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Teambadrun

01-01-2009, 11:32 PM

Just want to know.

how these compare to

Cusco
HKS
GREDDY
Nismo
GP SPORTS
Tein
JIC
Buddy Club

and ofcourse ---- Megan Racing lol

etc.

has anyone driven these for long enough, and or compared them back to back to similar models from a differnt company ( similar spring rates, and designed for drifting obviously.)

Do they offer lots of grip,and steering compared to other brands?

Share your input in here

and are they offering rebuild packages for these (seal kits etc) fairly easy?

Thank you!
ALEX

lflkajfj12123

01-02-2009, 12:10 AM

australia fail

they go low
they're beefy
they're stiff
they're cheap

most people seem pleased with them

but most people have never had a real coilover anyways

azndoc

01-02-2009, 12:21 AM

I drove on them when one of the guy at the drift event asked me to test out his car.

That shit is super stiff. (that's what she said)

Like not my particular taste when it comes to coilovers. I told him to put that shit on the softest setting and that shit was still to stiff.

GSXRJJordan

01-02-2009, 12:34 AM

Like not my particular taste when it comes to coilovers.

I think this sums up my opinion of them too. They're very stiff, but "not for good reason" - meaning in my opinion, the damping curve doesn't match the spring curve for very much of the adjustment. They're made to function very well on a smooth track, and they do, but for everything else, they are not as good as some other comparable coilovers.

My opinion is based on the PBM coils @ 10k/8k springs vs. my Tanabe 7's I had on my s13 (10k/8k also, with great damping - fantastic coilovers), and my Stance GR+ Pros on my S14 (8k/6k, which makes much more sense for everything except drifting on a perfectly smooth surface) - the best suspension that I have to compare to, though, is my Dad's C5 Z06, which out-grips anything lol.

datboibrad

01-02-2009, 01:01 AM

Stance GR+ Pros on my S14 (8k/6k, which makes much more sense for everything except drifting on a perfectly smooth surface)

i feel lost in this part of your post. are you saying the GR+ Pro's dont perform for you drift wise? if so, is it the spring rates?

GSXRJJordan

01-02-2009, 01:08 AM

i feel lost in this part of your post. are you saying the GR+ Pro's dont perform for you drift wise? if so, is it the spring rates?

It's all in the spring rate, and the damping curve. The 10k/8k springs will make the car "honda-rice-boi" bouncy (think lowering springs on blown struts) unless you stiffen the damping to match, and then what you get is a really stiff ride that actually decreases performance/grip unless the surface is very smooth - like a track.

8k/6k are more better suited to cars of our weight, and help you actually maintain traction over bumps and such... this makes the softer springs (which work better with slightly softer damping) function better on imperfect surfaces (like regular roads, canyons, or bumpy tracks like Streets of Willow).

Also, stiffer coils do not help handling if the car is not rigid enough to hold all 4 corners relative to each other - strut tower bars help, but the way to get the most out of your stiff springed coilovers is to put in a cage. Softer springs = less force put on the car's frame at once = better handling on stock-ish car.

If I were building a purpose-built drift car for track-only, with a suitably stiff body (read: roll cage), PBM coils or similarly stiff ones would be my number one choice. For a street car that occasionally sees track duty, for the same money, I like my Stance coils.

JayDee M Rolly

01-02-2009, 01:25 AM

would getting the PBM's with the 8/6 combo make them better?

revat619

01-02-2009, 01:33 AM

would getting the PBM's with the 8/6 combo make them better?

no. Reason being they would have to revalve them to match that spring rate which would then put them along the same lines as Stance. So it'd be rather pointless to do that when something like that is readily availble off the shelf.

I'm not saying Stances are bad though. I had them on my old S14 and i loved them. I'm just saying its a different "type" of coilover....and i use the word "type" loosely, hence the quotes.

It really boils down to personal preference. I personally dont like super stiff cars on the street because its annoying. The ride doesnt bother me, but passengers (more specifically womenz) complain all the time and my cd's skip and that (the cd's) pisses me off to no end. lol

I will say this though, as far as customer support, PBM is one of the best imo. Everything is right here stateside so no long waiting times if you need something replaced or rebuilt, people are super cool and helpful, and the prices are great.

datboibrad

01-02-2009, 01:40 AM

It's all in the spring rate, and the damping curve. The 10k/8k springs will make the car "honda-rice-boi" bouncy (think lowering springs on blown struts) unless you stiffen the damping to match, and then what you get is a really stiff ride that actually decreases performance/grip unless the surface is very smooth - like a track.

8k/6k are more better suited to cars of our weight, and help you actually maintain traction over bumps and such... this makes the softer springs (which work better with slightly softer damping) function better on imperfect surfaces (like regular roads, canyons, or bumpy tracks like Streets of Willow).

Also, stiffer coils do not help handling if the car is not rigid enough to hold all 4 corners relative to each other - strut tower bars help, but the way to get the most out of your stiff springed coilovers is to put in a cage. Softer springs = less force put on the car's frame at once = better handling on stock-ish car.

If I were building a purpose-built drift car for track-only, with a suitably stiff body (read: roll cage), PBM coils or similarly stiff ones would be my number one choice. For a street car that occasionally sees track duty, for the same money, I like my Stance coils.

that answered my question :D

Teambadrun

01-02-2009, 02:05 AM

SlideWell

01-02-2009, 02:09 AM

check out your local relations with Silk Road, they make excellent coilovers. unfortunately for the US market they arent serviceable here and the person the was in charge of silk road usa fucked over a lot of people. if ur car is a drift car, equip it with the right stuff. you cant go wrong with DG-5. i run Yashio Factory. seriously tho, check out what u can get there, i know u guys get some better shit than we do in the USA.

Z33dori

01-02-2009, 02:15 AM

if you balls then get them... yes they alot stiffer than most coilovers... but fuck i live around shitty uneven roads and it's pretty bearable for daily driving.

then handle wonderfully....they don't bounce and skipp around corners like megans/ ksports/etc... all those super fucking garbage coilovers,,, i know i use to have Ksports... now have PBMs..... and have ridden on all of the stance coilovers ...

so if the stiffness is to much for your pussy ass, or you loved ones.... get Stance or some other good name brand coilover

end thread/

Teambadrun

01-02-2009, 02:23 AM

GSXRJJordan

01-02-2009, 04:19 AM

I run Silk Roads in the Supermade S15 they are awsome, but i heard they are not rebuildable, which i dont want... I am being picky but hey.. i dont want to go buying something i cant fix later on..
just my 2c

the MAX website says they have 6kg springs available? has anyone tested that out

SilkRoads are fantastic coils, and any coilover is rebuildable - it's just that you'd like to get it serviced by the same people that make them, and it's a little tougher with them.

Don't simply respring the PBM coils, the damping will still be way off. Get the springs the coilover maker recommends, because they know what dampers they put in there.

JayDee M Rolly

01-02-2009, 04:23 AM

well the reason i asked that is because they offer a 6kg spring.
http://zilvia.net/f/2448138-post2311.html

GSXRJJordan

01-02-2009, 04:28 AM

Sure. They can also get you a 16kg spring probably. Doesn't mean the damper changes at all. Actually, the dampers would probably work better on 16kg/14kg setup than 8k/6k. That's how stiff they are.

Not trying to 'rag' on them more than any other coilover, but that's like taking Megan Tracks and putting 6k springs on... doesn't make them perform well on the soft side of their damping adjustment.

JayDee M Rolly

01-02-2009, 04:29 AM

ahh okay, thanks for the good info. learning alot of stuff here.

DreamN

01-02-2009, 04:30 AM

I've ridden in PBM both on the street and on the track. Those things were hell on my back cruising on the 405 Freeway from Santa Monica (10 Freeway) to granada hills (118 Freeway). As mentioned on the track if you have a nice smooth service they feel pretty nice. Honestly, they compare to Megan or KSports in my opinion. I really don't know what's all the rage with that brand.

I personally ride on Stance GR+ Pros. Nice daily and track coilovers. Nothing extreme. I still need to fine tune mine and get a proper alignment to really get all the benefits from them. I like them and enjoy them, but I have nothing much to compare them too.

yokotas13

01-02-2009, 05:46 AM

Honestly, they compare to Megan or KSports in my opinion. I really don't know what's all the rage with that brand.

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marketing is a bitch

Edgar

01-02-2009, 06:16 AM

Compared to Stance and KTS I would say that Stance is better IMO.
PBM were stiff as fuck on my boys S13, but again is this a preference?
I haven't heard of anyone ever complaining about them as they mess up
and fail like K-Sport but again you are comparing them to a lot of coilovers.

JVD

01-02-2009, 08:14 AM

australia fail

they go low
they're beefy
they're stiff
they're cheap

most people seem pleased with them

but most people have never had a real coilover anyways
So... you've driven on them before then?

Please list the "real" coilovers you've had.

TIA.

ILoveMyRHS13

01-02-2009, 11:53 AM

Xbroke_kidX

01-02-2009, 12:04 PM

I have them and love them, i dont think there to stiff. But as stated its "preference"

Iv ridden in cars with Megan tracks and i hated them, Jic Fla 2's? i think and they are amazing. And also Kei Office, also really nice coils.

pinkarrowsnow

01-02-2009, 02:21 PM

ok ive had them for a long time 2 years in march. They havent given me one problem besides collars getting loose from time to time no biggie. They are extremely stiff even on full soft. I drive in nj on some pretty rough roads and its bad but you get used to it. They go retared low. So man up support dan and PBM and get some.

theslows13

01-02-2009, 04:33 PM

My buddy has them on his coupe, they're fucking great. He had KSport on his last hatch but then realized he was an idiot. I'd recommend them, but if you're going to bitch about a stiff ride for dailying, they aren't for you.

im said buddy. coils/arms/everything by them that i own is tits.

about to place another order tonight/tomo for more PBM product. they are stiff, not for weak of heart/balls. they are built well, are super beefy, are shiny orange/gold (win win), but seriously tho, i love them

ksports are such shit. i dont need to say anymore. if you argue that fact with me, you need punched in the mouth

ive never had "real" coils. whatever the FUCK that means? "real" coils? you mean $3k suspension shit that NOONE on here needs cus we dont live on tracks? that stuff? ooooh... cus im sure everyone here who dailies the shit out of our 20+year old s13's NEED that? yeah... this aint some ferrari, its a nissan econo car.

that being said. i <3 s13's, pbm product, and driving. so ill keep all 3

NewS13Guy

01-02-2009, 07:04 PM

Im running Stance GR+ but have yet been able to make it to a drift event. Ive heard that the Poweredbymax coilovers are really bouncy and feel to much like cheap coilovers.

racepar1

01-02-2009, 07:10 PM

Australia fail?

Ok.. right

Anyhow i dont want stiff coilovers, my car is a DRIFT car not a car hard-parking and telling everyone how stiff my coil overs are..

Looks like ill stick to the buddy Club's i had on mind....

I need proper working coilovers with traction and performance (not stiff and shitty)

Does anyone with the "MAX" coils actually want to post there feedback on these?

From what I hear the buddy club coils are also very stiff. If you want comfy coils get tein flexes or monoflexes. They are as comfy as coils can be and have decent performance at the track. Be aware that my idea of "decent" = "good" for most people.

GSXRJJordan

01-02-2009, 07:21 PM

ive never had "real" coils. whatever the FUCK that means? "real" coils? you mean $3k suspension shit that NOONE on here needs cus we dont live on tracks? that stuff? ooooh... cus im sure everyone here who dailies the shit out of our 20+year old s13's NEED that? yeah... this aint some ferrari, its a nissan econo car.

"Real" coilovers aren't that much more expensive than "cheap" coilovers - I sold my Tanabe 7's for $1500 in almost-new condition, and they're much more capable than Ksport/Megan/PBM, and definitely superior to the "middle-of-the-road" coils like JIC/Stance/etc. That's my first point.

And I believe my second point was, for people that just daily their cars (and might see the track once every few months), PBM coils don't make much sense, when Stance is more comfortable and performs better on the "regular" surfaces that we drive on 99% of the time, for the same money.

yokotas13

01-02-2009, 07:49 PM

i dunno my aragosta coils made me hella much more faster than the other shit i had on my car (silkroads) and now my KGms handle WAY better than the RG coils i had.

but then again, all hte stuff i use is middle to high price tags

Om1kron

01-02-2009, 07:53 PM

I once had omnipower coilovers, those things were so stiff, that if I hit an elevation change on the freeway I literally would fly out of my seat and hit my roof.

Fuck but that car handled like it was on rails when there were no potholes... and when there was, you definitely knew.

Teambadrun

01-02-2009, 07:54 PM

From what I hear the buddy club coils are also very stiff. If you want comfy coils get tein flexes or monoflexes. They are as comfy as coils can be and have decent performance at the track. Be aware that my idea of "decent" = "good" for most people.

I don't want comfy coils.
I want good coils
Im not sure if you understand this.. lol

This car is a 2.2Lstroker,450rwhp, car with a straight-cut sequential Dogbox.

GSXRJJordan seems like he knows what i want.

Anyhow
Buddyclubs are not stiff, i have had them on another car i used to have about 2 years ago when they first came out, bought them brand new and loved them. They actually felt better then the coils in my S15, however the Silk Roads are fantastic too, so im getting qoutes on both as GP Sports PRO and DG-5's cost too much now as the AUD has sunken.

A mate of mine runs monoflex in his daily,street basher and they SUCK
Don't buy them coils haha

Dousan_PG

01-02-2009, 07:58 PM

dg-5

ive had the tein he, jic flta2, stance regular and gr+

for middle to low brands they are ok
stance and jic were the better
the rest was meh.
ive driven on the PBM
its ok just too stiff for me. im not talking comfort im talking supsension travel.

i probably gonna stick w/ the DG-5 for a very long time.
but the costis much higher then the rest of course.

yokotas13

01-02-2009, 07:58 PM

yeah

omnipower
the OG ksport

racepar1

01-02-2009, 08:10 PM

I don't want comfy coils.
I want good coils
Im not sure if you understand this.. lol

And what, tein's aren't good? I'm not sure YOU understand what good coils feel like. I run my flexes on the track and even the hugest bumps don't upset the car, sounds good to me. I know a guy who ran the buddy club racing spec's on his RSX, he hated them, too stiff and jarring. He then switched to flexes, he loved them, not jarring or bouncy. Stiffer is not better. I have driven on both ends of the "shit" spectrum. Bouncy ass coils and jarring ass coils.

Teambadrun

01-02-2009, 08:27 PM

Well must be his RSX that sucked, This is a S13 silvia :D

Getting a proper qoute on the GP Sports PRO model ( tuned by DG-5 )
Silk Road
Buddy Club

See how i go, ill keep you guys updated

Teambadrun

01-03-2009, 04:25 AM

jsut bit the bullet and got some.... ƒTƒXƒyƒ“ƒVƒ‡ƒ“ G-MASTER Pros / GP SPORTS (http://www.gpsports.co.jp/sus/pros.html)

:ssex::tinhat:

JVD

01-03-2009, 09:21 AM

And what, tein's aren't good? I'm not sure YOU understand what good coils feel like. I run my flexes on the track and even the hugest bumps don't upset the car, sounds good to me. I know a guy who ran the buddy club racing spec's on his RSX, he hated them, too stiff and jarring. He then switched to flexes, he loved them, not jarring or bouncy. Stiffer is not better. I have driven on both ends of the "shit" spectrum. Bouncy ass coils and jarring ass coils.
Tein flex sucks dick. I've ridden on them. Just terrible. That was on an r32 however.

Section rma8 are a shit ton better on the 32.

LOVE my gp sports gr-6, badrun. I'm sure you'll like those. Good choice.

racepar1

01-03-2009, 10:16 AM

Tein flex sucks dick. I've ridden on them. Just terrible. That was on an r32 however.

I've ridden on coils that truly suck dick and flexes don't qualify for that statement. Flexes keep the wheels on the ground quite well. My only gripe is that they do not control the body movement of the car as well as I would like, but in all honesty I think I would need a double adjustable damper to control the body movement in the way that I want to.

smokin 14

01-03-2009, 01:41 PM

I run pbm coilovers on my s14 with 18"wheels my friend has tein flex on 180sx with 17"wheels we run though the mountains all the time he's a little faster but his car is harder to drift ,my car is much eazy'er to drift and im allway's right behind him when i chase i guest it all depends on your driving skill. I love pbm coilover's i will get the 8 kg springs to try and pick up more speed in the touge

FusionR240sx

01-03-2009, 02:48 PM

but passengers (more specifically womenz) complain all the time and my cd's skip and that (the cd's) pisses me off to no end. lol

who listens to CD's?
and who cares about comfort...
240's aren't cars made for comfort..

GSXRJJordan

01-03-2009, 02:54 PM

who listens to CD's?
and who cares about comfort...
240's aren't cars made for comfort..

240's can be very comfortable. I'm actually taking my car from "super-track-status" (totally stripped, everything performance-oriented) to "semi-comfortable street car status" right now, with a great sound system, passenger seat, interior pieces, lots of sound deadening, headliner, and a couple clicks softer on the coilovers. Sure, it's going to add ~100lbs, but I simply don't enjoy driving the car as much anymore, and that hurts my car-psyche. If I can't get my S14 as comfortable as the Z06, I'll probably paint it and sell it next year :hide:

On topic: Glad you found some coils that you think are right for you Badrun, let us all know when you get them what you think.

Z33dori

01-03-2009, 03:48 PM

jsut bit the bullet and got some.... ƒTƒXƒyƒ“ƒVƒ‡ƒ“ G-MASTER Pros / GP SPORTS (http://www.gpsports.co.jp/sus/pros.html)

:ssex::tinhat:

good choice..... i'm sure you will be extremely happy with them....

revat619

01-03-2009, 07:51 PM

who listens to CD's?
and who cares about comfort...
240's aren't cars made for comfort..

ok cool guy.... :rolleyes:

240's aren't real sports cars either so don't even go there.

My old car was stupid stiff, ,and i didnt like it. Like whats already been stated, if its on a smooth track super stiff is cool, but as a daily its retarded. Stiff suspension doesnt always mean better.

I have HKS coilovers on my current S14 and the damping is amazing. The comfort level is like stock minus the body roll. It out handles my old car by LEAPS AND BOUNDS...and i dont have half the suspension stuff i had then.

Teambadrun

01-03-2009, 08:35 PM

Tein flex sucks dick. I've ridden on them. Just terrible. That was on an r32 however.

Section rma8 are a shit ton better on the 32.

LOVE my gp sports gr-6, badrun. I'm sure you'll like those. Good choice.
hey i used to run GR-6 GP Sports,

but..

they failed, miserable coilover i believe. They where a 9/ 7 and they where not brand new.

They where probably good if brand new, however i still have them in the shed somewhere, 1 front one broke in half and the rear drivers side blew up and jammed... it leaked out all the oil lol.

Im hoping the newew models tuned by DG-5 ones are better

P.s im going to put rubber boots over the coilovers as apparently they dont come equipped with some.. hopefully that doesnt get any dirty stuff in it

JVD

01-04-2009, 12:15 PM

hey i used to run GR-6 GP Sports,

but..

they failed, miserable coilover i believe. They where a 9/ 7 and they where not brand new.

They where probably good if brand new, however i still have them in the shed somewhere, 1 front one broke in half and the rear drivers side blew up and jammed... it leaked out all the oil lol.

Im hoping the newew models tuned by DG-5 ones are better

P.s im going to put rubber boots over the coilovers as apparently they dont come equipped with some.. hopefully that doesnt get any dirty stuff in it

Hahaha.

Must be because they were used.

Mine weren't new, but ride really good... but then again I've never ridden on $2k coilovers.

lflkajfj12123

01-04-2009, 02:39 PM

if you've never ridden on $2k coilovers then why the fuck are you telling me to list the real coilovers i've had

So... you've driven on them before then?

Please list the "real" coilovers you've had.

TIA.

bejota180sx

01-04-2009, 03:55 PM

what the hell do people call "REAL" coilovers?

anything that isn't made by some shitty company that just wants to make a few bucks is a real coilover... the difference is how they perform and personal preference... some might like ZEAL coils and others DG-5 and others are just as happy,have fun, and get decent performance out of other companies like stance, PBM,etc... some people are new to all of this and with some megans,ksport,godspeed they get the hang of how coils feel and maybe even find that for WHAT THEY NEED/WANT those coils are perfect, when they feel they need to step up good for them...

the OP wanted FEEDBACK on PBM coils... not "bitch about what coils you hate"

BlitzRPS13

01-04-2009, 03:59 PM

I got Racing Gear coilovers.. and i hate them.. too fucking stiff.. like others.. my car hops over bumps instead of going over them.. throws me around like nothing else. Awesome on a track.. but that's about it.

Also i have no experience with pbm coils.. just thought i'd throw in my 2 cents so the op doesn't go with RG's.

Matej

01-04-2009, 04:03 PM

Eh, I've ridden in 240's with all kinds of coilovers, ranging from Ksport to DG-5, and I couldn't tell the difference between most of them, haha.

Teambadrun

01-04-2009, 08:58 PM

This is what my freind, shinji minowa says about coilovers when i just emailed him about the GP sports PRO's.

hey man
my opinion is GPsports is good performance and good price
ofcourse DG5 is very good but little bit expencive

HKS and Yashio is same thing pretty good but
not strong for deep drift angle I felt

speak soon

he can get good prices on these, as he is sponsord by GP Sports for D1.

Dousan_PG

01-04-2009, 08:59 PM

funny he starts with
hey man

haha
good luck!

Teambadrun

01-04-2009, 09:02 PM

funny he starts with
hey man

haha
good luck!
HAHAH yeh. its funny.. he always says it hence his shop name lol

INeedNewTires

01-04-2009, 09:49 PM

Teambadrun

01-04-2009, 10:43 PM

i'm surprized nobody has mentioned Tein Super Drift's yet.... anyone tried these? I am considering either these or Tanabe 5/7's Both have great features, and i dont want to waste 1300 on a decent set when i can get a much nicer set for only a few hundred more.
ihad Tein Drift masters ( HE?) with swift pro springs
in my C34 laurel thats sitting outside on bricks now lol

they where awsome..... but they are discontinuednow arnt they??

BlckBeautyVTEC

01-05-2009, 11:24 AM

I've Had PBM coilovers for almost 2 years now. I haven't had any problems with them. I also daily drove them for pretty much the whole time (up till 3 months ago), not very comfortable for DD but it is bearable (i think).

i like them on the track i think they feel good. lots of the SD guys rock them (matty cakes, Tommy) i think for a basic coilover set up they have major bang for your buck.

my .02

Bushido

01-05-2009, 06:07 PM

i've been running Part Shop Max coils for over a year, they are a quality coilover and a good value, 1050 shipped and only 400 to get all new dampers.

they were designed with drifting in mind, so they aren't exactly comfortable on the street, but i daily them and it's not too bad. it's good to be stiff when you are 2 inches from the ground.

Teambadrun

01-05-2009, 06:13 PM

Thanks for everyones feedback, however my GP SPORTS PROs are on the way now

thanks everyone !!

JayDee M Rolly

01-05-2009, 06:35 PM

you should leave your feedback on those =P

denkigrve

01-22-2010, 10:04 PM

drift freaq

01-22-2010, 11:03 PM

Yes, please leave your feedback I'm curious to know how they ride on the street, how they handle on the track, etc. I'm trying to start researching/shopping around now to replace the Apex'i WS turds that are in the car I just bought.

LOL I guess you don't look at the dates of things much. You just bumped a year old thread that was dead.

Enna

01-23-2010, 12:44 AM

It confuses me on how ppl find some of these threads...

mrflip69

01-23-2010, 02:00 PM

People searching? Since that's what most people bitch about noobs NOT doing?

fliprayzin240sx

01-23-2010, 06:12 PM

People searching? Since that's what most people bitch about noobs NOT doing?

The problem is how he bumped it. If you're gonna bump an old ass thread, atleast say something along the line of "I didnt want to start a new thread about this same subject but yada yada yada" Better yet...PM Badrun and ask him the question.

FusionR240sx

01-24-2010, 01:30 PM

ok cool guy.... :rolleyes:

240's aren't real sports cars either so don't even go there.

well i had my rear seat outta my s14 and had the music on blast and couldn't hear it with a 3" RS*R exhaust.
that's not even a 3" straight pipe style.

and i kno i'm cool :coold:

and comfort?
if u have coils the car isn't really gona be comfortable.
u can't tell me that it is comfortable cuz if u sit in another car with no coils you'll be like gosh i hate my car.

so don't go there girlfriend.