F1 racing not really racing anymore...

[TheWolf]

F1 : Sweeping regulation changes agreed - FIA - F1-Live.com (http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081212140850.shtml)


engine life doubled again... 18k rpm max now.. no useful wind tunnel data (60% scale and 110mph top speed)

more emphasis on "Sporting spectacle"

next year they ditch tire warmers, refueling, and may shorten races.. have a universal gearbox...

sounds like a ferrari win in the bag... they banned everything they sucked at..

[S14Cuhh]

i agree. one other thing is sequential/ paddle shifting. i think the h patter plays into driver skill and they should be put back to the old ways of 'fishing for gear'


good thread for the F1 enthusiasts

[shishcabobers]

That's some intense reductions, but yeah I blame it on the crap economy.

[kingkilburn]

I think I would like to see more and shorter races.
I think ditching tire warmers will only cause unneeded problems on track.
I really don't understand the wind tunnel restrictions.

I love making it cheaper for independent teams to run. Every one expects factory teams to dominate but when you can get more private teams in there it really mixes it up.

[HyperTek]

man the hell!! thats what makes f1 - f1. lol
I usually have to check my resources to make sure whatever i hear someone say about f1 is true.. Formula One news: FIA reveals major cost-cutting measures - GPUpdate.net Formula One (http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2008/12/12/fia-reveals-major-cost-cutting-measures/)

This is open wheel racing.. not door bangers lol..

I think more teams will turn to simulators for testing of ideas.. Theres already some decent simulations but probably need some that can do aerodynamics.

[C. Senor]

f1 is definitely going to be more interesting to see.

[GSXRJJordan]

I fought the "factory teams" when I raced CCS/WERA in 2005 (sportbikes), and there is definitely something to be said for helping privateers be competitive (that's why they limited the wind-tunnel testing, because Ferrari has a full-sized wind tunnel they reportedly run 24/7).

Aside from that, I agree with HyperTek - F1 is F1 because it's all out, no expense spared, develop the fastest shit you can. Bringing it closer to Nascar/Indy with their incredibly strict regulations on equipment will only mean closer racing and (hopefully not, but probably) more accidents as drivers push even closer to the edge for points - they're still the highest paid athletes in the world, even without Schumacher.

Sigh @ F1, for this crap, and for not broadcasting races in HD.

[ryguy]

How is it "not racing anymore"? If anything its more like racing now and less like a technology showcase.

[TheWolf]

How is it "not racing anymore"? If anything its more like racing now and less like a technology showcase.

F1 is about cutting edge technology.. fastest car and driver combo... the problem is the movement towards a universal engine and gearbox.. for one.. teams will shed hundreds of jobs when this happens but second.. it's not about the fastest.. If you've ever been to a F1 race it's like a money no object must win event... now with requiring engines to run even longer people will have no incentive to finish if they arn't in the points. The engines loose about 20-25hp right now between race 1 and race 2.. let alone race 3 and 4 now. I'd hate to see tactics on engine life interfere with racing. I'd also think tire warmers only effect the start of the race and are minimal in cost and everyone owns a couple of sets already so, this must be for more "sporting spectacle" during the grid start.

[SoSideways]

I agree with the fact that, the more rules imposed on F1, the more crap it becomes.

Seriously, F1 is getting dumbed down to what's basically GP2 now.

I might as well just watch GP2 and get it over with.

[renegade_ewok]

F1 has been fucking up the past 2 years...

Here's how I think it should be...

Keep the pneumatic gearbox, rev limit @ 20k, slicks are ok, TC off, keep displacement limit, have no limit on aerodynamics but limit chassis materials (which is all carbon fiber anyway), give em a burnout box (lol) or keep tire warmers, race length depends on course (make some long, some short) and allow a rebuild after every race weekend.

[xblack240x]

I like what ^^ said. I also agree completely that the more rules, the worse it gets. Dammit, I liked F1 when I was a kid...

[Z33dori]

wtf

F1 gets gayer and gayer every year...

looks like i'll stick to watching Rolex series.... hopefully it won't fail to much now that nascar owns it

[idriveattz32]

yeah im dissappointed with the direction its heading...i'd rather see them not even race for a couple of years. its one thing when spec-series race event comes into existance because you go into it knowing everything is spec'd out, but with F1 everyone will agree its about the techology and going beyond the limits of everything else. if you can't pay, then dont play (Honda).

Making things last longer doesnt help cost all too much either, the engineers have already came out and said that they throw away more and more parts now because they have to build to higher tolerances of perfection to get these engines/trans to last longer.

beyond the changes they made for 2008, im finding it tough to find the coming seasons enjoyable and dont get me started on the medal championship system...Im a huge Massa fan and Im still against medals instead of points. Change the points system yes, but dont use faggy medals.

if things continue, I suspect this could be Ferraris last year in F1, they participate in enough spec races, F1 shouldnt be another.

FIA is also ruining WRC, but thats a whole other thread to start there.

In all honesty, i would love to see more Race of Champion events globally, differents cars per venue...how awesome would that be.

[HyperTek]

well i dont give a fuck.. no racing series can beat f1.. in my eyes that is. F1 will forever be teh spectacle of motor racing. Its like watching real life anime lol, everyone is rivals, everyone has background stories and builds their own car, everyone wants the win just as bad, just some lack the amount of funds, so they are the underdogs who never get to place.

No racing series is perfect, others are just more limited than what F1 is. Like when they saw hamilton win the championship, did someone realize "oh fuck he won and he didnt win the most races, lets change that because its unfair!!" bullshit happens..

They are trying to keep it entertaining and still make the most profit from sponsors, sales etc..

[HyperTek]

gahhhh stupid medal system... whoever gets the most gold medals wins the drivers championship... so lets say kimi wins 7 races, then quits the season and no one else can get 7 wins.. thats wack.

Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone hopes to introduce a medal system as of next season. Such a medal system should bring more excitement to the fans as Ecclestone expects drivers to fight a bit harder for a golden medal and thus fans should expect more overtaking.

Ecclestone's idea is that instead of points the drivers should be awarded with medals but only the top three would receive a medal while the constructors' championship would continue with the classic points system. The driver with the most gold medals in a season will win the Formula 1 world championship.

Bernie Ecclestone explained at F1's official website: "Well, quite simply, it will make Formula One a much more exciting spectacle because it will incentivise drivers to race to win. We should see much more overtaking, drivers will take more chances and they will race each other all the way to the chequered flag. At the moment, quite often we see drivers settling for second, third or fourth position, and the race can be dull in the final stint after the last round of pit stops. The drivers aren't to blame, they're racers, but the scoring system forces them to be too conservative. As things are, if they want to take the title, it is better to settle for a few, safe points rather than chase down the guy in front and risk going home with no points.

"But this is Formula One, the pinnacle of world motorsport, and only the best driver should win the title. Being a Formula One world champion is not about being a consistent and reliable runner-up. It's about racing hard, taking chances and not settling for second best. Last year, Hamilton was leading the drivers' championship before he had even secured his maiden win. Likewise, after Canada this year, Kubica led the drivers' championship on points even though Hamilton, Massa and Raikkonen had all won more races. Lewis and Robert are both extremely talented, but I don't think the system should produce that kind of result. It shouldn't be possible for someone to be crowned world champion without winning a single race, but that really could happen unless we change the scoring system."

this shit was never a problem until Hamilton won it,.. and now Bernie Ecclestone thinks its unfair.. even tho they been doin that system for years....

Its getting kinda annoying seeing F1 cater to all these 18-19 year old rookies now.. Its like the NBA draft now =(

[ESmorz]

I remember watching F1 when I was kid. Shit was the business.

Now it's like Nascar without the annoying southern accents.