding spot.

waynehead05

01-06-2009, 02:47 PM

I just got a crazy chill down my spine. This video is almost sickening to me.

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 02:48 PM

ok, cause i'm NOT from california.

1 question the video says in BART police shooting, when i google that it comes with "Bay Area Rapid Tranist" is that correct? They have 200+ Sworn officers, i doubt they ALL have tazers.

dude, you wouldn't believe the shit they have available to them... my x brother in law is a corrections officer. They had to take the tasers away from them because they kept fucking up the prisoners with them for being assholes.

tazing them in the balls and shit... they have like these grenade launcher guns like from terminator with the round barrel, like a 12 shot with these tear gas cocktails which make you cry and puke and they pop them off into the cells during a riot.

shit's buckwild man.

trust me they carry tazers on them. I was just at a bar and some drunk ass was walking around all billy bad ass with that liquid courage trying to initiate a fight with everyone.. Walked up to an officer and got in his face like "fuck the cops" blah blah, cop pulled his tazer out and armed it and asked him to bounce or get tazed for being an ass in front of everyone...

I mean of course I laughed, dickhead deserved it...

but the cop didn't taze him and then say, fuck who...

where I think that cop would've in this situation. I mean obviously the guy grabs his head after the gun goes off like oh man... and it's going to haunt him, but that's negligence period.

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 02:49 PM

i doubt they ALL have tazers.

It's standard issue.

Either way. This motherfucker is going to get it.

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 02:50 PM

Yes, no choice but to decline. Which I'm glad to hear.

Well, such is the case.

It's fucking aggravating that he was shot.

Saying what he should have done, and being in his position are two WHOLE different things.

Honestly, I would've probably thought the same as you a few years back.

But until I went through a situation like what was shown in this video where cops are harassing you and acting like you are a criminal; which in my case I wasn't. It is extremely upsetting.

The guy in the video just isn't some random nig-nig.

He was just someone out for the new years.

Cops came and started to hold him down.
He started to cooperate. Which you can see from when he placed his hands up in the air.

After the cop pushed him over to put handcuffs on him, all that he could help to think is WTF.

The cops couldn't stand him squirming around or something. So one cop got heated and decided to SHOOT him at point blank range.

WTF WTF WTF

That's bullshit.

I think an SFPD cop wouldn't have done this.

Those are BART Police.

Just a fucking security guard with a gun and IMO.

I could have been there.

I was talking about heading out there around that time when I was with my friends.

That could have been me all I know.

I'm not even shocked about what went on and how it took place.

I'm only shocked at the people who are shocked that this took place.

Yes, that's what BART stand for. It's out underground subway system.

Maybe not ALL of them have tazers, but one of those cops should have.

I mean they all had guns. Why the fuck CAN'T they all have tazers.

Honestly, I don't give a shit if they only were equip with lollipops and machine guns. It doesn't give them the right to shoot him because of such. He was a tax paying citizen just like everyone else. He paid his BART fare. That money is supposed to go into improving bart.

Not paying for lawyers for when the people they hired fucked up.
BART - BART Police (http://www.bart.gov/about/police/)

According to there site, the BART cop's are true cops.... i wish there was a good video of this so you could really HEAR AND SEE what happened.

i understand you had a bad experiance but that doesn't mean EVERY police agency is after anyone and everyone.

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 02:55 PM

Oh, I know they are real cops. That's why I said IMO.

Maybe not every cops is bad, I know that. But there are a lot more than most are led to believe.

Normally in a case like this, it will be in the news for a little while, and they place the cop on paid leave for a little while. Then next thing you know, people forget about the case and the cop is activated back into the force.

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 02:55 PM

dude, you wouldn't believe the shit they have available to them... my x brother in law is a corrections officer. They had to take the tasers away from them because they kept fucking up the prisoners with them for being assholes.

tazing them in the balls and shit... they have like these grenade launcher guns like from terminator with the round barrel, like a 12 shot with these tear gas cocktails which make you cry and puke and they pop them off into the cells during a riot.

shit's buckwild man.

trust me they carry tazers on them. I was just at a bar and some drunk ass was walking around all billy bad ass with that liquid courage trying to initiate a fight with everyone.. Walked up to an officer and got in his face like "fuck the cops" blah blah, cop pulled his tazer out and armed it and asked him to bounce or get tazed for being an ass in front of everyone...

I mean of course I laughed, dickhead deserved it...

but the cop didn't taze him and then say, fuck who...

where I think that cop would've in this situation. I mean obviously the guy grabs his head after the gun goes off like oh man... and it's going to haunt him, but that's negligence period.

Well man, I DON'T KNOW, neither do you. we don't know what was said, why this happened, what the suspect said, what the police said. i'd like more information.......... I think KILLING the guy was a bit extreme as well. but i could SEE where it COULD be considered.

it is possible like i said, the cop could have pulled the gun to get the guy to stop doing what ever it is, and the cops finger slipped, or he made a bad discion or he was a trigger happy cop (not good) or he was plain old SCARED! dude only had 2 years in.

It's standard issue.

Either way. This motherfucker is going to get it.
Oh, well me not being from THAT area i don't know what is/isn't i just had a hard time believe everyone has it.

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 02:57 PM

I would have shot your cousin too. Not 12 times but I definitely would have capped his ass for evading arrest and trying to assault me.

ok thanks I guess.

I think it's fucking retarded that you feel the need to justify yourself using the word "black" to describe, a black man.
Are you assuming i'm justifying anything by throwing in the race card, or just making the thread title more alluring. Obviously it piqued your interest, I'm more than glad to ask a mod to change it if I have offended you. I got nothing but "quan" for you bro.

WTF else is he? No need to justify your usage.
I think if anything you're trying to justify the usage, got a problem take it up with the mods bro. have them replace it with young 22 year old father of 4 year old girl.

If you offended anyone by that word then all you've done is brought an ignorant person out from their hiding spot.

What word, black? it's the new millenium try not to let it get in your panties too much man I've dealt with it my whole life. it's not like I said positive strong negro brother being held down by whitey. So please do not twist my use of the word for what it is and what it wasnt.

that will be the last time I address it, if you guys can't handle it. I'll close the thread.

thanks, and back on topic.

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 03:00 PM

You really didn't need to say black man.

You could have just said guy, but whatever that doesn't really matter. That guy is dead because of typical cop indiscretion.

cc4usmc

01-06-2009, 03:00 PM

I like the story where cops were chasing two suspects, and end up shooting a completely different guy to death after he came out of his house to see what all the noise was. The OP's story might have been a bad example, but cops and discretion shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

Koopa Troopa

01-06-2009, 03:05 PM

Quit taking my post out of context because I said I'd shoot your cousin for trying to assault me. Reading comprehension. Clearly you don't have it.

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 03:09 PM

it is possible like i said, the cop could have pulled the gun to get the guy to stop doing what ever it is, and the cops finger slipped, or he made a bad discion or he was a trigger happy cop (not good) or he was plain old SCARED! dude only had 2 years in.

Oh, well me not being from THAT area i don't know what is/isn't i just had a hard time believe everyone has it.
Cops are trained to keep their finger straight and off the trigger when holding their gun.

Not to mention, it's kind of hard to scare someone with a gun when the guy couldn't even see that an officer had drawn a gun.

You aren't supposed to use tactics such as on people as an officer.
ok thanks I guess.

Are you assuming i'm justifying anything by throwing in the race card, or just making the thread title more alluring. Obviously it piqued your interest, I'm more than glad to ask a mod to change it if I have offended you. I got nothing but "quan" for you bro.

I think if anything you're trying to justify the usage, got a problem take it up with the mods bro. have them replace it with young 22 year old father of 4 year old girl.

What word, black? it's the new millenium try not to let it get in your panties too much man I've dealt with it my whole life. it's not like I said positive strong negro brother being held down by whitey. So please do not twist my use of the word for what it is and what it wasnt.

that will be the last time I address it, if you guys can't handle it. I'll close the thread.

thanks, and back on topic.
Dude is black. Nothing wrong with stating that. It has to do with the topic. I see NOTHING wrong with you stating that.
You really didn't need to say black man.

You could have just said guy, but whatever that doesn't really matter. That guy is dead because of typical cop indiscretion.
Dude. Stop trying to make this into something this isn't.

HalveBlue

01-06-2009, 03:09 PM

ya'll must have some crooked as fucking cops,

But your trying to tell me, That if the guy in the Video would have just sat down and acted cool he still would have got shot? just cause that's how cops are out by you?

That's completely and utterly irrelevant.

First of all, the police aren't tasked with carrying out punishment. That's what the courts are for.

Second, the use of lethal force is only permitted in severe circumstances. The situation in the video doesn't warrant the use of lethal force.

Why:

1. The suspect was already cuffed.

2. The situation was actually already pretty much under control. If you pay attention to the video you'll notice that there's actually two other individuals, already cuffed, set off to the side. Also, the are where this happened had already been sectioned off by two other officers (you can see them further off in the background). The "crowd" was isolated in the train.

3. Even if the suspect was uncooperative, non compliance does not merit lethal force.

Chances are, the man that got shot was probably being non compliant because he probably didn't know why he was being arrested, cuffed, etc.

Although in most states an officers does not need to immediately inform you why you are being arrested, I'm willing to bet that if the officers would have taken the time to calmly and clearly explain the situation, this would not have happened.

Face it, this is a case of a rookie cop fucking up. He didn't follow SOP and wasn't communicating properly with the two other law enforcement officers. He let his nerves and aggression get the best of him and it ended up with a unjustified use of his weapon.

SHIFT_*grind*

01-06-2009, 03:10 PM

Hey, look, some humor!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXJhTneBNm8

Skip ahead to ~2:20. Moral: If a cop points a taser at you and tells you like 8 times to get out of your car, get out of your car.

GET OUT OR I AM GOING TO TAZE YOU

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 03:14 PM

Dude. Stop trying to make this into something this isn't.

I'm not trying to make it into anything. I plainly observed that sticking black man in the title wasn't necessary but, it also doesn't really matter. That's all I said plain and simple.

:gives:

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 03:15 PM

Quit taking my post out of context because I said I'd shoot your cousin for trying to assault me. Reading comprehension. Clearly you don't have it.

ok bro, now you know how it feels and the point has been made, please shoot me a pm if you want to discuss this further.

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 03:16 PM

I'm not trying to make it into anything. I plainly observed that sticking black man in the title wasn't necessary but, it also doesn't really matter. That's all I said plain and simple.

:gives:

You're acting like he called him a NiGERiaN or something.

cc4usmc

01-06-2009, 03:18 PM

Well it is in parenthesis...

:drama:

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 03:19 PM

Cops are trained to keep their finger straight and off the trigger when holding their gun.

Not to mention, it's kind of hard to scare someone with a gun when the guy couldn't even see that an officer had drawn a gun.

You aren't supposed to use tactics such as on people as an officer.

I know whaat they are and aren't spoused to do. but if drawing/showing a gun to scare someone or to stop someone so everything can end quietly is something i think would be ok.

That's completely and utterly irrelevant.

First of all, the police aren't tasked with carrying out punishment. That's what the courts are for.

Second, the use of lethal force is only permitted in severe circumstances. The situation in the video doesn't warrant the use of lethal force.

Why:

1. The suspect was already cuffed.

2. The situation was actually already pretty much under control. If you pay attention to the video you'll notice that there's actually two other individuals, already cuffed, set off to the side. Also, the are where this happened had already been sectioned off by two other officers (you can see them further off in the background). The "crowd" was isolated in the train.

3. Even if the suspect was uncooperative, non compliance does not merit lethal force.

Chances are, the man that got shit was probably being non compliant because he probably didn't know why he was being arrested, cuffed, etc.

Although in most states and officers does not need to immediately inform you why you are being arrested, I'm willing to bet that if the officers would have taken the time to calmly and clearly explain the situation, this would not have happened.

Face it, this is a case of a rookie cop fucking up. He didn't follow SOP and wasn't communicating properly with the two other law enforcement officers.

So your telling me if the guy would have been more ruley nothing differant would have happened.

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 03:20 PM

Just another board i post on is quick to start saying dumb shit like "oh he's black no wonder" so it kind of was more of a warning for the ignorant minded.

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 03:21 PM

Honestly, there are countless things that could have been done that night.

But in this case, THIS outcome happened.

So we should only talk about what happened.

Just another board i post on is quick to start saying dumb shit like "oh he's black no wonder" so it kind of was more of a warning for the ignorant minded.

On the contraire one could say, "Oh, the cop is white. No wonder."

But to me this is more an issue of a bad outcome more so than race.

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 03:25 PM

You're acting like he called him a NiGERiaN or something.

No I'm not... I'm not acting like anything.

If anything you're the one trying to make it into something. It has nothing to do with race at all just the fact that it is not necessary to put someones race in the title. Especially if it is not a race based thread.

When I make a thread, say I was putting exhaust up for sale I don't say "White Man Selling S13 Exhaust". That is all there is nothing else to it. If it doesn't need to be there, it doesn't need to be there. I am not up in arms about it, just purely observing.

titty ass fuck who cares about this petty shit, that is ultimately about nothing.

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 03:25 PM

thank you zar... lets head to on topic town folks, this thread shall not be de-railed.

just in case you guys forgot how to pm... (in case you have more bickering to do.)

would you also like to know how to use the PM feature?

you find the user who you would like to pm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/om1kron/1.jpg

you click on their name and this menu appears, select the highlighted option for best results.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/om1kron/2.jpg

if your screen looks like this then you have succeeded.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/om1kron/3.jpg

click submit and pat yourself on the back and go have a glass of milk.

shits fucked either way.

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 03:25 PM

this thread is only getting worse, it should be locked.

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 03:27 PM

Actually, from this post on, I say only educated discussion regarding the situation be made.

It would be sad that zilvia sucks so hard as to where it can't even have people talk about current events.

START!

HyperTek

01-06-2009, 03:33 PM

i feel you zar, alot of threads get closed because of debates...

lets stay on topic guys. we all have our opinions, no need to challenge other members.

Im still stumped over the fact that the cop felt the right to pull out his gun if he felt this person was dangerous... It would be great if these cops would make public speaches and what not about the situation, but they never do, they usually get to hide behind their departments.. The public never gets to hear the situation from their side, so we tend to make judgements upon media feeds.

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 03:34 PM

That sucks, either way.

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 03:35 PM

BART urges patience during fatal shooting probe
By TERRY COLLINS Associated Press Writer
Posted: 01/05/2009 12:10:07 AM PST

OAKLAND, Calif.—Law enforcement officials urged patience while they investigated details surrounding the fatal New Year's Day shooting of a 22-year-old man by a transit agency police officer.
Bay Area Rapid Transit Police Chief Gary Gee said on Sunday that the agency is "committed to completing an unbiased, thorough and detailed investigation" of the shooting death of Oscar Grant.

"This case is not even four days cold. We're in the early stages of the investigation and we will do a very thorough job," he said.

Several unanswered questions remained after BART officers went to Oakland's Fruitvale station to investigate reports of a supposed brawl on a train on which Grant was riding around 2 a.m. Thursday.

A friend of Grant's who was with him on the crowded Oakland train station platform at the time of the shooting said Grant pleaded with officers not to harm him.

"Oscar yelled, 'You shot me! I got a four-year-old daughter,'" said Fernando Anicete. "Oscar was telling us to calm down and we did. We weren't looking for any trouble."

Anicete was among more than 50 people attending a tearful news conference in Oakland on Sunday where Grant's family announced they planned to file a $25 million claim against the Bay Area Rapid Transit agency this week. A claim is the first step in the process of suing the agency.

The family's attorney John Burris said the shooting was intentional, and that he planned to ask Alameda County prosecutors to seek criminal charges against the officer. Burris said Grant, of Hayward, Calif., posed no threat to officers when a bullet entered his back and ricocheted to his lung area, killing him almost instantly http://forums.clubsi.com/images/graemlins/default/eek.gif.
"The officer leaned (in), was straddling over him and pointed his gun directly into the backside and shot (Grant)," said Burris, adding that Grant was handcuffed—after he was shot. http://forums.clubsi.com/images/graemlins/default/dunno.gif"This was not a deadly force situation."

Gee said BART police are fully cooperating with the district attorney's investigation.

Grant's mother, Wanda Johnson, and Sophina Mesa, his daughter's mother, wept uncontrollably as Burris spoke about Grant. They did not speak, but several said Grant, a butcher at a supermarket near the train station where he was killed, was a loving father showing signs of maturation.

Cephus "Bobby" Johnson, Grant's uncle, said he text messaged his nephew just after midnight Thursday saying, "Happy New Year ... I love you."

Johnson never got a reply.

"I wondered why he didn't text me back," a teary-eyed Johnson said. "And then I found out why."

BART spokesman Jim Allison has said the officer's gun went off while police were trying to restrain Grant and that Grant was not cuffed. The unidentified officer is on paid leave as BART investigates the shooting.

Mario Pangelina, Mesa's brother who was riding on the same train, two cars behind Grant on Thursday morning, said Sunday he saw Grant beg police not to Taser him because of his child.

"He kept saying, 'Please, please don't Tase me,'" Pangelina said. "He was not acting hostile."

Other witnesses said Grant was lying on his stomach on the station's platform when he was shot.

Recordings of the shooting by witnesses have surfaced and Burris said BART had confiscated numerous cell phone images from others he believes contain additional footage.

Services for Grant will be held Wednesday.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11370583

SHIFT_*grind*

01-06-2009, 03:37 PM

I want to think that it was some sort of accident, but damn. Fuzzy as the video is, all I see is the cop pulling the gun, pointing it at the guy, and shooting.

I mean, maybe he meant to just point it to scare the guy - who is face down on the ground and can't see it anyway.... - and accidentally pulled the trigger, but either way, there should be some serious consequences here.

HyperTek

01-06-2009, 03:39 PM

Recordings of the shooting by witnesses have surfaced and Burris said BART had confiscated numerous cell phone images from others he believes contain additional footage.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11370583

Wow they trying to cover that shit up??

Flicktitty i understand you might be upset because we are leaning more towards blaming the police on this one and you have a closer relation/respect for the police, but theres evidence in these videos that show the actions taken where a little too extreme for the situation.

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 03:39 PM

another interesting tidbit about law enforcement firearms is that their triggers are normally dampened I guess the word would be, i'm not a big gun guy...

but a normal glocks initial trigger pressure required to burst the first round is 4.5lbs, a law enforcement gun is stiffer up to around 8lbs. So it's not like he was handling some Jean Cleade Van Damne super cannon with a hair trigger.

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 03:41 PM

Wow they trying to cover that shit up??

You forget the economy is in a bad place right now, officers are even getting laid off although that's not really being publicly being made news because obviously "uproar" where are the police?

oh the recession hit their asses.

so a media circus of negligence surrounding your station doesn't make good for state budgeting ect. Which really just fucks up everything for the officers who didn't shoot.

HyperTek

01-06-2009, 03:42 PM

^so they have to more intentionally have to pull the trigger as opposed to a slip up?

HalveBlue

01-06-2009, 03:42 PM

I know whaat they are and aren't spoused to do. but if drawing/showing a gun to scare someone or to stop someone so everything can end quietly is something i think would be ok.

Police departments operate, or at least should, within the framework of Standard Operating Procedures in these kinds of situations.

It's irrelevant what you feel would be right - especially since in this case you're absolutely wrong; brandishing a weapon is NEVER a good way to defuse a situation - SOPs are in place to present a simple, accepted standard of permissible behavior.

So your telling me if the guy would have been more ruley nothing differant would have happened.

No, I'm telling you to think a little more clearly about the situation at hand.

Even if the poor dude that got shot was spitting in the cops face and telling him to fuck off that's not enough to warrant the use of deadly force.

A lot of younger cops have a tendency to act overtly aggressive. They think because they "talk loud, they talk right". Even if the guy that got shot was being aggressive (which he wasn't at first if at all) a good law enforcement officer would have been able to defuse and control the situation.

Even if the guy was being non responsive and uncooperative, I guarantee you that if the officers would have taken the extra 15 minutes for the guy to calm down and clearly explain what was going on to the guy the situation would have ended differently.

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 03:48 PM

Wow they trying to cover that shit up??

Flicktitty i understand you might be upset because we are leaning more towards blaming the police on this one and you have a closer relation/respect for the police, but theres evidence in these videos that show the actions taken where a little too extreme for the situation.
Yeah man, Idk...it's a shitty situation either way.....i wish i was in cali to see more news reports on it. i haven't heard anything of it yet besides here. i'll look into it.

and i don't think there gonna "cover it up" they just want all the footage possible to use during the investigation.

murda-c

01-06-2009, 03:49 PM

This is why i wear body armor to work.

SHIFT_*grind*

01-06-2009, 03:49 PM

Wow they trying to cover that shit up??

Or maybe get more information about what happened? :tinhat:

Flicktitty

01-06-2009, 03:52 PM

Police departments operate, or at least should, within the framework of Standard Operating Procedures in these kinds of situations.

It's irrelevant what you feel would be right - especially since in this case you're absolutely wrong; brandishing a weapon is NEVER a good way to defuse a situation - SOPs are in place to present a simple, accepted standard of permissible behavior.

No, I'm telling you to think a little more clearly about the situation at hand.

Even if the poor dude that got shot was spitting in the cops face and telling him to fuck off that's not enough to warrant the use of deadly force.

A lot of younger cops have a tendency to act overtly aggressive. They think because they "talk loud, they talk right". Even if the guy that got shot was being aggressive (which he wasn't at first if at all) a good law enforcement officer would have been able to defuse and control the situation.

Even if the guy was being non responsive and uncooperative, I guarantee you that if the officers would have taken the extra 15 minutes for the guy to calm down and clearly explain what was going on to the guy the situation would have ended differently.

i have a question for you. DO YOU KNOW THE GUY THAT GOT SHOT DIDN'T have a wepon? that he didn't say anything about hurting or killing a cop? NO. i doubt it.

i'd like to ask you another question...... I'm asssuming you drift, or could if you had to/wanted to.....well if your driving 70mph and hit a patch of ice your adrenaline gets pumping and you might forget shit you were taught same thing could happen, it shouldn't have but it could.

alexander500

01-06-2009, 03:55 PM

That cop should be made an example out of.

Put him in jail and throw away the key.

I hope the victim's family get's every penny they can from the police department.

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 03:55 PM

dynamicck

01-06-2009, 03:59 PM

That guy in handcuff was not a treat. He was being uncooperative, but not hostile. Those officers are fucked, i hope they get punished.

Your cousin on the other hand was being hostile and a threat. They shot him 11 times, because you shoot to kill, not shoot to injure. Knowing that he had stabbed his gf, they probably assumed he not in the "right state of mind." Either bad temper, drugs, or alcohol. Injuring a suspect like that would only anger them more.

Same thing happened in orange county when some Korean kid was shot for holding a crowbar and would not put it down. He was shot multiple times, and he didnt even swing at the officers.

wheresthaboost?

01-06-2009, 04:01 PM

fuck the police, that shit was sad and wrong...

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 04:03 PM

they also have to have their off duty guns modified too so things like this don't happen again.

Cause if they shoot someone when off duty, the dept is still responsible.

When Aaron Mansker shot Steve Foley, he was off duty. Foley got $5.5 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Foley_(linebacker) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Foley_%28linebacker%29)

The city of San Diego is being sued over this incident where an off-duty cop blasted a drunk mom and her kid during a road rage incident..
SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Metro -- Shooting case fascinating to legal experts (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080802-9999-1m2pros.html)

HalveBlue

01-06-2009, 04:18 PM

i have a question for you. DO YOU KNOW THE GUY THAT GOT SHOT DIDN'T have a wepon? that he didn't say anything about hurting or killing a cop? NO. i doubt it.

Doesn't really matter, either way. The mere possession of a weapon does not justify the use of lethal force. Neither does a verbal threat of death.

...adrenaline gets pumping and you might forget shit you were taught same thing could happen, it shouldn't have but it could.

Again, that's irrelevant.

You're injecting too much emotion into your arguments.

I understand the impact of emotions and hormones in these types of very stressful situations. But a LEO is trained and expected to deal with that.

Again, the officer didn't follow proper procedure. He's wrong. Simple as that.

VROOOM

01-06-2009, 04:25 PM

i was always taught finger off the trigger unless your gonna shoot. how come the cops finger was on the trigger. it seems that would be something that they teach the first day of weapons training.

Matej

01-06-2009, 04:27 PM

i hope when you NEED a cop to come save/help you they think this punk say's fuck cops.
The couple times I needed police help, they never did, and only made matters more complicated.

origin_s135

01-06-2009, 04:34 PM

The couple times I needed police help, they never did, and only made matters more complicated.

seriously, i remember when my friend's died in a car accident[i'm 15 minutes away on the freeway]. i exit, trying to look for the car that flew out, next thing you know the chp shows up made me do the sobriety test. wtf.

Mi Beardo es Loco

01-06-2009, 04:55 PM

YouTube - POLICE FATALLY SHOOT UNARMED MAN - Laying Face Down and Shot in The Back! CAUGHT ON VIDEO! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHjhtYZpX0)

here's the youtube of it for peole who can't watch it. It was cold blooded murder at it's worst. The cop will probably life for murder. Courts don't take kindly to this.

Also, A friend of mine's parents, in their 50's mind you, were driving when a cop pulled them over because they "matched the description of a robbery suspect." yeah right. They had a Imprezza station wagon and they had their yellow lab in the backseat. The cop had my friends' parents and another friend get out of the car and kneel down and they got handcuffed. They said "my dog is in the trunk", the cop opened up the trunk, the dog walked a few feet and the cop shot him and said "not anymore he's not." Well the jist of it was they WERE NOT their "robbery suspects", they're suing the highway patrol for over 10 million, and the cop is being charged in a MURDER case. The cop has already been let go and the argument for murder is that if a police K9 is considered a police officer than a K9 belonging to a innocent party is innocent suspect. The shooting was done in cold blood and animal rights activists are always spray painting the guys house and harrassing his family. I hope he rots in hell for that.

Mi Beardo es Loco

01-06-2009, 04:57 PM

seriously, i remember when my friend's died in a car accident[i'm 15 minutes away on the freeway]. i exit, trying to look for the car that flew out, next thing you know the chp shows up made me do the sobriety test. wtf.
that is when you can warrent not pulling over. If you have a cell phone, call 911 and they will follow you until you submit. No charges will be filed if justified.

cc4usmc

01-06-2009, 05:04 PM

Wow that guy is fucked.

For your viewing pleasure..

http://nevergetbusted.com/kopbusters/index.php

mRclARK1

01-06-2009, 05:04 PM

Normally I'm for giving the police the benefit of the doubt. A lot of people don't know the shit they put up with everyday. However that video looks pretty damning. Even if the shooting was accidental, he had no apparent reason to even draw his weapon...

i was always taught finger off the trigger unless your gonna shoot. how come the cops finger was on the trigger. it seems that would be something that they teach the first day of weapons training.

Safety off and finger on the trigger means someone is likely getting shot... But no, your finger should not be on the trigger unless you intend to fire.

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 05:28 PM

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 05:31 PM

The thing I hate most about cops is even when you are 100% innocent, if they suspect you of anything they handcuff you and bust you into the ground.

Then after the fact when you are let go, you are left with no recourse but to report the officer, which does nothing.

The only reason cops handcuff you is to, "detain your for your own safety."

It's pretty much to help keep you from running away, or attacking the officer.

It isn't fun because they cops will act like you are a criminal even if you aren't doing anything wrong...

And to add to that, they try and force you to admit guilt even if you have no clue wtf they are talking about.

It's all part of training, but gets used a little out of hand/context.

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 05:36 PM

mRclARK1

01-06-2009, 05:46 PM

Oh I know the reasons for it, I just hate the fact that most of them do it and there is nothing you can do about it. "My own safety my ass" if I was innocent and an officer just so much as asked me to sit down calmly with my hands where he could see them, I would gladly oblige. Simply detaining everyone is shitty and you know after a long day that cop just loves to be dominant and slam your face into the concrete while doing so.

Pretty fucked up if you ask me.

We need robot cops. Humans are not fit for the role of policing, emotion clouds judgement and reactions.

Lots of cops are assholes yes. But when a straight thinking GOOD cop does do something they feel is necessary, such as cuff you and place you on the ground it IS often for your own safety, as well as theirs. Why? They don't know who the fuck you are at all... They have no idea what you might try and pull and that way you don't try anything stupid and get, maybe even shot.

I know several cops. Some are dicks... They'll do BS things to people for no reason. Others are real cool guys. Cops are mostly like anyone else, just take them as individuals. Be courteous, don't assume you'll be treated badly, and you'll often find they're not so bad.

FWIW as well, one of the cops I know didn't cuff/restrain someone who seemed completely docile and co-operative, he mentioned to me after the incident the man even acted and spoke very friendly, he figured he could afford not to, and not perpetuate the "asshole cop" stereotype.

It got him punched HARD in the side of the head, when he turned for just a second, and the man's hand going for his gun. In return the man got thrown to the ground and a few good whacks from a baton... Then he was cuffed and restrained.

It would have been for his own safety as well as my friends.

He had stopped the man for speeding and asked him out of the vehicle to bring some problems with it to his attention (illegal modifications... Something we all know a bit about. haha). This wasn't some punk kid, or homeless looking drug addict etc... He was a middle age, well dressed family man.

WildAsDaTaliban

01-06-2009, 05:50 PM

it would be tight if i could get away with shooting cops because i felt threatened by them.

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 05:50 PM

mRclARK1 pretty much hit the nail on the head right there.

Shit, I have a hard enough time trusting people I DO know.

Let alone someone I don't know who may or may not be a criminal.

it would be tight if i could get away with shooting cops because i felt threatened by them.

Wtf. Are you kidding me?

Way to act like a child with such an asinine statement.

You have NO idea how it feels to take someone else's life.

mRclARK1

01-06-2009, 05:59 PM

mRclARK1 pretty much hit the nail on the head right there.

Shit, I have a hard enough time trusting people I DO know.

Let alone someone I don't know who may or may not be a criminal.

Exactly. Put yourself in an officers shoes... You NEVER know what a person might do.

Wtf. Are you kidding me?

Way to act like a child with such an asinine statement.

You have NO idea how it feels to take someone else's life.

Obviously. Any normal, sound of mind, human being does not want to kill another, and if you ever do? You never feel completely normal or the same again after. It's not like the movies. Killing someone isn't "cool". It's horrible. But unfortunately sometimes necessary.

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 06:02 PM

Lots of cops are assholes yes. But when a straight thinking GOOD cop does do something they feel is necessary, such as cuff you and place you on the ground it IS often for your own safety, as well as theirs. Why? They don't know who the fuck you are at all... They have no idea what you might try and pull and that way you don't try anything stupid and get, maybe even shot.

I know several cops. Some are dicks... They'll do BS things to people for no reason. Others are real cool guys. Cops are mostly like anyone else, just take them as individuals. Be courteous, don't assume you'll be treated badly, and you'll often find they're not so bad.

FWIW as well, one of the cops I know didn't cuff/restrain someone who seemed completely docile and co-operative, he mentioned to me after the incident the man even acted and spoke very friendly, he figured he could afford not to, and not perpetuate the "asshole cop" stereotype.

It got him punched HARD in the side of the head, when he turned for just a second, and the man's hand going for his gun. In return the man got thrown to the ground and a few good whacks from a baton... Then he was cuffed and restrained.

It would have been for his own safety as well as my friends.

He had stopped the man for speeding and asked him out of the vehicle to bring some problems with it to his attention (illegal modifications... Something we all know a bit about. haha). This wasn't some punk kid, or homeless looking drug addict etc... He was a middle age, well dressed family man.

Like I said, I already know why they do it.

But when put in the situation it feels like you have been completely violated and fucked when you were just going about your business. Combined with the fact that you have no legal recourse unless the officer really oversteps the boundary.

Leads me to the conclusion that we need Robocops.

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 06:13 PM

mRclARK1

01-06-2009, 06:15 PM

Like I said, I already know why they do it.

But when put in the situation it feels like you have been completely violated and fucked when you were just going about your business. Combined with the fact that you have no legal recourse unless the officer really oversteps the boundary.

Leads me to the conclusion that we need Robocops.

You only feel violated because you're taking it personally WHEN it happens... It's not like this is a weekly or daily occurrence to you. Also, trust me, when you DO report an officer, you may never hear of it again... But they do. I'm not saying being in the situation is easy, but being a dick to the cop, or resisting will do nothing to make it better. Even if the cop is a bad apple, all you'll do is provoke him further...

Know why cops pay so much attention to past criminal activity when dealing with a person and/or suspect?

Over EIGHTY percent of crimes are committed by previous offenders... The majority of crime is committed by a small (relatively) group of repeat offenders and not one time or first time offenders. For those of you who do have a record? Deal with it. The facts aren't going away, and no, it's not profiling. It's probability.

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 06:18 PM

Word up to big bird yo.

WildAsDaTaliban

01-06-2009, 06:23 PM

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 06:27 PM

You're not aiding to the conversation.

Five minutes of time out.

satal95

01-06-2009, 06:29 PM

DAmn this shit is screwes up. If i was the family i would just handcuff the cop and shoot him in the back. If anything he'll get away with a slap on the wrist and leave without pay

mRclARK1

01-06-2009, 06:30 PM

well. that's what cops do. they get away all the time with killing people because they "feel threatened". what if i feel threatened by a cop, he has a gun and shit, so i shoot him before he shoots me right?

You obviously have no idea of the difference between "feeling threatened" and "being threatened"

I would like to hear of a situation where a cop shot someone and was deemed justified, with absolutely no discipline whatsoever, because they "felt threatened"

WildAsDaTaliban

01-06-2009, 06:36 PM

all i'm saying is, cops get away with killing people all the time.

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 06:37 PM

Also, trust me, when you DO report an officer, you may never hear of it again... But they do.

Of course I take it personally. It's me, I'm a person and they do such things with no justifiable cause. I'm not exactly one to say "oh yeah it's all good and dandy cause not all cops are like this" blah blah etc...

They may get skipped when raises come around, but I'd much rather just get a one time shot to slam his head into the ground while his hands are behind his back.

There really does need to be some huge reformations made to this countries police force. This incident is just one more in a long series of jarring and awakening cases.

5150Fab

01-06-2009, 07:04 PM

innovation

01-06-2009, 07:11 PM

Well I am amazed nobody has posted this here yet.

Video (http://www.ktvu.com/video/18409133/index.html)

(fastforward to 1:45)

that shit is buckwild.

I have not mentioned this here before because I didn't feel necessary but my cousin was killed in 2008 by the police. I mean I wasn't there so I dunno what went down but I guess he flipped out and stabbed his girlfriend freaked out and ran from the scene in his boxers and a wife beater into some development property around the corner...

Well they got a helicopter and k-9's to sniff him out, located him in said development our in rosemead or reseda cant recall and instead of sending the dog in after him, the officers went in and apparently my cousin felt the need to defend himself against the police and swung a pipe at officers who approached him with guns drawn and hit one of them on the forearm...

this prompted the officers to unload 12 slugs into my cousin who was 5'6 150lbs wet.

Till this day I really don't know what was going through his head and why the officers had to use deadly force. Oh yeah the excuse was his previous assault and battery charge and jailtime he did.

The cops felt this was a good enough reason to use the force they did because they didn't know what he was capable of.

which is fucking bullshit. He got pinned with assault and battery because he was at a bar, some dumbshit was harassing him and his girlfriend, so my cousin took a swing at him and landed that magic knock out punch on dude... and decided to take his wallet for inconveniencing him. "kinda like snatching someones chain" dude woke up, said he was beat down and robbed and id'ed my cousin in a line up.

sigh...

So to see this just makes you think if cops sometimes are full of shit with their misuse of lies and violations of our civil rights when they infact are guilty of manslaughter and negligent discharge scenario's like this.

(I am panamanian, Jamaican, and Irish btw hence why I mentioned "black" in the title)

I am a cop and did you read what you wrote? "and decided to take his wallet for inconveniencing him. "kinda like snatching someones chain" ."

That alone explains the character of your cousin. Also Im sorry about your cousin being shot and killed, yet any person swinging a PIPE at me or a fellow officer has the intent to hurt and possibly kill. Now I'm not defending the actions of those cops nor do I know the story, but if you or anyone else intended to swing a pipe at me and possibly hit me please be assured I will do what must be done to protect those who are with me and possibly others who could be harmed by this individual. Cops are here to serve and protect. Its not the officers fault that your cousin decided to STAB a person. You do realize stabbing someone can and may KILL them right? I'm sure if your cousin didnt take a knife to the women he would probably have lived. But based on his character and personal choices I could only imagine that it would only get worse down the road.

HyperTek

01-06-2009, 07:17 PM

well. that's what cops do. they get away all the time with killing people because they "feel threatened". what if i feel threatened by a cop, he has a gun and shit, so i shoot him before he shoots me right?

then you just murdered someone.. even if you where protecting yourself and someone broke into your house and you shot em, you are still up for trial until proven guilty something like that.

s13_redSILVIA

01-06-2009, 07:24 PM

WOW...

wtff :(

murda-c

01-06-2009, 07:31 PM

I've got a license to kill.

or maybe it was to Ill i'm not sure.

Either way it's real gangsta.

If that cop doesn't go to jail i'm gonna start a riot.

jskateborders

01-06-2009, 07:33 PM

did you watch the vid? they said it went through HIS BACK. not his head.i hope when you NEED a cop to come save/help you they think this punk say's fuck cops.

Grow up.:lockd:
My mistake, but the back is the same fucking thing, and your an idiot. I hope next time you and your buddy dont agree and you are apprehended they shoot you in the back while your cuffed on the ground. Go fuck yourself telling me to grow up. Look at the world around you. And for the record, everytime I did need help from a cop, it didnt happen. And yes, there are good cops out there, but you know what happens to them? They good put on desk jobs for not going along.

then you just murdered someone.. even if you where protecting yourself and someone broke into your house and you shot em, you are still up for trial until proven guilty something like that.
And all the cop has to worry about is losing his job. You think hes really going to do jail time for that, your mistaken. At most hell be placed in some white collar resort for a couple of months. The system is fucked, face it. You just need to do your best to be a decent person and hope the other guy does the same, and if he doesnt, pray to god he is not a badged government employee.

my cusin Jimmy got shot outside of a stop&shop by a cop. he stole a pack of dipers because he was broke and kids dont just not shit when your broke. The cop shot him for running from him...could happen to anyone...

shitty...they get away with this shit
Being broke is a fuckin shitty excuse to steal shit. You can get food stamps and get diapers. In now way am I saying the officer had any right to fire a weapon at someone running away, but the whole, "he stole because he was broke" thing is a big bag a fail. Get a fucking job, and no, jobs are never hard to find unless your a felon, but if your able bodied, the only jobs that are hard to find are ones that you want to do. Period. Fucking work at mcdonalds, put in overtime if you have to. Dont steal shit.

Om1kron

01-06-2009, 07:43 PM

I am a cop and did you read what you wrote? "and decided to take his wallet for inconveniencing him. "kinda like snatching someones chain" ."

That alone explains the character of your cousin.

Well he's dead now so now worries.

Yet any person swinging a PIPE at me or a fellow officer has the intent to hurt and possibly kill. Now I'm not defending the actions of those cops nor do I know the story, but if you or anyone else intended to swing a pipe at me and possibly hit me please be assured I will do what must be done to protect those who are with me and possibly others who could be harmed by this individual.

Like I said, if my job boiled down to a "me or you" situation, you bet your ass I am coming out on top.

But since it was a manhunt with dogs and backup and helicopters and shit, not like some casual "SURPRISE MAFFAKA" encounter where you had to think fast.

I'm not going to side with you on how the situation was approached.

As far as what you had to say... he was sent to prison for merely pulling a prank on someone who threatened him while in public and was sent to PRISON not jail like punks who get DUI's and beat their wives...

But prison with murderers and people who do fucked up shit without motive and ever since he was released from prison he was not "right" upstairs anymore.

But like I said, he's dead no point in beating a dead horse.

zylvia213

01-06-2009, 07:57 PM

wow that video is crazy makes the PD department look really bad. It's scary to see stuff like this, makes you wonder what kind of offices we have out there patroling the streets. "TO PROTECT AND SERVE"....... I dont know bout that

mRclARK1

01-06-2009, 08:00 PM

Of course I take it personally. It's me, I'm a person and they do such things with no justifiable cause. I'm not exactly one to say "oh yeah it's all good and dandy cause not all cops are like this" blah blah etc...

They may get skipped when raises come around, but I'd much rather just get a one time shot to slam his head into the ground while his hands are behind his back.

There really does need to be some huge reformations made to this countries police force. This incident is just one more in a long series of jarring and awakening cases.

You've obviously never dealt with the police forces in a lot of foreign countries... I have and trust me, cops in North America are a delight to deal with in comparison.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to be upset when you are treated unfairly, but you're forgetting that that police have certain powers for a reason, and that's because the job requires them. They have a right to detain or restrain you if they have a reason. Maybe sometimes that reason is in error, or is not sufficient, that does not justify taking that power away however. Without it they can't do their job at all. Hopefully you can understand the logic behind what I'm saying here... But the system will ALWAYS be subject to human error and flaws. Cops get a view like the military... You only ever hear about the bad shit that happens. Not the good things that they do everyday.

jskateborders

01-06-2009, 08:04 PM

Yea there are cops in other countrys that are worse, but that doesnt justify it. Theres people that eat out of trashcans, so should I settle for bread and water and be happy?

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 08:05 PM

my cusin Jimmy got shot outside of a stop&shop by a cop. he stole a pack of dipers because he was broke and kids dont just not shit when your broke. The cop shot him for running from him...could happen to anyone...

shitty...they get away with this shit

That is a shitty excuse.

I know someone who was fresh out of college and found his/her self broke with not a dime to their name.

He/She managed to work and find ways to make a dollar LEGALLY.

He/She would go to the store and buy some food. Week by week.

Never ONCE did he/she think about stealing and or robbing someone just so he can get by.

And honestly, from a indifferent stand point. Why the fuck should the owner of the convenience store give a damn about someone else's problems; aka his kids diaper situation. Just because the owner of the store had his act together, does it make it right for him to suffer because your cousin couldn't afford what his kids needed?

Why didn't he put the kids into CPS? I mean obviously he wasn't fit to take care of him.

Or at least man up and ask his family members for a dollar.

Stand on a corner.

SOMETHING.

People who don't speak a word of English travel from all over the world just to come to the States in hope of a job.

They work HARD for their money.

NOTHING was stopping your cousin from working.

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 08:05 PM

You've obviously never dealt with the police forces in a lot of foreign countries... I have and trust me, cops in North America are a delight to deal with in comparison.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to be upset when you are treated unfairly, but you're forgetting that that police have certain powers for a reason, and that's because the job requires them. They have a right to detain or restrain you if they have a reason. Maybe sometimes that reason is in error, or is not sufficient, that does not justify taking that power away however. Without it they can't do their job at all. Hopefully you can understand the logic behind what I'm saying here... But the system will ALWAYS be subject to human error and flaws. Cops get a view like the military... You only ever hear about the bad shit that happens. Not the good things that they do everyday.

Oh I have but, Andrew Jackson and a few of his twin brothers are quite persuasive. Isn't this America? The shining beacon of hope and democracy and all that other stuff? With a militant police force to remind you that you are nothing but a peon in the eyes of the government.

http://cache.defamer.com/assets/images/defamer/2008/07/165732__robocop_l.jpg

Submit.

:cops:

murda-c

01-06-2009, 08:14 PM

That is a shitty excuse.

I know someone who was fresh out of college and found his/her self broke with not a dime to their name.

He/She managed to work and find ways to make a dollar LEGALLY.

He/She would go to the store and buy some food. Week by week.

Never ONCE did he/she think about stealing and or robbing someone just so he can get by.

And honestly, from a indifferent stand point. Why the fuck should the owner of the convenience store give a damn about someone else's problems; aka his kids diaper situation. Just because the owner of the store had his act together, does it make it right for him to suffer because your cousin couldn't afford what his kids needed?

Why didn't he put the kids into CPS? I mean obviously he wasn't fit to take care of him.

Or at least man up and ask his family members for a dollar.

Stand on a corner.

SOMETHING.

People who don't speak a word of English travel from all over the world just to come to the States in hope of a job.

They work HARD for their money.

NOTHING was stopping your cousin from working.

I think the guys point was he got shot for running. In the opposite direction.

jskateborders

01-06-2009, 08:20 PM

I think the guys point was he got shot for running. In the opposite direction.
It was, and zar went off on a tangent, but as i already posted, I completely agree with him.
Lets look at this
Jhons life is hard, so he steals from pete, now petes life is hard so he steals from....
FUCK THEIVES
seriously, should I go steal a car/car parts cause someone stole my car and I currently have no daily driver? My life is hard, I need a car, let me steal one. NO shit happens, but dont make shit happen to someone else cause your life is hard.

mRclARK1

01-06-2009, 08:24 PM

Yea there are cops in other countrys that are worse, but that doesnt justify it. Theres people that eat out of trashcans, so should I settle for bread and water and be happy?

I never said that. Sure better behavior from a lot of cops would be better. But I'm sure you'd rather have a cop be a dick and maybe treat you a little rough rather than stop you on the street and demand money and threaten to take you to jail if it doesn't happen. Or take your passport, at gunpoint, and refuse to give it back...

Yeah. Both have happened to me.

It seems a lot of people in this thread want perfection, or close to it, from a human system. Doesn't happen. Robotic cops aren't happening anytime soon either (as if they wouldn't have issues of their own, just think logically) so deal with it.

Oh I have but, Andrew Jackson and a few of his twin brothers are quite persuasive. Isn't this America? The shining beacon of hope and democracy and all that other stuff? With a militant police force to remind you that you are nothing but a peon in the eyes of the government.

http://cache.defamer.com/assets/images/defamer/2008/07/165732__robocop_l.jpg

Submit.

:cops:

Your counter argument is a picture of robo cop and calling the police forces in the United States militant?

haha

A cop may become militant, by the strict definition of the word, when necessary, but to call them militant by virtue is just asinine.

You let me know when a cop pulls you over, pulls you out of your vehicle and proceeds to beat you without cause and it becomes a frequent occurrence to you and many other people. When it becomes the rule and not the exception.

That's what the vid the OP posted is. The exception. Not the rule. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for making positive changes where they can be made and for dealing with cops who do cross the line. I just get real sick of the people who perpetuate and buy into the stereotype of all cops are like only the bad apples you ever hear about. A lot are genuinely good people who do the job for the right reasons.

jskateborders

01-06-2009, 08:34 PM

I dont want perfection, I just dont have to worry about getting the shit beat out of me or getting shot by a power tripping cop. And, no, its not all that uncommon, look around youtube. And I still stand by my point. This is america. Not russia, not mexico. Cops have a motto "serve and protect" in this country.
And shit like this is happening more and more frequently, bringing us closer and closer to becoming like those countries.

mRclARK1

01-06-2009, 08:36 PM

YouTube?

Ever heard of context? It's everything

YouTube has none.

WildAsDaTaliban

01-06-2009, 08:40 PM

more like protect and serve doughnut shops. lol

TheWolf

01-06-2009, 08:46 PM

how bout not starting a fight on new years on a subway and making cops who are already aggravated with having to work deal with your ignorant ass. as to the OP's story. It's not relevant. Your defense of your cousin as someone other than a ghetto PITA shows your point of view. Many people will see stabing people. Running from the cops. Stealing wallets. Beating people up. Taking swings at police with a pipe. All of this can be summed up as ignant.

as for the cop. it would be nice to hear the conversation. I don't see reason to not stand him up and hand cuff him unless he was mouthing off to the cops and trying to bate them. If that's the case then he messed with a dog that was too big.

murda-c

01-06-2009, 08:48 PM

If the cops shoot first can we shoot back?

jskateborders

01-06-2009, 09:04 PM

WildAsDaTaliban

01-06-2009, 09:06 PM

If the cops shoot first can we shoot back?

good question, i'm wondering that too.

!Zar!

01-06-2009, 09:15 PM

If the cops shoot first can we shoot back?

Sure, you can. But you will be shot to your death.

The real reason is no, why would you want to?

I'm afraid to get shot while I'm being compliant. Let alone if I have a gun.

More the reason for them to shoot me.

jskateborders

01-06-2009, 09:17 PM

answered that question, but just to go a little more into detail, yes, legally, you have every right to defend yourself no matter who the threat is. But, you will likely be killed by another cop and if you do make it to trial, no jury is going to let a "cop killer" go free.

ESmorz

01-06-2009, 09:32 PM

Lots of words

Really and truthfully this specific matter holds little bearing to me. I'm a white kid from the upper middle class who lives in the burbs. I have had nothing but negative experiences with officers of the law. Whether it be the butt fucking retarded people who operate 9-1-1, CHP who like to abuse their power for an unrightful search and then mishandle me and my friends. Or when I was a little skate rat being detained like an actual criminal for skate boarding and being perfectly compliant.

All of that compared to this type of shit is extraordinarily miniscule but, you wouldn't and I wouldn't think of myself as being one to deal with law enforcement by stereotypical standards and in my limited experience they SUCK.

Now I know none of it is ever going to change, cops are people and subject to human error and that is the inherent problem. There is no way to fix that, so it's all we have.

Maybe police officers and and their departments should watch more Spiderman. "With great power, comes great responsibility" and there is no greater power than having the power to kill. More so, having the power to kill and not be able to be legally killed or harmed for any reason.

Maybe they just get the bad apples that are good at hiding what truly fucked up people they are. You get a badge and a gun, you put on a nice smile for everyone at the academy but when you hit the streets. You've got a 9mm detatchable penis and a badge to protect you from any "errors" in judgement. On the flipside there are those who undoubtedly do it to serve, and provide for their families.

It's a fucked up system. We're all fucked.

This will keep happening as long as there are human officers.

I'm tired of typing.

5150Fab

01-07-2009, 12:09 AM

wow some of you guys never fail to amaze me.

i never said it was a good excuse fucko!

shift_haystack

01-07-2009, 12:10 AM

fu*k the police that shit was wrong. i saw the whole thing i was on bart at fruitvale. thing was a set up. the guy was from hayward too. damn 09 is gonna be crazy!

jskateborders

01-07-2009, 01:38 AM

fu*k the police that shit was wrong. i saw the whole thing i was on bart at fruitvale. thing was a set up. the guy was from hayward too. damn 09 is gonna be crazy!
some shit is about to go down in the next two years.

SlideWell

01-07-2009, 04:06 AM

thats fucked up. im sick of their excessive force that they use and get away with so much. i hope this cop gets locked up for life and gets a real taste of justice in prison.

Koopa Troopa

01-07-2009, 06:23 AM

No. You will be found guilty no matter what the circumstances, and thats if you even make it to the courthouse. That being said, If a cop shoots at me and misses, lets just say that I dont miss. I am not some person with the "Im going to kill a cop" mentality. No matter what the title a person is still a human being. And I value human life to the utmost. However, no matter what the title a person is a human being, so If you make a failed attempt at my life ie shoot at me, I will shoot back, and every human being has a right to defend themselves. I dont care if the president of the united states is shooting at you. If they threaten your life, you have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and no one should be allowed to take that away unjustifiably.

Why would you ever be in a situation where cops would be shooting at you? Obviously you are not an outstanding citizen if you have to imagine scenarios of gunfights with the police and what you would do.

Try being a decent fucking citizen. Don't even bother with a retort that you are. Obviously you're lacking something because you have to role play what if scenarios.

shmiddy

01-07-2009, 07:56 AM

imotion s14

01-07-2009, 08:08 AM

Ever notice on cops that everyone of them always say "whatchu 'restin me fo, I ain't done nuthing!"

They're all innocent. It's all a set up.

Sleepy240

01-07-2009, 08:14 AM

damn that video is nuts. its really sad. i think that cop should be put to death. even tho ppl may defent the cop by saying the gun went off on acident, the gun should have never been drawn anyways! THE DUDE WAS HAND CUFFED!! HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER DRAWN HIS GUN IN THE 1ST PLACE. if i were family of this poor kid, i would demand that cops head on a plater. the kid was killed, hands behind his back, like a fuckin dog.. sad story

i hope he gets what he deserved, cuz god knows that kid didnt deserve being shot over something stupid like this

Wow, this is probably the single worst statement I have ever heard... Just because somebody is handcuffed doesnt mean they are NOT a threat. I have seen plenty of individuals handcuffed STILL continue to fight and resist. And as a cop (im not a cop, but i know some) I can tell you that the worst part of any situation is the cop has no IDEA what the offender is doing or what he has. If I were the family of this kid I would be wondering what in the hell my CHILD was thinking. He obviously wasnt detained for NO reason.

If the cops shoot first can we shoot back?

Sure you can shoot back but why others said, why the hell would you??? If a cop shot at me for any reason, thats enough for me to change my mind and get the fuck on the ground. Most likely if you were carrying a gun in a situation where a cop shot at you, you did something to cause it.

wow that video is crazy makes the PD department look really bad. It's scary to see stuff like this, makes you wonder what kind of offices we have out there patroling the streets. "TO PROTECT AND SERVE"....... I dont know bout that

This video makes no PD department look bad, all it shows you is how humans act (not always rationally). I still have total confidence in the police. To Protect and Serve is something I whole heartedly believe in. Sounds to me like you just have a problem with authority... It wouldn't matter if this guy did something to deserve getting shot you would still be the negative saying that the cop is abusing his power etc.

shmiddy

01-07-2009, 08:15 AM

Ever notice on cops that everyone of them always say "whatchu 'restin me fo, I ain't done nuthing!"

They're all innocent. It's all a set up.

whats you fuckin point?!?!?!

the tread is about some kid who was shot by a police officer, point blank, while hand cuffed.........

YOU ACUALLY SEE HIM PULL THE GUN OUT AND SHOOT HIM!!!

please keep you retarded comments to your self

and obama won so deal with it

shmiddy

01-07-2009, 08:19 AM

Wow, this is probably the single worst statement I have ever heard... Just because somebody is handcuffed doesnt mean they are NOT a threat. I have seen plenty of individuals handcuffed STILL continue to fight and resist. And as a cop (im not a cop, but i know some) I can tell you that the worst part of any situation is the cop has no IDEA what the offender is doing or what he has. If I were the family of this kid I would be wondering what in the hell my CHILD was thinking. He obviously wasnt detained for NO reason.

BUT HES HANDCUFFED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! i dont see how someone can be a threat to someone else while hand cuffed?? how? please give me an exaple? what can i posibly do to you while hand cuffed?? and even if i resist alittle, is that good enough to pull your gun out? or even shoot me??

imotion s14

01-07-2009, 08:50 AM

whats you fuckin point?!?!?!

the tread is about some kid who was shot by a police officer, point blank, while hand cuffed.........

YOU ACUALLY SEE HIM PULL THE GUN OUT AND SHOOT HIM!!!

please keep you retarded comments to your self

and obama won so deal with it

Idiot shouldn't have been actin' a fool and then wonder why cops are cuffing him.

That's the problem with you people.

And I can't wait until the massive inflation hits and see people like you get wiped out and on the streets.

Now that's change I can believe in. :trogdor:

Brian

01-07-2009, 08:58 AM

I will enjoy less criminals and less people in general.

:)

smellslikecurry

01-07-2009, 09:02 AM

from what i can see

there were two or three cops pinning this dude down

AND hes cuffed laying on his chest

bullshit he posed a threat

what the fuck is he going to do...bite the officers leg? hit him with a billy club...tase him

shooting him was totally uncalled for

do i respect the police..yes

just not this one

rb26dude

01-07-2009, 09:30 AM

i say cop need to go to jail for life period

shmiddy

01-07-2009, 11:55 AM

Idiot shouldn't have been actin' a fool and then wonder why cops are cuffing him.

That's the problem with you people.

And I can't wait until the massive inflation hits and see people like you get wiped out and on the streets.

Now that's change I can believe in. :trogdor:

EITHER YOUR BLIND, OR YOUR JUST STUPID

AS THE TAPE SHOWS, HES ALREADY CUFFED, FACE DOWN

wish all your childish hexes on me, the fact stands, they were wrong and you are a moron PIRIOD

i kinda expect this kind of behavior from a red neck. :keke:

HyperTek

01-07-2009, 12:25 PM

theres alot of ignorance in this thread.. "oh he was acting a fool he probably deserved it".. Come on look at it from an unbiased side.

the video is enough evidence that it was a controlled environment before the incident.... Besides, lets say 2 cops are already pinning you down, handcuffed, and one of them puts his knee on the back of your head, probably with hard pressure /discomfort that it probably hurt, and you feel they have no right to be so harsh, you would probably be wrestling yourself so they would stop being so harsh or shaking to get them off you. And one of the cops decides that your worth ending.... And in the video you can clearly see the cops that where pinning him, suddenly get off as soon as the 1 cop shoots him.. Im sure the other cops where not expecting that.

jskateborders

01-07-2009, 12:44 PM

Why would you ever be in a situation where cops would be shooting at you? Obviously you are not an outstanding citizen if you have to imagine scenarios of gunfights with the police and what you would do.

Try being a decent fucking citizen. Don't even bother with a retort that you are. Obviously you're lacking something because you have to role play what if scenarios.
You dont fucking know me, so dont fucking tell me what I am, am not. Bet my record is just as clean/cleaner than yours. That whole thing was a response to the question if a cop shoots at me can I shoot back. And seeing in that video, thats not all that uncommon. Who knows what the initial fight was about, maybe dude was defending his wife, tell me you wouldnt hit a guy if the guy was harrasing your wife. Then he gets pulled of the train, and hes up against a wall sitting down, and a cop comes and grabs him, slams him face first into the ground. Tell me you wouldnt say something if a cop just did that to you. Maybe like "wtf" or "I didnt do shit" and next thing he knows, a round is going through his back. So no, its not taht far fetched that a cop would shoot at me without me shooting at him, or threatining his life. We just saw a fucking video, so dont come at me all self righteous and tell me who the fuck I am. I am a fucking upstanding citizen, Im a college student, I work full time, and Im struggling to get by, and, I have never assulted anyone, stolen anything, ect ect, and I dont plan on it. In fact, anyone knows me knows that I am more willing to help someone out than most if I have the ability. But I also do not live in a bubble. Alot of people are scum, and dont give a fuck about anyone around them. Those people are in all proffesions, and some of them cops. I have had my car stolen, I have had my bike stolen, people have fucked me, I have been treated shittily by cops, I have been assulted. But I dont retaliate. Yes I may come off as angry, but thats because I choose to use Zilvia as my outlet. Things can be replaced, bruises heal, ect ect, however, you only get one life, and I beleive in protecting that no matter what.

shmiddy

01-07-2009, 01:30 PM

klutchkhemist

01-07-2009, 03:27 PM

His funeral was today right down the street from where I stay..

ESmorz

01-07-2009, 04:02 PM

origin_s135

01-07-2009, 06:02 PM

i'm watching the news right now and there's a BIG protest @ the fruitvale bart station.

Om1kron

01-07-2009, 06:05 PM

good question, i'm wondering that too.

It worked out pretty well for those bank robbers back in like 1996 was it with the ak's that went on a killing spree.

oh wait they're all dead. even the one that didn't pop back at cops got fucked up for just cause.

imotion s14

01-07-2009, 06:46 PM

EITHER YOUR BLIND, OR YOUR JUST STUPID

AS THE TAPE SHOWS, HES ALREADY CUFFED, FACE DOWN

wish all your childish hexes on me, the fact stands, they were wrong and you are a moron PIRIOD

i kinda expect this kind of behavior from a red neck. :keke:

what's a piriod?

Here's a question.. when has the black community ever felt a cop was justified when it comes to shooting black youths?

Never.

Even the ones who stabs his girl friend, runs from cops and takes swings at them with pipes.

I'm asian btw. :bow:

!Zar!

01-07-2009, 06:53 PM

Not to mention it's spelled, "You're"...

One could nit pick and comment on all the useless commas that were used in that statement...

In other news... I'm proud of you guys from not acting like babies and getting this thread locked.

2009 is holding up well so far in the ways of change.

HyperTek

01-07-2009, 08:47 PM

Even if the dude was acting a fool and doin stupid shit, the small petty crime he probably commited wasnt worth taking his life away on the spot with no trial..

Sucks both ways, im sure some of those cops are upset about what happened, giving them all a bad rep for this 1 cops decision.

Tearlessj

01-07-2009, 08:49 PM

I hope this incident doesnt make everyone judge cops or police as whole. It did look like an accident to me though. Its hard to misjudge a tazer for a gun, but I can see it slipping by in the moment.

ESmorz

01-07-2009, 09:00 PM

I hope this incident doesnt make everyone judge cops or police as whole. It did look like an accident to me though. Its hard to misjudge a tazer for a gun, but I can see it slipping by in the moment.

That's no excuse.

If you can mistake your gun for a taser you shouldn't be a cop.

Off with his fucking head.

Eye for an eye.

Om1kron

01-07-2009, 09:31 PM

That's no excuse.

If you can mistake your gun for a taser you shouldn't be a cop.

Off with his fucking head.

Eye for an eye.

he obviously missed the part where I said officer side arms are modified to have 8lb triggers rather than standard 4lb triggers. i don't know how many of you guys have fired a glock personally.

I have

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/23/l_4417e84d181746b4b25e38944d8c0f8d.gif
(just in case you're wondering, the thing I press on with my thumb is called a "slide lock" when you add the magazine to the pistol you have to press down on the slide lock to chamber the first round.)

I would also like to add... glocks do not have safety's on them... they're "ready to go" guns.

so not only did the cop pull a gun that does not have a safety he had to disengage, he had to pull 8lbs worth of weight to pop off that round.

go pick up ten pounds with one of your fingers guys and let me know if you think it's still an accident.

As far as my cousin goes.. he got what he deserved, karma's a bitch. I just personally feel that situation could've been approached differently, I would be very cautious about my life if I were a police officer.

So I cannot blame the officer, as far as debating weather the shooting was justified or not. it's a life or death situation, kind of hard to explain that justification to the victims family rather than your own.

Those are the mental challenges a police officer has to deal with.

I appreciate the police, they do protect and serve, but I think a lot of them like john wayne in this thread maybe need to go through some more thorough psych evaluations.

Tearlessj

01-07-2009, 09:32 PM

I didn't say it was an excuse. I still think he deserves what he did to the guy, just an extra thought though.

AFSil80

01-07-2009, 11:33 PM

So....nevermind shooting the guy, but why was he even going to TASER the guy since he was already face-down and handcuffed...

Such a pity, since police officers are often under the scrutiny of the public eye, then some knucklehead fucks it up for the rest of them and makes everyone's lives worse. Just goes to show that idiots infiltrate every level of employment.

klutchkhemist

01-07-2009, 11:35 PM

Shits Crazy... They rioting in Downtown Oakland right now!!!

ESmorz

01-07-2009, 11:44 PM

shits crazy... They rioting in downtown oakland right now!!!

yes!!!!

Burn your own homes and businesses!!!

Burn!!!!

jskateborders

01-08-2009, 12:01 AM

by the way, shooting and tasering are two totally different actions, you have to touch a taser (unless they are different) to the targets body. He very distinctly put shooting distance between himself and the victim.

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 01:56 AM

I would also like to add... glocks do not have safety's on them... they're "ready to go" guns.

so not only did the cop pull a gun that does not have a safety he had to disengage, he had to pull 8lbs worth of weight to pop off that round.

Last police issued Glock I looked at had a safety. It is built into the trigger.

You dont fucking know me, so dont fucking tell me what I am, am not. Bet my record is just as clean/cleaner than yours. That whole thing was a response to the question if a cop shoots at me can I shoot back. And seeing in that video, thats not all that uncommon. Who knows what the initial fight was about, maybe dude was defending his wife, tell me you wouldnt hit a guy if the guy was harrasing your wife. Then he gets pulled of the train, and hes up against a wall sitting down, and a cop comes and grabs him, slams him face first into the ground. Tell me you wouldnt say something if a cop just did that to you. Maybe like "wtf" or "I didnt do shit" and next thing he knows, a round is going through his back. So no, its not taht far fetched that a cop would shoot at me without me shooting at him, or threatining his life. We just saw a fucking video, so dont come at me all self righteous and tell me who the fuck I am. I am a fucking upstanding citizen, Im a college student, I work full time, and Im struggling to get by, and, I have never assulted anyone, stolen anything, ect ect, and I dont plan on it. In fact, anyone knows me knows that I am more willing to help someone out than most if I have the ability. But I also do not live in a bubble. Alot of people are scum, and dont give a fuck about anyone around them. Those people are in all proffesions, and some of them cops. I have had my car stolen, I have had my bike stolen, people have fucked me, I have been treated shittily by cops, I have been assulted. But I dont retaliate. Yes I may come off as angry, but thats because I choose to use Zilvia as my outlet. Things can be replaced, bruises heal, ect ect, however, you only get one life, and I beleive in protecting that no matter what.
You need to college student your ass to a fucking grammar lecture and learn what a paragraph is. You also need to get a hobby and some friends if you're only way of "venting life's frustrations" is through an internet forum. Maybe join a Dungeon's and Dragon's guild or start playing War Hammer as the people who engage in those activities are prolly your caliber.

You don't ever run "what if" scenarios in your head?

No, I choose not to put myself into a situation where I would have to "what if" life changing scenarios. It's pretty easy actually. This place is known for fights breaking out. Why go there to drink where I can easily go to a quieter place and not have to defend myself from some drunk trying to prove something to himself? Et cetera, et cetera.

However when it comes to cars and stuff, I have a 5,000lbs ratchet strap, tow strap and enough tools to do everything minus swap an engine in the back of my car. You never know when the piece of shit is going to break or something.

By the way, jskateborders has clearly never seen an air taser. You don't have to touch something with a taser anymore, you can easily shoot them with a tasering probe too.

WildAsDaTaliban

01-08-2009, 02:00 AM

It worked out pretty well for those bank robbers back in like 1996 was it with the ak's that went on a killing spree.

oh wait they're all dead. even the one that didn't pop back at cops got fucked up for just cause.

can't believe they didn't kill any dumb ass cops. but that's how you gotta do it. bulletproof vest and ak's.

ESmorz

01-08-2009, 02:01 AM

No, I choose not to put myself into a situation where I would have to "what if" life changing scenarios. It's pretty easy actually. This place is known for fights breaking out. Why go there to drink where I can easily go to a quieter place and not have to defend myself from some drunk trying to prove something to himself? Et cetera, et cetera.

However when it comes to cars and stuff, I have a 5,000lbs ratchet strap, tow strap and enough tools to do everything minus swap an engine in the back of my car. You never know when the piece of shit is going to break or something.

I don't put myself in dangerous situations either. Some people do though and it might be something very minor but that does nto mean they should have to risk dying for it. Just because you don't intentionally do something doesn't mean it won't happen to you. There are far too many variables in life.

The variable at hand could be you are wrongfully detained, cop has a shitty day, because of shitty day you are roughed up and the cop decides to go cowboy. The sad fact is it could happen to any of us. No matter how much of a model citizen we are or how careful we are.

My response was a little brash, but the dude was just replying to a question while adding on to it.

:faint:

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 02:02 AM

It worked out pretty well for those bank robbers back in like 1996 was it with the ak's that went on a killing spree.

oh wait they're all dead. even the one that didn't pop back at cops got fucked up for just cause.

You're clearly not familiar with the Hollywood Heist as the suspects killed themselves to avoid capture.

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 02:08 AM

can't believe they didn't kill any dumb ass cops. but that's how you gotta do it. bulletproof vest and ak's.
You're an idiot.

I don't put myself in dangerous situations either. Some people do though and it might be something very minor but that does nto mean they should have to risk dying for it. Just because you don't intentionally do something doesn't mean it won't happen to you. There are far too many variables in life.

The variable at hand could be you are wrongfully detained, cop has a shitty day, because of shitty day you are roughed up and the cop decides to go cowboy. The sad fact is it could happen to any of us. No matter how much of a model citizen we are or how careful we are.

The key ingredient in these situations is that the dumbass won't cooperate, is being hostile or didn't do wtf he was told. It's not hard, if Iraq's can do it why the fuck can't Americans? Every Iraqi I arrested was extremely cooperative as he knew if he so much as squeaked louder than a mouse fart he'd get fucked up.

ESmorz

01-08-2009, 02:16 AM

The key ingredient in these situations is that the dumbass won't cooperate, is being hostile or didn't do wtf he was told. It's not hard, if Iraq's can do it why the fuck can't Americans? Every Iraqi I arrested was extremely cooperative as he knew if he so much as squeaked louder than a mouse fart he'd get fucked up.

Well for one in Iraq the previous "peace keepers" could blow your head off, rape your wife, and take your possesions if they saw fit. We Americans I guess feel entitled and have a serious problem with authority.

It's not hard to see why you would be at least a little uncooperative if you are innocent, minding your business, and have no idea what you are being accused of. If you know you just broke the law and such it's also easier to see why you would be highly uncooperative but it is very much in your best interest not to.

All of that said, that cop unjustifiably took a mans life. I still stand by the fact he should have his taken away.

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 02:41 AM

I agree the cop was in the wrong however no matter how innocent you are, being angry and uncooperative is never the right answer. I went through airport security in Ohare International Airport and they asked me if they could search my camera bag that had about 3K worth of crap in it because it had tested positive for explosives in one of their machines.

He wiped the body and it reacted on the paper as an explosive material. Was I angry that they asked to delay me and search me and the rest of my possessions even after I explained the camera had been to Iraq and I handled explosives and fired weapons and then touched my camera and identified myself as a Sergeant in the Marine Corps? No I wasn't fucking angry because I understand that he's doing his job so I let him and tried to make his life easier because he probably had to deal with 45 other non cooperative jackasses right after me.

Americans are fucking spoiled, plain and simple. OMG the officer was rough with me and made me feel violated when he searched me. Good, it means he knows how to do a proper pat down.

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 02:52 AM

I had a lady lift my balls during a search.

I told her to double check.

ESmorz

01-08-2009, 02:57 AM

I had an officer crack my back. I laughed, he laughed... then he pinched my friends nipple.

That was awkward.

downshift_sideways

01-08-2009, 03:04 AM

I didn't even notice this thread.

My friend was being detained by police in the video. He was right there in front of the shooting and saw everything.

This is straight up bullshit. That cop has still not given an apology to the family, but he has been laid off from the force. His name was finally given not that long ago, and you better believe he has over a hundred death threats on him.

The sad part is that the cops did not interview any key witness's after the shooting had occured. However, If a cop was fucking shot there would be over 100 witness's.

I'm enraged about this, just as much as his family is.

25million lawsuit against bart, still will not pay for the murder of oscar. He lost his life.

I went to a rally yesterday at the fruitvale bart station...a diverse crowd of over 1,000 people protested..

here are some pics I snapped..sorry for the shitty camera pics..

Oh yea mista fab where there too to show support...

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/20/l_33c6e4f3f73c4fef989364c0fa28c0d8.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/39/l_482fd5d18440480bb7879f079d821251.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/54/l_78fa1b5e61c64902aa0e6a174d0a0e19.jpg
shitty pic of FAB
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/30/l_3e5f850d7aa44d29a381920805be0f9d.jpg
This guy's backsign says "Don't Shoot!"
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/32/l_f1bab4cd48114793bf18295a8fd83622.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/34/l_e36e869169a442cabe40bf9ff46b196d.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/18/l_522821ec8d524ed5bb1f9638a31a0b9d.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/60/l_ddcf8f5bab8843028b02ac2191da01d5.jpg

Now...I have had my run-in's with the law...

but this sort of shit makes me say

FUCK THE POLICE.!!!

R.I.P.

Oscar Grant.

There are a lot of bullshit ass cops out there in the bay area.
If you ever get stopped by 2 white officers.

D.Johnson and M. hertz around millbrae/san mateo/redwood city..be ready to be fucking harrased.
They are young ass cops, both white....they'll harass the fucking shit out of you, and give you nothing but shit.

watch out for them faggots.

HyperTek

01-08-2009, 03:07 AM

thanks for the pics and updating us..

I have a feeling that some of those people are there just because they just hate the police... =\

downshift_sideways

01-08-2009, 03:10 AM

Not a problem.

Bart is trying to say that the cop was apparently trying to shoot him with his tazer gun...when in reality the weight of both guns are very different. He was intentionally shot...while handcuffed in the back...It's very sad.

there's a few other video's out right now, that shows the cop put his hands to his face after he shot oscar...and you could see the group of cops back away for a second and look at him in utter mistake.

ESmorz

01-08-2009, 03:11 AM

They are young ass cops, both white...

http://www.angelfire.com/oh5/chrisfarley/Chris%20Farley%20Sounds/Kll%20Whitey.mp3

?

downshift_sideways

01-08-2009, 03:18 AM

^I'm doing my own small investigation on these (sexual slur deleted)
A few of my other buddies and guy's on this forum know these queer ass cops.

reporting a cop doesn't do shit now a days.

User banned six months for repeated failure to obey rules. Enjoy the time off, Anthony. :-/

HyperTek

01-08-2009, 03:21 AM

YouTube - Oakland, Ca Fruitvale Bart Station Shooting. Full Video and interview with Karina Vargas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_K0PISpxx4&feature=related)

interview with that girl, and you see more of her vid.. guess there was alot of yelling in the environment, .. and one of the female officers tried to demand for the girls camera but she jumped on the train in time. dam thats crazy

downshift_sideways

01-08-2009, 03:22 AM

His girlfriend Sophina Mesa grew up right next to me. I've known her for over 10 years.

this is soo much bullshit.

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 03:26 AM

There are a lot of bullshit ass cops out there in the bay area.
If you ever get stopped by 2 white officers.

D.Johnson and M. hertz around millbrae/san mateo/redwood city..be ready to be fucking harrased.
They are young ass cops, both white....they'll harass the fucking shit out of you, and give you nothing but shit.

watch out for them faggots.

Considering this is the shit the bay area is known for I'd prolly be a pretty disgruntled cop too.

YouTube - Mr. Fab Ghost Ride It (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=m9nPhHxkLxw)

If that's really how people from your area conduct themselves then you have nobody to blame but yourselves for police harassment and profiling

HyperTek

01-08-2009, 03:30 AM

i cant wait til people start ghost ridin on the freeway lol

TravisSW

01-08-2009, 03:33 AM

I can't wait til I'm CHP and see that Ghost Ridin' shit on the freeway.

Haha.

downshift_sideways

01-08-2009, 03:35 AM

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 03:43 AM

Thanks for your opinion kid.

Try living out here in Oakland some time.

I'm sure you'll fit in just fine...behind a dumpster.

Kid?!

Bitch, grow the fuck up. I grew up in a shitty fucking place too. I've been all over the world and have been on both sides of the law.

Watching that video.. Blame your fucking selves. The cops were trying to make an arrest and 40 people dressed like hooligans are surrounding them and shouting, "fuck the police". What do you think that's going to do? Make the police go away?

No, all it's going to do is enrage some cop who had to deal with 6 dumb fucks hanging out of a short bus on spinners and now he's surrounded by 40 dumb fucks showing hostile acts towards him. The cop fucked up to the fullest extent and should have never been a cop in the first place but I guarantee you shit would have happened differently if the situation was different.

You bring the shit upon yourself.

GSXRJJordan

01-08-2009, 03:43 AM

If that's really how people from your area conduct themselves then you have nobody to blame but yourselves for police harassment and profiling

Wow, you really are trying to win friends around here now-days, aren't you.

You don't even have an S-chassis anymore, fuck man. Go spread your shit somewhere else.

HyperTek

01-08-2009, 03:45 AM

hey guys chill... no need to be attackin each other here.. stay on topic.

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 03:48 AM

Wow, you really are trying to win friends around here now-days, aren't you.

You don't even have an S-chassis anymore, fuck man. Go spread your shit somewhere else.

I'll join jskateborders at a War Hammer table before I need to make friends on the internet.

ESmorz

01-08-2009, 03:50 AM

I'll join jskateborders at a War Hammer table before I need to make friends on the internet.

:bowrofl:

You guys need to crack a beer and chill the fuck out.

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 03:57 AM

Considering this is the shit the bay area is known for I'd prolly be a pretty disgruntled cop too.

YouTube - Mr. Fab Ghost Ride It (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=m9nPhHxkLxw)

If that's really how people from your area conduct themselves then you have nobody to blame but yourselves for police harassment and profiling

Seriously koopa, what the fuck is wrong with you.

That has NOTHING to do with the death of the young man.

That is all for entertainment in that video.

Shit doesn't go around happening in these parts like most think.

As for someone who lives in the San Francisco bay area, I take offense to assuming such.

downshift_sideways

01-08-2009, 03:58 AM

Kid?!

Bitch, grow the fuck up. I grew up in a shitty fucking place too. I've been all over the world and have been on both sides of the law.

Watching that video.. Blame your fucking selves. The cops were trying to make an arrest and 40 people dressed like hooligans are surrounding them and shouting, "fuck the police". What do you think that's going to do? Make the police go away?

No, all it's going to do is enrage some cop who had to deal with 6 dumb fucks hanging out of a short bus on spinners and now he's surrounded by 40 dumb fucks showing hostile acts towards him. The cop fucked up to the fullest extent and should have never been a cop in the first place but I guarantee you shit would have happened differently if the situation was different.

You bring the shit upon yourself.

Like I said kid...

Live up here sometime....maybe a couple years in the town...then see why people say shit like that. You think you know but you have no fucking idea how much police brutality/harassment/prejudice/racism goes on in Oakland/SF/ and the rest of the bay area/ peninsula.

With every action there is an equal or opposite re-action...remember that kid.

This cop had no right to use deadly force...

This killing has only enraged thousands of people in the area including myself. Will there be more violence? Yes...will there be more crimes? Yes...
Will Oakland ever settle down? Never...

Some people are unfortunate to live in this area...and have to deal with the bullshit that goes on. Some people resort to selling drugs just to get by...It's reality kid...Open your eyes...It's a movement that is known especially by rappers that put it in their music.

have you been down that fucking road???

No?

THEN SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH.

Think it's easy for a black man to get a job around the area?
Especially now that the economy is in such a pithole...

It's damn near impossible...

So think for yourself when you say "WE" deserve this shit.

Because You deserve to be swallowing your fucking teeth right now.

luftrofl

01-08-2009, 04:08 AM

Considering this is the shit the bay area is known for I'd prolly be a pretty disgruntled cop too.

YouTube - Mr. Fab Ghost Ride It (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=m9nPhHxkLxw)

If that's really how people from your area conduct themselves then you have nobody to blame but yourselves for police harassment and profiling

While that's an easy conclusion to reach watching the bay area through the media, it's quite a leap to generalize like that.

That said, I'm tired of the bay area's stupid ways of reacting to shitty situations like this- people start out with a good cause then use that cause as an excuse to vent anger with violent action. Protesting violence? Let's make more violence! Raiders lose? Riot! :duh:

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 04:12 AM

While that's an easy conclusion to reach watching the bay area through the media, it's quite a leap to generalize like that.

That said, I'm tired of the bay area's stupid ways of reacting to shitty situations like this- people start out with a good cause then use that cause as an excuse to vent anger with violent action. Protesting violence? Let's make more violence! Raiders lose? Riot! :duh:

Er, people everywhere protest when they think there is injustice.

Remember how many months that tree shit went on for in Berkley?

downshift_sideways

01-08-2009, 04:18 AM

It's injustice that the cop has not taken an approach to the media or to the family and apologized or stated why he used deadly force...their has been many simulations on how a cop can definitely know a tazer from a handgun...I've been watching this shit for days....It's all we hear about when we turn on the T.V. up north.

That tree shit was pretty funny mel lmao.

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 04:23 AM

Like I said kid...

Live up here sometime....maybe a couple years in the town...then see why people say shit like that. You think you know but you have no fucking idea how much police brutality/harassment/prejudice/racism goes on in Oakland/SF/ and the rest of the bay area/ peninsula.

With every action there is an equal or opposite re-action...remember that kid.

This cop had no right to use deadly force...

This killing has only enraged thousands of people in the area including myself. Will there be more violence? Yes...will there be more crimes? Yes...
Will Oakland ever settle down? Never...

Some people are unfortunate to live in this area...and have to deal with the bullshit that goes on. Some people resort to selling drugs just to get by...It's reality kid...Open your eyes...It's a movement that is known especially by rappers that put it in their music.

have you been down that fucking road???

No?

THEN SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH.

Think it's easy for a black man to get a job around the area?
Especially now that the economy is in such a pithole...

It's damn near impossible...

So think for yourself when you say "WE" deserve this shit.

Because You deserve to be swallowing your fucking teeth right now.

I never said the cop's actions were justified. I clearly said I did not agree with what the officer did and I even said he should never have been a cop.

I'm sure you're a badass. Go back to thinking you're cool and hardcore for drifting and listing to rap music.

I've never been denied a job because of my race, never. My family has never been denied jobs or entrance to public establishments because of their race, my counsins house never got burned down because of her race, my aunt and my uncle can freely walk down the streets of Georgia and display their interracial marriage in public without fear. :cj:

Grow the fuck up. You're not the only people in the world to live in poverty bigotry and hardship. Will there be more crimes? Yes because dumbasses like you can't get it into your fucking heads that it's the wrong path.

Will there be more violence? Yes because ignorant fucktards such as yourself can't live with differences.

Will Oakland ever settle down? No because of the above statements.

OMG black people in your community can't get a job. Is it because they're black or because they're unqualified because they have no education and have criminal records?

luftrofl

01-08-2009, 04:25 AM

Er, people everywhere protest when they think there is injustice.

Remember how many months that tree shit went on for in Berkley?

Ugh, I don't even want to get started with Berkeley. The only thing I like about that city is UCB.

Protesting is one thing but the stupid shit that people do here is inexcusable and kills our credibility.

When this sort of thing happens, suddenly the story "Group Rallies at BART Station, Protests Fatal Shooting" is buried under stories like "Oakland Mayor Calls for Peace as Angry Crowds Swarm City Streets." The cause for protest falls out of the spotlight and images of violence takes its place.

downshift_sideways

01-08-2009, 04:36 AM

^It was actually a non-violence protest.

Nothing went out of hand at all.

Task force was there in case, and If I stand correct not 1 arrest was made.

KOOPA check your PM.
I decided to talk to you through PM's instead of flooding this thread.

urmyhero4now

01-08-2009, 04:41 AM

i dont know if it was pointed out but these guys are not oakland police. They are Bart Station Security(i guess like Bart Police)

kingkilburn

01-08-2009, 04:48 AM

Koopa you need to remove your fucking semper fi from the reality of the civilian world. When your are in a combat situation your have all right to deadly force. When you are a cop you treat a citizen like they have rights. Treat a man like you would with out your badge\rank. Would I let some honky as white guy jump on me for any reason? You better believe I would not.

Americans are not spoiled by our rights. We know what injustice is and we know how to handle it. You want to see revolution? Let the greedy upper class keep fucking the economy, and the cops fucking with the middle and lower classes. People are tired of being policed with military tactics. Leave that shit to the swat team.

I'm so fucking pissed of I can't even think straight. Think of all the people who are very wrongly treated that don't happen to have a bunch of tech savvy camera men around.

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 04:53 AM

i dont know if it was pointed out but these guys are not oakland police. They are Bart Station Security(i guess like Bart Police)

Bart Police.

Same jurisdiction as a cop, but main purpose is to patrol the area surrounding bart stations.

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 04:54 AM

Think I never had to treat Iraqi's like they had rights?

The fucking insurgents we arrested had more rights than I do.

I'm reading your post and all I see is, "blah blah ignorance blah blah"

Like I told that other person. Next time try thanking the police for putting their lives on the line every fucking day to protect the citizens of the city, county and state.

Make a fucking positive change for your community instead of being another fucking follower.

TravisSW

01-08-2009, 05:02 AM

Oh FFS, mods just :lockd: this down.

/rant...ish?
It is a great shame that Oscar Grant (OG lol) had to die in the way he did. But by looking at the video, it does seem like he did reach for the officers gun.

BUT THEN YET, at the same time, he could of twitched his arm or was told to move it by an officer and it accidentally touch the gun which freaked out the shooting officer. Instinct or something probably took over if he felt a hand graze his gun.

Don't know what was said before he was shot, I need to look at some more video after the fact if I can find any.

If Oscar was shot just because, then it was just cold. Maybe the cop was scared, who knows. And bitching about an apology, maybe he'll write a letter, but saying sorry won't make things any better, what is it going to accomplish? Oscar was still shot, it wont bring him back and I know for me, it wont make me feel better, but that's just me.

And btw, WTF does him being BLACK have to do with god damn thing? What if it was black officer that shot him? Would you be a pissy or just laugh and call it a black on black crime? Fuck this race shit, is it out there, oh you bet your ass, just perservere over it and move on and not everything is racially motivated. "Hate Crime" laws are a joke. All crimes are commited because of some kind of hate in the first place anyways.

I'm sooo sick and tired of hearing people say FUCKING DA POLICE. It's a joke. Are there some asshole cops out there? You bet your ass there are. Are there nice ones? You're damn right. They may still write you up, give you a ticket, but it's one of their job duties. They risk their fucking ass for yours to keep our streets as safe as possible. And remember, there aren't only asshole cops, there are assholes everywhere on the streets and at the work place. Get over it.

Also, I don't know about you guys, but I've been pulled over shit loads and have had a wide variety of police interaction. Some are a bit dicky, but I've had more nice'ish/nicer ones. Cops are trained to be very straight to the point. After doing a ride along (which I'll be doing some more), I see how they act the way they do. To make it as safe for them, surrounding people and to get the job done prompt and correct.

I myself am trying to get into law enforcement. My current goal is the California Highway Patrol or AAAA (Armed triple A lol). I'm generally a nice guy, but if anybody gives me lip or an attitude, expect some in return. Also, I'd never shoot a person in the back that is held down by my two fellow officers.

If I had you out and I had to check your car, deal with another person or feel insecure. Yes i'm going to cuff you and call for my fellow beat partner, not for my safety, but yes yours as well. Want to get shot, tazed or beat because maybe your friend has a warrant and doesn't want to get in trouble again? I don't want to get shot, stabbed or beat either.

You don't know what went through the shooting officer's mind. Adrenaline rush, scared, mind went blank or maybe he just wanted to KILL A BLACK MAN, BEOTCH?! /sarcasism/

You don't know.

May Oscar Grant RIP and condolenses to his family.

kingkilburn

01-08-2009, 05:12 AM

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 05:20 AM

In my experience a humble cop is a near oxymoron. When I get pulled over for a light being out and the dick walks up with his gun drawn I tend to react negatively to it. It is assumed that I am a criminal, that I will pull something.

My mom's car broke down on me one the highway two years ago. A CHP rolls up and tells me that if it's not gone in fifteen minutes it will be towed. He was completely unwilling to help me (all I asked for was a ride about a mile up the road). I had to hitch a ride from some one willing to stop for me. Where is the protect and serve in that?

The reason those insurgents had more rights than you is because you signed them away on that dotted line. I would be willing to serve as a citizen with rights but I will not be a mindless automaton . I've spent most of my life over seas on military bases and while I have not seen combat I've seen enough to know that I don't want to go there.

If you don't want to comment or debate on the points brought up(or bring up your own) then don't say any thing. Calling me ignorant and a follower is not a rebuttal .

I already have. Who is trying to make a change? Nobody. Dressed like a bunch of gang bangers and even having a local rap artist show up to a police brutality demonstration does no good for your cause.

Fuck, I bet you could buy an ass ton of new books for a local library or schools with all the money Mr Fab has put into his wardrobe. Instead he makes money off promoting crime and ignorance. Make the fucking change.

If only the West Coast All Star's message had been heard.

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 05:24 AM

Nobody really said race was an issue.

As I said before, it's sad that people of an adult age can't talk to each other without biting each others heads off and talking to them like they are kids.

It's a known that cops can't be your, "friend" when they pull you over. If that were the case, people would try to run all over them.

It's another reason most wear glasses during patrol.

Need to have some sort of intimidation.

kingkilburn

01-08-2009, 05:41 AM

Dude I am not from the bay, have nothing to do with hip hop, and in no way dress like or act like a fucking gang banger. So take your assumption and hit the door.

I agree, who ever that rapper was could spend his money to help better the community he came from. It would go along way to stop the behavior that I have been stereotyped with. Since the fall of the black panthers and rise of crack it seems like most of those within the community in a position to help have an "I gets mine" mentality.

Zar I think it is a shame they can't assume a more natural position. I don't have a record, when the cop runs my plates he knows it as well. Maybe if I get a concealed carry permit. He'll know I'm packing and might be inclined to be more polite.

It reminds me of the old days when cops were respected by all. Their authority came from the badge and their service. Not the fear of having your head cracked and being locked up for eight hours with out being charged with anything. Like in the old west. Every one had a gun, the sheriff was respected out side of his ability to put you in jail or worse.

I don't know. I'm just very unhappy with the shortcomings of our current policing system. I know there are much worse but I feel like it could be better.

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 05:49 AM

Maybe if I get a concealed carry permit. He'll know I'm packing and might be inclined to be more polite.

Why would that make him be more polite? Instead he'll take extra precaution and take on a more aggressive posture. Use your head.

The current policing system is a fault caused by the gangster rap fad which promotes crime, hatred, ignorance and hostility towards police officers. Maybe cops wouldn't have to be a dick when pulling you over if people in the past haven't killed officers by shooting them as they approached the window of the car to avoid a speeding ticket. Thank your fellow American for that one.

murda-c

01-08-2009, 05:55 AM

I used to wanna be a cop but then my cousin said he'd have to shoot me.

i sorta believed him :-/

ESmorz

01-08-2009, 06:14 AM

Why don't you just shoot your cousin?

kingkilburn

01-08-2009, 06:15 AM

If you and I both have guns with equal ability to use them it changes the way we would talk to each other. Clearly neither of us wants to be shot. I would steer clear of any action that would prompt you to reach for your gun as well as any physical altercation that could lead to an accidental shooting. I would respect the badge on your chest and at the very least you can respect me for willfully paying taxes that pay your salary.

Shit doesn't have to be about a power trip.

Sleepy240

01-08-2009, 06:15 AM

Why would that make him be more polite? Instead he'll take extra precaution and take on a more aggressive posture. Use your head.

The current policing system is a fault caused by the gangster rap fad which promotes crime, hatred, ignorance and hostility towards police officers. Maybe cops wouldn't have to be a dick when pulling you over if people in the past haven't killed officers by shooting them as they approached the window of the car to avoid a speeding ticket. Thank your fellow American for that one.

Thank god somebody has a head on their shoulders... For one as Koopa said "packing heat" certainly isnt going to help your situation. Somebody said something about cops comming up to your windows with their guns drawn, frankly can you blame them? Seriously put yourself in their shoes. Your walking up to an UNKNOWN vehicle, with UNKNOWN suspects. Hell you dont even know how many people are in the car. Now I don't necessarly agree with the whole hip-hop gangster fad. I think alot of the problem is breed where people are raised. They live their lives around gangs and violence and get sucked into it (obviously not everyone). I'm not gonna sit here and say that the cop is justified in taking a life, but I CAN absolutely see how it happened and without hearing any of the conversations on the video its tough to prove the cop being right or wrong. As far as people saying hes needs to apologize, do you apologize for doing your job?

It reminds me of the old days when cops were respected by all. Their authority came from the badge and their service. Not the fear of having your head cracked and being locked up for eight hours with out being charged with anything. Like in the old west. Every one had a gun, the sheriff was respected out side of his ability to put you in jail or worse.

Cops should be respected by all, just like you don't want people to steriotype (sp probably) and generalize minorities for the actions of a few, you can't do the same for cops. It's funny how one bad thing hits the news and everybody is anti-police / anti-authority / they abuse their power / blah blah blah, yet you don't say anything about the guy who was beating his wife, or child down the street that they arrested. The hell if I'm scared of being "locked up or having my head cracked" especially without being charged. If you are then frankly I feel bad for you, because you have more problems then that. You can't take something like the "old west" and apply it to modern society, today is a TOTALLY different.

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 06:23 AM

kingkilburn

01-08-2009, 06:32 AM

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 06:40 AM

My point with the old west was that the fear of a shoot out was real. It wasn't a question of does he have a gun but one of which gun is it. It makes you engage the situation differently. You can't assume the out come will be in your favor if it comes to fighting so you are forced to use words rather than force. You couldn't go around clubbing people and then try an find out if there was any wrong doing.

There was a reason why the sheriff had a break action, double barrel 12 guage and a posse.

Look dude, since I've been in work similar to what a law enforcement officer would go through and have worked in conjunction with federal agents I'll let you know what I'd do to anyone I thought was unarmed. Approach you from an awkward angle, have someone with a firearm aimed on you at all times and treat you like someone who would want to kill me until it is 120% confirmed that you are not a threat.

If I knew you were armed you would be utterly helpless with a firearm or two trained on you until I had every weapon in your possession in my possession. Then after it was 120% confirmed that you were not a threat to my life you would be treated like a law abiding citizen.

BTW I was making a comment on your train of thought, not your marksmanship. It's extremely obvious you've never been in a situation where a decision you made could directly result in your death or the death of someone else. It's about the same as when virgins talk about how a relationship is about love and not sex.

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 06:41 AM

Koopa. Why are you taking about a song that was made a few YEARS ago by a particular individual?

Even more so, why are you assuming that everyone is all gangstafied out here?
You seem to be giving the impression that because a group of individuals gathered to mourn the death of someone that it is rap related? Wtf?

Even more so, you went on into a rant about how Mr F.A.B doesn't help his community with his money. How do you know WHAT he's doing with his money?

Honestly, why is it any of your business? What you do with your income is your own business.

Why does what he do with his income concern you so much?

All I see is someone who is concerned about the loss of a life.

YOU are turning this thread into a racial argument and cultural/racial/regional bashing thread.

Really, what the fuck?

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 06:46 AM

This thread never was about the loss of a life, it was about how police are abusive assholes and should all die.

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 06:53 AM

I'm sorry you perceived it that way.

This thread is about ONE officer who made an obvious mistake. Be it intentional or purposefully. As well as it's about the individual who lost their life as a result to this action.

I will say, the story the OP added with the link regarding his cousin wasn't worded the best, nor did it sound the best. So I can see where you got the idea that this thread was about how, "Every single cop should be shot and is bad" came to your mind.

That isn't the case.

I know I'm not the only one who saw the real intention of this thread.

Most EVERY post in this thread was going along that same path.

Of course you have the few idiots who fucked up and had no idea what the true meaning behind this thread was; as apparent as it may be.

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 06:59 AM

So to see this just makes you think if cops sometimes are full of shit with their misuse of lies and violations of our civil rights when they infact are guilty of manslaughter and negligent discharge scenario's like this

This is the real purpose of this thread. The individual who sadly lost his life is just to give the OP's opinion credibility.

kingkilburn

01-08-2009, 07:03 AM

Sleepy240

01-08-2009, 07:19 AM

Koopa all I can say is fuck that. That is bull shit. What the fuck were you fighting for? Seriously! It damn sure wasn't my rights and freedoms. If I ever meet you one the street I will let you know how I feel in a very real way and you can fucking believe it. It is one thing to be seeking out mass murderers of innocents. It is drastically different when breaking up a fight on a train. You can't and shouldn't compare military and police work. The goals of the two are at different ends of the spectrum.

If you any one, in any way, attempts to take my rights earned through the blood sweat and tears of those that came before me they will pay dearly. That is my duty as an American.

You have no idea what situations I have been in. I have saved lives at risk to my own.

How can you not compare the military and the police force? They both have VERY SIMILIAR objectives. To serve, protect, and ensure the continuation of your rights. If you don't care for it try living in a fasciast nation. America has one of the LEAST aggressive police forces in the WORLD. Our military as most of the same standards. They treat POW's and foreign civilians as a priority just like american citizens. Now you wanna get on your high horse and claim that nobody can take away your rights and freedoms, when you haven't done ANYTHING (atleast that I can gather from this thread) to earn them yourself other than live in this great country. Guess what those people who fought for your rights followed the SAME damn laws that you and I do now. Your duty as an American is to live by the laws and rules set forth by our government and strive to prosper. And by threating people online, your just proving how immature you and your comments are.

kingkilburn

01-08-2009, 07:44 AM

Koopa Troopa

01-08-2009, 07:54 AM

The goal of the military is to force the presidents will on other countries. Don't let any ideological goals cloud that.

The mission statement most law enforcement ware is "To protect and serve". While most hold themselves to that there are way to many that use their authority to bully law abiding citizens.

I have no problem following the laws. That is why I don't like having a gun pulled on me over a dead light or because I fit the vague description of a black male with long hair.

If you want to attack my character show me some proof, not your disapproval of my opinion but proof. I would be happy to admit that I am wrong if you can convince me why any individual has the right to take away the rights of others.

Like I previously said, "thank your fellow Americans." There is a reason why a cop has to have a gun drawn on you when pulling you over and it's not because he's on a power trip or trying to infringe upon your rights. Quit crying like a bitch about it and move on with your life. You don't like it? Tough. I'm sure the families of officers killed by some asshole who didn't want the cop to find out they had a warrant aren't happy either.

There is a huge difference between the conduct and mission of the military in war time and in occupation.

Your light was out, you are now subject to the law because you are in violation. Deal with it. How's that for an example? However the police have no right to violate your rights as an American. However it is also your right as an American to know your rights.

It seems the majority of young Americans these days have no fucking clue what their rights are and love to cry about how their rights were violated because they were talked to or handled roughly by the mean police man.

Sleepy240

01-08-2009, 07:56 AM

The goal of the military is to force the presidents will on other countries. Don't let any ideological goals cloud that.

The mission statement most law enforcement ware is "To protect and serve". While most hold themselves to that there are way to many that use their authority to bully law abiding citizens.

I have no problem following the laws. That is why I don't like having a gun pulled on me over a dead light or because I fit the vague description of a black male with long hair.

If you want to attack my character show me some proof, not your disapproval of my opinion but proof. I would be happy to admit that I am wrong if you can convince me why any individual has the right to take away the rights of others.

Are you kidding me? The militarys goal is to force the will of the president onto other countries? Total Bull on the fact of your generalizing police to the point where in your mind all they do is ostrisize law abiding citizens. Your are CLEARLY wrong, if that was the case there would be ALOT more dead people. While where at lets just generalize everything, since you feel the president is just impossing his will I suppose everything that people are fighting for is a total waste. All the people who lost their lives fighting for YOUR and MY freedoms/liberties was nothing but in vein? Obviously you DO have a problem following the law if you have a problem with being stopped. Theres no ticket, theres no nothing (unless you HAVE done something wrong), just a simply inconvience that you refuse to accept. I'm white, middle class, and I've had cops come to my windows with guns drawn, simply for their own protection, AND I don't have an eff the police attitude for it. If you fear for your life then there is probably some other issue rooted deep within.

Om1kron

01-08-2009, 08:12 AM

good idea zar, they're two of them bitch...

and no it's been quite a bit of years. so no not familiar with the hollywood heist, it was 11 years ago.

kingkilburn

01-08-2009, 08:24 AM

I didn't generalize anything. I made a statement.

The role of the military is to enforce the will of the president. I didn't say any thing about whether or not I agree with that will. I also didn't say fuck the police. I will say fuck those that abuse the power the badge gives them.

I have no problem being stopped, if he hadn't I wouldn't have know it was out. His gun did NOT need to be out to tell me and you will never convince me otherwise.

You are trying very hard to put words in my mouth the aren't going to fit.

Reach deep, you might find more than attacks on my character and mental state.

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 11:13 AM

I didn't generalize anything. I made a statement.

The role of the military is to enforce the will of the president. I didn't say any thing about whether or not I agree with that will. I also didn't say fuck the police. I will say fuck those that abuse the power the badge gives them.

The real reason military was invented was to protect the country.

Not until later did the whole invading other country stuff start happening.

You making it sound like we are the only country with armed forces.

azndoc

01-08-2009, 11:15 AM

Presidents don't start wars.

Presidents declare wars.

Congress approves.

Then the military is issued orders.

But in the case of this current President he pretty much just made shit up as he went.

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 11:34 AM

Fuck you jack.

You don't know SHIT about what happened.

War is a delicate process.

Have you ever seen how heated it gets in discussion during war plans?

Simulations and shit are run continueosly.

http://images1.comstock.com/Imagewarehouse/BS/SITECS/NLWMCompingVersions/bn082/kda130.jpg

Look at that that shit!

LOOK

Does that look easy to you?

FUCK YOU

VROOOM

01-08-2009, 11:41 AM

You sunk my Battleship!!!!!!!!!!

RaceBred 17

01-08-2009, 11:55 AM

Cop should not have pulled his gun when there were 10 other cops there with tazers in hand. Bottom line.COP FUCKED UP.

Agent_S13

01-08-2009, 12:42 PM

I'm surprised by the outbursts and derailment of this thread but I thought I'd point out a few things, especially from those in the Bay Area who have been subject to not only seeing this constant media blitz and the other resources available to us locally.

Like Kawakami of the SJ Mercury, I'm just going to throw out some random points (in no particular order)

Its a tragedy, the force was excessive and at the end of the day a man lost his life.

The man was NOT handcuffed, people have mentioned he was in the video --- he wasn't. He was only handcuffed AFTER he was shot.
(I don't know how much of a threat he was AFTER being shot, but whatever.)

He didn't die immediately -- he was taken to a hospital where he eventually expired. They did "attempt" to try to save him.

Based on the multiple -- there are at least 3 official videos out there
1) Camera Phone exclusive from KTVU-2
2) Another angle from the opposite site that shows a better angle
3) The popular view that shows the actual firearm discharge

Take a look at all 3 and then comment -- easy for you to find on the respective websites (ABC-7 or CBS-5, etc)

Even earlier in the video, the suspect did get up (while on the wall) which prompted him to be taken to the ground. It didn't help when I think he did was try to get up (again) while on the ground. which prompted the cop to react. Probably the cop's worst reaction to something like this but if he felt threatened... (The bald headed officer was surprised by the discharge of the gun)

A local station showed a taser handle and the 9 mm (not sure if they are both BART issued versions), they both look similar in shape so "maybe" he thought he had his taser? Even referenced a similar situation in Madera where a cop did the same thing, attempted to pull out/fire her taser to subdue a man and instead pulled out her firearm.
Result - Investigation deemed an accident, cop still working on duty, family wins lawsuit.

I guess someone can inform me of this - If someone else was holding him down and the other officer pulled out a taser instead and fired, would the first cop have to let him go or also be vulnerable to the taser too?

The BART cop resigned (per a latest report I saw somewhere else), supposedly do to this action "no investigation is needed". Its a cop out (sorry for the pun), I have no idea what he's going to do now, but he just turned 27 and his wife just gave birth.

Now with those random points aside, here's what I think will happen:

1) Action will be taken against the cop -- justice should be served, how and when? No idea.

2) Cop will move out of area, find a job somewhere else -- probably not in law enforcement. He definitely can't stay here -- in any way,shape, form.

3) Family (of the victim) will win massive lawsuit against BART ($25 million according to reports). No doubt about it, we're too liberal in the area not to give out money

4) BART, already in financial trouble, will pay out and shut down.
That sucks for me and most people who don't want to pay the high gas prices or pay for parking but in the end EVERYONE IN THE BAY AREA LOSES.

Sure #4 probably won't happen but yes, this is definitely not over.

There are so many arguments for and against authority here but we should get back on point.

Honestly, New Year's was supposed to be safe event. The guys were smart to take public transportation after a hard night of partying -- better than driving. Words (due to alcohol) were said between groups and things got out of hand. Alcohol was a factor, as much as others won't admit it -- it probably was last X-mas at the SF Zoo.

People are always going to lay blame somewhere else and it led to an unfortunate tragedy.

I think it was accidental, but a response really is needed --- and not from Linton Johnson.

-Aaron
'91 240sx coupe

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 01:38 PM

The officer in question resigned this morning.

The riot that took place turned violent and people started breaking and vandalizing merchants stores in the surrounding area.

Fifteen people were arrested.

And people are still calling threats on the officer and his pregnant wife/newborn.

Near Riot Breaks Out at Oakland Protes (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/BART-Officer-Getting-Death-Threats.html)t

Brian

01-08-2009, 01:44 PM

Oh, a riot with criminal action and vandalism.

THAT makes sense.

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 02:08 PM

Yeah, and they are upset about wrongful killings yet they are talking about harming his wife?

Wtf people?

Brian

01-08-2009, 02:09 PM

Don't worry!!!!!!

Obama "change"

HE will save the day I'm sure.

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 02:11 PM

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/c/z/1/obama_super_obama.jpg

RaceBred 17

01-08-2009, 02:20 PM

If your touching someone who is been taserd you can get shocked.

kingkilburn

01-08-2009, 02:37 PM

That is why I said not to let ideology cloud it. If the president says defend this spot they defend. If he says stop the fighting in this country they do. If he says remove this country's leaders from power it happens. If you remove the name department of defense, or better give it its old name(department of war) you see it more as it is. It is a tool. There is nothing wrong with that. Another point is that soldiers and marines are not individuals. Their service is a means to an end, not the end in itself.

The police on the other hand are very much individuals. One bad one taints the image of the whole(even if it's only temporary). In their case the job is the end goal, the policing itself. It is what happens between initial contact and arraignment that defines the means.

!Zar!

01-08-2009, 02:38 PM

If your touching someone who is been taserd you can get shocked.

http://profile.ak.facebook.com/object2/1398/82/l6889933227_8826.jpg

kingkilburn

01-08-2009, 02:52 PM

And knowing is half the battle. lol

HalveBlue

01-08-2009, 03:11 PM

GeeeeeeeeeeeeeEyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeJOE!!!

/This thread is now over.

jskateborders

01-08-2009, 03:28 PM

Last police issued Glock I looked at had a safety. It is built into the trigger. So that just means he had to disengage the safety to kill him. How does that fact help you "accident theory in the least?

You need to college student your ass to a fucking grammar lecture and learn what a paragraph is. You also need to get a hobby and some friends if you're only way of "venting life's frustrations" is through an internet forum. Maybe join a Dungeon's and Dragon's guild or start playing War Hammer as the people who engage in those activities are prolly your caliber. And I understand, come at me for my grammer because you have no legitimate, on topic response to what I said. Is what I wrote legible? So whats the problem, Its a forum. I have a hobby and some freinds, Im also part of a forum where I take part in discussions, and Im sorry of my interjections upset you. I live in the real world, and I see shit falling apart fast. Its a litte uppsetting and Im (or I'm cause you care so much) sorry that I care that some kid died because of some worthless fuck of a cop. Dead. That means his mother will never see her son again, his freinds will never see him again. It concerns me that we have gotten to a point where people are defending an officer, instead of realizing that a human life was taken.

By the way, jskateborders has clearly never seen an air taser. You don't have to touch something with a taser anymore, you can easily shoot them with a tasering probe too. Which Is why I left an acceptence of error in my statement.