best boost controller sr20 w/ T28

[Volchok]

Hey everyone, I am just looking for some experienced members opinions on the best boost controller for the sr20 with a T28. I am installing a new T28, 850 cc injectors, z32 maf, greddy intake and an enthalpy tuned ECU. Currently my t25 has an adjustable actuator so I have yet to purchase a boost controller. I am having a hard time deciding on which one to get.

Blitz:
SBC i-Color Spec R (http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/sbcicolorspecr.html)
obviously the highest priced one so I am trying justify the expense.
SBC i-Color Spec S (http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/sbcicolor.html)
seems like the best choice and I like the ability to add performance monitors i.e A/F and temp/pressure.

SBC i-D III Spec R & (http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/sbcid.html)SBC i-D III Spec S (http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/sbcid.html)
better price but am I sacrificing anything?

HKS EVC IV & APEX'i Super AVCR
look good but for the same price the Blitz seems to offer more.

I really only want opionos of those who have used any of the above or have first ahnd knowledge of their boost controller of preference.

Thanks in advance to the wonderfuly helpful zilvia community.

[Om1kron]

the spec s is the only one in the ballpark of the evc, which I would take over the blitz.

[Flicktitty]

i like the Blitz SBC-ID personally.

My bud had it on his supra, it was some big money but well worth it.

can't go wrong with HKS or Greddy stuff.

[Volchok]

the spec s is the only one in the ballpark of the evc, which I would take over the blitz.

so what makes the HKS EVC a better choice? and which spec S, the I-Color (my favorite so far)?

[S14DB]

APEX'i Super AVCR

Only one that self tunes. Over time it will get smoother on the WG operation.

[95KA-Turbo]

Why not get another adjustable actuator or a manual boost controller?

Everyone I know who's run an electric one has had issues with it at some point.


Not to mention, why spend extra money when it is not necessary.

[bardabe]

Why not get another adjustable actuator or a manual boost controller?

Everyone I know who's run an electric one has had issues with it at some point.


Not to mention, why spend extra money when it is not necessary.

becuse they don't know how to adjust it, set it up and tune it.

I have a Greddy Profec B Spec II and the thing is beautiful boost comes on nice and fast, no spike, smooth curb I personally would want a Blitz but i didn't; have money at the time for the SBC ID Spec R

[BustedS13]

http://www.geocities.com/chmwatson/FAQs/mbc/images/allparts.jpg

[Volchok]

^^^ your manual verison? LOL

no benefits from and of the data available from an electric, such as peak boost and having multiple settings?

my car is strictly a drift car and I will be mostly using it for competition. The availability of multiple boost selections at the flick of a switch negate a manual boost option.

so in that case back to the best ELECTRIC boost controllers...

what makes the APEX best in your opinion, self learning? because the SBCi-Color Spec S also is self learning

[S14DB]

AVCR is the only one that really learns the WG's response. All others seem to just hunt.

"* Automatic correction of boost pressure (Initial learning):

It will automatically correct to the desired boost pressure that has been configured. A C mark will change color from RED to WHITE when the correction cycle (DUTY value) reaches the desired value. While the C mark is lighted, the SCRAMBLE MODE or the SPEED MAP MODE will not take effect on the used channel. However, the boost control will take effect even if the C mark does not change to WHITE color. This time, to perform the initial learning smoother, the normal, mild and slow function has been added. The Automatic correction of boost pressure is not applicable on manual mode."

I dunno if that's just an auto setup or a real learning. AVCR is always going.
SBC i-Color : Blitz, Power Site (http://www.blitz-performance.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=8)
A'PEXi U.S.A. - Products: Electronics (http://www.apexi-usa.com/product_electronics_detail.asp?id=200&pageNum=1)

[zzBoris]

Manual (mechanical) boost controllers shouldn't even be considered.
I'm sure there are plenty of threads that beat this to death.

As far as EBC's go I have personally used all of them on one of my cars or another.
I've grown very fond of the Blitz units. I currently use an i-Color Spec R, but I've used all the other models as well.

The Apexi AVCR is a nice controller as well, but a couple of things led me away from it:
A) It uses a single solenoid
B) The size of the display (some will consider this a pro rather than a con)

I personally prefer a smaller display that doesn't take up so much space, and I don't much care for the HKS or the Greddy interface.

So with all that said, my preferences are:
1) Blitz SBC i-Color
2) Blitz SBC-iD III (+)
3) Apexi AVCR

Definately go to your local car meet and see if you can scope them out before you buy...people have different preferences on these things and honestly that's what it will likely boil down to as they all do a pretty fair job at managing the boost.

[Volchok]

So with all that said, my preferences are:
1) Blitz SBC i-Color
2) Blitz SBC-iD III (+)
3) Apexi AVCR



manual not an option.
1) Blitz SBC i-Color is the spec r right?

[Z33dori]

AVCR

can't lose

[zzBoris]

The i-Color can either be had in Spec S (single solenoid) or Spec R (dual solenoid).

[Volchok]

yeah i know unless there is a strong justification for dual solenoid i would go with the single

thanks everyone for their help and opinions

[S14DB]

Only if you running sequential turbo's.

[lflkajfj12123]

why such big injectors O_O

[zzBoris]

Unless you plan on running very high amounts of boost (ie- >20psi) there isn't much of a case for duals.
At the higher boost levels the dual solenoid units hold the desired peak boost better than the singles do.

I do run the i-Color Spec R, but whether I need it or not is debatable as I'll peak right around 19-20psi, but I'm OCD like that...if there's a better version of something I'll almost always opt for it.

If you don't plan to exceed 20psi and want to save a few bucks you can't go wrong with the Blitz Spec S models or the AVCR (or even the Greddy or HKS, even though I don't care for them).

[Volchok]

why such big injectors O_O
cause i got a good deal on the 850's and the enthalpy tuned ecu, which was tuned for the 850's, 800 for the two and also in he future when i build the motor and replace the head gasket with a metal one i can add a 2871R without having to replace the injectors\

thanks again all, i think i've decided on the blits SBC i-Color spec s. I will take advantage of the A/F gauge ability and get the adapter for that, along with fuel pressure.

[treken2t87]

cause i got a good deal on the 850's and the enthalpy tuned ecu, which was tuned for the 850's, 800 for the two and also in he future when i build the motor and replace the head gasket with a metal one i can add a 2871R without having to replace the injectors\

thanks again all, i think i've decided on the blits SBC i-Color spec s. I will take advantage of the A/F gauge ability and get the adapter for that, along with fuel pressure.
your original post says 8500CC injectors :wiggle:

[Volchok]

oops lol one toooo many zeros

[tr0n9h]

what do you guys think about aem boost controller? i was thinking about getting that because it is pretty cheap.

anyone that have experience with it pleas epost inputs. thanks

[Prok0]

I dig the AVCR, just because its very simple to use.

Ive used Greddy Profec B Spec 2's, and AEM truboosts and didnt really like them as much..
Both werent nearly as easy to use as the AVCR because instead of just punching in a desired boost level like the AVCR you have to fuck with gain/set/wg crack/set gain/etc., and the adjustments never seemed to be that linear.

[brndck]

i <3 my sard trigger.
very easy to set up and use, has dual boost settings, is pretteh.
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/hopup1_2031_205438272

[steve shadows]

IMO The AVCR Takes far too long to set up and is annoying in it's complexity (which it does not have to be to get the same job done).

I have owned the AVCR, PROFEC B and now the BLITZ DUAL SBC -

Once you dial in the gain (which is about 20-30 for SR with small turbo) No more spikes and very steady control.

ANd unlike the AVCR, you don't have to make pull after pull to get the boost controller to hold in a certain range. This is what annoys me about the AVCR the most - that you have to keep flooring it under different load conditions over and over again to get it properly set up.

[lilredstiffy]

8500cc injectors are the way to go IMO

[Om1kron]

so what makes the HKS EVC a better choice? and which spec S, the I-Color (my favorite so far)?

It's not what makes it a better choice, it's all about the function you need it to perform and if all of the other features will be beneficial or not....

The blitz spec - R will do everything your standard set of gauges will do for you plus adjusting your boost. And it's dual solenoid for sequential turbo's and you can tap it into other shit to monitor water temp and what not... reading whatever off of your ecu.

Same with the spec S only it's single solenoid and I believe it only monitors your boost pressure and what not, haven't really done a compare on the two.

The HKS EVC on the other hand has boost gauge feature, analog or digital on the lcd display and will also correct your boost level to prevent overboosting and what not. And I prefer the clenliness of the device as it's harness and brain box can be mounted separately and plugs right into the back of it's controler so I can mount it where my guage cluster is without drilling some akward hole in my console to hide the wire.

Mainly the reason why the device is appealing to me. Asthetics and it's straight forward function and benefits. I will be using a racepak or aim sports cluster so no need for the monitoring benefits of the i color r from blitz.

[landins13]

8500CC injectors are a little excesive for that turbo. even 850cc injectors would be royal overkill

[BlackTruenoAE86]

I run an AEM TruBoost Controller. I like it.

[Volchok]

8500CC injectors are a little excesive for that turbo. even 850cc injectors would be royal overkill

as I mentioned previously I got a deal on the injectors and ecu (obviously tuned for 850's) thats why I went with them. Also, wont have to buy new injectors down the road when I switch to a larger turbo. I have a friend that runs these injectors with the same t28 and enthalpy tuned ecu and it runs strong.

I am fairly positive I will go with the i-Color Spec S, as I wont be running boost higher than 15, nor sequential turbos, and want to use the fuel pressure and A/F monitoring capabilities. I have water temp, oil temp, and iol pressure in Defi blue racer gauges, so having those on the boost controller would be a nice addition and convenient as well.

Thanks all for the input, it has been helpful in making my decision.

[Volchok]

OK jsut orderd the Blitz SBC i-Color Spec S

I am excited! Now I just need to get the car from AZ, its at Full Race Forrest is putting in a cage.

thanks again all. see you on the track!

[GSXRJJordan]

cause i got a good deal on the 850's and the enthalpy tuned ecu, which was tuned for the 850's, 800 for the two and also in he future when i build the motor and replace the head gasket with a metal one i can add a 2871R without having to replace the injectors\

Lol T28 @ 20psi on a stock head gasket? $800 is a good deal for a tuned ECU and a set of injectors?

Wowowowowowow.

[codyace]

/\ /\ LOL


Profec for me

B spec I
or
Type S

Spec II's are 'aight' but I like the caveman knob style ones. Set it and forget it boost control, for me.

[!nSaNe Dr!fTeR]

if anyone is interested, i got a blitz sbc-id III spec r for sale $350 shipped. used but still in great condition. I'm looking to get an apexi avcr.

[Volchok]

Lol T28 @ 20psi on a stock head gasket? $800 is a good deal for a tuned ECU and a set of injectors?

Wowowowowowow.

^^^
I am going to be running max 15 psi, not sure where you got that from...not any of my posts

and yeah $400 for a $500 Enthalpy tuned ECU and $400 for BNIB $475 sard 850's is a good deal to me. Mainly I didn't have to wait for the ECU to be sent out and come back cause I needed a running car for an event.

so I saved $175 off of retail that was good with me, and no shipping or tax. Plus it was a friend who needed the money.

but hey you probably know better LOL

[Om1kron]

^^^
I am going to be running max 15 psi, not sure where you got that from...not any of my posts

Yeah I was wondering how the fuck a t28 would even handle 20psi... The efficiency of that turbo is like nilch past 16psi isn't it? Cant remember.

850's for a t28 though is overkill, assuming you already have a fpr and an upgraded fuel pump to handle all of that mess.

[Volchok]

yeah i totally agree don't know where gsxrjordan got 20 psi from, maybe some other thread...lol. I do have a fpr and upgraded pump. I would have gone with 550 if not for all of the reasons I stated like three times earlier in the thread. Obviously it cant hurt and there will be no need to change them later on when the motor is built and I get a bigger turbo.

this thread was about boost controllers not my injectors but hey i do appreciate the POSITIVE feedback


happy holidays...

the SBC i-color is on its way all is good :yum:

[S13Sr20detSilvia]

Fuck go old school greddy e01 best boost controller ever made!


Hey everyone, I am just looking for some experienced members opinions on the best boost controller for the sr20 with a T28. I am installing a new T28, 850 cc injectors, z32 maf, greddy intake and an enthalpy tuned ECU. Currently my t25 has an adjustable actuator so I have yet to purchase a boost controller. I am having a hard time deciding on which one to get.

Blitz:
SBC i-Color Spec R (http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/sbcicolorspecr.html)
obviously the highest priced one so I am trying justify the expense.
SBC i-Color Spec S (http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/sbcicolor.html)
seems like the best choice and I like the ability to add performance monitors i.e A/F and temp/pressure.

SBC i-D III Spec R & (http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/sbcid.html)SBC i-D III Spec S (http://phase2motorsports.stores.yahoo.net/sbcid.html)
better price but am I sacrificing anything?

HKS EVC IV & APEX'i Super AVCR
look good but for the same price the Blitz seems to offer more.

I really only want opionos of those who have used any of the above or have first ahnd knowledge of their boost controller of preference.

Thanks in advance to the wonderfuly helpful zilvia community.