school me on AR-15's

[japslapsilvia]

looking to get an AR-15. for under around a grand

brands that i have been looking into are Bushmaster, Armalite, DPMS, and Olympic arms.

DPMS seems to be the more expensive out of the bunch.

and Olympic seems to be the cheapest.

the one that i have had my eye on is the Bushmaster O.R.C.
reason being is no carry handle, i plan on puting on a red-dot scope, foward grip, and a tatical light on the front

Anyone have one or have any input as to the advantages/disadvantages of any of the brands listed. or have other suggested brands.

[HalveBlue]

FWIW, Colt is considered the standard when it comes to AR-15. That's not to say the other manufacturers are bad, but Colt is the OEM.

If I were to build my weapon I'd use a Colt lower receiver with an H&K 416 upper.

But that's $$$.

My advice, know exactly what you want and why you want it. Aside from the financial aspects, let's not forget that these things are weapons and not toys.

I can't imagine why anyone outside of the military and LE community would need an AR with all those nifty gadgets you plan on putting on.

Not trying to be harsh, just upfront and real.

If you haven't already, check out
http://www.ar15.com (http://www.ar15.com/).

Also, check out your local gun store. Most of those guys can give you better information. Plus, you actually get a feel for these things.

Good Luck!

[japslapsilvia]

Thanks for the link i will check that out

and i completly agree with you on this.

let's not forget that these things are weapons and not toys.



im just looking for something different, i have other firearms as well, and shot the bushmaster at the range, (my cousin has it), and wouldnt mine owning one. just trying to get a feel as to personnel experinces between brands.

THANKS!

[drftmark]

FWIW, Colt is considered the standard when it comes to AR-15. That's not to say the other manufacturers are bad, but Colt is the OEM.

If I were to build my weapon I'd use a Colt lower receiver with an H&K 416 upper.

But that's $$$.

My advice, know exactly what you want and why you want it. Aside from the financial aspects, let's not forget that these things are weapons and not toys.

I can't imagine why anyone outside of the military and LE community would need an AR with all those nifty gadgets you plan on putting on.

Not trying to be harsh, just upfront and real.

If you haven't already, check out
http://www.ar15.com (http://www.ar15.com/).

Also, check out your local gun store. Most of those guys can give you better information. Plus, you actually get a feel for these things.

Good Luck!

Yes, Colt is "OEM".

But just be warned that most aftermarket parts, or any other manufacturer of parts usually will not work with Colt parts.

Where as if you get Bushmaster upper reciever it can go on virtually any lower reciever etc.

so basically Colt will make you only be able to use Colt parts.

[98s14inaz]

Olympic is crap, stay away from those. I owned a DPMS for a while and it worked just fine, never jammed once. Freaking tack driver.

[DOOK]

Yes, Colt is "OEM".

But just be warned that most aftermarket parts, or any other manufacturer of parts usually will not work with Colt parts.

Where as if you get Bushmaster upper reciever it can go on virtually any lower reciever etc.

so basically Colt will make you only be able to use Colt parts.

false.... to a certain extent. Colt aren't as aftermarket friendly as some of the others, but what will work you can be assured will be a good quality part.

i have had and used just about every AR15 on the market, both M16 body and M4 body. What you are looking into are the run of the mill weapons. You can spend several grand and get a much better piece, exactly as you want. From the options you gave, best bang for the buck and customizability would be the bushmaster. It would be the glock of carbine rifles. Much like handguns, you can find better, but nothing wrong with a glock. If you're looking for a Kimber quality weapon, you guy Kimber. If you want something to get the job done, you buy a glock. Keep in mind, Where you have a big difference in these guns are tolerances. While some of the cheaper guns can take abuse like crazy and keep on trucking, they also don't shoot as spot on as the more expensive weapons with a tighter tolerance.

just my 2 cents.


in all the time I was in Special Operations I learned one valuable lesson. When push comes to shove, you don't need the gadgets, you need reliability.

[Mr. Camshaft]

Built mine from Stag parts for just under a grand. I hear people do ok with the bargain bin rifles from CMMG. If you're lookin for tacticool then ar15.com is right up your alley.

[eastcoastS14]

machine gun deer hunting?

[DOOK]

machine gun deer hunting?

it's not a machine gun unless it's converted to full auto... AR15s come in semi and our duty carry have semi and 3 round burst...

you can legally own automatic weapons as long as you have a class 3 license and follow the marking rules. Same goes for a silencer.

[mRclARK1]

in all the time I was in Special Operations I learned one valuable lesson. When push comes to shove, you don't need the gadgets, you need reliability.

YES! Truth. Me and you differ almost nil when it comes to firearm preferences etc. I think. haha

I'd rather have my weapon fire after slogging through sand, mud, water or whatever nature throws at it then have it be the most mod friendly and "hi-tech" weapon in the arsenal. Gadgets help, but if gadgets are damaged or inoperable, you still need you to be able to use the weapon. I still probably spend twice the time firing open sight than I do with any sight aid on a range for just that purpose.

Hence why the Colt .45 1911 and AK (its basic design at least) are still some of the best weapons on the planet. Beat the shit out of those things, never service it, and run it over with a truck (although none of the above are recommended haha) and it'll still fire.

I'd rather use an unquestionably reliable weapon that looks like a pile of herpes and feces than one that looks "cool" and is super modable but jams as soon as a little sand or water gets into the action. HalveBlue mentioned using a H&K 416 upper which is a good idea... I'm a fan of the 416 in general... Amazing weapon.

[Jefferson]

I have had good luck with Stag Arms and DPMS.
My buddy had an Olympic Arms a while back and it would FTE all the time, not sure if it was his specific rifle or if all Olympics are like that.

Also since you said you want to spend under 1K, thats going to limit your options drastically especially with the way the presidential elections went.

ar15.com has a classified section where pretty good deals can often be found if you wait for them to pop up

[murda-c]

My mosin nagant is really reliable.

I do remember my uncle having kick the bolt open a few times though lol.

but that's not bad for a 60 year old rifle with oem parts

[Ethix]

I want one of these: Socom II- M1A

http://www.pdhsc.com/SOCOMGENII.jpg

They're expensive so I can't afford it now, but once I finish paying off school stuff I'll probably buy one.

[fromxtor]

You can buy M4 frames complete here for around $600, I am also in the market for an AR-15, M16 etc type rifle. But am torn between the M4 styles smaller frame and the M16s longer barrel.

[DOOK]

You can buy M4 frames complete here for around $600, I am also in the market for an AR-15, M16 etc type rifle. But am torn between the M4 styles smaller frame and the M16s longer barrel.

PM me, I'll make the decision for you...

[HalveBlue]

You can buy M4 frames complete here for around $600, I am also in the market for an AR-15, M16 etc type rifle. But am torn between the M4 styles smaller frame and the M16s longer barrel.

What do you mean when you say M-4 frame?

It's nearly impossible to buy a "true" M-4 unless you're either LE, military, or have have the paperwork that DOOK mentioned earlier. This is due to the fact that the M-4 lower receiver is is designed with either a "Full Auto" or "3 Round Burst" setting for the fire selector switch.

Again, I'm not quite sure what you mean by frame. I'm assuming you're referring to both the upper and lower receivers. If that's the case, I'd say run far, far away. That's what I'd do if someone was offering me one for $600.

About the closest most people will come to owning an M-4 is using the AR-15 upper and lower receivers, installing a telescoping stock and a shorter barrel.

Unless you know people, it's hard to get a decent reliable set up below $1000.

But, to answer your question, the M-4 is a carbine. It was designed specifically to increase mobility. The trade off is a decrease in range.

From a practical standpoint, unless you're involved in clearing buildings all day, it basically comes down to whether or not an increase in mobility worth the increase in price and decrease in effective range.

[Lr308]

Dpms my vote! Or the top of the line jprifles.com / Or Dpms receiver and Jp rifle parts! I hate the 223 go with 204 or 30cal. If you really get into shooting join snipershide.com one of the best forums.

[cc4usmc]

What do you mean when you say M-4 frame?

He's probably referring to the length. M-16's being long and M-4's being short.

[DOOK]

He's probably referring to the length. M-16's being long and M-4's being short.

I wouldn't say long and shorts... I would say compact vs fullsize.

[cc4usmc]

I wouldn't say long and shorts... I would say compact vs fullsize.

Well I don't see how that makes a difference..it means the same thing. M-16's have long barrels, M-4's have short.

[mRclARK1]

From a practical standpoint, unless you're involved in clearing buildings all day, it basically comes down to whether or not an increase in mobility worth the increase in price and decrease in effective range.

I have a hard time seeing how, from a self/home defense standpoint at least, a weapon with a better range is really a factor. Unless you live in a house with football field length hallways... The trade off isn't really a better weapon from a performance standpoint, but rather pay more or less depending on what you're most comfortable operating. But from a home defense standpoint... Just buy a shotgun and call it a day. From a self defense standpoint outside your home, lugging around any type of rifle or shotgun on your person is just not (or at least should not be) happening. haha

It's probably why I've never bothered to obtain an AR-15 or any other form of rifle. I have a hard time seeing how anyone at all needs it outside LE and military.

I always laugh when I hear about someone picking up something like that for "home defense".

[DOOK]

Well I don't see how that makes a difference..it means the same thing. M-16's have long barrels, M-4's have short. If a weapon is short, it's going to be compact.

not just the barrel is short though...exactly why I said compact... btw, has anyone besides me shot a .308 carbine? good lord

[HalveBlue]

I always laugh when I hear about someone picking up something like that for "home defense".

BINGO!

The AR is an Assault Rifle, after all. It's designed for combat operations, which it performs quite well (aside from the reliability and stopping power issues).

Honestly, most people that I see with AR's get 'em for the coolness factor. :rolleyes:

[cc4usmc]

Forgive me for not being more specific. I shouldn't have just referred to the barrels. But whatever, I'm not going to fucking argue. I was looking at getting the Robinson Armament carbines that let you switch out barrels from a 5.56 to a .308..but they're a little more then I can pay lol.

[DOOK]

Forgive me for not being more specific. I shouldn't have just referred to the barrels. But whatever, I'm not going to fucking argue. I was looking at getting the Robinson Armament carbines that let you switch out barrels from a 5.56 to a .308..but they're a little more then I can pay lol.

if you ever get it, be prepared to get your dick knocked stiff... I have shot a lot of weapons and this is probably the 2nd worse... aside from a .50... it was not pleasant

[DOOK]

BINGO!

The AR is an Assault Rifle, after all. It's designed for combat operations, which it performs quite well (aside from the reliability and stopping power issues).

Honestly, most people that I see with AR's get 'em for the coolness factor. :rolleyes:

nothing works better than your run of the mill Remington 870 with some dragon's breath... fire one of those mother fuckers off and you will never have another home invasion... ever

[mRclARK1]

not just the barrel is short though...exactly why I said compact... btw, has anyone besides me shot a .308 carbine? good lord

I bet.

Hold onto your weapon. haha... That's the same round (or at least interchangeable IIRC) with the 7.62x51mm NATO is it not?

[cc4usmc]

if you ever get it, be prepared to get your dick knocked stiff... I have shot a lot of weapons and this is probably the 2nd worse... aside from a .50... it was not pleasant

Really? That's too bad. I'm not the biggest guy.. last thing I want to do get something I can't shoot practically. Oh well.. 5.56 it is then haha.

[DOOK]

Really? That's too bad. I'm not the biggest guy.. last thing I want to do get something I can't shoot practically. Oh well.. 5.56 it is then haha.

of course I was firing reloaded rounds that were slightly pepped up...

don't know about out there, but .223 and 5.56 are A LOT cheaper than .308 anyhow here... of course, everything has gone up over the past several years.

[cronux]

this hasn't been mentioned but rock river arms make damn good weapons. their match grade setup is a very competitive one for the price. how do i know? i owned one and competed.


so it kind of depends on what you want it for/ use it for.

shooting a shit load of ammo at 100 yards,

or shooting 1 bullet at 500+

[mRclARK1]

BINGO!

The AR is an Assault Rifle, after all. It's designed for combat operations, which it performs quite well (aside from the reliability and stopping power issues).

Honestly, most people that I see with AR's get 'em for the coolness factor. :rolleyes:

Everyone is cooler with an M-4 lookalike hanging from their shoulder when they're trying to impress people...

That's why I'm a fan of the 416. It basically keeps all the pros of the M-4 and 16 system and fixes the cons... Reliability wise at least. You want the extra stopping power... That's what the 417 is for.

[dynamicck]

nothing works better than your run of the mill Remington 870 with some dragon's breath... fire one of those mother fuckers off and you will never have another home invasion... ever



For Home defense...Remington 870 is shotgun to use. There are so many mods for that. Only problem with shotguns are...you cant leave them loaded because the shells are plastic and will deform. (unless you make full brass shells)
AR15's are not good for home defense because .223's will go through dry wall...especially dangerous if you live with others.

I like Rock River Arms and DPMS.

[onepuff]

I want one of these.

YouTube - Magpul FMG9 Incredible Security Flashlight with Hidden Glock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF1ZjlWb9bE)

[yokotas13]

For Home defense...Remington 870 is shotgun to use. There are so many mods for that. Only problem with shotguns are...you cant leave them loaded because the shells are plastic and will deform. (unless you make full brass shells)
AR15's are not good for home defense because .223's will go through dry wall...especially dangerous if you live with others.

I like Rock River Arms and DPMS.
unless you are trained to use one :)

i would personally just rock a M9 as home defense, but that isnt the question

im sure he just wants it to play with, i want one to stay proficient

[japslapsilvia]

Thanks for all the info!!

i actaully own a 870 with front pistol grip, and rear pistol grip and folding stock.

and i also own an SKS, and a 9mm, so i wont be using the AR for home defense, mainly for the shooting range.

[Koopa Troopa]

unless you are trained to use one :)


You've been recently hanging out with Cpl Destroys Bitches, haven't you?

[KA24DESOneThree]

I bet.

Hold onto your weapon. haha... That's the same round (or at least interchangeable IIRC) with the 7.62x51mm NATO is it not?

.308 will work in rifles chambered in a 7.62x51, 7.62x51 will work in rifles chambered in .308. Cases are functionally identical, so feeding is fine and 7.62x51 pressures are well within allowances for a .308 rifle.

Not so with .223 Rem/5.56 NATO. .223 Rem will fire in a 5.56-chambered rifle, but 5.56 is loaded to higher pressures and has different chamber dimensions and may cause a .223 Rem rifle to explosively deconstruct. However, a .223 Wylde chamber will accommodate both. My rifle is 5.56 NATO, my brother's is .223 Wylde.

I use a carbine-length Bushmaster Carbon-15 as both home defense and home offense. Primary mags are loaded with Hornady TAP as well as Winchester Ranger and some admittedly heavy Hornady match rounds. Ten rounds fired quickly from a rest will still result in ten rounds center mass on a silhouette at 50 yards with iron sights and a factory Bushmaster trigger. Recoil is negligible, feeding has been flawless through the several hundred rounds I've put through the weapon. The only thing I dislike has nothing to do with the weapon but with California laws limiting me to a 10-round magazine semi-permanently affixed. My '98 gun show mags just sit around catching dust.

Most quality ARs are extremely capable weapons and will deliver fantastic accuracy for the price. I can definitely recommend Bushmaster.

[mRclARK1]

.308 will work in rifles chambered in a 7.62x51, 7.62x51 will work in rifles chambered in .308. Cases are functionally identical, so feeding is fine and 7.62x51 pressures are well within allowances for a .308 rifle.

Not so with .223 Rem/5.56 NATO. .223 Rem will fire in a 5.56-chambered rifle, but 5.56 is loaded to higher pressures and has different chamber dimensions and may cause a .223 Rem rifle to explosively deconstruct. However, a .223 Wylde chamber will accommodate both. My rifle is 5.56 NATO, my brother's is .223 Wylde.

I use a carbine-length Bushmaster Carbon-15 as both home defense and home offense. Primary mags are loaded with Hornady TAP as well as Winchester Ranger and some admittedly heavy Hornady match rounds. Ten rounds fired quickly from a rest will still result in ten rounds center mass on a silhouette at 50 yards with iron sights and a factory Bushmaster trigger. Recoil is negligible, feeding has been flawless through the several hundred rounds I've put through the weapon. The only thing I dislike has nothing to do with the weapon but with California laws limiting me to a 10-round magazine semi-permanently affixed. My '98 gun show mags just sit around catching dust.

Most quality ARs are extremely capable weapons and will deliver fantastic accuracy for the price. I can definitely recommend Bushmaster.

I remember the casings being functionally the same, I just couldn't remember if the pressures were within the same tolerance range.

I agree with you the AR is a good weapon, and to most people its flaws will never be a factor... Namely its reliability under harsher conditions/high maintenance issues and stopping power.

Considering I personally have had an M-4 jam up on me, reliability is really all I care about in a weapon. haha. In testings, last year IIRC, comparing the M4 to three other carbines (HK 416, MK16 SCAR and the XM8) which was done primarily in sandy conditions, the M4 stopped more than triple the amount of the second worst rifle. For 60,000 rounds from each model (10 units of each model, so 6,000 per unit) the end result was for total stoppages was:

XM8: 127
MK16 SCAR: 226
HK 416: 233
M4: 882

The M4 stopped on nearly 1.5% of its rounds fired. In comparison with the best fairing XM8, which only stopped on .2% (.39% for the 416 and .38% for the SCAR). Not much of a difference to most... But that's huge if that's the weapon you're taking into a firefight or combat zone, especially if you haven't had the chance to clean it for the last 2 days and it's been through mud and sand and all kinds of shit.

[murda-c]

depending on load, i think a shotgun will penetrate drywall easily.

[fromxtor]

What do you mean when you say M-4 frame?

It's nearly impossible to buy a "true" M-4 unless you're either LE, military, or have have the paperwork that DOOK mentioned earlier. This is due to the fact that the M-4 lower receiver is is designed with either a "Full Auto" or "3 Round Burst" setting for the fire selector switch.

Again, I'm not quite sure what you mean by frame. I'm assuming you're referring to both the upper and lower receivers. If that's the case, I'd say run far, far away. That's what I'd do if someone was offering me one for $600.

About the closest most people will come to owning an M-4 is using the AR-15 upper and lower receivers, installing a telescoping stock and a shorter barrel.

Unless you know people, it's hard to get a decent reliable set up below $1000.

But, to answer your question, the M-4 is a carbine. It was designed specifically to increase mobility. The trade off is a decrease in range.

From a practical standpoint, unless you're involved in clearing buildings all day, it basically comes down to whether or not an increase in mobility worth the increase in price and decrease in effective range.

I am both LE and Military, AR-15, M16, M4 type rifles can be had here for anywhere from $6-700 easy. Dont ask me why they are less expensive, thats just the going rate. I have my own issued rifle w/ the semi/burst lower reciever. But am looking for my own, I'm leaning toward the longer barrel for distance. But will probably get a rifle w/o the iron sights and round hand guards.

http://www.investmentgradefirearms.com/images/M16.jpg
^^ This is what I consider M4 frame, short barrel collapsible butt stock.

I'm thinking maybe something like this, with normal length barrel and collapsible butt stock:
http://www.defensereview.com/stories/m16clinic/M16%20Clinic_SNIPER1-CB.jpg

[dynamicck]

BINGO!

The AR is an Assault Rifle, after all. It's designed for combat operations, which it performs quite well (aside from the reliability and stopping power issues).

Honestly, most people that I see with AR's get 'em for the coolness factor. :rolleyes:


NO. AR is ArmaLite.
They originally made it, then sold it to Colt.

[Mr. Camshaft]

How does that .308 carbine compare to something like .54R through a mosin? Is it like 300 winmag?

[HalveBlue]

I am both LE and Military, AR-15, M16, M4 type rifles can be had here for anywhere from $6-700 easy. Dont ask me why they are less expensive, thats just the going rate. I have my own issued rifle w/ the semi/burst lower reciever. But am looking for my own, I'm leaning toward the longer barrel for distance. But will probably get a rifle w/o the iron sights and round hand guards.

http://www.investmentgradefirearms.com/images/M16.jpg
^^ This is what I consider M4 frame, short barrel collapsible butt stock.

I'm thinking maybe something like this, with normal length barrel and collapsible butt stock:
http://www.defensereview.com/stories/m16clinic/M16%20Clinic_SNIPER1-CB.jpg

Ah, I see. In that case, disregard.

Although I would recommend against abandoning iron sights.

Seriously, batteries die, hi-tech gadgets break, but your trusty iron sights will always be there.

Just my :2c:

[HalveBlue]

NO. AR is ArmaLite.
They originally made it, then sold it to Colt.

What's your point?

[TheWolf]

If someone invades my home... I don't think trouncing around with a carbine no matter how short of a barrel you get is the solution.. You'll want something short.. in shotguns I prefer saiga12's.. easily modded and plenty of options.. that and florida still allows drums so a 30 round drum + shot gun could handle alot of things.. for personal defense I use a beretta cx4 storm in a 9mm. It's got enough rounds for an extended engagement but unless a gang of thieves targets your house. There arn't many scenarios that require more than 10 rounds if your a descent shot and you can find russian overpressure rounds in surplus for it if you wish to defeat body armor at medium engagement distances.

While everyone talks about how far away from their target they can shoot. It's important to realize that the avg engagement is 7' and the avg police swat sniper shooting is 75 yards. So setting up for 200 yard distance shooting isn't what you want.

[KwKouki]

Although I would recommend against abandoning iron sights.

Seriously, batteries die, hi-tech gadgets break, but your trusty iron sights will always be there.

Just my :2c:

Glad to hear this :) I has eotech holo on my M4 with flip up irons for those just in case moments. plus sometimes I prefer them

[fromxtor]

^^ I don't recall this thread being about using any AR style weapon for home defense, I currently own a mossberg persuader that would more so be for home defense. But I would take more pleasure in "defending" my home with my trusty M16SF Crkt, swift,silent, and deadly.

http://www.militaria.pl/upload/wysiwyg/gfx/produkty/ASG/strzelba_mossberg_M500_persuader_270703/strzelba_mossberg_M500_persuader_270703.jpg

[mRclARK1]

Seriously, batteries die, hi-tech gadgets break, but your trusty iron sights will always be there.

Just my :2c:

Didn't I already say this? lolz. :p

Seriously, I don't see how anyone can think good old fashioned iron sights aren't still a necessity to use correctly and effectively.

[fromxtor]

^^ Because I'm left eye dominate and am right handed, so I am made to qualify with my left hand. I hate looking through the sight aperture forcing left eye close, its a huge pita.

[mRclARK1]

^^ Because I'm left eye dominate and am right handed, so I am made to qualify with my left hand. I hate looking through the sight aperture forcing left eye close, its a huge pita.

I can see how that would be a PITA. But still... I wouldn't feel comfortable myself if I was to reliant on something that could be rendered inoperable so easily or accidently though.

Don't get me wrong. I'd have sight accessories on a weapon, and always have in the past. But I would always spend time on the range purposely shooting iron sights to keep the ability sharp. Kind of how I'm right handed, but spend a large amount of time shooting with my left... Work on your weakest points while still refining your strengths.

[mrmephistopheles]

What's your point?

That AR means Armalite and not Assault Rifle.

^^ Because I'm left eye dominate and am right handed, so I am made to qualify with my left hand. I hate looking through the sight aperture forcing left eye close, its a huge pita.

You too? I thought i was the only freak like that. I always shot left handed. (Left hand shoots rifle/stock is on left side of my face, right hand shoots pistol) They have left-handed ARs you know.

[HalveBlue]

That AR means Armalite and not Assault Rifle.

Huh...

I guess you learn something new everyday. :bigok:

[fromxtor]

You too? I thought i was the only freak like that. I always shot left handed. (Left hand shoots rifle/stock is on left side of my face, right hand shoots pistol) They have left-handed ARs you know.

^^ No wai, I enjoy hot shell casings whizzing by my face as they are ejected way too much to buy a special upper. :bigok:

[Jung918]

Let me just say that I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps and I find nothing special about the m16. Yes they are good rifles but the civilian market overhypes this rifle.

[KwKouki]

^^ No wai, I enjoy hot shell casings whizzing by my face as they are ejected way too much to buy a special upper. :bigok:

ahahah I thought I was the only one to enjoy this.

when I was in the academy they were teaching us how to shoot a pistol from the hip...me being left handed always ended a session screaming FUCK FUCK FUCK FUUUUUUUUCK

[mrmephistopheles]

Let me just say that I spent 4 years in the Marine Corps and I find nothing special about the m16. Yes they are good rifles but the civilian market overhypes this rifle.

To this end:

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5269/arsxy1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



I like them, but would MUCH prefer an H&K417 or Bushmaster ACR.

[cdlong]

You too? I thought i was the only freak like that. I always shot left handed. (Left hand shoots rifle/stock is on left side of my face, right hand shoots pistol) They have left-handed ARs you know.

add me to the list too, but i still shoot right handed. it just makes my face really tired after shooting for a while from forcing my left eye closed. i have to say i love the red dot sights, some much more comfortable to use.

[KwKouki]

I like them, but would MUCH prefer an H&K417 or Bushmaster ACR.

werd, the 417 and its cool "no carbon buildup" has me sold

[dynamicck]

What's your point?


AR means ARmalite.

meaning your statement was wrong, but someone already clarified that.

[origin_s135]

FWIW, Colt is considered the standard when it comes to AR-15. That's not to say the other manufacturers are bad, but Colt is the OEM.

If I were to build my weapon I'd use a Colt lower receiver with an H&K 416 upper.

But that's $$$.

My advice, know exactly what you want and why you want it. Aside from the financial aspects, let's not forget that these things are weapons and not toys.

I can't imagine why anyone outside of the military and LE community would need an AR with all those nifty gadgets you plan on putting on.

Not trying to be harsh, just upfront and real.

If you haven't already, check out
http://www.ar15.com (http://www.ar15.com/).

Also, check out your local gun store. Most of those guys can give you better information. Plus, you actually get a feel for these things.

Good Luck!

you know your shit because my buddy in the spec ops recommended the HK 416 when i told him about this thread without even looking at the topic.