KA24DE Not Starting.

[jinesz32]

I need some help, Haven't had the time to diagnose but if someone had the same problem before I'd appreciate the help.

Alright, Well before my car was running perfectly fine, the only bad thing was that it leaked a lot of oil, about a quart + more a day depending on how it's driven, so i decided to take a look at it and fix it, the tap was loose and the bolts fell in the oil pan due to the last owner putting bolts on the inside, they fell through, and as time past by it started to leak worst and worst, so i lifted the motor and took the tap out, and welded the holes shut, got a new oil pan gasket and installed it, after install i started the car and it started up, once it started to idle it just shut off, now it won't start and i have no idea why.

here are some things i think could be the problem? i'm not sure.

1. my MAF is messed up, filter is pretty dirty.
2. you guys know that big piece that goes into the stock headers from the back of the motor, it was just hanging there and would not go in the damn headers, so a friend told me to just weld them shut from the headers and from the pipe behind the motor, since when i was turbo'd he said to just cap off the pipe with a vacc blocker thing, so maybe thats the reason why it won't start?
3. i thought it was the distributer, but i changed it from a spare motor and it didn't do anything.
4. before i did all of this, i used to use a push button to start my car, then while i was doing this, i decided i wanted to use my key instead, i chopped the wires off from the fuse box thing under the motor and put them together, it cranks the car, but doesn't start.

any ideas?

any help appreciated. thanks.

i hope everyone has a merry christmas. :)

[AznDrftr.]

what does it do when you try to start it? turns over?

[JRas]

you dropped the oil pan

welded some holes

put the oil pan back on

start it, begins to idle? than stalls

won't start

is that correct?

[jinesz32]

well removed the fan, drained coolant, drained oil, removed sway bars, droped pan, and basically put it all back together, added coolant, oil, etc etc, started it, and it did start, then it once it begin to idle, it died which was only acouple seconds. now it won't start, so yeah, basically that..

edit: welded the holes that were from the tap pretty much, to seal the oil pan.

edit:

it just cranks, i tried push starting too ..

and it was running perfectly fine betore fixing the oil leak.

[5150Fab]

prob something with your ignition from messing with the start button

[jinesz32]

thought it was, so i pulled out every coil and pluged it back in, i even replaced a distrubuter with one that was on a spare ka24de. it just cranks.. won't turn over. =[

[5150Fab]

do a spark test.

[alzahakar]

Check your wiring behind that fuse panel. Make sure you didn't forget to reconnect a wire or pulled another loose while you were fixing the ignition. Check if you are getting fuel. You may have pulled the fuel pump wiring loose.

[JRas]

double check your wires

[jinesz32]

i'll do spark test, and double check my wires.

i didn't really disconnect anything when lifting the motor to remove the oil pan, only thing i really disconnected was the MAF, and removed the battery from the trunk back to the front.

and while doing all that, i cut and put 2 wires together so i could start the car with the key instead of the ignition, so i also pulled the push start button wires out and removed the push button.

1, i never really "started" my car with the key ever before except for when it was automatic, but when i first started it with the key when everything was done, it turned over but it died when it hit idle, so maybe it's the push button?

but i will check all wires.

don't really know wassup, but while pulling the wires out, my friend actually pulled the push start button out, i didn't tell him to do it YET cause i was still disconnecting it, and he just pulled it and it did spark, my windows don't roll down no more at ALL, theres no power going to them, so i'm sure it blew a fuse.

but i'll diagnose soon.

thanks for all the replies.

merry Christmas everyone. :)

[jinesz32]

still can't solve the problem.. =[

did a spark test. it was all fine.
replaced distributer from a spare motor.
i heard that pipe that i welded off is for smog reasons and it shouldn't effect it from starting.

it cranks and SOMETIMES it wants to turn over but it doesn't.

checked my fuses and it appeared that my fuel pump and other stuff fuse blew, so i replaced that, and its the same problem..

im thinking its a loose wire or a ground.

[projectRDM]

You need air, fuel, and spark to start the car.

MAF plugged in means you have air.
Check all four plugs for spark.
Check fuel pressure for fuel.

There's nothing else it can be if all fuses are good.

[alzahakar]

Was this car using the push button starter when you bought it or did you install it at some point? My S14 had the push button starter when I got it. I took that shit out only to find out my ignition switch was bad.

[jinesz32]

all 4 plugs got spark.
MAF is plugged, maybe it's messed up, filter is hecka dirty.
will check fuel pressure.

when i first bought the car it was automatic, converted it to 5 speed and started the car with a push button. when it was automatic i was able to start the car with the key, then when i went to 5 speed i used a push button, after fixing my car i decided i didnt want to use the push button no more, so i looked for guides online, found one and put 2 of the wires together and the starter wires back to how its suppose to be, and yeah, when i first started the car it started, but then it died and now it just cranks, it wants to turn over but it wont..

it could be a ground that got loose?
because basically we just unbolted the motor mounts and lifted the motor a little to get hte oil pan off. took off the fan, the intake, etc.

i got no idea, and i haven't been able to work on my car, so if i can get some ideas of what could be wrong with it, i could just go try it real quick and hope it starts.

thanks for the replies, i appreciate all of them.

[5150Fab]

what about the small ground wires by the back of the head.

I remember my sr wouldnt either crank or run without it grounded. Its a thin ground wire. Im not sure if this just a SR thing or not.

you should be able to hear your fuel pump kick on when the key is on. You could be just getting power to the starter and not the fuel pump.

[jinesz32]

i'll check out both, thanks for suggestions.
changed intake to a new one.

still not starting, ill check for ground and check if fuel is coming through. air is good, spark is good, next up is fuel.. and check grounds.

thanks.

[nrmskate]

You said you replaced the dizzy, did you time it correctly?

If it's off, your car will never start.

[zugoi]

i would of said the same thing nrmskate but he said the car ran until it went down to idle and then died out. If timing was incorrect the car never would of started at all. Check to see if your getting fuel.

[jinesz32]

yea the timing was set right, uhm i havent checked for fuel yet so ill do that. :)

maybe its a bad fuel pump. Lol, that would be so gay hahaa.

thanks for the replies guys.

[5150Fab]

have someone turn your key on while you listen for the buzz of the fuel pump in your trunk/hatch! this will let you know if its getting power or working at all.

[jinesz32]

i unhooked my fuel line and put it into a bottle and turned my key for a second a couple times and it squirted out gas into the bottle, so apparently the fuel pump is pumping gas, we checked all the spark plugs and it seems to be getting spark for all of them, get a new intake, so im sure its getting good air, i checked all the grounds in the engine bay and they appear to be fine hopefully, the only thing i can think of is either we did the wires for the ignition wrong or some wires got messed up on the ecu, and i thought i fried my ecu so i tried another ecu but it was still the same, so the only thing i can think of is my engine harness is messed up because awhile back i went turbo and my friend spiced and wired my safc II and when we took it out my car didn't run, and i think that was because the maf wire wasn't going to anyhting or the wrong thing, so were gonna try another engine harness when we pull the motor out of another 240 and hopefully that works, cause i really dont know what it is.

the day it started and died at idle and wouldn't start after that and all it did was crank, well i didnt know this till yesterday and my friend told me that he cranked my car the NEXT day and it started and IDLE perfectly fine, then when he shut it off and tried it again it wouldnt turn over again. which sucked. thats why its so confusing, it gets fuel, spark, and i think its getting air, unless the wiring is messed up.

thanks for all the input, i appreciate all the response.