Global Warming = HOAX

[RJF]

Noted energy expert and Princeton physicist Dr. Will Happer has sharply criticized global warming alarmism. Happer, author of over 200 scientific papers and a past director of energy research at the Department of Energy, called fears over global warming “mistaken”.

“I have spent a long research career studying physics that is closely related to the greenhouse effect”, said Happer. “Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science.”

Dr. Happer views climate change as a predominately natural process. “The earth’s climate is changing now, as it always has. There is no evidence that the changes differ in any qualitative way from those of the past.”

“Computer models used to generate frightening scenarios from increasing levels of carbon dioxide have scant credibility,” Happer concluded.

[OTG Vinyl]

One person saying something means nothing.

[RJF]

One person saying something means nothing.

Then why does everyone believe Al Gore, just because he did a science-fiction movie?

[shmiddy]

Then why does everyone believe Al Gore, just because he did a science-fiction movie?

i think its more than just Al Gore who belive in global warming...... :aw:

[OTG Vinyl]

Then why does everyone believe Al Gore, just because he did a science-fiction movie?

Because people aren't smart enough to say "no".

[LongGrain]

who would have thought all it would take is 2 sentences from some guy to convince me otherwise. i feel saved.

[98s14inaz]

Noted energy expert and Princeton physicist Dr. Will Happer has sharply criticized global warming alarmism. Happer, author of over 200 scientific papers and a past director of energy research at the Department of Energy, called fears over global warming “mistaken”.

“I have spent a long research career studying physics that is closely related to the greenhouse effect”, said Happer. “Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science.”

Dr. Happer views climate change as a predominately natural process. “The earth’s climate is changing now, as it always has. There is no evidence that the changes differ in any qualitative way from those of the past.”

“Computer models used to generate frightening scenarios from increasing levels of carbon dioxide have scant credibility,” Happer concluded.

All of this stuff is just fear mongering. No one will ever know for sure. I think this is a natural cycle. When the amount of life on the planet reaches a certain level the planet recycles itself...flushing the toilet if you will. All of these so called experts are all saying the exact opposite of each other.

[allntrlundrgrnd]

its hard to see otherwise when its nearly 70 degrees in late december :bite:

[lucky7]

there are TONS of scientists that say its a load of shit. i personally, think that its blown way the fuck out of proportion. i think al gore should be in jail. i also know that the temperature rising on earth is a natural occurance. its happened countless times, even when there were no humans around, burning 93 octane.

but with all this hype about being "green" and shit lately. the thing i enjoy most, are the people putting along in their holy rollers, known as the prius. i absolutely LOVE the fact that the owners of these cars feel they are doing something special. something above and beyond everyone with a 4 wheel drive. :keke:

last time a topic like this came up on here, i had an abundance of neg reps from the tree huggers on the forum. i also had some dude PMing me like crazy, trying to "inform me" on how we are single handedly destroying the earth. and that our childrens childrens will have to move to mars or some shit because we used up all the oil and destroyed everything green. this to me, is no different than the people that show up at my doorstep wearing suits, bibles in hand, and telling me about "the good word." i draw the line. go read your bible, and drive your prius. do it so i dont have to hear it or see it. because frankly, im not interested. but i will have you know, it does not make you any better or worse than the next guy. you can judge me all you like, because my feelings arent hurt. not in the least bit.

its cool how some shit is regulated. like when they made it illegal to dump your Mc donalds wrapper out the window when you were done eating it. i dont have a problem with that kind of stuff. afterall, i dont like looking at plastic bags stuck in trees. i dont like dodging boxes and bags full of shit in the road. i can dig that. but please, i dont need anyone to tell me what type of vehicle i need to be driving. its on its way though. the big 3 "bailout"/bridge loan, just wait. i think the avalanche has begun. it started long ago. when these companies are looking for more money in mid-late 2009, we're gonna see something interesting happen. Barry is gonna want to have UBER liberal control over these companies, in return from giving them money. i have this strange feeling he's gonna be telling them what they can and cannot make. the word "green" will be used entirely too many times. i see these companies being forced into making little shit box cars that get eleventy billion miles per gallon. thats a nice addition, but i dont think its at the top of the list for most people purchasing cars. i feel like these clowns in washington think they know more than the execs [at the big 3] do about building/selling cars. which IMO, is laughable.

i always go off on a tangent when i see threads like this. i get lost in my thoughts. sorry about that. i just hold it in for so long, it makes my eyes almost pop out of my head. now is the part when i start to regret putting my thoughts onto the page. im about to get an abundance of hate. yadda yadda, "if you dont think global warming is a big deal, you're a dumbass." blah blah, yadda yadda. feel free.

[xs240]

Global warming is a big time scam. It's just a way to tax the whole world. Imagine pollution credits, carbon taxes on everything and everybody. Electricity, gas, heating, cars, you name it. It's already happening in the UK.

Plus if carbon is such a bad thing, so many plants/trees/etc... need carbon dioxide to survive and give us oxygen.

The fact that the polar ice cap on mars is melting and the sun is heating up may have something to do with it all more so than the bad bad mister human.

Funny how Governments are in on it, as if they care, they really reaaaaally care.. for the green.. ahem i mean environment.

The governments are making these fake issues to divert attention from real world issues as well. It's just UNBELIEVABLY amazing how brainwashed people actually are about it. It's a global effort that's been gradually enforced, that now there are laws about it. Next step major taxations. You shall see.

There are tons of scientists who would speak out but they are afraid for their reputation as a mass defamation campaign would ensue for anyone who speaks ill of government plans.

Scientists abandon global warming `lie`.

Read the article at

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11383

[ZilviaKid]

doesnt everyone know global warming is a scam already?

[SimpleS14]

its hard to see otherwise when its nearly 70 degrees in late december :bite:


I'm not complaining, it was nice to have 60 degree weather last weekend. :keke:


I believe in global warming, but not on these epic and disastrous levels people paint it to be. I just believe its a natural and cyclical process that we will never fully endure through the span of our lifetime.

[murda-c]

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/584/584119/cobra_commander_1107232473.jpg

[lucky7]

doesnt everyone know global warming is a scam already?

no. i think the vast majority of people believe what the people on TV say. they believe what people in hollywood say. they are influenced like little kids in highschool are.

it is infact, natural progression. if you read teh definition of an ice age, which is ended by the earth's temperatures rising because of increased C02 levels. you will see that some people consider the world to be in a "mini ice age" right now. do i agree with them?? moreso than someone like al gore, whom i feel is just out there to make money. but stil not enough to think that this is an ice age. although i was curious one day. there are many scientific people out there that consider this an ice age of sort.

[xs240]

I think I should have quoted the article I posted about 650 scientists who were objectioning the whole concept through the UN:


Scientists abandon global warming 'lie'
650 to dissent at U.N. climate change conference

WASHINGTON - A United Nations climate change conference in Poland is about to get a surprise from 650 leading scientists who scoff at doomsday reports of man-made global warming - labeling them variously a lie, a hoax and part of a new religion.


Later today, their voices will be heard in a U.S. Senate minority report quoting the scientists, many of whom are current and former members of the U.N.'s own Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

About 250 of the scientists quoted in the report have joined the dissenting scientists in the last year alone.

In fact, the total number of scientists represented in the report is 12 times the number of U.N. scientists who authored the official IPCC 2007 report.

Here are some choice excerpts from the report:

* "I am a skeptic ... . Global warming has become a new religion." -- Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.
* "Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly ... . As a scientist I remain skeptical." -- Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called "among the most pre-eminent scientists of the last 100 years."
* Warming fears are the "worst scientific scandal in the history ... . When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists." -- U.N. IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning Ph.D. environmental physical chemist.
* "The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn't listen to others. It doesn't have open minds ... . I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists." -- Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the U.N.-supported International Year of the Planet.
* "The models and forecasts of the U.N. IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity." -- Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico.
* "It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don't buy into anthropogenic global warming." -- U.S. Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
* "Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapor and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will." -- Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, New Zealand.
* "After reading [U.N. IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet." -- Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an associate editor of Monthly Weather Review.
* "For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" -- Geologist Dr. David Gee, the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer-reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.
* "Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp ... . Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact." -- Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch U.N. IPCC committee.
* "Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined." -- Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh, Pa.
* "Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense ... . The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning." -- Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
* "CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another ... . Every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so ... . Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver's seat and developing nations walking barefoot." -- Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
* "The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds." -- Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.
The report also includes new peer-reviewed scientific studies and analyses refuting man-made warming fears and a climate developments that contradict the theory.
It is 4 degrees Celsius (39 Fahrenheit

[raz0rbladez909]

but but but..... the polar bears, and the ice caps:bowrofl: i saw this

commercial the other day for WWF (not wrestling the wild life thingy) and i

just love how everything turns into give us money and you can help us fix it,

by making you feel sorry for the polar bears. Fuck those people, everyone

uses peoples sympathy to make a buck, just like that commerical with that

old dude always saying for 25 cents a day you can make (insert little kids

name) life better and they will be successful and all that jazz. Fuck the

bullshit, I don't believe it is like they try to make it out to be omg if you use

plastic bags at the grocery store or shit like that, pollution was like 10 times

worse in the 50's but all of a sudden now were causing global warming,

cycles change, it is the coldest its been in a while in so cal so this must be

global cooling omg run for your livessssss and i'm spent.....

[xblack240x]

Ahaha as long as I can continue to enjoy working on and driving my 240, smoke my trees and get old. Fuck global warming. Just me. Oh that and I completely agree with lucky7 and xs240.

[raz0rbladez909]

http://www.cyber-cinema.com/original/IceAge2AdvC.jpgyessssss i can't wait for the next one

[xs240]

lol i wana see that, it looks cute. I loved the first two.

[duffman1278]

This article is great. I had a bio professor who always used to tell us that global warming is "bullshit!" and yes he would yell lol. This would just make him happy. Much of the class was spent on how Al Gore is wrong and that global warming is bs.

[raz0rbladez909]

http://www.malagent.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/gore-presentaion01.jpg
hahaha

[mrmephistopheles]

The fact that the polar ice cap on mars is melting and the sun is heating up may have something to do with it all more so than the bad bad mister human.[/URL]

Must be all those space missions we do! Now we're contributing to solar system warming!!! :ddog:

This article is great. I had a bio professor who always used to tell us that global warming is "bullshit!" and yes he would yell lol. This would just make him happy. Much of the class was spent on how Al Gore is wrong and that global warming is bs.

He'd like Penn & Teller, I reckon.

[mRclARK1]

One person saying something means nothing.

He's just one of many. You just typically don't hear about them. Almost no one knows that several highly credentialed scientists made a counter-movie to Al Gore's silly waste of 120ish minutes of your life... Guess how much publicity or media attention it received?

We were forced (in 2 classes, one not even a science class) to watch Al Gore's movie on my university campus. Basically they aimed for EVERYONE on the campus to see it. More than once was better than never was the idea behind the scheduling. I asked one of my profs if we'd watch the other movie, the one actually produced and narrated by scientists that proposed global warming was not true or being very blown out of proportion. The answer I received?

"No"

Then why does everyone believe Al Gore, just because he did a science-fiction movie?

Because Al Gore is a celebrity, and we know they're always right. :keke:

i think its more than just Al Gore who belive in global warming...... :aw:

You'll find that 9/10 of people who do believe in global warming have never even looked at, or considered the possibility of, evidence to the contrary. In other words, they're not even willing to consider they may be wrong. The entire scientific community is in a very unscientific position at that point.

If you're in the university and acedemic community at all, they're are two things to do that will nearly certainly get you fired or completely shunned... Dispute global warming, or mention any form of intelligent design premise rather than evolution. Doesn't matter if you have evidence or research or are just entertaining a hypothesis... If you're in the wrong place and you get caught, you're in trouble.

http://www.malagent.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/gore-presentaion01.jpg
hahaha

That about sums it up.

Did you know only a few decades ago the scientific community was warning us about a major impending global disaster, something we had to stop... Our survival was at stake... I give you... Global COOLING!!!! The first paragraph in that article is the most important, about how the media blew it out of proportion and based reports that were generally accepted as facts on flawed and unsupported science. Sounds familiar right? haha

Global cooling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling)

[HalveBlue]

It's hard for most humans to submit tot he belief that there are things greater than themselves.

People don't want to believe that there are things that are completely out of their control. Like global warming, which has occurred since the dawn of time.

Or like a giant meteor slamming into the Earth destroying every living thing on this planet. That's only happened at least half a dozen times in Earth's history.

Humans are by their very nature control freaks and ego maniacs.

It's hard for them to admit that a natural process could make this planet uninhabitable for them.

So when the snake oil sales man comes by promising the to sell them the "cure", everyone comes pouring fourth, money in hand.

You're going to end up paying for this scam, whether you like it or not.

[rokmplutonium]

I didn't believe in the Y2K crash, and I don't believe in global warming.
[Explicit language]
YouTube - George Carlin on Global Warming (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljNDbKpusT0)

[shmiddy]

I didn't believe in the Y2K crash, and I don't believe in global warming.
[Explicit language]
YouTube - George Carlin on Global Warming (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljNDbKpusT0)

carlin is the fuckin man!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Future240]

Then why does everyone believe Al Gore, just because he did a science-fiction movie?
Duh, cuz he invented the internetz:tardrim:

[Fries]

In the 90s we were pushed to enforce new laws to protect against global warming; the warming of the earth due to green house gases.
Very quickly it was shown that the rising temperature had nothing to do with what we were doing to the atmosphere.

They now define Global Warming as any change in climate, whether it be hot-cold wet-dry.
ANY CHANGE IN WEATHER/CLIMATE
If you're still such a tool as to not see this is an obvious scam by the gov't, please continue your ways, buy a Yaris and call it good.







Or jump off a building. Preferably the latter of the two ideas.

[S14DB]

Then why does everyone believe Al Gore, just because he did a science-fiction movie?

LOL, Al Gore Fired him from the DOE in 1993 for the same thing.

DailyTech - Princeton Physicist Calls Global Warming Science "Mistaken" (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13773)


I don't think we have enough data to say one way or another. We have only had accurate temperature data for about 100 years. We need to spend a lot more time and money gathering data to test these theory's. Not this gross speculation that everyone is doing.

[aznpoopy]

+1

i also don't believe we know enough about climate system to declare 100% whether it is or is not happening.

however, do we really need to be in a state of imminent ecological collapse to switch to cleaner / more efficient / non-foreign based energy sources? these things are good for other reasons.

[xs240]

In the 90s we were pushed to enforce new laws to protect against global warming; the warming of the earth due to green house gases.
Very quickly it was shown that the rising temperature had nothing to do with what we were doing to the atmosphere.

They now define Global Warming as any change in climate, whether it be hot-cold wet-dry.
ANY CHANGE IN WEATHER/CLIMATE
If you're still such a tool as to not see this is an obvious scam by the gov't, please continue your ways, buy a Yaris and call it good.







Or jump off a building. Preferably the latter of the two ideas.
LOL well said. And lol at space travel comment. I guess starship enterprise must pay carbon taxes for polluting space too, no warp drive for us oops.

[Matej]

Global warming needs to hurry up. I don't like this cold.

[SR240DET]

http://www.iceagenow.com/I_Love_CO2.jpg

CARBON IS THE WORLD'S BEST FRIEND
DR DAVID BELLAMY & JACK BARRETT: If we took all of the carbon dioxide out of
the atmosphere, the temperature might fall by about 0.3% but we wouldn’t be here
to worry because there would be no green plants to feed us.
Carbon produced by dying stars is one of the major elements in the interstellar void,
the temperature of which is zero, degrees absolute, which is so cold that chemical
reactions slow to a standstill. Around 5 billion years ago some got caught up in the
formation of this the lonely planet, warmed by its place in the solar system to a
temperature that has to date nurtured an ever more complex panoply of living
things.
History has it that an apple fell on Isaac Newton’s head allowing him to realise why,
“what goes up must come down” and go on to formulate the basic laws of physics.
Revisiting those laws in the infrared glow of the global warming debate forces the
realisation that when it comes to radiant heat, “what comes down must go up” for if
it didn’t the Earth would overheat.
Some 50 years after the end of the little ice age, in a time we now call the pre-
industrial age, the world appeared to be well content with an atmosphere containing
285 ppmv of CO2 and the average amount of water vapour.
Since 1992 we have had a special Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
warning the world that we are heading for real trouble if the concentration of carbon
dioxide, one of the 5 so called greenhouse gases in the atmosphere doubles its preindustrial
value.
Here are ten, let us call them Newton’s Apples that sow real seeds of doubt about
the application of the science behind the IPCC’s conclusions.
(1) Measurements prove that the pre-industrial damp blanket trapped 94.7% of all
the infrared radiation as it escaped into space leaving a mere 5.3% to warm the
great interstellar sink directly. All this thanks to the fact that the spectral escape
window was partially blocked by what we now call the greenhouse gases that kept
the Earth warm.
(2) If we took no notice of the IPCC’s health warnings and burned all the known
reserves of natural gas, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would
rise to 454 ppmv.
(3) Now throw caution to the wind and burn all the oil reserves we know about and
the CO2 concentration would go up to 489 ppmv. Still nowhere near the dreaded
doubling figure of those “halcyon” pre industrial days.
(4) So lets pull out all the stops and burn at least one third of coal reserves in all its
forms. With an awful lot of mining we would make the now much-feared figure of
570 ppmv. A point, at which IPCC’s super computer models warn that the sky might
soon come falling down.
Some 600 million tonnes of extra potential plant fertilizer and about 1 billion tonnes
of extra irrigation water hanging about up there, continuing to help balance the
biosphere while increasing the atmospheric pressure by a mere 0.3 millibars.
The atmospheric blanket now traps 95.6% of the infrared radiation (a mere increase
of 0.9% over those pre-industrial days) and the potential absorption by the
combination of water vapour and CO2 is almost complete thanks to the logarithmic
relationship between concentration and radiance/absorption.
(5) Simple arithmetic also proves that at this moment of time in the IPCC’s
countdown to catastrophe the annual increase of CO2 pouring into the atmosphere is
a mere 3% of the natural turn over of this very important gas in the atmosphere.
Thus leaving little doubt that there is massive buffering capacity in the system.
(6) Simple mathematics proves that all the much “feared” doubling of the
concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere actually accomplishes is a slight narrowing
of the infrared ‘window’ through which radiation escapes to space.
(7) Checking the spectra also shows there is a window in that infrared escape route
that can never be closed because there are no natural gases with the right spectral
bands. If there were the temperature might then go up by around 5 degrees Celsius.
(8) Measurements also show that the infrared absorption spectra of all the
greenhouse gases overlap to a certain extent, in consequence their cumulative effect
can never be realized. A cumulative effect that is already nearing saturation when no
further heat will be trapped, thanks to the fact that the relationship between the
concentration of any of the green house gases and radiance/absorption is
logarithmic.
(9) Despite all this incontrovertible evidence that the increase of the concentration
of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a benign and almost spent force, the global
warmers beg to differ. Their conclusions drawn from a plethora of complex computer
models leads them to warn the World that an increase in trapped radiation of only
0.9% might trigger a catastrophic course of events. A chain reaction that could be
responsible for a runaway enhancement of global warming that could pose a threat
too much more than our way of life. To give their argument teeth they appear to put
all their eggs into the basket of what they call radiative forcing, building into their
models only positive feedbacks related to water vapour that trap more heat.
(10) Newton’s Law of cooling perhaps drops the largest apple on the head of both
the IPCC and the Kyoto Protocol arguments of a melt down scenario. In the simplest
of terms it proves that if the non-radiative properties of water, (evaporation, albedo,
mass transfer etc.,) were not already at work at the earth/ atmosphere interface the
Earth’s surface would be some 13°C warmer. So again there is a lot of negative
feedback in the system.
The global warmers can hypothesise as much as they like about the cause and effect
of trapping the last few percent of the available infrared radiance by the greenhouse
gasses but without admitting that there is another source of heat at play in the
system their scare mongering is no more than hot air.
Perhaps they should now turn their giant computers over to finding out from whence
does the extra infrared radiation, that could tip the balance towards catastrophe
come.
Take heart Earth’s climate has remained within the limits tolerated by life, for several
billion years. During this time the planet has experienced unimaginable volcanic
events which liberated huge amounts of CO2, we have collided with extraterrestrial
objects which triggered either increase or decrease of temperature and even the
energy flow from the sun has altered over such a span of geological time.
And yet here we are! Life remains. The global temperature is well within life’s limits -
indeed the present-day is cooler than much of previous geological time. There is one
circumstantial conclusion and one only. Earth’s climate, self-regulates with or without
us.
Take heart all those super climate modellers there is still a lot of work for your giant
computers to get stuck into. Take a few gigabytes out of Newton’s Apples and get
cracking solving the real problems that face over 6.4 billion human beings as they
move into an uncertain energy hungry future.
Please remember that the main reasons for soil erosion, salination, floods, droughts,
famines, the collapse of coral reefs and the extinction of species are habitat
destruction, overgrazing and over-fishing not a 0.9 % rise in trapped radiance.
Using your computers you can help orchestrate the processes by which a mixture of
science based civil, social and ecological engineering can ameliorate the effects of
the worst or seize the opportunities of the best of natural climate change. That was
the conclusion of G8 2005 at the Gleneagles Golf Course, itself a hot spot of local
biodiversity where an eagle from George Bush was shown to be worth a lot more
than a dead birdie from the IPCC.
Carbon dioxide is not the dreaded greenhouse gas that the global warmers crack it
up to be. It is in fact the most important airborne fertiliser in the world and without it
there would be no green plants at all. In fact a doubling of the levels of this gas in
the atmosphere would bring about a marked rise in plant production, good news for
everyone especially those malnourished millions who cant afford chemical fertilisers
or the spray booms to spread them.
Plants are very clever things for their response to an increase in carbon dioxide in
the air, is to use it wisely producing more roots than shoots to tap more mineral
resources from the soil. Good news, with the added bargain of burying lots more
organic humus in the soil. Just what soils need especially when they are over
exploited and beginning to erode?
Hooray for global warming! How can we say that? Well a lot of very qualified people
have been saying just that for a long time. Sadly it is not in the interest of the Kyoto
Protocoler’s to agree for the truth would prove just how ill conceived is their scheme
to” save the world”. From what one must ask?
The real truth of the matter is that the main greenhouse gas in our atmosphere is
water vapour. Any one who steps out of their air conditioned car will know that on a
dry clear night the temperature drops rapidly, if there is water vapour (clouds)
about, the wet atmospheric blanket does its best to keep the planet warm.
If we took all of the water vapour out of the atmosphere the temperature of our
atmospheric greenhouse would plummet by about 33 degrees Celsius. If we took all
of the carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere, the temperature might fall by about
0.3% but we wouldn’t be here to worry because there would be no green plants to
feed us.
Please talk to your plants and as you do rest assured that they in effect say thank
you by recycling your waste carbon dioxide to make sugar and oxygen. As they did
when the dying star of the silver screen gave her all back to the plants that put the
perfume into Chanel Number 5

[BustedS13]

those darn liberals!

[RJF]

those darn liberals!

You said it, not me, except I'd change some letters in your middle word.

[Matej]

Barn liberals?

[lucky7]

change, not rearrange, noob. :bigok:

[Future240]

change, not rearrange, noob. :bigok:

Barn is changing since darn doesnt contain a B:duh:

[BustedS13]

change, not rearrange, noob. :bigok:

nard liberals?

[cwallace12]

It truly is sad how the sheeple of this world flock to bullshit like this. Send 1 penny a month to africa and feed 20 bloated kids, Dont throw garbage out your window so we dont have to stereo type indians nemore, ride to work with the assbags in your office, save the fucking whales for bobs sake. It is all just a huge farce to keep you occupied while the government fills your vaccinations with mercury, kills your citizens on tv, and fights wars that have no end but make someones pockets happier than yours. World sucks in alot of other ways than getting a tan in january, thats the least of our problems.

[napaKAliboog]

I've said it before in an old thread, and ill say it again. Ahaha you gotta understand that these scientist are fucking smart... Not only do they know how to make a point, they know how to rake money in. If you guys are smart, they've actually opened a door for a bunch of people "middle class and +" to be filthy rich. Filthy rich off of somthing that would also benefit. For example, They're not lying about all the energy companies being the ones fucking up the atmosphere the most, So why not scare the shit out of people (or go international) by throwing in what it takes including some facts to also create another government money flow to all the energy companies converting to nuclear plants. And how do us poor, middle class (or who ever has enough) benefit off of this? Investing in the companies stocks before they boom fucking sky high sense the government HAS to make these companies convert to nuclear plants...This is only one example...

[whatda]

all i have to say is wow

[Koopa Troopa]

its hard to see otherwise when its nearly 70 degrees in late december :bite:


It's called a global climate shift, there's only been like 200 or so of them and the Earth has been having them since it began. Hello and welcome to, "How the World Turns" :l101:

[enkei2k]

the real reason behind global warming is because of the sun and gravity. we're slowly moving closer to the sun each day and eventually within the next 10000000000 or so whatever years, the earth is gonna smash into the sun and we're all doooooooooomed~! yeah, that's what i think. scary? meh. cool? oh hellz yeah

[lolatclint]

were all gonna die

[sillyvia13]

Well, I am sure we as people will hear alot of new stories to lies we been feed.

Click the link in sig. gerald

[ericcastro]

Wow,

Its amazing how many of you dont believe global warming is happening.
Or don't wanna believe.
You would then have a reponsability and need to change the way we live.

I just came back from Alaska. i talked to indigenous people. the shits happening.
I also grew up in WA state. And when we are setting record breaking weather every other season,......oh yeah, its just an indian summer, thats right.

You see pictures of China??, shit, LA? you think that shit in the air isnt making a difference?
How bout you people in SoCal, you ever go anywere without pollution?, like outside of SoCal? you can see mountain ranges.


Anyways, It doesn't matter. The human race is not advanced enough to work as a community for a future that doesn't affect us directly. We always have to have things proven to us. so soon we in the united states will be wearing mask because of pollution, just like other parts of the world. And a couple generations from now, we will die off if we havent killed ourselves already.


OH, BTW. when was the last time you went to the shop and the mechanic told you there was a problem and didn't show you?? Same with companies showing you the problem to get money.
They don't say, theres some starving kids in Africa, can we get some money. You wouldnt do shit.
But If they show you some examples of the issues, then you can pass your own judgement on them. And living in America, our judgement is sympathy. Other fucked up countries may not feel sympathy ya know.
We have it good here. I give alot of money to charities, give my used clothes and nike dunks to charity to send overseas, and even built houses in the ghettos of mexico.



Try and think globaly for the betterment of mankind, and stop trying not to feel guilty through denial and passing the buck.
my:2c:

[Koopa Troopa]

Wow,

Its amazing how many of you dont believe global warming is happening.
Or don't wanna believe.
You would then have a reponsability and need to change the way we live.

I just came back from Alaska. i talked to indigenous people. the shits happening.
I also grew up in WA state. And when we are setting record breaking weather every other season,......oh yeah, its just an indian summer, thats right.

You see pictures of China??, shit, LA? you think that shit in the air isnt making a difference?
How bout you people in SoCal, you ever go anywere without pollution?, like outside of SoCal? you can see mountain ranges.


Anyways, It doesn't matter. The human race is not advanced enough to work as a community for a future that doesn't affect us directly. We always have to have things proven to us. so soon we in the united states will be wearing mask because of pollution, just like other parts of the world. And a couple generations from now, we will die off if we havent killed ourselves already.

Go read a book. You're just repeating shit you've heard on the liberal hippie douche channel.

We're not debating weither or not acid rain is a side effect of pollution or weither or not the global climate is changing. We're debating weither or not global warming is a side effect caused by an increase in carbon dioxide and well, it isn't.

By the way, can you even name which countries in the world have to wear a mask cause their cities are too polluted?

[sillyvia13]

i'm meltingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

[Antihero983]

Yeah global warming....hence why is been so fucking cold this winter....

It's a heap of shit. OHS NOES SHIT'S WARMING UP!

Hey did anyone happen to remember the sun is expanding? It is a star after all, and they do expand until they supernova. So as the sun get bigger, SHIT IS GONNA GET WARMER.

I blame Prius owners.

[ericcastro]

Go read a book. You're just repeating shit you've heard on the liberal hippie douche channel.

We're not debating weither or not acid rain is a side effect of pollution or weither or not the global climate is changing. We're debating weither or not global warming is a side effect caused by an increase in carbon dioxide and well, it isn't.

By the way, can you even name which countries in the world have to wear a mask cause their cities are too polluted?

Ahh, no.

I did just come back from Alaska and all the other shit I stated.
And I read just about daily.
Most all of my information on the subject comes from books, discovery channel and national geographic. lol

Maybe you need to read a book?? LMAO!

I dont get how reading a book would make my personal experience, opinons and view I have put together myself different??
It would give me more knowledge, yes, but my experience and opinions are based off personal life experience.

whatever, global warming's not happening, LMAO!

You all realize global warming doesn't just include the air. It also includes the Ocean and rivers that are effected by atmosphere changes as well as cooling stations and pollution.

but anyways, that one guy in billions had an internet article how its a hoax..........

crack pots like that remind me of the crackpots claiming 9-11 as a HOAX.


Yeah global warming....hence why is been so fucking cold this winter....

I blame Prius owners.

It doesnt mean its always gonna be warmer. We are changing the planets ecosystem, so the weather is gonna start to get more extreme in both directions.

Now this is "liberal" shit I heard.
But people say the battery of the prius is worse for the environment because it is a huge brick that cant be recycled and will sit in a landfill for ever.
But that is just what I heard??

thats why i think they need to make cars that run on grey water. that way eleviating tons of water that doesnt need to take enrgy to be treated. the car will turn it back into pure water and send it back into the environment. plus it would be free. you could have your shower water and water from dishes stored in a unit on the side of your house and you just fill your car up for free :)

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

need more proof that global warming exists? Just feel the moisture on my balls in the summer, you'll be surprised.

At least Al Gore has the whole "I invented the internet" thing going for him.

[ericcastro]

Nevermind, you guys are arguing something a guy that really has no experince in said.

"Dr. William Happer is a specialist in laser spectroscopy, optical pumping, radio frequency spectroscopy, and magnetic resonance. He is a professor in the Department of Physics at Princeton University and a prominent technical consultant to industry and government. Dr. Happer is a member of JASON, a group of nationally known scientists who advise government agencies on defense, energy, and other technical issues. From 1987 to 1990, he served as chairman of JASON. He has been a member since 1976.
In July 1991, he became the director of the Office of Energy, U.S. Department of Energy in the Bush Administration, a position he retained until May 1993.
He has been a member of many scientific committees, including the Air Force Scientific Advisory Board and the Scientific Advisory Committee of the Strategic Defense Initiative. In 1985, he chaired a review panel of the National Academy of Sciences for the DOE's Inertial Confinement Fusion Program.
From 1976 to 1979 he served as director of the Columbia Radiation Laboratory, and co-director from 1971 to 1976. Dr. Happer spent the spring of 1976 at the Max Planck Institute for Laser Research at Garching, West Germany, with the support of an Alexander von Humboldt Award.
In 1964, he went to Columbia University as a research associate in its Radiation Laboratory. While at Columbia, he held the positions of instructor, assistant professor, and professor in the Department of Physics.
He has maintained an interest in applied physics and the impact of science and technology on public policy. He has served as a consultant to numerous firms and government agencies, including Singer-Kearfott, Litton Industries, Bendix, RCA, the Applied Physics Laboratory of the Johns Hopkins University, National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the Naval Air Development Center, the Army, Navy, and Air Force, and the Department of Energy.
Dr. Happer has published more than 100 scientific papers in The Physical Review, The Physical Review Letters, The Reviews of Modern Physics, and other scientific journals and encyclopedias.
In 1964, Dr. Happer received a doctorate degree in physics from Princeton. During his graduate education at Princeton, he had a National Science Foundation Fellowship, a Woodrow Wilson Fellowship, and a Queen Fellowship.
In 1960, he received a bachelor of science degree in physics from the University of North Carolina (UNC). While at UNC, he held a Morehead Scholarship and a National Merit Scholarship.
In November 1987, Dr. William Happer joined MITRE's Board of Trustees and served until July 1991, when he resigned to become director of the Office of Energy, U.S. Department of Energy in the Bush Administration. He rejoined MITRE's board the following August."


Oh yeah, he was on the Bush administration, make sense??


and the stuff posted earlier is actually his own quote!!!!!!
He has no experience or research in the field of global warming.
Driving a car would give you about the same experience this guy has.


“I have spent a long research career studying physics that is closely related to the greenhouse effect”, said Happer. “Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science.”


“The earth’s climate is changing now, as it always has. There is no evidence that the changes differ in any qualitative way from those of the past.”


“Computer models used to generate frightening scenarios from increasing levels of carbon dioxide have scant credibility,”

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2008/12/29/former-gore-advisor-says-man-made-global-warming-fears-mistaken/





So some crackpot with a specialty in Lasers decides to throw his 2 cents in and you guys are all on board huh??
Be nice if he had any experience in the subject.

[xs240]

Your emotional ranter can be respoonded in one nice car-analogical way.

You have a car.

You drive the car.

The car breaks down.

Now did the car break down because:
a. you were driving it hard (human cause)
b. it was built crap
c. it had long milage.

Your argument would be a. all the time.

I dont know...

[HalveBlue]

That's not really accurate, Eric.

Although there are certainly a lot of people out there that deny the global warming (global climate change) is occurring, a lot of critics of the global warming theory are arguing a more nuanced position.

That is to say, the issue isn't whether or not global warming is occurring. It is.

Rather, the issue is whether or not humans are contributing towards this effect. And if so, how much?

The fact is that the Earth's climate has changed many, many times in throughout history, even before humans existed.

I, for one, am skeptical.

I remember when I was in elementary school the big thing was the Ozone hole.

You couldn't go a week without hearing about it.

And the fear mongering was just as bad. People were yelling left and right that the Earth and everything roaming around on it would be fried by the Sun's rays.

And then, it just sort of dropped off the radar screen.

I guess what I'm really concerned with is the bigger picture.

I mean, all those global warming laws are going to hit our pocket books in the West. That I can live with.

But in the Developing and Third World, those laws could have some serious consequences for the people living there.

Like in the 60's when Rachel Carson published Silent Spring.

Everybody was up in arms about the effects DDT was having on the reproduction of birds.

What is almost forgotten now is that DDT is the most effective chemical for controlling malaria, a disease that kills millions of people around the world, even to this day.

I guess what I'm getting at is that I'd rather not get sucked into these knee jerk reactions without people fully realizing the effects that some of these laws can have.

[jskateborders]

its hard to see otherwise when its nearly 70 degrees in late december :bite:
HAHAHA. Seriously dude, like 4 years ago we had that really friggin cold winter where normally non snow seeing locations were getting snow, and that was because of global warming. Then we have a not so cold winter and thats global warming too??? I dont need a degree in science to tell you that that is a load of
:bs:.
And oh no, oil is bad for the environment... where the fuck do we get oil??? And hairspray burns a hole through the ozone layer, while the sun on its own cannot, right?

[ericcastro]

HAHAHA. Seriously dude, like 4 years ago we had that really friggin cold winter where normally non snow seeing locations were getting snow, and that was because of global warming. Then we have a not so cold winter and thats global warming too?
Its that unstableness that is the global warming. As the earths environment changes faster than it can evolve, It creates extremes in both direction. It becomes more and more unstable for habitat that has taken ten of thousands of years to develope a cycle of life.

Thats a big part of the problem, Habitat, (animals, plants, sealife and microscopic), can't adjust as fast as the changes that we have thrust the environment into with the results of our pollution.
.
And oh no, oil is bad for the environment... where the fuck do we get oil??? And hairspray burns a hole through the ozone layer, while the sun on its own cannot, right?
Its what we do with the oil when we burn it and process it into what we know as "oil".
Ah,....really????????
The sun can't.
Its the manmaid chemicals in hairspray that cause the hole.
lol,
really??

Someone told me I need to read earlier, but im gonna pass that on to you :kiss:



But in the Developing and Third World, those laws could have some serious consequences for the people living there.

Like in the 60's when Rachel Carson published Silent Spring.

Everybody was up in arms about the effects DDT was having on the reproduction of birds.

What is almost forgotten now is that DDT is the most effective chemical for controlling malaria, a disease that kills millions of people around the world, even to this day.
.
Or we could use some of the money they dont get paid for our good and give them living conditions that dont have stagnant and squalid water.
And for those that wanna live where malaria is prominant......, what do you expect??
its like the people here in SoCal that build these rediculous houses on the very edge of the hillside of a area that has mudslides at least every 10 years, and cry when that shit slides away.
or the people here that build there houses in a complete firestorm path.
WTF are they thinking.

i just think there are otherways around problems like Malaria than spraying a chemical everywere, taking out a bird population and throwing the local/or world habitat and ecosystem into a complete downward spiral.
(i say world because birds migrate and affect much larger areas then just one spot.)

They could always find a cure?
If Magic could beat AID's, they actually could get a cure to Malaria and alot of other diseases.
I just think America really misuses money.

But the human consciense isnt ready to think worldly and for the prosperity of our races future.
Oh well.

[jskateborders]

It's called a global climate shift, there's only been like 200 or so of them and the Earth has been having them since it began. Hello and welcome to, "How the World Turns" :l101:
But wait, filthy humans are the cause for global climate shift 201:hyper:.

[ericcastro]

But wait, filthy humans are the cause for global climate shift 201:hyper:.
I don't think you guys understand that no one is arguing that the world doesn't slowly change back and forth.

its the speed we just threw it into that has everything haywire and not being able to survive.

easy example we all understand. Polar Bears and thier habitat our slowly declining. Slowly for a lifetime at least. They have been around for thousands of years doing the same shit. And suddenly in a few decades their numbers start to rapitly decline??

i don't know what everyones problem with realizing there is a issue is???
its not like anyone is pointing the finger at you. The problem with global warming has been on a ever steepening upward arc since before the 50's.
Humans have been burning coal and other fossil fuels in factories and cities for a long time.

We just need to realize this and start to adjust our society to make a change to stop the ongoing issues.

I would suggest you look outside the US for your media. BBC is great. National Geographic works closely with people in the scientific community.
Discovery channel is pretty watered down, but still easily accesable.

[sillyvia13]

I would suggest you look outside the US for your media.
I would suggest you look outside the US for your media.

i agree.

[napaKAliboog]

I just think America really misuses money.

But the human consciense isnt ready to think worldly and for the prosperity of our races future.
Oh well.

This is where i disagree. I do hate the way the "elites" plan to group the world into a type 1 civilization but other than that there's a lot of brilliant advancments going on that wears ninja suites of money.

Who are you to say what, whatnot, and when our consciousness needs to be ready to think?

[xs240]

I would suggest you look outside the US for your media.
I would suggest you look outside the US for your media.

i agree.
That's full of win. US media is like the PR for the government.

[ericcastro]

.

Who are you to say what, whatnot, and when our consciousness needs to be ready to think?
I actually watched a really good discovery channel show on this last year.
Yes, Discovery Channel again. Im like thier spokesman here, lol.

Anyways. It was discussing how the human brain has developed with each stage of evolution.
The early humans Didnt understand alot and their minds didnt let them work together.
As things moved ahead, and the next human took over, the brain also grew and advanced to the point of being able to work in small teams and hunting and gathering.
Then as the next evolution beings took over. They became able to live in caves together as a community and learn to hunt for the small community.
The brain keeps evolving along with physical evolution.

We are at the point of being able to work decently in a large community. But our conscienseness isn't to the point of working as a community. the show was saying that the next step in the evolution chain would take us even further. But thats only if we can survive and not self implode on ourselves through war, pollution, or overpoulation.

whats next?,.......http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums/images/smilies/emote_alien.gif

This is OT of the thread. But I am just answering and clarifying something I stated earlier.
And figured some of you might find this interesting too.

[VROOOM]

We're all gonna die from our own arrogance.

[nameless]

Global Warming is a device to initiate carbon tax laws.
http://whitehouser.com/img/manbearpig.jpg

[S13_Nightkid]

lol on who? Everyone in the world? We exhale CO2. Im open to either side. There is a climate shift going on right now and no one can deny that but the causes?Global Warming? Natural occurence? No one can tell now. Maybe 50 years from now when the "greenhouse effect" is supposed to take place.

[napaKAliboog]

Ok i see what you're saying... I actually know of this evolution i wouldn't call it a great leap. What made us really evolve is when humans realized that FARMING was a far better solution! It's what separates us from other animals of the earth. Now you think about how the hell did we gain knowledge to farm all of a sudden? That’s where you think out of the box of boxes because the sphinx turns out to be one of the oldest things on earth(just look at the head it's obvious it's been re-carved and also look at the erosion marks)...and i don't get my info from discovery channel, I know a couple geologist, archeologist, etc. It's what i get for being a ghetto half black kid in the M.E.S.A club ahahah