Mother fuccin transmission won't GO ON!!

[NemeGuero]

My front X-member nuts are barely hanging on..

the engine mounts are loose

there is a jack under the crank pulley

AND I STILL CANNOT GET THE F*CKIN THING ON!

Why don't I have enough room with that??

What else can I do?

[azndoc]

So you tilted the engine.

That's all I know.

Sorry "broseph"

[lflkajfj12123]

did any of those things help you the slightest bit

i cant imagine so

you're saying it wont line up correct?

[articdragon192]

It should go on. That's all my buddy and I ever loosened to get the tranny on. Make sure it's lines up properly. It took us a while to get that shit on perfectly.

did any of those things help you the slightest bit

i cant imagine so

you're saying it wont line up correct?

They do help a lot. Gives more room for the bellhousing to clear the firewall area since the engine drops down a few inches.

[ericcastro]

Its a matter of angle.
yes, duh, i know.

You just gotta move that tranny back and forth and up and down till it lines up.

I swapped a clutch at a event, and my friend nate helped me line the tranny up. Took 20 minutes of shoving the stupid thing around till it finally lined up.

[SochBAT]

jack on the rear tail housing.

Man up and hold the front housing on the bottom, place on top of your chest, and slowly position it in.

Can't do it?

Go lift some weights!!

[lflkajfj12123]

It should go on. That's all my buddy and I ever loosened to get the tranny on. Make sure it's lines up properly. It took us a while to get that shit on perfectly.



They do help a lot. Gives more room for the bellhousing to clear the firewall area since the engine drops down a few inches.

i know tilting the engine helps

this is from the faq

This is the hardest step to do. You now get to stab your 5 speed gearbox into the clutch/pilot bushing. This step took us a good 6 hours and multiple attempts.

Some people say that the tranny must be rotated while jacking it up so the starter hump points down, the rotated into place once it is mated to the transmission, we did not do this and still got it into place.

We finally got it to work by: Putting one jack in the middle of the 5 speed (at its center of gravity on a flat spot) and another jack at the very back of the transmission.

This allows you to wag the tranny side to side and up and down. Next loosen the engine mounts that hold the mount to the body – not the engine to the mount, with these loose, jack up the front of the engine so you have a better approach angle with the transmission.

Remove the exhaust piping that runs from the header to the cat so you can have more room to slide the transmission in there, you may want to have a rubber mallet to hammer the back of the transmission in.

Jack the transmission up and slide stab/wrestle/hammer/cuss the transmission to slide onto the pilot bearing/clutch. Easier said then done. We had to keep going up and down with the transmission.

Also, once it is in if it is not perfect, it will not fit on all the way – you may want to try spinning the flywheel to help line everything up

[azndoc]

Your still bad luck fucker.

Should've never given you that fucking ride along.

4 laps.

4 motherfucking laps.

Fuck you NEMO

[articdragon192]

Yeah, you have to bench press that tranny in. Taking out the fluid helps a ton.

And it's not a matter of tilting it. The 3 trannys I've done, we haven't tilted the tranny putting it on. We've just dropped the motor straight down.

[ericcastro]

I had rotated my KA tranny 45 degrees towards the passenger side.

Layed under it.
Put my knees under the tail, and benched that fuck on there.
Still took alot of tries.
had a jack under it originally but that was just as frustraiting.

[SochBAT]

yea. that jack doesn't move for shit!!!

Eric's got it right, knees up, bench

[Sileighty_85]

BFH

look to where the bell housing is catchin and knock the tranny tunnel in a little bit in those spots
it'll help a little bit

I had to do that when i installed my Twin plate + everything you did and that everyone else mentioned

[90hatchie]

when i did my 5 speed swap i guess i got lucky
went right in
i also had the help of an atv/ motor cycle jack
which is now busted haha

[soshweet]

yea. that jack doesn't move for shit!!!

Eric's got it right, knees up, bench

yeah man, just keep on bench pressing it

[yokotavia]

BFH


exactly.

band that transmission tunnel up. always helped me along with xmember bolts loosened and motor mounts loosened.

[Flaco S14]

ive put in quite of few trannys and what always works for me is having two people one holding the tale and someone else holding the bellhousing. rotate it about 45degrees to the passenger side push in then rotate it back to normal and lift the tail up. and since youve tried a few times already make sure your clutch is still aligned.

[240=180]

lol i just did a clutch the other day... spent a good few hours trying to get the tranny on then i thought of turning the driveshaft by hand while inserting then bam went on like butter.

i forgot what gear it was in but it was in either neutral or first.

hope this helps.

[1slowS13]

im 5'10" and 150 lbs

i just jacked it up, lined it up, then kicked it from the output shaft, thing went in 5 mins, no joke!

now everyone knows my secret, boo

[Def]

Yeah, you have to bench press that tranny in. Taking out the fluid helps a ton.

And it's not a matter of tilting it. The 3 trannys I've done, we haven't tilted the tranny putting it on. We've just dropped the motor straight down.

+1

Jacking the front crank pulley on my car tended to pull the engine mounts UP and raised the whole engine more than it angled the back. Just lower the front crossmember and you've got room for days. The only hard part is dealing with the freakin' 4-5' long trans. That's the only part where working on a BMW is WAAAYYYYY easier. Trans that will hold as much or more power as a KA/SR trans weighs ~55-60 lbs in an E36 and it is about 2-2.5' long. I stabbed that sucker in first try, so nice after messing with the SR trans.

[Bigsyke]

Seriously

http://www.gameguru.in/images/nervous-brickdown-1.jpg


Do I wait till its above 10*f outside to venture in? I fucking want IN though

[nieko]

wtf ?? ^^^

[jrbump]

put in on upside down, then rotate it around.

[redpotatoes]

My front X-member nuts are barely hanging on..

the engine mounts are loose

there is a jack under the crank pulley

AND I STILL CANNOT GET THE F*CKIN THING ON!

Why don't I have enough room with that??

What else can I do?

One thing that can help is having someone in front of the car with some kind of pry bar and place it between your sway bar and oil pan. GENTLY lift it (you don't want to damage your pan) so you can move the engine a little while someone else push in the tranny. I know thats how I do it to install mine and it always worked for me. I feel you, they are a pain ... !!!

[yokotas13]

i use a fucking lift

join the air force
you can use one too

[aNskY]

putting a jack on your crank pulley hardly seems like a good idea...


anyway, i have done this numerous times. the trick is to turn the tranny 90 degrees clockwise (so that the "left" side is pointing UP) then massage it into the pilot, when your input spline is in the pilot, turn it back and it will pop right into place.

[moses]

The way that worked best for me was loosen the 4 bolts that will drop the engine and it will give you about a good 2 inches. I got it in, in about 10 min after that. Good luck

[NemeGuero]

did any of those things help you the slightest bit

i cant imagine so

you're saying it wont line up correct?

It does help and I still need another 1/2" before the input shaft lines up properly.

It should go on. That's all my buddy and I ever loosened to get the tranny on. Make sure it's lines up properly. It took us a while to get that shit on perfectly.



They do help a lot. Gives more room for the bellhousing to clear the firewall area since the engine drops down a few inches.

it is aligned properly, It just doesn't go up all the way even with the x member hanging on by a few threads..

jack on the rear tail housing.

Man up and hold the front housing on the bottom, place on top of your chest, and slowly position it in.

Can't do it?

Go lift some weights!!

Lifting it isn't the problem SOOOSHHIIT! I'll KILL YOU!! hahaha


Your still bad luck fucker.

Should've never given you that fucking ride along.

4 laps.

4 motherfucking laps.

Fuck you NEMO

FCUK YOU TOO PENIS LICKER!
You broke my transmission!

putting a jack on your crank pulley hardly seems like a good idea...


anyway, i have done this numerous times. the trick is to turn the tranny 90 degrees clockwise (so that the "left" side is pointing UP) then massage it into the pilot, when your input spline is in the pilot, turn it back and it will pop right into place.

Its not exactly on the pulley, its between that and the block and there is wood blocks to take care of the pressure problem






I want to get longer X member bolts and just run that fucker all the way down.

anyways.. I'm going to try again today with daylight and some extra help.
I'll get beers/pizza if anyone wants to come out.

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[aNskY]

btw ive never had to even so much as loosen a motor mount or move the engine at all. it's not the easiest thing to do but it shouldnt be TOO hard...

[NemeGuero]

Yeah, I've gotten it in there 4-5 times before myself.. but for some reason this shit won't go on.

As soon as it gets warmer I'm gonna go try again.

I called in sick. haha

[98s14inaz]

Yeah, I've gotten it in there 4-5 times before myself.. but for some reason this shit won't go on.

As soon as it gets warmer I'm gonna go try again.

I called in sick. haha

Sounds like you're having a rough time. One tip I can offer is to turn the trans so that the hump that the starter bolts to goes downish. That will free up some room up top. I had the same problem and we discovered that the stupid hump was hitting the tunnel. After we turned the trans it went right in and then we rotated it back to where it was supposed to be. This last time I was so pissed I yanked the motor and trans in one piece and did it that way.

[NemeGuero]

I'm tempted to pull the engine.. hahah

[aNskY]

Sounds like you're having a rough time. One tip I can offer is to turn the trans so that the hump that the starter bolts to goes downish. That will free up some room up top. I had the same problem and we discovered that the stupid hump was hitting the tunnel. After we turned the trans it went right in and then we rotated it back to where it was supposed to be. This last time I was so pissed I yanked the motor and trans in one piece and did it that way.


That is what i suggested (90 degrees clockwise brings the starter hole facing down ;))


if you have a hoist, pull the engine. sr's are so easy to pull, it's way less of a headache!

[Om1kron]

yeah note to self, install tranny after pulling the motor again... LOL!

[MissShiftS13]

Man i wish i knew all this stuff about throwing the tranny back on, when i replaced my flywheel with a chromoly flywheel i just muscled it in without doing any of that stuff and my friend standing on the engine itself to give us room, lol..... it took us a day or so, ok so there was a lot of beer involved but it went on.

[NemeGuero]

Yeah, I need some beer.

[SochBAT]

still haven't gotten it on yet huh?

[ChicagoS14]

put in on upside down, then rotate it around.

Thats how I always get them. Rotate it upside down, get under there and once it snaps in to place then rotate it back into proper place. A trans jack helps, but sometimes it gets in the way, if you have enough place and feel strong enough you can bench the trans into place. Only issue is having enough space under the car.

[traxx07]

have u even got it close to being in? im thinking this is a 5 spd if not pull the engine. if so then get it as close as possible then start a screw..... tighten it and it should drop in place maybe throw some WD40(or KY) in there to make things slippery... it worked about 5 times with me ha ha

if that fails .... pull the engine ... its not that much of a biotch

[Matej]

Next time I have my transmission out, I'm going to shave it and file it and sand it and make it all lightweight and smooth and shiny and rad dipped in chrome.

[onepuff]

is it in neutral?

[flip3d]

"You now get to stab your 5 speed gearbox into the clutch/pilot bushing. This step took us a good 6 hours and multiple attempts."



That quote is full of truth. I ended up pulling my motor. Just make sure you take the shifter off when you're putting everything back in :P

[240=180]

just rotate the driveshaft by hand.....

try it in either neutral or first. i forgot which gear.

it should go on like butter.

[ericcastro]

shit, c'mon.
Me and Nate did the entire clutch on the 110* pavement at Balcony in just under 4 hours, and I was back on the track.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/castro_castro/trackdirtbag.jpg

My flights have been cancelled, so Im going Mcauley Culkin this Christmas.
Where you at? and you need some Premie help?

[Vision Garage]

is the tranny lining up with the engine at all? or are they completely far apart. Like everyone said, you need to rotate the tranny at first to clear the hump where the starter goes. If it all lines up and still doesnt go in, check to make sure your pilot bearing is in all the way. BEST OF LUCK!

[CursedGTR]

THis may be a stupid question but did you align the clutch before you attempted to put the tranny back in?

I usually just stick an input shaft (busted off an old tranny) and line up the clutch disc and pilot bearing tighten it all down (not so much that you cannot retrieve the shaft piece but enough to make sure everything stays in place) and then finish tightenting it all down once I remove the shaft piece. Usually, the tranny slips on within a few seconds every time sometimes it takes upwards of 5-10 minutes.

I am not sure if there is some kind of crazy magic tricks between stateside silvias and the ones over here but this method has worked on Silvia's, Skylines and anything else I have touched. But then again, every car is different and yours can just be possessed by a pissed dead hookers ghost or some shit.

[NemeGuero]

I didn't touch the clutch when I pulled the trans. I fucked my transmission, not my clutch.

I got it on.

Now though, the top is gapped a little less than a 1/4" and all the bolts are tight...
The backing plate is kinda loose so it can vibrate and it makes a shit ton of noise..

not terrible noise, its just obvious its not sealed up right. (vibration kinda noise)

It drives fine other than the fact that it doesn't shift smoothly..
(I'm low on fluid, I only had 2 bottles of gear oil instead of the required 2.4) so hopefully that goes away with another bottle... or just some break in time. This thing has been sitting for a while.

and also the clutch really really needs to be re-bled. Pedal all the way to the floor and it barely disengages.

Fuck.. at least I got to work this morning..



I think I'm gonna pay someone to remove all the trans bolts and re-do it. Not pull the tranny, just redo all the bell-housing bolts so it seats properly..

ANYONE DOWN FOR THIS? I'm over fucking around with this transmission..

[1slowS13]

oh man, theres a gap?! something might be wedged in between the bellhousing and the block.. no bueno

[NemeGuero]

Nothing I can see.. or feel.. and its only on the top.

[GSXRJJordan]

Dude, I'm so glad we got that thing in there and working last night ~ I really didn't feel like being defeated again.

I know Jack's gonna disagree, but I'd say take it to Edward @ RnD Factory - his guy (forgot his name, cool white guy with a dope name like "Butch" or something lol) will have that bitch up, retorqued, and down in like an hour. Probably cost $100 though, cause it is a bitch.

Oh, and half a bottle of gear oil isn't going to make much difference in noise (if any) - if you're hearing not-good noises, you need to fix that shit asap.

[codyace]

lol you guys crack me up

a long time ago I got pissed at this type of job, and just bought botls at home depot thta were super long, that screwed into the engine, and then cut the heads off. We do this stuff with the big trucks at the shop, really saves time and aggrevation.

Then all you do is man handle that thing up in there, and hang it from the long bolts. This helps line it up nicey nice style. Them just jam it back together.

To easy.

[Om1kron]

well the block has alignment studs pressed into it so there is no way to fuck up a tranny install unless pussy tq specs were used to re-tighten the bolts... I had to use a breaker bar and my body weight to break my tranny bolts loose, if they require that much tq to seal that bitch on, no way am I going to trust bolting that thing on from under the car. It's already missing 3 bolts from the solid engine mounts!

[NemeGuero]

Yeah, I'm missing bolts too. I'm taking it somewhere where they have a lift and tranny jacks and cool tools so I'm not on my back in the driveway with wobble sockets trying to torque that shit with rocks in my back..

[GSXRJJordan]

Yeah, I'm missing bolts too. I'm taking it somewhere where they have a lift and tranny jacks and cool tools so I'm not on my back in the driveway with wobble sockets trying to torque that shit with rocks in my back..

True story, my back looks like I just spent the day with a Thai hooker with 3" talons after spending a night and a half down there.

Plus my elbow's got this phat cut in it where the tranny fell and smashed my elbow into the gravel that he calls a driveway.

Good choice sir.

[NemeGuero]

Especially since last night I had to take that shit off and on 5 times..

[silviachik420]

man i cant belive this!!!!!!


some times when you pull the tranny off and you are hanging it and rocking it around when its half way out, the clutch disk will move you have something not right or lined up wrong!!!

every tranny i did it takes a second or 2 but when it falls into place it sucks it in like it was meant to be their

NEVER ONCE have i just put a longer bolt and MASHED them together who the fuck dose that OMMMMFFFFGGGG that souds really smart!!!!


and driving it with the tranny not all the way on???? that was very very smart


maybe if you can not even figure out how to put the tranny on correct you should not be working on cars, your right you should just go pay some one to do a girls job!!!!!! :ddog:

[dori_sil8t]

i had a bitch of a time with my sr tranny. wouldnt go in for shit. so me and two of my buddies got under there and i pulld down on the down pipe with engine mounts loose and my two buddies lifted it into place... you just have to get it at the right angle. but then again i did mine in -20 weather in a cabinet shop with no heat, on the floor..

[GSXRJJordan]

man i cant belive this!!!!!!


some times when you pull the tranny off and you are hanging it and rocking it around when its half way out, the clutch disk will move you have something not right or lined up wrong!!!

every tranny i did it takes a second or 2 but when it falls into place it sucks it in like it was meant to be their

NEVER ONCE have i just put a longer bolt and MASHED them together who the fuck dose that OMMMMFFFFGGGG that souds really smart!!!!


and driving it with the tranny not all the way on???? that was very very smart


maybe if you can not even figure out how to put the tranny on correct you should not be working on cars, your right you should just go pay some one to do a girls job!!!!!! :ddog:

Haha intelligent...

The dowel pins and input shaft will make sure the tranny is aligned (in response to Cody's "use longer bolts to get it aligned" trick - good idea BTW). As far as moving the clutch disk, even if it did move (very unlikely, considering the amount of pressure an aftermarket pressure plate holds), lining up the bolts and the input shaft/crank would put it right back in the same spot.

The noises he's hearing most likely are coming from not aligning the rear main seal (dust shield) with the bottom holes, so there aren't enough bolts on the bottom to keep the "dust shield" BS on KAs from vibrating.

[cwallace12]

I totally feel your pain man. I changed out my clutch a month ago and it was the biggest pain in the ass. It came out ok but when it came time to put it back in I thought I was gonna blow up my car. I even had 3 dudes over at one time helping and still couldnt get that bish to line up right. I finally borrowed my dads air chisel and hammered the tranny tunnel to where I thought the factory should have made it! I got it up there by myself on 2 jacks just cause I was so pissed and tired of not driving my car. Still took some manuvering with the engine loose from the mounts and goin up and down with a bottle jack to get it all to line up. If you not able to get it mat up all the way it could be that the input shaft isnt seated in the pilot bearing which is bad mojo. The factory torque on the bellhousing bolts is only 50lbs per the fsm so there shouldnt be a gap. Wish you luck with this extra pain in the ass install.

[silviachik420]

the bottom line is i would never just MASH something together mine always fall right into place.

you have input shaft splines and a very very soft BRASS pilot bushing if you damage either one on the way in your just asking for more trouble down the line just my :2c:.

but hey with all the hack jobs people are doing out their why not just get longer bolts and force the hell out of it sounds like the best idea huh GSXR???/

[cwallace12]

but hey with all the hack jobs people are doing out their why not just get longer bolts and force the hell out of it sounds like the best idea huh GSXR???/

The sad thing is when I was researching for my clutch swap I was reading up on past post and this actually was stated by someone that they did this to get it together. Anything that is rotating that fast I dont think I would just SMASH it together.

[codyace]

NEVER ONCE have i just put a longer bolt and MASHED them together who the fuck dose that OMMMMFFFFGGGG that souds really smart!!!!

Being that you are so smart, you would have read that I cut off the heads of the bolts, and use them for aligning the motor/hanging the motor while you push it in. Makes it a very nice and easy job when you're not doing a bench press.


And PS: I'd love to see you throw some big truck trans's in without using bolts to pull them together...lol silly kids thinking they are mechanics

[aNskY]

trans's

lol sorry i had to

just try to pronouce that :rofl: TRANSISIS!

[silviachik420]

And PS: I'd love to see you throw some big truck trans's in without using bolts to pull them together...lol silly kids thinking they are mechanics



silly kid????? I'm 26, i forgot more the you know!!:fawkd:!!


leave the jerry riggin to the big trucks, we are not talking about a semi here we are talking about a god damn 240sx...

[GSXRJJordan]

Heard from Evan today - turns out he/we left a dowel pin in the bell housing when we swapped them (s13 trans needed an s14 bell housing from his spare tranny), so that's why it didn't mate correctly up at the top.

Also, pilot bushing was missing somehow lol - anyway, it's getting fixed today.

[articdragon192]

Noob, lol. JK <3 Evan

[Om1kron]

silly kid????? I'm 26, i forgot more the you know!!:fawkd:!!


leave the jerry riggin to the big trucks, we are not talking about a semi here we are talking about a god damn 240sx...

the sr20det and ka24de are as long as my roomates r6... true story.

[Dream240]

This is just an afterthought, and I haven't posted on here in a while.... but anyways.

For mounting up the tranny in an S14, use a dead blow hammer and beat in the driver's side of the tunnel just past the firewall so it's recessed about 1" to 1.5". I did this and bammo.....no more bell housing hang ups.

Also the biggest factor that I only saw mentioned once was the initial housing position. Always start the tranny so that the starter bulb is pointing at the ground. Then once you get the tranny started on the clutch disc splines, wiggle and push from the tail at the same time. Oh, and wrapping the tail end and shifter hole in a garbage bag and a bungee cord will keep the mess off your legs and garage floor. Just a tip.

Also a big no-no..... don't let the tranny hang from input shaft splines while you rest your weak ass muscles. Rest the tail on a jack or jack stand so that there's no stress on the input shaft. If you've lined it up right and there's no obstructions (dowel pins, etc) you should be able to slide the tranny all the way flush to the block. Don't forget the bellhousing spacer plate.

As for NemeGuero's problems...... forgot to match up the bell housing faces? Whoops. And no pilot bushing???? WTF?!? I guess we all learn some things the hard way. Glad to see you got it working.

[NemeGuero]

We were rushing, I had to get the car moving so I could drive myself to work.

Thats how mistakes are made.

There was a pilot bearing in there, it was just damaged a bit from my old trans blowing up at Balcony.. He said it "mushroomed"

I think they left my engine mounts loose though because when I hit a bump my downpipe hits the tunnel.

Haven't driven it since. I'm out of town though.

[GSXRJJordan]

We were rushing, I had to get the car moving so I could drive myself to work.

Thats how mistakes are made.

There was a pilot bearing in there, it was just damaged a bit from my old trans blowing up at Balcony.. He said it "mushroomed"

I think they left my engine mounts loose though because when I hit a bump my downpipe hits the tunnel.

Haven't driven it since. I'm out of town though.

We miss you. Come home and drive your pain-in-the-ass car.

[Phlip]

silly kid????? I'm 26, i forgot more the you know!!:fawkd:!!


Really?
Your registration says 18, and your claims to the contrary caused me to search your IP address and find a match to jdm510 (http://zilvia.net/f/members/jdm510.html), banned for a similar predilection (http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/211365-why.html) to not shutting the hell up.
Well, since new names are not the way around being banned, as much as they are a vehicle to MORE bannings, good riddance.

[Dream240]

Yeah rushing usually leads to mistakes. I've got quite a few of those.

The worst one was when I gutted my old 91' to do a complete interior overhaul. Carpets, dash, some re-wiring, sound system, the works. Was putting it back together and got all the way to throwing in the guages, only to look on the garage floor and see one of the air duct vents laughing at me. Dammit. Fail.