fitting a small block chevy into an S13

[FloridaRacing]

My thread got locked before because it was simply a list of parts, well now those list of parts have made their way to a form of a completed engine that is a traditional 400 CI small block Chevy. It has been on the engine dyno and has made 702 HP and 684 FT/TQ. I have been working with Mckinney Motorsports on sourcing parts to make a first mount kit work for these engines.

Small block Chevys are cheap, easy to find, and hopefully after this, give people a cheaper alternative to an LS based engine. Best part of all, it is carbbed and requires minimal wiring.

This isnt the engine, rather than a mock up. Mounts are prototypes and are pretty close to done. The oil pan is a front sump type that has been modified to fit between the sway bar and sub frame without any modifications. The header type is equal length and will only require minimal drivers side adjustment to fit. Transmission is a TKO 600, which is shorter then a traditional 5 speed. A Traditional one will fit further back and correctly in the hole, which they are also building mounts for off this engine. Here is the initial mock up of these mounts on the test engine.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/1.JPG

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/2.JPG

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/3.JPG

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/4.JPG

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/5.JPG

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/6.JPG

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/7.JPG

[fliprayzin240sx]

Headers look fucking crazy...that shit gonna have enough room to clear the steering shaft???

[420sx]

why so crazy with the headers? and you should have pushed the motor further, the shifter is way far in.

i had no problem fitting the ls1 into my s14, using my mounts of course.

[kingkilburn]

I assume this is a "track only" swap. I don't see how you are going to get a carbed motor past a ref.

Cool swap though.

[lflkajfj12123]

Headers look fucking crazy...that shit gonna have enough room to clear the steering shaft???

lol OP's next post

oh shit....


we forgot about that....

[mxexux]

"Best part of all, it is carbbed and requires minimal wiring." :naw:I really wouldn't say that is the best part of all. I'd say it is the cheapest part of all. hehehe

[g6civcx]

I think I am the only person on here with this swap. My comments for you:

* Good job on height placement. I think your engine may actually be lower than mine. My biggest gripe with a lot of kits is that they place the engine way too high.

* Why didn't you cut out the firewall and shove the motor as further back as you possibly can? It will give better weight distribution as well as allowing you to shorten the propeller shaft as well.

* I used block hugger headers. Probably doesn't make as much top end as your headers but they're cheap and they fit.


If you have any specific questions please feel free to let me know. I'll do what I can based on my experience with this swap.

Good to see the small block getting some love. Good luck.

[FloridaRacing]

The headers will fit just fine, they passenger side works great and the driver side just needs a pie cut and shift on the 3 bolt flange, thats it. Also they are equal length with 1 7/8s primaries. Believe it or not, these are off the shelf headers from Hooker.

As I stated above, this transmission is based of a muncie 4 speed and is shorter then a traditional 5- 6 speed, which will fit fully centered on those applications.

The idea behind this swap was to make it as easy as possible for people to recreate with the mount kit, and also this is a street car, I didnt want to cut the firewall and shove the motor back into the dash.

[ROUGE180]

I can't wait to see the progress especially with the traditional type trans. So ball park, how much would a swap like this cost turn key assuming that I did all the labor? Nothing crazy, no upgrades, just in the car mounted and ready to drive.

[FloridaRacing]

If you have any specific questions please feel free to let me know. I'll do what I can based on my experience with this swap.

Good to see the small block getting some love. Good luck.

Pics? I have only found 1 other documented SBC swap into a 240

[FloridaRacing]

I can't wait to see the progress especially with the traditional type trans. So ball park, how much would a swap like this cost turn key assuming that I did all the labor? Nothing crazy, no upgrades, just in the car mounted and ready to drive.

Thats vague, it all depends on how much you want to spend on a motor, theres everything from brand new stock GM 350s, strokers, to used engines.

You could find a running 4 speed with a 350 for probably $1000-$1500, plus mounts, oil pan, oil pump pickup. Theres no pricing yet on the swap parts, but probably mounted and running for around $3k

[wow-thats-a-cool-car]

there doesn't look like theres room for like anything important. Like the break booster and windshield wiper motor and like all the steering stuff. But I can't wait to see it done, so hurry up and finish it lol

[g6civcx]

Pics? I have only found 1 other documented SBC swap into a 240

Read the V8 FAQ. I some pix splattered in that thread.

[FloridaRacing]

there doesn't look like theres room for like anything important. Like the break booster and windshield wiper motor and like all the steering stuff. But I can't wait to see it done, so hurry up and finish it lol

Theres plenty of room for all that stuff, one of the header tubes MAY have to be modified for brake booster.

[S14DB]

How does the distributor fit?

[g6civcx]

How does the distributor fit?

Note the large cutout in the firewall above the rear of the motor.

[VQMaxFan]

What happens when you want to change your spark plugs? It looks nearly impossible with those headers.

[FloridaRacing]

Note the large cutout in the firewall above the rear of the motor.

no, thats from something else, this is just a mockup engine bay.

The distributor fits fine, HEI types are a little too big, but no one runs them anyway

spark plugs are super easy to get to

[trsilvias13]

I read somewhere that some guy figured out how to drop one a sbc motor into a s13 using engine mounts from a van - it was direct drop in and no need to weld anything or something close to a bolt in, no welded type build. It wasn't on silviav8.com, but I think it was link from there to maybe Nico. But I remember seeing it somewhere.

[FloridaRacing]

Ill have to check it out, but this mount kit puts the engine in the right spot

[FloridaRacing]

modified pan, making a front sump pickup work on a rear sump oil pump, engine waiting for final mockup

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/pancut.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/pickup.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/enginestand.jpg

[Flicktitty]

what the fuck is done to that small block to make 700HP? On motor or Nitrous?

[RUTH'LESSDET]

2008 is the year of the import v8....I love it!!!!

[FloridaRacing]

what the fuck is done to that small block to make 700HP? On motor or Nitrous?

yep, 523 on motor, 702 on nitrous, only 10:1 compression, makes power to 6400, probably a 7000 RPM limiter. Makes 418 FT/TQ by 2500 RPM

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/NA2.JPG

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/n202.JPG

[sillyvia13]

thats a ghey engine throw it away....
waits out back for trash to fly....


HOLY! SHIT!
CAN YOU PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make a video of mean burnouts! PLEASE! and side cut exh so flames can be seen by driver aand passenger...

FUCK YES!
so badass.

[FloridaRacing]

it will def have a cutout off an X pipe, dont worry about that ;)

[sillyvia13]

it will def have a cutout off an X pipe, dont worry about that ;)

ok, I need you to say I promise Russ, I will pop a set of tires in 4th gear for you!

lol.

You will have the sickest s13 in my book.
i wanna see a fucking wheelie bar and shit...
I dare you to do wheelies you wont!!!! :ddog:

[g6civcx]

no, thats from something else, this is just a mockup engine bay.

What is the cutout for?

The distributor fits fine, HEI types are a little too big, but no one runs them anyway

If not HEI, then what are you running?

spark plugs are super easy to get to

Correct. They're much easier to get to than an LS1 in an fbody.

[Flicktitty]

yep, 523 on motor, 702 on nitrous, only 10:1 compression, makes power to 6400, probably a 7000 RPM limiter. Makes 418 FT/TQ by 2500 RPM

Nice, Mind PMing me the spec's on the motor (cam,rotating assembly,etc)

My buddy has a 72 Chevelle with a 496 BBC car motor made 732HP on motor.

[xs240]

damn.. no replacment for displacement. This car will be mad. Question.... what is it's purpose?

[g6civcx]

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/enginestand.jpg

May I suggest an oil filter relocation kit?

Then again, your motor is not shoved so far back that the filter hits the frame rail so you may be okay.

[RUTH'LESSDET]

Pics? I have only found 1 other documented SBC swap into a 240

I have a documented swap but i didnt post it here its on silviav8forums.com (http://www.silviav8forums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=633) along with everybody else with v8 swaps.
And by the way that motor setup is crazy!!! Are gonna drag the car?

[Flicktitty]

Question.... what is it's purpose?
Someone either

A: Want's to go fast.
B: Win every burnout competition he enters
C: All of the above.

[FloridaRacing]

I dont know what that cut out was for, it is the mockup engine bay for all their mount kits, RB to VG.

I dont know anyone that runs HEI unless it is required in a specific racing class, it fits a normal distributor with external coil, like a malory, MSD, petronix, etc.

Flicktitty - Ill PM you on Monday

This car will be multipurpose like all my cars, drag, drift, road race

[FloridaRacing]

I have a documented swap but i didnt post it here its on silviav8forums.com :: Index (http://www.silviav8forum.com) along with everybody else with v8 swaps.
And by the way that motor setup is crazy!!! Are gonna drag the car?

yea Ive seen LS swaps done a bunch, my friend had an LS in his car locally in 2005, never seen a traditional small block except for 3-4, but not much documented. im on there as marks510, i have a thread there too

[RUTH'LESSDET]

yea Ive seen LS swaps done a bunch, my friend had an LS in his car locally in 2005, never seen a traditional small block except for 3-4, but not much documented. im on there as marks510, i have a thread there too

ok yeah ive seen your thread but didnt put 2&2 together

[calehall08]

why carb are you running?

when i was thinking about a 350, i always thought i would need to switch to a fuel injected system since it would be soley for drift, but you said in a previous post that it would be a multi purpose car so im jw what type of carb you are running..

sick build

[g6civcx]

I dont know anyone that runs HEI unless it is required in a specific racing class, it fits a normal distributor with external coil, like a malory, MSD, petronix, etc.


I personally run an MSD Ready to run unit, external Blaster coil, and with their 6AL box for redundancy. The box offers some nice features, but if the box fails the car can still run on the distributor and coil alone.

Food for thoughts if you're considering reliability.

[Flicktitty]

I think i'll have to start looking into a old gen SBC swap into a cheap 240.
keep up on this thread.

[FloridaRacing]

If you run an amplifier box inconjuntion with a rtr distributor, it bypasses the functionality of the internal ignitor.

The carb is a holley 4150 hp 830 cfm nascar carb. It ran a 12.4 air/fuel out of the box (which is ideal for a carb) with no adjustment. The motor revs faster and cleaner than most fuel injected cars. The only motor I've owned that revved better was my blacktop 20v with itbs.

[g6civcx]

If you run an amplifier box inconjuntion with a rtr distributor, it bypasses the functionality of the internal ignitor.

And how do you feel about bypassing the internal ignitor?

[calehall08]

with this set up will someone be able to use a stock hood?

[g6civcx]

I am able to use a stock hood for 2 reasons: 1) my motor placement is low, and 2) I run NA with dual plane manifold.

If you run a single plane manifold for max top end power, you may not have enough hood clearance, or if your engine mounts place the engine too high.


Obviously running a supercharger would require a hood scoop of some sort.

[FloridaRacing]

Its totally fine, but then youd be better off getting the $280 version that runs off an amplifier box and selling the RTR. The RTR will support 450 hp no problem.

Here is the carb I use
Holley Performance Products 830 CFM Four Barrel Race Carburetor 0-80509-1 (http://holley.com/0-80509-1.asp)

Heres my engine, I have a full build video that will be out soon

http://www.dartheadstv.com/video/7427

[g6civcx]

Its totally fine, but then youd be better off getting the $280 version that runs off an amplifier box and selling the RTR. The RTR will support 450 hp no problem.


Did you read what I wrote?

The box offers some nice features, but I personally run an MSD Ready to run unit, external Blaster coil, and with their 6AL box for redundancy. The box offers some nice features, but if the box fails the car can still run on the distributor and coil alone.

I want redundancy for reliability.

[calehall08]

that's sick man. i always wondered if it would be okay to use a carb set up for a car that was going to be strictly drift

[420sx]

I dont know what that cut out was for, it is the mockup engine bay for all their mount kits, RB to VG.

I dont know anyone that runs HEI unless it is required in a specific racing class, it fits a normal distributor with external coil, like a malory, MSD, petronix, etc.

Flicktitty - Ill PM you on Monday

This car will be multipurpose like all my cars, drag, drift, road race

if you want to do drifting or road racing i would recommend going with carbs made for them because of fuel slosh

[calehall08]

if you want to do drifting or road racing i would recommend going with carbs made for them because of fuel slosh

thats why i was wondering about the use of carbs with drifting

[RIMTUCK]

__________

[FloridaRacing]

My carb will be totally fine guys, thanks. The carb I have they also use for NASCAR

When wiring up a RTR thru a 6AL, it will bypass how it works, meaning if the 6al box failed, then the car would stop running til you wired the RTR to go straight back thru the coil again, and not spliced between the box

[DeathMetal]

Someone either

A: Want's to go fast.
B: Win every burnout competition he enters
C: Be American
D: All of the above.

Fixd XD Americanism FTW

[93superHICAS]

so how much are the mounts?
how much are the headers?

[g6civcx]

When wiring up a RTR thru a 6AL, it will bypass how it works, meaning if the 6al box failed, then the car would stop running til you wired the RTR to go straight back thru the coil again, and not spliced between the box

This is correct.

[FloridaRacing]

Mckinney is going to start with an intro price for these mounts, including the trans for $350

[Markdawg20]

Make the kit. I'll buy one.

[FloridaRacing]

Already in production, see post above yours.

[Flicktitty]

$350 doesn't seem to bad since you can get a stockish sbc for little to nothing.

[FloridaRacing]

yea for sure. They had a powerglide mocked up in there today with the final engine mount pieces. They are also doing a T5 mockup and trying to locate a T56 as well

[FloridaRacing]

Here is a mockup of the final engine mounts. This is how they will come, but painted of course. Mckinney has also been working on a powerglide transmission mount which is now done. Additionally, they will work on T-56, T5, and Turbo type transmissions. For now, they support the glide, TKO series, muncie, and saganaw based transmissions.

They will be working on finishing up the headers this week and hopefully have the pan and pick up tube finished next week. The pan will need to be modified in the back to support a rear sump style pump, since the pan was originally designed for front sump pumps that are shorter. There is plenty of room in the back to drop the sheet metal of the pan down.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/mountsdone.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/powerglide.jpg

[Antihero983]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

CAN I HAS?!

I <3 carburetors!!!!!!!!!!!

[FloridaRacing]

you can has for less than the price of a damn SR20 swap if you wanted, well not that motor, but something decent still

[Flicktitty]

looking good man!

i'm really wanting to find a shell to dump a sbc into now.

[Antihero983]

I know, lol I grew up on hot rods and muscle cars!

Hmm....I think I know where there is one....

now how do you get the gauges to work and whatnot? and what about getting the fuel pump to work with a carb?

[Flicktitty]

you can get Dakota Digital speedometer and Tachometer interface boxes.
that's what us 2JZ swap people do.

so i'm only assuming.

[irax]

is that a 350z shifter in the passenger seat?

[FloridaRacing]

I know, lol I grew up on hot rods and muscle cars!

Hmm....I think I know where there is one....

now how do you get the gauges to work and whatnot? and what about getting the fuel pump to work with a carb?

I am not sure how the interface boxes work, so I cant be much help. I am going to look into that as I do have an electronic speed sensor in the trans. Distributor pickup will come for the RPM as per usual

[FloridaRacing]

is that a 350z shifter in the passenger seat?

looks it, it's just a front clip

[Otto347]

You get the 510 home yet?

Why not EFI, carbs are so...........:fawk:

[FloridaRacing]

nah, 510 is still in Tampa, it was so close to running when I worked on it last time I was there, hopefully in the next 2 weeks , but ive been saying that for over a year

carb - wiring takes 5 min and has a flatter AFR then most EFI cars ;)

[FloridaRacing]

Nearing the end of all the parts needed to get the engine in results in the near completion of the oil pan and pickup tube. The current pickup tube uses an OEM style screen and tube, some custom bent tubing, and then the press fitting for the oil pump. The tube is secured onto a man cap bolt.

The oil pan needed the back of the pan extended since this pan is originally designed for front sump oil pumps, which are very limited. The traditional rear sump pump was used and results in a taller profile. Some finish work on the metal and it will be ready for sealing up.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/pan1.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/pan2.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/pan3.jpg

[kingkilburn]

How is the oil going to get out of the front sump?

[FloridaRacing]

that pickup tube that is going to the front of the motor........

[kingkilburn]

I guess I'm looking at it backwards...

Ok I'm seeing two sumps, only one with a pickup. Correct? How do you get the oil out of the pickupless sump?

[FloridaRacing]

not needed

[Rapier46]

Here is a mockup of the final engine mounts. This is how they will come, but painted of course. Mckinney has also been working on a powerglide transmission mount which is now done. Additionally, they will work on T-56, T5, and Turbo type transmissions. For now, they support the glide, TKO series, muncie, and saganaw based transmissions.

They will be working on finishing up the headers this week and hopefully have the pan and pick up tube finished next week. The pan will need to be modified in the back to support a rear sump style pump, since the pan was originally designed for front sump pumps that are shorter. There is plenty of room in the back to drop the sheet metal of the pan down.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/mountsdone.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/mounts2/powerglide.jpg

what's with the half-car action?

[FloridaRacing]

lightweight....

its a mockup 1/2 cut......

[FloridaRacing]

Techline Coatings came by and did some stuff on the motor. All chrome pieces are black chrome, except the red valve cover breathers. The black pieces were the air cleaner, valve covers, water neck, and distributor hold down clamp.

The intake manifold is coated with a thermal reflecting coating that is also oil shedding. So it will block any incoming heat out. Also the water cross over was coated to keep the heat in the coolant line and out of the air temperature. Coating it on the bottom will keep the oil in the lifter valley from keeping oil on the bottom. Inside the intake manifold is a textured coating that keeps the intake manifold from being too smooth inside and promotes proper tumbling so a good air/fuel mixture.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/coatings1.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/coatings2.jpg

[Antihero983]

what transmission are you using again? i think i missed it.

[Otto347]

You gunna clear the stock hood or what?

[VQMaxFan]

Looks good, looks like spark plugs will be fun to change on #'s 5 and 7.

what transmission are you using again? i think i missed it.

tko600

[yokotas13]

so, is there going ot be a cmoplete swap kit?
oil pan, pickup, header and mounts available

[FloridaRacing]

yea, tko 600

clear the hood? Don't know but doubt it.

Yes there will be a complete kit available. Mount kit is done ($350 for engine and trans from Mckinney), the oil pan and pickup just got sent out to be spec'ed and mass produced, pickup tube will be one piece. Headers are also available whenever.

[FloridaRacing]

Been a couple weeks since a real update. A large shipment of random parts showed up, everything from fittings to a 3200 CFM fan. There is a few more pieces to get and it will be ready to go.

The production oil pans and pickup tubes should be in mid next week. Looking to hopefully install sometime in Feb.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/parts.jpg

[Flicktitty]

looking great.

LMK when a complete kit is all done (oil pan,mounts,headers,etc.

[FloridaRacing]

Came into today. These are DAMN nice pieces. The pickup tube is super thick and comes with 1st or 2nd main cap bolting options.

The pan is fully baffled and should hold 6-7 quarts and even has a drain bolt for the rear sump area

Final production engine mounts, slotted to allow for a little adjustability and triangulated for strength. That is the transmission mount for the TKO/Muncie style transmissions. Final checking will happen Monday but there shouldn't be any issues.

$450 for the pan and pickup, $350 for engine/trans mounts. They are working on a T5 and T56 trans mount.

$800 and you can BOLT IN a small block Chevy with no other modifications except for a little firewall massaging for the bell housing.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/banbaffle.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/finalmounts.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/finalpan.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/pickuptube.jpg

[Flicktitty]

$800 isn't too bad something to think about.

thanks for everything.

[FloridaRacing]

headers will prob be in the 450-500 range

[UsJdmTUner]

how much for your motor setup and can you list the parts

[victorw210]

so once the t5 transmission mounts are done can you use any of these transmissions listed here Borg-Warner T-5 transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg-Warner_T-5_transmission) or am i wrong and thats something different.

and what does a tko 600 come from and how do you setup the clutch setup do you use stock clutch master cylinder and use custom tubing to the slave cylinder

[FloridaRacing]

how much for your motor setup and can you list the parts

Major parts to replicate, estimated costs. Though you can find SBCs cheaper

Dart SHP shortblock, all forged internals, 10:1 compression - $4000
Dart Pro 1 215cc top end kit (intake, heads, valvecovers, gaskets, bolts) - $2000
TCI rattler balancer - $300
Front sump oil pan and pickup - $450
comp cams 3 piece timing cover - $270
Comp Cams billet timing set - $100
Comp Cams 12-443-8 cam - $270
Comp Cams magnum OEM spider style Hydraulic lifters - $230
comp magnum pushrods - $100
comp magnum steel roller rockers - $285
pertronix distributor - $250
Holley 830 CFM 4150 HP NASCAR carb - $700

$9000

thats minus front drive accessories, starter, transmission, fuel pump, hosing, misc stuff.

[FloridaRacing]

so once the t5 transmission mounts are done can you use any of these transmissions listed here Borg-Warner T-5 transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg-Warner_T-5_transmission) or am i wrong and thats something different.

and what does a tko 600 come from and how do you setup the clutch setup do you use stock clutch master cylinder and use custom tubing to the slave cylinder

tko is just a high performance tremec transmission built off the muncie 4 speed transmission, it wasn't offered in any car. clutch is a standard 350/4 speed combo. Using an internal hydraulic release bearing with a braided -3an line to the slave.

[victorw210]

so once the t5 transmission mounts are done could i use any of those transmissions listed in the link i posted

[FloridaRacing]

dunno. give mckinney a call.

[kalypso123]

thats dope... headers are crazy,

altogether nice work, I love it.

[FloridaRacing]

Thank you!

[!Zar!]

ARD Josh had a SBC swap in his s13 I believe.

Hit him up if you have any questions.

[FloridaRacing]

Final mounts and fitted oil pan, everything is done and ready to go. The oil pan is going to hold EIGHT+ quarts. Shifter is almost offset enough, it will have a small spacer to line it up perfectly center.

Hoping to get this thing in during the weekend of the 21st

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/1.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/2.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/3.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/4.jpg

[g6civcx]

The hardest thing in doing driveline alignment is you want proper propeller shaft alignment with the rear diff.

How are you doing this part without the diff in the mock-up car?

[FloridaRacing]

It's marked in the tunnel, plus they have been building S and Z chassis mount kits for years.

[FloridaRacing]

The custom front sump oil pickup tube and pan is mounted on the small block. The bracket for the pickup tube had to be modified slightly to allow for proper clearance on the 3.75" stroke. The pan will hold over 8 quarts and has built in trap doors to keep the oil where it needs to be under cornering. There is also a rear sump drain bolt to allow for the oil around the oil pump to be drained.

The engine will be back over at the shop tomorrow where I will begin prepping it for front drive system and the SPEC clutch and flywheel to make way for the Quartermaster hydraulic release bearing.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/banbaffle.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/panon1.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/panon2.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/panon3.jpg

[SicBastard]

How close to the bottom of the pan does the pickup come?

That engine looks great btw!

[Sthrteen]

Dam..I might interested, Have you met Tommy aka Doland aka body by Buddha, Floridaracing, he's good friends with the mckinneys, anyways...
My dad has a small block 350 he built up and was going to put it into his 68 Chevy Nova but he's slacking and I told him i was going to take that motor if he didn't drop it in. now that I see this coming true I'm really becoming interested. also knowing how much of a Chevy head my dad is, and has parts galor in the garage, I'm really liking it.

[gunluvS14]

looking great so far, I'm anxious to see how you going to make the driver side header to clear the steering shaft

[FloridaRacing]

pan to bottom i think is about 1/4 inch.

headers are already done

Wait til you all hear the car, I gurantee that will make up people's minds alone

[Touge Noob S13]

So thats why you came to the shop today to take pics. Mack and Gary do great work.

[FloridaRacing]

Yes they do, even better they are 1/8th a mile from my work.

[Touge Noob S13]

Yes they do, even better they are 1/8th a mile from my work.


I helped a little bit on that engine since Im working as an intern there.

[FloridaRacing]

I installed the full serpentine drive system last night.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/KRC.jpg

[SicBastard]

I bet having her start to look finished felt good!
Looks Proper!

[FloridaRacing]

With my travel schedule, March 16th is going to be the start day. Work til it runs. Between now and then I will be prepping the engine and transmission to get it ready.

[FloridaRacing]

Progress on the Engine:

SPEC Aluminum flywheel and Stage 3 sprung clutch installed
Coolant temp Sensor in intake manifold installed
Holley Fuel Log installed
Distributor Re-TDCed, headers mocked up and 1/2 the distributor wires are made

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/0218_1.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/0218_2.jpg

[g6civcx]

Coolant temp Sensor in intake manifold installed


Any reason for this compared to the OEM location on the head?

[Flicktitty]

looking great!

[FloridaRacing]

Any reason for this compared to the OEM location on the head?

You can get temp variations in aluminum heads, the standard aftermarket wise is in the cross over pipe

[S14cagged]

What type of Spec clutch is that???

Do you think the transmission is going to hold up?

I am acutally about to begin on a Single Turbo 400sbc 300zx and trying to get a couple idea's before i start buying parts.

What are you gonna do for a rear-end? i know like hell that dinky ass r200 will hold for then 5 minutes and i dont even think the 300zx will hold when you start spraying that bad boy.

[mondojackal]

I installed the full serpentine drive system last night.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/KRC.jpgThat's not serpentine.
What type of Spec clutch is that???

Do you think the transmission is going to hold up?

I am acutally about to begin on a Single Turbo 400sbc 300zx and trying to get a couple idea's before i start buying parts.

What are you gonna do for a rear-end? i know like hell that dinky ass r200 will hold for then 5 minutes and i dont even think the 300zx will hold when you start spraying that bad boy.The R200 was in the N/A 300ZX as well as in the S-chassis cars. The TT had a different rear end. However, the R200 really isn't that weak. Friend of mine had 720whp going through one for a while. No problems with it. On drag radials, too.

If you have a Z32 300ZX and you really just have to have a larger diff, then I'd just get a TT diff. It's an R230. It's got a pretty serious power handling capability.

[irax]

That's not serpentine.

what ever, its a belt system.

[FloridaRacing]

What type of Spec clutch is that???

Do you think the transmission is going to hold up?

I am acutally about to begin on a Single Turbo 400sbc 300zx and trying to get a couple idea's before i start buying parts.

What are you gonna do for a rear-end? i know like hell that dinky ass r200 will hold for then 5 minutes and i dont even think the 300zx will hold when you start spraying that bad boy.

Tremec rates the trans to 600 ft/tq and has been known to take 700 without issues

Spec Stage 3 sprung hub with aluminum flywheel and billet pressure plate upgrade

R200s handle 800-900 HP without issues, its just the axles that need upgraded

After I get the car running for a few months, I am going to do a single turbo carb blow thru combo on this motor.

[FloridaRacing]

Really busy, but here is what she looked like last night.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/finished/in1.jpg

[Flicktitty]

dude..clean the engine bay....

[FloridaRacing]

I did, it had 2-3 mil of oil caked all over it. I will worry about that all later.

[Antihero983]

um soooooo would you be willing to make an engine mount for me?

[FloridaRacing]

go to mckinney's site, they have all that shit there

[FloridaRacing]

After only being able to work on the car for 2.5 days, I left the car to Mckinney Motorsports to finish. They were really busy with other projects before mine, but they have been working on it here and there during my 11 day long business trip. The car really only needed probably another 7-10 hours of wiring and other misc things. The car is nearly complete and should be running Monday-Tuesday. Mckinney was nice enough to send me some updated shots since I have been gone.

Yes I plan to clean the engine bay better after it runs. Follow the captions

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/04032009_1.jpg

Engine with the tall, single plane intake manifold and air cleaner nearly clears. Some risers in the back may help and not require a cut out in the hood. Modified upper radiator inlet to allow for a direct shot. The large 3 core radiator was recessed in the core support some to allow for a little more space (but could have been done without).

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/04032009_2.jpg

Debris shield to keep anything coming off the tire from hitting my Holley 150 GPH billet fuel pump or Earls fuel filter.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/04032009_3.jpg

Cut out for the 15 gallon cell, fuel pump sits level to the sump. All of the fuel system is complete.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/04032009_4.jpg

The one piece driveshaft, and you can see the fuel lines running to the front.

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/04032009_5.jpg

All new power steering lines.

[SicBastard]

Looks great. Sure will be nice to come home to that! Where are PS lines from?

[FloridaRacing]

They are just braided lines and 90 6an fittings assembled together

[SicBastard]

They are just braided lines and 90 6an fittings assembled together

Were the female threads in the rack 6 AN?

[FloridaRacing]

no, i cant remember the type of thread

[FloridaRacing]

Yea, she sounds good

Street Legal TV : Riced Rat Rod runs good (http://video.streetlegaltv.com/video_detail.php?mId=8555)

[flip3d]

Pics arent showing up?

[bardabe]

Looks good amigo

[Touge Noob S13]

Heard it in person, that thing is loud! That car is going to need a real good wash once its done.

[FloridaRacing]

engine bay is gonna get a simple green wash

[FloridaRacing]

Exhaust on. Should be driving her home tomorrow

www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/exhaust.mov

[Dee]

Congrats, sounds mean! post up some driving videos.

I've been thinking once I get another car im going to probably sell my SR and go this route except I'd do a Ford 302 swap with a tremec world class T5 tranny.

[Otto347]

You bringing it to Desoto this weekend ;)

[FloridaRacing]

We had a hell of a time with the charging system. I have spent countless hours going through wiring diagrams on why I cannot get the alternator to create more than 12 volts at idle. The problem ended up being something so stupid I didn't recognize before. The pulley setup is a 15% reduction, meaning that the alternator is actually spinning 15% slower than the engine, in which was not making it work. On these Delco style alternators, they need to be above 2000 rpm (at the alternator) to create voltage. So now I need to spend money on a larger crank pulley and a smaller alternator pulley to help this problem and create a positive ratio in which the alternator is spinning faster than the engine.

[FloridaRacing]

Here are my weights, which puts the split at .5% off from stock, and 24 pounds more dry than a stock S13, with all interior there and 1/2 tank of gas. I weigh about 180, so figures will be a little higher. coilovers arent set, hence the left to right variance.


EMPTY
LF 771 RF 780
LR 612 RR 594
TOTAL 2754
CROSS 50.4
REAR 43.7 %

DRIVER 135#
LF 808 RF 800
LR 669 RR 605
CROSS 51%
REAR 44.2 5
L-R 51%

DRIVER 160#
LF 822 RF 800
LR 685 RR 615
CROSS 50.8
L-R 51.5
REAR 44.4 %

[FloridaRacing]

Here is a little preview of what it will look like in 2-4 months. Flat black with the DMAX Type 1 kit, +40 front and +50 rears with a stock hood, brick headlights, and a TRA/6666 NASCAR spoiler. Forgeline ZX3 in around a 18x10 -10 F and 18x11 -15 R. So a much deeper offset, closer to the picture below but with a gunmetal/titanium lip and a matte black center (like the photoshop).

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/soon.jpg

http://www.forgeline.com/product_images/product_photo-xlarge_image-199.jpg

[cnichols]

Are you sure the lines you used for power steering are rated for that pressure? I used teflon lined stainless steel because I was afraid that normal rubber interior hose would not hold the pressure over time. Just a thought.

[brewster240]

nice, impalla ss headers look sweet.

[FloridaRacing]

Are you sure the lines you used for power steering are rated for that pressure? I used teflon lined stainless steel because I was afraid that normal rubber interior hose would not hold the pressure over time. Just a thought.

It is being swapped to a stainless line this week

[FloridaRacing]

She is still running. Put a wide band in her today.

[mrchomponthis]

do i see a street stock?
Progress on the Engine:

SPEC Aluminum flywheel and Stage 3 sprung clutch installed
Coolant temp Sensor in intake manifold installed
Holley Fuel Log installed
Distributor Re-TDCed, headers mocked up and 1/2 the distributor wires are made

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/0218_1.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/0218_2.jpg

[mrchomponthis]

This is beautiful!

[FloridaRacing]

do i see a street stock?

Yeppers, on the dyno

[NISNPWR]

Wow good work, should be a beautiful car when you get it all finished up?

[Flicktitty]

good stuff man, any more pics?

[FloridaRacing]

I need to go shoot some new ones...

[Gordo714]

nice build been a chevy fan way before nissan best of both worlds....

[FloridaRacing]

Thanksssssssss

[FloridaRacing]

Coming soon...

http://www.fordmuscle.com/forums/attachments/advertiser-announcements/7524d1238651140-fast-ez-efi-self-tuning-fuel-injection-30226-kit.jpg

[SicBastard]

If you're going to bother ditching the carb why not go with port injection?

[FloridaRacing]

Because we are testing the EZ-EFI for FAST via my car.

[Reginald Laughland]

It drives me crazy that none of the pictures work for me... :(

[FloridaRacing]

Well what the hell. I guess my site is down. I'll email the server owners.

[FloridaRacing]

Going to Irwindale tomorrow to get some 1/8th mile times out of it. Still on the peg leg.

[SicBastard]

What tires are you going to be running?

[FloridaRacing]

The smallest M/T drag radials made, 235/60/15 on the stock tear drops

[lazysk8er2]

Going to Irwindale tomorrow to get some 1/8th mile times out of it. Still on the peg leg.


weld that bitch up.

also need some updated pics and a time slip!

[vaughn4]

We really need to see some pictures!!!!!!

[FloridaRacing]

I'll weld it up, just haven't had time.

I'll get some updated shots today

[Flicktitty]

The smallest M/T drag radials made, 235/60/15 on the stock tear drops
ha. 1 wheel wonder with a 235 drag radial and a 700hp SBC = spinning the 1/8th mile.

can't wait to see more pics/vids of the car.

i run a 225 D/r and leaving on about 10psi the car actually hooks, which suprised the hell out of me. then again i have half the power you do.

[FloridaRacing]

700hp is on nitrous, only running on motor = 523hp

[DJPimpFlex]

I skimmed the thread, and I'm not sure if its been mentioned, but did you rivet the strut towers rather than seam welding?

[FloridaRacing]

Neither is done

[FloridaRacing]

First time to the track with the car, no diff and I didnt want to break parts so I was running higher tire pressure and leaving soft. It will go 7.20s or so when I get it dialed in (low 11s/high 10s in the quarter mile)

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/240.mov

[FloridaRacing]

Had my 510 and my SBC'd 240 out at the Datsun Heritage car show with my lovely girlfriend. Nice day

http://www.floridaracing.org/510/011110/IMG_2903.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/510/011110/IMG_2906.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/510/011110/IMG_2908.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/510/011110/IMG_2913.jpg

http://www.floridaracing.org/510/011110/IMG_2920.jpg

[FloridaRacing]

Holley TV : Holleys New Ultra Series Aluminum Carburetors (http://www.holleytv.com/video/12932)

[SicBastard]

"Street Legal TV"

Lol

[Slo_240sx]

Car sounds damn healthy. Where in Oceanside are you at? I'd like to check the car out, I got an LS1 S13.

[FloridaRacing]

I need to change that, I actually live in Corona now, up by the 91 and 15

[Slo_240sx]

Yeah I know where that is. I talked to a few guys that say there another S13 coupe running around up there with an LS1.

[FloridaRacing]

There is an S14 around here too, red one with an LS2 in it.

[FloridaRacing]

FAST EZ EFI, new fuel system and new mallory ignition - going to finish it up Monday -

http://www.floridaracing.org/V8S13/EFI.jpg

[Flicktitty]

that looks badass!