HID on Stock Headlights

[Gordo714]

i have the whole hid assebly 8000k but they are only for the high beams
i was wondering what would happen if i plugged in the balast to the stock headlight... anyone one ever done this or heard of it thanks

[Sileighty_85]

ppl will die, blinding everyone as you drive by or are in the beams of your head lights.

But wait till Ixfxi chimes in lol hell let you know whats up

[AznDrftr.]

High beams? lol, yea blind people for sure.

I run two sets of HID's on my car. 8k and 12k. Lovely. Buuutt, i point them down just a little bit so it doesnt blind people.

[projectRDM]

Anything above 6000k is just blue light, so you're getting maybe 60% of the usable light you could have with correct bulbs. This doesn't even take into account using them in the wrong housings like you plan to do.

[bardabe]

2 words

GLARE MOBILE

[dorkjoey240]

not a good idea. :down:

[devnull]

Wait wait...are you asking what would happen if you plugged the HID ballast into the standard bulbs?

Either they would burn out quickly or they wouldn't work. Either way you risk damage to the ballasts, which may result in some various bad things happening.

[ramman434]

Putting High Intensity bulbs (a shitty HID kit) into a Halogen housing/projector is a no-no. If you want HID's do it the right way the first time and retro-fit OEM Xenon projectors

[jdm538]

i have seen a few s13's with HID's in h4 housings. its pretty much a flood light listen to everyone on the forum and just do not do it.

[napaKAliboog]

I USED TO HAVE THIS, AHAHA IN 3400K IT WAS WORSE! Drivers behind would always wonder why the freeway signs would bling them with golden lite ahahah
but this was when i was 17 amd a dumb fucken idiot so DONT DO IT!

[Gordo714]

Wait wait...are you asking what would happen if you plugged the HID ballast into the standard bulbs?

Either they would burn out quickly or they wouldn't work. Either way you risk damage to the ballasts, which may result in some various bad things happening.
... thanks
i dont think i want to try it. im just going to stick with my highbeams and point them down slightly... thanks everyone

[fliprayzin240sx]

... thanks
i dont think i want to try it. im just going to stick with my highbeams and point them down slightly... thanks everyone


Umm...how about you just not run them. No matter how low you point down your high beams, you will still blind people. High beams doesnt have any damn cut-offs. Hence the reason you have high beams and low beams. If your really set on running these gheto "HIDs", go buy the same debased HID bulbs for your low beam. Still gheto but wont be as fucking horrible as what your planning on doing.

[ro240sx]

those lights do blind. Ive seen them myself.

[Howard92884]

I'm guessing you have a S13? Just buy some H4 housings and select the Hella +50% xenon.
Susquehanna MotorSports - Detail (http://www.rallylights.com/detail.aspx?ID=744)
This is someones elses car with the same setup.
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k405/jonnel540/one.jpg
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k405/jonnel540/four.jpg

[hpipro4]

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[murda-c]

that's bad.

[Propaganda]

hpipro4.. i see no cutoff

[nani]

they're not projectors.... They just have alittle piece of concave glass attached there, to make it look cool I guess

[cxlo8331]

yeah, that cutoff is no good.

gordo- i would not recommend pointing them down and driving around with them on. as stated earlier by fliprayzin, there is no cutoff on high beams. if you look at most cars w/ seperate high/low beams, the low beams have shields and highs do not. if for s14, you are better off purchasing another kit for the low.

ideally retrofit is best.

something like this:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/mnm619/IMG_4181.jpg

which produces a cutoff like this:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/mnm619/IMG_4203.jpg

hit up mmm858 for more details.

[ryguy]

Are you running around at the moment around doing city driving with your high beams on? I hope not, because if you are somebody should punch you in the face.

[soreballz]

im have this hid/headlite conversion on my 92' fastback and its not that bad.....
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8405/dsc03121ci2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
"Not that bad"? Good god man, that shit is HORRIBLE!

[VQMaxFan]

im have this hid/headlite conversion on my 92' fastback and its not that bad.....

H4 10K HID & Projector H4 housing

looks like this....


Wow you deserve to be kicked in the balls.

[sbanzer123]

besides having shitty light output. why are you guys all bitching about blinding people with your hid hi beams. i know that when i have my high beams on and i see a car i turn them off.

[Gordo714]

before when i did not have them adjusted people would always flash there highbeams as they drove the oppisite way. a cop even pointed his flood light at me once but have not got pulled over yet. (knock on wood)
now that i have them adjusted people dont seem to mind on count that they are really low.
ill get some pictures of mine tonight

[Mangudai]

Maybe I need to clean my headlights but my stock headlight output is absolutely terrible compared to other cars on the road. As ugly as I think it is a retrofit is the right way to go if you do HID. Have you looked into upgrade to higher quality halogen bulbs?

[ryguy]

besides having shitty light output. why are you guys all bitching about blinding people with your hid hi beams. i know that when i have my high beams on and i see a car i turn them off.

You must not live in a city or the suburbs, because if you did there's no way you could ever drive around with high beams on and not be an asshole.

[Gordo714]

did not have a chance to get a pic of them.......Tonight For Sure
and lets see some pic of other peoples HIDs Also list some specs.

[theronin]

lol @ this thread. stop being ghetto please. you are giving us all a bad name.

[MongolPup]

Hmmm I have 4300k in a Kouki, picture: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/MongolPup/IMG00143.jpg

[MongolPup]

That's a slanted driveway, I just wanted to show the cut off/right side lift.

[VQMaxFan]

lol @ this thread. stop being ghetto please. you are giving us all a bad name.

word, retina rape isn't cool

:coolugh: i should make a sticker lol

[BustedS13]

You must not live in a city or the suburbs, because if you did there's no way you could ever drive around with high beams on and not be an asshole.

rofl

i'm seriously.

[firelizard]

im have this hid/headlite conversion on my 92' fastback and its not that bad.....

H4 10K HID & Projector H4 housing


looks like this....

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8405/dsc03121ci2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
:smash::duh::bowrofl:

What the hell is that?
That's the most horrible 'cutoff' I've ever seen!

Those headlights are what, lenses stuck in the middle of an H4 conversion housing? Absolutely retarded.

[hpipro4]

hpipro4.. i see no cutoff

there is...see the curb light on the top thats the curb metal peice that goes underneath the hid bulb. if you take out the metal peice you would see full circle light and curb light wont be there!

[soreballz]

^You don't understand the concept of proper lighting output at all, do you?

[hpipro4]

:smash::duh::bowrofl:

What the hell is that?
That's the most horrible 'cutoff' I've ever seen!

Those headlights are what, lenses stuck in the middle of an H4 conversion housing? Absolutely retarded.

its an h4 what do you expect....why what do you run on ur s13????or do you even have one!

[hpipro4]

"Not that bad"? Good god man, that shit is HORRIBLE!

i know!!!which headlite are you using???

Wow you deserve to be kicked in the balls.

awwwww dat hurts......

^You don't understand the concept of proper lighting output at all, do you?

i guess not....thats why im here correct???

[soreballz]

Okay, first of all, do you see what I've done here? The site has a nifty little feature called "Multi-quote". You should use it. One post is better than four. Now...

its an h4 what do you expect....
Well, you can expect plenty from H4s. Get a good H4 headlamp housing such as Cibie or Hella and use quality bulbs, and you can expect fantastic lighting. You don't even need to run any shitty rebased HID kit in the housings to get good lighting.

i know!!!which headlite are you using???
Silverstars. One of my stock headlights blew out, and the only thing left in stock at Autozone that night was the Silverstars. They suck, but thats okay. I don't drive much at night anyway.

i guess not....thats why im here correct???
We're only giving you shit because you posted up a setup that is quite possibly the most janky fucking thing we've ever seen here, and you said it was decent. Clearly, it is NOT decent; it is absolute garbage.

[hpipro4]

nice feature....anywayz

that was the only thing i could afford when i needed an h4 conversion housing cause i hated running sealed beams.....live and learn right!

what housing would you recommend if i stick with hid??

thanks for helpin the brotha out....

[soreballz]

^Cibie or Hella.

But its still gonna look like butt with HIDs in them. And not good butt like J-Lo or Vida Guerra... I'm talking 400 pound whale of a woman butt. NASTY.

[hacknik]

Well, you can expect plenty from H4s. Get a good H4 headlamp housing such as Cibie or Hella and use quality bulbs, and you can expect fantastic lighting. You don't even need to run any shitty rebased HID kit in the housings to get good lighting.


This may be the nooobest question ever. But what kind of bulbs can be used in an H4 housing? Since you say HID's are shit. Bi-Xenons (or others) im assuming?

[murda-c]

This may be the nooobest question ever. But what kind of bulbs can be used in an H4 housing? Since you say HID's are shit. Bi-Xenons (or others) im assuming?


H4 halogens.

35w.

[soreballz]

^What he said. Lots of companies make bulbs that fit the bill. Try clearcorners.com

[aziankingz]

hpipro.. what kind of projectors did you retrofit into your h4 housings?

i just picked up a pair of h4 headlights with silvia projectors retrofitted into them..anyone know how well that would be with hids?

[firelizard]

its an h4 what do you expect....why what do you run on ur s13????or do you even have one!
A normal beam pattern. ie: http://www.ualberta.ca/%7Ejkm1/pics/headlights/subiebulbs4.jpg

Yes, I do even have an S13.

hpipro.. what kind of projectors did you retrofit into your h4 housings?
He doesn't have projectors, they just look like projectors. They're ghetto eBay units.

i just picked up a pair of h4 headlights with silvia projectors retrofitted into them..anyone know how well that would be with hids?Silvia as in S15 with factory HID, or previous models' projectors?

This may be the nooobest question ever. But what kind of bulbs can be used in an H4 housing?
H4 halogen

[aziankingz]

seems to be non s15 projectors.

[LA_phantom_240]

nice feature....anywayz

that was the only thing i could afford when i needed an h4 conversion housing cause i hated running sealed beams.....live and learn right!

what housing would you recommend if i stick with hid??

thanks for helpin the brotha out....

None. If you're gonna convert to HID, do a complete projector retrofit using OEM parts, or stay out of HID. Period.

[soreballz]

This thread would be cooler if Mike was posting/flaming. lol

[HyperTek]

hpipro4 pic aint bad, its just a horrible wall to shoot as reference. and 10k is a bit extreme... Id perfer 4k, 6k at most *i had installed 6k in my 190e, which had euro headlights and glare sheilds*

i had ubber jdm $$$ raybrig housings in my old s13 *sorry no HID, didnt want to put HID and attract extra police attention*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/streetphase/000_0006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/streetphase/lights1.jpg
*before you say there is glare, that was a new white garage door it will reflect anything, but.. considering ANYTHING IS A UPGRADE OVER STOCK ASS HEADLIGHTS. AND IT STILL IMPROVES YOUR VISIBILITY*

dispite the jdm rhd pattern, they where the tits with sylvania silverstars
when your zipping along on the freeway in the carpool lane and you could see the cut off light pattern along the left wall, looked soo nice.

Ive had friends who have cheap ebay housings and the light output is no where near those raybrigs. * I wish i had put some cheapos on my s13 when i got rid of it to keep those lights but didnt expect to get another car with 6054s a year later*

I got some Autopal H4 in the fc and they aint the best lol

[soreballz]

^The light output from the cheapo eBay housings and bulbs is flat out scary. I had a set once that came on a parts car. I had them on my car for all of one hour of night driving because I couldn't see shit! Dim stock headlamps are better than the eBay ones.

[hpipro4]

[quote=aziankingz;2534936]hpipro.. what kind of projectors did you retrofit into your h4 housings?

i didnt....they were like that when i bought it...

[Colorado S14]

I have run an HID kit in my stock S14 Kouki projectors for a long time and the cutoff was so nice that I never felt the need to upgrade to an OEM projector. If you do decide to buy a HID kit get a quality one, I ran a kit that constantly needed replacement ballasts and that is a major PITA.

[Matej]

HID's are rad.

I have HID's.

Why?

Because HID's are rad.

Do I care about anything else besides rad?

No.


http://www.matejblahut.com/photo/auto/garage/auto08200802.jpg
http://www.matejblahut.com/photo/auto/garage/auto08200803.jpg
http://www.matejblahut.com/photo/auto/garage/auto08200806.jpg

[hpipro4]

which housing are you using???

[LA_phantom_240]

which housing are you using???

Don't encourage him...

[LA_phantom_240]

HID's are rad.

I have HID's.

Why?

Because HID's are rad.

Do I care about anything else besides rad?

No.

:duh::nono:

[Sonic Motor]

afraid to get blind by people with HID? Why complaint like a lil b*tch...

Fight back with broadway mirrors! http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn128/sonicmotor/Craigslist/PC171632.jpg

becuz...you shouldn't have to sacrifice better lighting/visibility for shitty halogen lights! (http://zilvia.net/f/advertiser-specials-sales/230125-xmas-gift-ideas-inexpensive-stocking-stuffers.html)

[S14TEENZ]

yeah, that cutoff is no good.

gordo- i would not recommend pointing them down and driving around with them on. as stated earlier by fliprayzin, there is no cutoff on high beams. if you look at most cars w/ seperate high/low beams, the low beams have shields and highs do not. if for s14, you are better off purchasing another kit for the low.

ideally retrofit is best.

something like this:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/mnm619/IMG_4181.jpg

which produces a cutoff like this:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/mnm619/IMG_4203.jpg

hit up mmm858 for more details.


extremely F'IN SICK!!!!
NEED TO DO "A HOW TO POST" ON THESE BAD BOYS
NICE HEADLIGHTS

[murda-c]

cept for the extreme ugliness caused by those caps in the headlight next to the projectors, the ill fitting clear covers, and the fact that zenkis don't look right with clear covers.

[cxlo8331]

^true!
i'm not a total fan of how the look in the headlight, but you can't deny they look good at night and produce excellent cut off and beam pattern.
not my car btw.
the car belongs to mmm858.
he did the retrofit himself w/ tsx projectors iirc.
pm him for more details.

[fueled by hate]

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/giynmgs/240035.jpg

[bmar240sx]

Umm more pictures

[enkei2k]

sorry for the noob question but if it's cutoff that's the issue, won't those 'eyelids' or whatever sorta help with the glare/cutoff? not necessarily fix it 100% but at least make it not as bad.

[cxlo8331]

^no eylids will do nothing to improve cutoff.

[SuperSam]

I personally dont think that its a big deal to have HID's... i havem my self on my s13 w/ the front clip conversion and have 8000k bulbs and i have the triple projectors and not the bricks and the cut off is perfect and nomatter what they are just naturall bright as hell!!! so i still get that random person that flashes their high beams at me but it always turns out to be some old fart!!... i use to hate the too cuz they were so bright and blinded me too when some one would come up on me but thats the direction everyone is going.. theirs just gonna have to be some people thats gonna have to suck it up.... honestly thats the truth... You can bash on me for this if you wan but its still the truth...

[fueled by hate]

maybe people wouldn't flash you if you weren't using rhd projectors.

[EDacIouSX]

maybe people wouldn't flash you if you weren't using rhd projectors.

haha my thoughts exactly... it's not the HIDs...............

[SuperSam]

ive already adjusted them.... took'em to some guy that knew how to take'em appart(some old white guy) and fix'd it for me.... for FREE.95 and couldnt even tell the difference(visually on the lamps i mean)... they work great... hate if u want, they're perfectly fine...

[LA_phantom_240]

ive already adjusted them.... took'em to some guy that knew how to take'em appart(some old white guy) and fix'd it for me.... for FREE.95 and couldnt even tell the difference(visually on the lamps i mean)... they work great... hate if u want, they're perfectly fine...

Lies. Boldfaced lies.

You can take em apart all day, but the way those projectors are constructed, you can't just 'fix' them.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I personally dont think that its a big deal to have HID's... i havem my self on my s13 w/ the front clip conversion and have 8000k bulbs and i have the triple projectors and not the bricks and the cut off is perfect and nomatter what they are just naturall bright as hell!!! so i still get that random person that flashes their high beams at me but it always turns out to be some old fart!!... i use to hate the too cuz they were so bright and blinded me too when some one would come up on me but thats the direction everyone is going.. theirs just gonna have to be some people thats gonna have to suck it up.... honestly thats the truth... You can bash on me for this if you wan but its still the truth...

I care enough since it pisses me off when idiots like you blind the fuck out of me and takes me a fucking while to get my "night eyes" back on. All it takes is for you to blind me and have somebody cross the street in front of me 200 feet later for it to be a fucking big deal. :smash:

[warumono]

HID came with my s14, does anyone have a writeup on how to go back to regular lights, is it easy to do? (I know nothing about HIDs or how to install them.) anyhelp would be awesome.

[aziankingz]

i put these h4 headlights with silvia projectors retrofitted in them and they arent that bad.. not really blinding to oncoming traffic either.. just smaller beam and light output.

[Gordo714]

awww no more HID for me... one of my ballast flew out my car i dont know what happen just noticed that my right head light was out. and when i got home i popped the hood and the wires were ripped off the ballast even disconected my fog lights on the way down .....sucks.......so if anyone needs a single hid or know some one get at me..........

[LA_phantom_240]

awww no more HID for me... one of my ballast flew out my car i dont know what happen just noticed that my right head light was out. and when i got home i popped the hood and the wires were ripped off the ballast even disconected my fog lights on the way down .....sucks.......so if anyone needs a single hid or know some one get at me..........

Good. Time for you to go back to Halogen.

[Gordo714]

yeah i went back already not that bad because when i bought the 5x7 open lense head lights they came with a pair of bulbs....oh well life goes on.

[Pacman]

The retro kits don't kook that bad. The one using the TSX housings I like. How do yu retro fit them, take the TSX headlights apart and put in Zenki housings? I'm curious. Maybe a write-up or is there any one around?

Say what you want, its MY car, I make it how I want and can care less what others say about it. :hsdance:

[LA_phantom_240]

The retro kits don't kook that bad. The one using the TSX housings I like. How do yu retro fit them, take the TSX headlights apart and put in Zenki housings? I'm curious. Maybe a write-up or is there any one around?

Say what you want, its MY car, I make it how I want and can care less what others say about it. :hsdance:

You pretty much take the projectors out of the TSX headlamps, cut up your stock lamps to make them fit and aim correctly, then find a way to hold it all together water tight and all... then just wire up your ballasts, relays, etc.

[!Zar!]

There are so many cheap and stupid fucks who are alive.

I wish I could pass judgment against them.

[Gordo714]

close thread this one is a wrap!!!!!!!

[Gordo714]

never mind its still alive
who else has lost there ballast and was stuck with a singe HID???

[EDacIouSX]

wow i didn't notice this before, lol.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c390/edaciousx/dsc03121ci2.jpg

[NISMOTUNEDZ]

im have this hid/headlite conversion on my 92' fastback and its not that bad.....

H4 10k hid & projector h4 housing
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4718/dsc02823yr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

looks like this....
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1628/dsc03124bk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8405/dsc03121ci2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

here did u get ur kit?

[iRONDONkey]

at least you can see in the dark now.

[nismo240sxdrifter]

Since everyone is doing nothing but bashing, I have question. If you go out to dark canyon roads to cruise often what would you suggest for better visibility? I just have the halogens that came with my car and they really are not that great. I have and s13 by the way if it helps, I just want a super white light that provides better visiblity than the crappy yellow junk that doesnt allow you to see that far ahead.

[Slidin240Wayz]

seriously...this question again?

[nismo240sxdrifter]

^
Yes I am being serious, I am not saying HID's are the way to go as the OP did, but what I am saying is that no one gave any help as to what would be good alternative on a pop up s13. I know that at least the halogens that are in my car now do not provide satisfactory light for seeing far enough in advance on dark roads, so other then hid's what is a good alternative to the not so amazing light out put of yellow halogens?

[Kuzumi]

^
Yes I am being serious, I am not saying HID's are the way to go as the OP did, but what I am saying is that no one gave any help as to what would be good alternative on a pop up s13. I know that at least the halogens that are in my car now do not provide satisfactory light for seeing far enough in advance on dark roads, so other then hid's what is a good alternative to the not so amazing light out put of yellow halogens?

i looked at cibie's web site as well as the lighting at night and i will be going their route. a little less than 180 for both lights but it seems worth it to have good visibility at night as well as not blind every oncoming vehicle.

[ixfxi]

^
Yes I am being serious, I am not saying HID's are the way to go as the OP did, but what I am saying is that no one gave any help as to what would be good alternative on a pop up s13. I know that at least the halogens that are in my car now do not provide satisfactory light for seeing far enough in advance on dark roads, so other then hid's what is a good alternative to the not so amazing light out put of yellow halogens?

jesus fucking christ...... its been discussed over a million times on this forum and every other forum out there.

s13 w/ POPUPS buy this:
http://clearcorners.com/products/cibie/200HCR_02.jpg

take off stock, install this and you're done. DONE. THATS IT.

no ballasts, no chinese d2c bulbs with d2s converter and xenon xenix xenaphobe HID kit, no defective ballasts, relays, fuses, harnesses, you dont have to worry about parts failing, siliconing a projector to your ass to prevent water from entering your bung.

simple. remove OE halogen. install cibie 200mm light, go eat a sandwhich.

if cibie is too expensive, ask yourself how you can spend $100 on an HID kit and still have shit lighting.

please lock this thread, its done.

edit: may i remind everyone that xenon (HID) does not dictate quality lighting. quality beam pattern is more important than total light output, but they tend to go hand in hand.

[ThatGuy]

^ Mike has spoken. Pay attention.

[Propaganda]

Cibie or Hella are fine.. if you want (although I think this makes the bulb not last as long) you can wire up relays to give more volts, or whatever it's called, to your light bulbs

[babowc]

It's like those lifted trucks.

They blind the fuck out of you no matter what you're riding. I drove my SUV, S2K, 240sx, and a ES350.

Those fucking trucks blind the FUCK out of you no matter what.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE those trucks.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE it

[fliprayzin240sx]

^
Yes I am being serious, I am not saying HID's are the way to go as the OP did, but what I am saying is that no one gave any help as to what would be good alternative on a pop up s13. I know that at least the halogens that are in my car now do not provide satisfactory light for seeing far enough in advance on dark roads, so other then hid's what is a good alternative to the not so amazing light out put of yellow halogens?

Buy a set of aftermarket fog lights and point them slightly outward instead of forward to help you around corners up in the mountains...

My old Kouki with pep boys special truck foglights...$50 and does what its supposed to.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g254/fliprayzin240sx/Big%20Pix/P1030007.jpg

[KOUKIboy]

I know that stock S14 lights with HID have a shitty output and blind people..But what about the German glass headlights with HID??? Does it work?? Is anyone in here running this setup??

[Mangudai]

I know that stock S14 lights with HID have a shitty output and blind people..But what about the German glass headlights with HID??? Does it work?? Is anyone in here running this setup??


No, because the German headlights are still fluted.

[LA_phantom_240]

No, because the German headlights are still fluted.

Correct. Also, the German glass headlights with Osram Hyper bulbs are amazing.

[esqueue]

Street legal DOT approved headlights are available but expensive as fuck. Search google for XP6054 and cry at the price.
Tri-Xenon - NAXJA Forums -::- North American XJ Association (http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=940046&highlight=tri-xenon)
Sylvania makes some. They are also available in bi-xenon so you can retain your high beam.

I don't know but for some reason the sealed beam that came with my car does a damn good job.


http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb146/urban-yan/Jeep/XP6054-01.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb146/urban-yan/Jeep/XP6054-03.jpg

[Mangudai]

Correct. Also, the German glass headlights with Osram Hyper bulbs are amazing.


Oh? That's good to know. Is there any chance you have a pic of those at night? I'm just now understanding how terrible yellowed Zenki headlights are so im getting the German lights in about a month or so.

[Gordo714]

searching for some HID but there is so many brands and kits out there....so anyone know of good brands or places to get them .....

[enkei2k]

Oh? That's good to know. Is there any chance you have a pic of those at night? I'm just now understanding how terrible yellowed Zenki headlights are so im getting the German lights in about a month or so.


i'm also leaning towards that route (german + hids). retrofitting is too complex, expensive for me to do solo unfortunately.

[ixfxi]

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb146/urban-yan/Jeep/XP6054-01.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb146/urban-yan/Jeep/XP6054-03.jpg

god those are ugly as fuck (and made in taiwan).

might as well strap some titties on the front of your car.

[Mangudai]

i'm also leaning towards that route (german + hids). retrofitting is too complex, expensive for me to do solo unfortunately.

There are people who offer the service if your willing to save up.



might as well strap some titties on the front of your car.


Lol.

[Rag]

My setup:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/ireameri/240sx/EDIT1.jpg?t=1235873001

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/ireameri/240sx/P1011644.jpg?t=1235873022

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/ireameri/240sx/IMG_0290.jpg?t=1235873056



Every time i see a car with HID's in anything but a projector i wish horrible things upon them.

If you don't want to retrofit projectors you can go with a budget route; E-code H4 housings. Run a full 10gauge harness with decent relays, then you can run 90/100watt bulbs safely, keep police at bay, pass inspection and most importantly not blind other motorists.

autopal E-code H4's (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/200mm-H6054-H4-DOT-EURO-CONVERSION-HEADLIGHTS-KIT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262 QQcategoryZ33710QQihZ014QQitemZ330304725432QQtcZph oto)

http://mvroeg.com/pictures/100_2606_resize_medium.jpg

http://mvroeg.com/pictures/100_2609_resize_medium.jpg

http://www.joeshmo.net/crap/comparison.PNG


All of you that insist on using HID in anything but a projector are no better than the morons that drive around in riced out civics and integras. Die in a fire.

[ixfxi]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/ireameri/240sx/P1011644.jpg?t=1235873022

wow...................... that looks so................. sexy??


(cringe)

[Rag]

If you are looking for a good looking hatch, look elsewhere. Sexy cars? hahaha, i have more important things to put my time and money into :l101:

[YoungGun]

I have ebay hid's in my halogen headlights.

I believe I kill about 4-5 people in oncoming traffic a night.

[ThatGuy]

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/27724-house-conversion-pics.html

and

ClearCorners.Com [ nissan ] (http://www.clearcorners.com/products/nissan/240sx1/f_lowpro/)

[Rag]

^^^ those were taken into consideration when brainstorming, along with the frog eye headlamp door replacements. I decided to go with a pair of Hella Micro-DE's i had laying around.

My reasoning:

-They are small enough to fit the projectors/ballast assemblies under the headlamp door.
-No need for retro into a housing, they are sealed with a vented by nature
-Cheap at the time
-Housings can take 50watt HID's without damage (unlike other super compact projector assemblies)
-Widest light pattern of all other popular compact projector assemblies

Cons:

-Cutoff is definetely there and great but in stock form they cannot rival TSX, S2k, 350Z units in sharpness and color
-Pricey without a hookup/discount
-stock lens difused output too much

[ta2maki]

Every time i see a car with HID's in anything but a projector i wish horrible things upon them.


Not all DOT legal HID kits come with projector optics.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/cupnoodles/cars/240/P1010071.jpg

[ixfxi]

^^^ those were taken into consideration when brainstorming, along with the frog eye headlamp door replacements. I decided to go with a pair of Hella Micro-DE's i had laying around.

My reasoning:

-They are small enough to fit the projectors/ballast assemblies under the headlamp door.
-No need for retro into a housing, they are sealed with a vented by nature
-Cheap at the time
-Housings can take 50watt HID's without damage (unlike other super compact projector assemblies)
-Widest light pattern of all other popular compact projector assemblies

Cons:

-Cutoff is definetely there and great but in stock form they cannot rival TSX, S2k, 350Z units in sharpness and color
-Pricey without a hookup/discount
-stock lens difused output too much



you forgot one more Con:
- Hella Micro DE is not designed to be a headlight, so they are not DOT compliant for high or low beam operation, You're using fog lights for headlights.

Congratulations, douche. I dont know whats worse, using foglights for headlights or that fugly metal vent on your hood.

[ixfxi]

Not all DOT legal HID kits come with projector optics.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v90/cupnoodles/cars/240/P1010071.jpg

Sylvania Xenarc........


more cheap craptastic lights made in taiwan. no thanks


just thought you might want to know that you can basically throw all that in the garbage and a pair of HALOGEN H4 bulbs in a pair of Cibie 200mm ECE headlights will outperform that shitty setup.

[lflkajfj12123]

Buy a set of aftermarket fog lights and point them slightly outward instead of forward to help you around corners up in the mountains...

My old Kouki with pep boys special truck foglights...$50 and does what its supposed to.


yeah thats what i did

[LA_phantom_240]

Street legal DOT approved headlights are available but expensive as fuck. Search google for XP6054 and cry at the price.
Tri-Xenon - NAXJA Forums -::- North American XJ Association (http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=940046&highlight=tri-xenon)
Sylvania makes some. They are also available in bi-xenon so you can retain your high beam.

I don't know but for some reason the sealed beam that came with my car does a damn good job.


http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb146/urban-yan/Jeep/XP6054-01.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb146/urban-yan/Jeep/XP6054-03.jpg

Those won't fit in an S13. Not enough clearance in front of the stock sealed beam to allow an extra ~4" forward 'bubble' for the projector.

[LA_phantom_240]

just thought you might want to know that you can basically throw all that in the garbage and a pair of HALOGEN H4 bulbs in a pair of Cibie 200mm ECE headlights will outperform that shitty setup.

Mike, typically we butt heads cause you have a tendency to be a dick, but I gotta agree with you on this one. A friend of mine got the Cibie lamps with some Osram Hyper bulbs in his S13 (of course, with relayed harness using sufficient gauge wire), and the light output is leaps and bounds above stock... and a THOUSAND times better than a drop-in kit.

Unfortunately, he's in basic right now so I can't get pics.


EDIT: Shit, meant to edit this into my last post. Sorry for the double post lol.

[ta2maki]

Sylvania Xenarc........


more cheap craptastic lights made in taiwan. no thanks


just thought you might want to know that you can basically throw all that in the garbage and a pair of HALOGEN H4 bulbs in a pair of Cibie 200mm ECE headlights will outperform that shitty setup.

Shitty, maybe, but technically legal. Aren't E-coded headlamps illegal for use on US highways?

[hOngsterr]

Putting High Intensity bulbs (a shitty HID kit) into a Halogen housing/projector is a no-no. If you want HID's do it the right way the first time and retro-fit OEM Xenon projectors

i dont have hid's and my h4 glass housing cracked when i would leave my
high beams on lol

[NISMOTUNEDZ]

Haha this is the one of funniest threads on here...

[Gordo714]

yeah it is.^^^^^^ so here it is HIDs are a negative with out projectors
it better with them so they produce a cut off for the rest of the people i agree
there is still people that rather have the Straight HID inside ebay H4 housing oh well let them be... people are going to do what they want...everyone has there own style.

[ixfxi]

Shitty, maybe, but technically legal. Aren't E-coded headlamps illegal for use on US highways?

with 5 posts, do you have any plans on change US lighting regulations and standards? maybe you can convince the government to legalize ECE lighting requirements here in the US. ;)

it better with them so they produce a cut off for the rest of the people i agree
there is still people that rather have the Straight HID inside ebay H4 housing oh well let them be... people are going to do what they want...everyone has there own style.

not that i understand what you're talking about, but................


this isnt about STYLE, you're not painting a hood or chosing between an 18" or 16" wheel. This is about lighting which effects other drives who share the road with you and directly effects how you see things at night while driving.

The lighting standards and regulations were made to protect everyone, this means protecting people from having accidents with other people, and to protect people from having accidents by themselves or with objects that they cannot see at night.

its not a matter of style.

[Rag]

you forgot one more Con:
- Hella Micro DE is not designed to be a headlight, so they are not DOT compliant for high or low beam operation, You're using fog lights for headlights.

Congratulations, douche. I dont know whats worse, using foglights for headlights or that fugly metal vent on your hood.

with 5 posts, do you have any plans on change US lighting regulations and standards? maybe you can convince the government to legalize ECE lighting requirements here in the US. ;)



not that i understand what you're talking about, but................


this isnt about STYLE, you're not painting a hood or chosing between an 18" or 16" wheel. This is about lighting which effects other drives who share the road with you and directly effects how you see things at night while driving.

The lighting standards and regulations were made to protect everyone, this means protecting people from having accidents with other people, and to protect people from having accidents by themselves or with objects that they cannot see at night.

its not a matter of style.

You preach about function>style, yet you brought style into this thread when you started to bash my car. This discussion is about lighting, not a $500 1990 240sx that will be treated as a $500 hunk of junk.

I simply offered another option for those that want HID lighting without using a 200mm housing. The Micro DE can and will take a 50watt HID retrofit safely and easily, as long as you aim them properly. Notice how i never told people to remove a good working headlamp for a Frankenstein creation.

stop being so confrontational and quit acting like an E-thug.

:hug:

and to keep this on track and on topic:

"Blazer fogs" (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CLEAR-PROJECTOR-HALOGEN-FOG-DRIVING-LIGHTS-KIT-EX_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66Q3a2Q 7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a 1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2 60367048978QQitemZ260367048978QQptZOtherQ5fVehicle Q5fParts)

the projectors in the link i provided apparently provide somewhat decent results when a 30watt HID kit is installed. only issue is the distortion of cutoff near the ends... as you can see.

but when aimed low and slightly to the sides they seem to make a decent cornering light, especially due to it's compact size.

http://www.customlightz.com/files/blazer1.jpg

[ThatGuy]

Once again: Foglights for Headlights = ILLEGAL

It's not the fun kind of illegal either, that is hidden under a closed hood in the form of an engine you shouldn't be using. It's the kind of illegal that is the first thing noticed about your car at night and WILL get you pulled over.

a $500 1990 240sx that will be treated as a $500 hunk of junk.


Don't even get me started on this ridiculous thought process.

[S14DB]

You preach about function>style, yet you brought style into this thread when you started to bash my car. This discussion is about lighting, not a $500 1990 240sx that will be treated as a $500 hunk of junk.

I simply offered another option for those that want HID lighting without using a 200mm housing. The Micro DE can and will take a 50watt HID retrofit safely and easily, as long as you aim them properly. Notice how i never told people to remove a good working headlamp for a Frankenstein creation.

stop being so confrontational and quit acting like an E-thug.

:hug:

and to keep this on track and on topic:

"Blazer fogs" (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CLEAR-PROJECTOR-HALOGEN-FOG-DRIVING-LIGHTS-KIT-EX_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66Q3a2Q 7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a 1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2 60367048978QQitemZ260367048978QQptZOtherQ5fVehicle Q5fParts)

the projectors in the link i provided apparently provide somewhat decent results when a 30watt HID kit is installed. only issue is the distortion of cutoff near the ends... as you can see.

but when aimed low and slightly to the sides they seem to make a decent cornering light, especially due to it's compact size.

http://www.customlightz.com/files/blazer1.jpg
That looks good to you? Looks like a Cheshire Cat projected on the wall. I expect a flat cutoff line from projectors. You can also tell that the xenon bulb is not at the right depth in the halogen projector. It's hot in the center then fades out on the edges. Real HID projector would stay one brightness across the beam spread.

[jr_ss]

I'm planning on going the TSX route soon, but my question is this, If I use the fluted lenses with the TSX projectors, am I going to get alot of glare, or should I be ok? If there is, I have no problem going with the SuperMade clear lenses but, that's an expense I'd rather avoid if possible. I think the glare would be minimal if any, but the cut-off lines won't be as crisp as it would be with the clear lenses.

[ta2maki]

with 5 posts, do you have any plans on change US lighting regulations and standards? maybe you can convince the government to legalize ECE lighting requirements here in the US. ;)


No, I'll let you do that. You're good at instigating and pushing buttons.
There is too much misinformation when it comes to headlights and you aren't helping any. Trashing everything you don't like and recommending an illegal system is not good IMO. Legal systems should be pushed first, with grey area stuff presented afterwards. Not that this post is, all of a sudden, gonna change your ways. I'd still have 0 posts here but FA seems to have died since I've gone away.

[Brian]

http://media.ziptied.com/members/files/2/HIDs.jpg
sick

[LA_phantom_240]

http://media.ziptied.com/members/files/2/HIDs.jpg
sick

Yeah, that glare is pretty sickening.

[Brian]

LOVE IT.

Look how much light is put out.
Everything lights up! COOL

[silvialove]

so just to clear things up since you guys recommended cibie & hella, are they legal?

[soreballz]

^The E-code lamps are not DOT legal, but since the beam pattern is proper for US roads, you should be just fine.

[silentcovenant]

I'm one of those idiots that got sucked into purchasing a cheap ebay HID kit and am suffering with the loss of $$$ for something that I refuse to use in my S13. Any suggestions? What about Glare shields?

I REALLY want HIDs in my car but I can't afford to get some retrofitted. Plus, all the retrofits I've seen on S13s make the headlights stay up because the HID projectors are too big for the housing!

[ixfxi]

glare shield is a misnomer, nothing will help fix a problem that cannot be repaired.

first you have to understand one law:
- a headlight's optics are designed to work with matching bulb (ie: h4 headlight, h4 bulb)

then you can move onto level 2:
- a xenon bulb creates light differently than a halogen, and different than fluorescent, etc.

not only are the bulbs different, but the light output is doubled or tripled, so its even more important to properly disperse the light. much like installing a motor that is 2 or 3 times more powerful, a chassis will need additional reinforcement.

do yourself the favor, buy a pair of cibie or hella h4 headlights and a pair of high quality bulbs, thats all you need.

reference of the article, in case you guys missed it:
ClearCorners.Com [ automotive lighting knowledge base ] (http://clearcorners.com/products/002/)

mike / clearcorners.com

[LA_phantom_240]

I'm one of those idiots that got sucked into purchasing a cheap ebay HID kit and am suffering with the loss of $$$ for something that I refuse to use in my S13. Any suggestions? What about Glare shields?

I REALLY want HIDs in my car but I can't afford to get some retrofitted. Plus, all the retrofits I've seen on S13s make the headlights stay up because the HID projectors are too big for the housing!

S13's are pretty fucked. Gotta do Silvia front end for HID projector retrofit goodness. Then again, you may be able to get the 350z "Proflector" assemby to fit just fine in an S13 popup setup. Never tried it, but I know they're really compact. Also, Mini Coopers have optional HID headlights, and the projectors are incredibly small. Unfortunately, the light output isn't really up to par with other HID systems, but it's better than H4 housings...

reference of the article, in case you guys missed it:
ClearCorners.Com [ automotive lighting knowledge base ] (http://clearcorners.com/products/002/)

mike / clearcorners.com
Nice plug, attention whore.

[ixfxi]

S13's are pretty fucked. Gotta do Silvia front end for HID projector retrofit goodness. Then again, you may be able to get the 350z "Proflector" assemby to fit just fine in an S13 popup setup. Never tried it, but I know they're really compact. Also, Mini Coopers have optional HID headlights, and the projectors are incredibly small. Unfortunately, the light output isn't really up to par with other HID systems, but it's better than H4 housings...

Nice plug, attention whore.

offer a solution or close your mouth, son.

i dont see anyone saying shit to the vendors selling illegal HID kits.. you know, the ones that are banned for sale here in the us and the uk.

[LA_phantom_240]

offer a solution or close your mouth, son.

i dont see anyone saying shit to the vendors selling illegal HID kits.. you know, the ones that are banned for sale here in the us and the uk.

Bullshit. I raised hell in the last HID kit vendor's thread. I offered another option which is quite possibly a viable solution as well.

Do your research before calling someone out, you pompous ass.

[ixfxi]

Bullshit. I raised hell in the last HID kit vendor's thread. I offered another option which is quite possibly a viable solution as well.

Do your research before calling someone out, you pompous ass.

i didnt ask for options, i asked for product. you know, real-life actual solutions.

if you dont have any solutions that you can offer to the community, then you're just talking out of your ass. suggesting people install those shit projectors off of an 03-05 350Z, then mixing them with some shit ebay-special H4 plastic housings... just a big fucking waste of time.

its pretty obvious, this forum is filled with r-tards that offer more talk than they do solutions. its no wonder the 240 community is filled with slapped together cars.

i dont care to start a cock-n-balls debate. if you think i'm plugging my business to sell a pair of cibie lights that take forever to arrive from overseas so i can make a measly 20 bucks, youre wrong.

the point here is to point people in the right direction, offer real-life simple solutions with proven reliability. after all these years, im just fuckin TIRED of seeing people talk and suggest shit that never works.

people have questions, if i know an answer and can help - i help. if i dont, i shut the fuck up. when people ask for help, i post pics with part numbers. thats much more than can be said about you.

so please, pretty please.. shut the fuck up. thanks.

mike / clearcorners.com

[KiLLeR2001]

Oh, god... I laugh at ghetto improvised headlights on a daily basis every night on my way home from work. I even saw yellow fog light bulbs inside the headlight housing that was only putting out about 4 feet of VERY DIM light in front of the car... Pathetic.

[LA_phantom_240]

i didnt ask for options, i asked for product. you know, real-life actual solutions.

if you dont have any solutions that you can offer to the community, then you're just talking out of your ass. suggesting people install those shit projectors off of an 03-05 350Z, then mixing them with some shit ebay-special H4 plastic housings... just a big fucking waste of time.

its pretty obvious, this forum is filled with r-tards that offer more talk than they do solutions. its no wonder the 240 community is filled with slapped together cars.

i dont care to start a cock-n-balls debate. if you think i'm plugging my business to sell a pair of cibie lights that take forever to arrive from overseas so i can make a measly 20 bucks, youre wrong.

the point here is to point people in the right direction, offer real-life simple solutions with proven reliability. after all these years, im just fuckin TIRED of seeing people talk and suggest shit that never works.

people have questions, if i know an answer and can help - i help. if i dont, i shut the fuck up. when people ask for help, i post pics with part numbers. thats much more than can be said about you.

so please, pretty please.. shut the fuck up. thanks.

mike / clearcorners.com
The only one talking out of their ass here is you, Mike. There really isn't any perfectly legal way of getting HID into our cars (or significantly better lighting even), plain and simple. There are no "products" to show you, because nobody who gives a damn developed anything like that for our shit. So don't go fucking ranting about your bullshit opinions on how you, the self proclaimed almighty god of lighting, think that we're doing shit wrong. Your bullshit HID "In house conversion" costs more than most of the S13 owners paid for the car itself. What kind of fucking good did you do in this thread? None. You bash other people's ideas on new ways to possibly make something practical that hasn't been done before. People do have questions, and you don't give answers, you talk shit and give your stupid ass opinion. I don't have part numbers to give people, because I don't own my own business, nor do I really have a source for parts to show people. Honestly, I don't see how you stay in business with your cocky ass attitude and overpriced bullshit that anyone with half a brain can build.

In fact, I can't recall a single time when you posted something that was actually useful to the community here... all you do is elaborate on other people's info, and plug your business. The biggest "r-tard" here is you, Mike.

[silentcovenant]

Whoa, I didn't mean for this thread to become a flame war but the only reason why I asked is because I hate to throw money away. I just blew $140 on this HID kit + Housings and the glare is, as everyone knows, horrific.

Where I'm from, the HID kit is very popular. You see them in all kinds of cars, SUVs, trucks, Hondas, 240s, and even ghetto vans.

I asked about the glare shields because I attempted to make some out of aluminum cans and killed the bulbs. I just hope I don't screw up on the next set.

[ixfxi]

"There really isn't any perfectly legal way of getting HID into our cars (or significantly better lighting even), plain and simple."

I built this kit over 5 years ago, and yes its 100% DOT-compliant.
ClearCorners.Com [ nissan ] (http://clearcorners.com/products/nissan/240sx1/f_lowpro/)


"Your bullshit HID "In house conversion" costs more than most of the S13 owners paid for the car itself."

You dont need HID to have quality lighting. I already said it, a pair of Halogen Hella e-codes or Cibie e-codes are more than sufficient for a safe, reliable, quality setup. You can get them anywhere, not just my site. ANYWHERE.

As for my in-house conversion, if you cant afford it thats your problem, not mine. There are a lot of things I couldnt afford when I was fuckin 21. I didnt own Volk wheels when I was 21 because I couldnt afford them. I couldnt afford Martin Logan electrostatic speakers. I couldnt afford an SR20DET. I couldnt afford much of anything. What changed? I work harder and I get to play harder. Get a job, work hard and you too can earn money, save money, and spend accordingly. Keep running your mouth like an idiot and you dont get shit in life.


"Honestly, I don't see how you stay in business with your cocky ass attitude and overpriced bullshit that anyone with half a brain can build."

Its very simple, you underestimate society. See, there are smart people in this world that see through your bullshit. There are people who read your post and laugh because you're wrong and I'm right. The use search tools like google, find pics of your cardomain page: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/851830
They look at your car and say "wow, his car looks pretty ordinary. Not that there is anything wrong with ordinary, because theres not. But since we're on the topic of lighting, I dont see much other than shitty ebay tail lights on your POS S13.

Then they look at pics of my car from 5-6 years ago...
http://clearcorners.com/products/nissan/240sx1/imgs/featcarE10.jpg
http://clearcorners.com/products/nissan/240sx1/imgs/featcarE17.jpg
http://clearcorners.com/products/nissan/240sx1/imgs/featcarE24.jpg
and when they see these old pics, they say "wow, this guys car looks good and those lights look bright! Wow!"


So, this isnt a pissing match by any means. This is just a simple online school session for you, to fuckin put-up or shut-up. Go build some fuckin products and offer something to the community, or close your mouth and respect people who've been doing good in the 240SX community for over 10 years.

Fuckin kids I tell ya...

[ixfxi]

Whoa, I didn't mean for this thread to become a flame war but the only reason why I asked is because I hate to throw money away. I just blew $140 on this HID kit + Housings and the glare is, as everyone knows, horrific.

Where I'm from, the HID kit is very popular. You see them in all kinds of cars, SUVs, trucks, Hondas, 240s, and even ghetto vans.

I asked about the glare shields because I attempted to make some out of aluminum cans and killed the bulbs. I just hope I don't screw up on the next set.

its not a flame-war, this is normal talk on zilvia. kids always learn the hard way.

dont spend any more money trying to patch-fix that shitty hid setup. ditch that shit and go buy yourself some good headlights + bulbs like i'm telling you to do. do that and you'll be fine.

ps: you're in fuckin hawaii.. dont you have recon to deal with? all my customers in hawaii tell me recon doesnt allow them to modify their cars. so what the fuck are you doing with an hid kit on your car anyway? how are you going to pass inspection?

[silentcovenant]

its not a flame-war, this is normal talk on zilvia. kids always learn the hard way.

dont spend any more money trying to patch-fix that shitty hid setup. ditch that shit and go buy yourself some good headlights + bulbs like i'm telling you to do. do that and you'll be fine.

ps: you're in fuckin hawaii.. dont you have recon to deal with? all my customers in hawaii tell me recon doesnt allow them to modify their cars. so what the fuck are you doing with an hid kit on your car anyway? how are you going to pass inspection?

Most people in Hawaii who modify their cars here actually don't care about Recon. The police officers here see these modifications so often they usually let things like HID kits, Suspension, Exhaust, etc. slide. Only the really anal cops and Sheriffs give tickets, like I received one this past week. That's the main reason why I wanted to at least curb the glare problem. At least if the glare is minimal, I can slide too like everyone else.

To tell you the truth, most people in Hawaii will drive around with all their mods and when they need to pass safety, they'll return the car to stock just to pass the inspection, then once they get what they need they slap all the stuff back on. :naughty:

[LA_phantom_240]

"There really isn't any perfectly legal way of getting HID into our cars (or significantly better lighting even), plain and simple."

I built this kit over 5 years ago, and yes its 100% DOT-compliant.
ClearCorners.Com [ nissan ] (http://clearcorners.com/products/nissan/240sx1/f_lowpro/)


"Your bullshit HID "In house conversion" costs more than most of the S13 owners paid for the car itself."

You dont need HID to have quality lighting. I already said it, a pair of Halogen Hella e-codes or Cibie e-codes are more than sufficient for a safe, reliable, quality setup. You can get them anywhere, not just my site. ANYWHERE.

As for my in-house conversion, if you cant afford it thats your problem, not mine. There are a lot of things I couldnt afford when I was fuckin 21. I didnt own Volk wheels when I was 21 because I couldnt afford them. I couldnt afford Martin Logan electrostatic speakers. I couldnt afford an SR20DET. I couldnt afford much of anything. What changed? I work harder and I get to play harder. Get a job, work hard and you too can earn money, save money, and spend accordingly. Keep running your mouth like an idiot and you dont get shit in life.


"Honestly, I don't see how you stay in business with your cocky ass attitude and overpriced bullshit that anyone with half a brain can build."

Its very simple, you underestimate society. See, there are smart people in this world that see through your bullshit. There are people who read your post and laugh because you're wrong and I'm right. The use search tools like google, find pics of your cardomain page: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/851830
They look at your car and say "wow, his car looks pretty ordinary. Not that there is anything wrong with ordinary, because theres not. But since we're on the topic of lighting, I dont see much other than shitty ebay tail lights on your POS S13.


So, this isnt a pissing match by any means. This is just a simple online school session for you, to fuckin put-up or shut-up. Go build some fuckin products and offer something to the community, or close your mouth and respect people who've been doing good in the 240SX community for over 10 years.

Fuckin kids I tell ya...

First off, bullshit. Any HID setup that didn't come factory equipped on a car is not legal. The components may be DOT-compliant, but that's about it. I don't want your bullshit conversion which looks like some Hella 90mm modules and a custom mounting bracket. Maybe a fancy wiring harness in there as well. And how the fuck can I be wrong and you be right in such a gray area topic? There IS no right and wrong, because in the eyes of the law, it's all wrong. Your way, my way, it doesn't make a bit of difference. Oh, and the cardomain page has been up there since before I was on Zilvia, and I got rid of that S13 YEARS ago before I was even out of high school. I'll build what products I want. I've built my own shit before, when time and money permits me to do so. You, on the other hand, I don't see really "Doing good in the 240sx community" because even though you do build different lighting setups for our cars, I don't see anyone rocking them. Ever. Maybe show cars or big ballers who have cash coming out of their asshole... but we don't come to zilvia with cash coming out of our assholes, do we?

[Brian]

http://media.ziptied.com/members/files/2/HIDs.jpg
sick


4300 JRT lighting kit in stock S14 headlamps.

Mad props.

[ixfxi]

First off, bullshit. Any HID setup that didn't come factory equipped on a car is not legal. The components may be DOT-compliant, but that's about it.

Its not about what comes from the factory. This isnt Nazi-Germany, in the US we dont require cars to be stock, we require them to be compliant. The law doesnt force us to buy NISSAN exhausts only, NISSAN parts only, NISSAN OEM headlights, etc. We have the freedom to chose whatever parts we want AS LONG as those parts are DOT compliant.

The Hella 90mm modules are STAND ALONE headlights. Individual low beams and individual high beams. This means you can throw away your factory light on ANY car and install these. Integrating them and making them look nice is a completely other subject, but in the sense of legality: its 100% fucking legal.


I'll build what products I want. I've built my own shit before, when time and money permits me to do so. You, on the other hand, I don't see really "Doing good in the 240sx community" because even though you do build different lighting setups for our cars, I don't see anyone rocking them. Ever. Maybe show cars or big ballers who have cash coming out of their asshole... but we don't come to zilvia with cash coming out of our assholes, do we?

You dont see cars with my products because you live in Louisiana, the same reason you dont see Ferrari's on the 405 freeway like we do, or Paris Hilton's snatch in her Bentley. Reality is, none of what you're saying matters. My products dont have to be on everyone's car. As long as my customers have them, they're happy and I'm happy.

And whats you're point, anyway? If all people were to do is sit online and complain about expensive parts, then we wouldnt be fixing up our cars with high end components like Work wheels. Seriously, what the FUCK have you installed on your car that is of value? You obviously have no appreciation for good quality parts, so just close your mouth already.


And how the fuck can I be wrong and you be right in such a gray area topic? There IS no right and wrong, because in the eyes of the law, it's all wrong. Your way, my way, it doesn't make a bit of difference.

Simple. I am right and you, like always, are wrong.



Tool.

[!Zar!]

There is no point arguing.

I mean come on.

You're arguing with people who think that spending $1500 on a SET of Work/other jdmbullshit wheels is baller till no end.

[LA_phantom_240]

Its not about what comes from the factory. This isnt Nazi-Germany, in the US we dont require cars to be stock, we require them to be compliant. The law doesnt force us to buy NISSAN exhausts only, NISSAN parts only, NISSAN OEM headlights, etc. We have the freedom to chose whatever parts we want AS LONG as those parts are DOT compliant.

The Hella 90mm modules are STAND ALONE headlights. Individual low beams and individual high beams. This means you can throw away your factory light on ANY car and install these. Integrating them and making them look nice is a completely other subject, but in the sense of legality: its 100% fucking legal.

You dont see cars with my products because you live in Louisiana, the same reason you dont see Ferrari's on the 405 freeway like we do, or Paris Hilton's snatch in her Bentley. Reality is, none of what you're saying matters. My products dont have to be on everyone's car. As long as my customers have them, they're happy and I'm happy.

And whats you're point, anyway? If all people were to do is sit online and complain about expensive parts, then we wouldnt be fixing up our cars with high end components like Work wheels. Seriously, what the FUCK have you installed on your car that is of value? You obviously have no appreciation for good quality parts, so just close your mouth already.


Simple. I am right and you, like always, are wrong.



Tool.

Man, it seems like I really know how to get your panties in a bunch. I take it people don't call you out all that often, do they? It is about what was on the car from the factory. The NTSA has pretty strict laws on what can be done to a vehicle's lighting. I'll have to dig up the specific articles I read pertaining to HID on cars which weren't available from the factory with it. And what does where I live have anything to do with what I see on the road? Have you ever been here? No. You don't have one clue as to what drives around here. It's not like I'm in the boonies, after all. Sure, it may not be SoCal, LA, whatever... but there are still some damn nice cars rolling around. Also, what do you know about my car? Do you know what parts are on it? What's been done to it? What I think about quality parts? Not a damn bit, cocksucker. Your childish, "I'm always right" attitude shouldn't have gotten you this far in life, truthfully.

Maybe I can't afford Work VS-XX wheels in the size and offset I want. Maybe I can't afford an RB26 NEO. Maybe I can't afford half the things you do, but does that make you better than me? No. I'm only 21, I only make so much money... Rome wasn't built in a day. You aren't what you own. When you get over that "Look at what I have" mentality, maybe your asshole won't pucker up so bad when someone calls you an attention whore.

I like quality parts just as much as you do. That doesn't mean that something inferior, even slightly inferior, is a piece of shit that should be banished from the face of the Earth. For instance, my wheels. FN01R-C. Everyone and their grandmother has them, true, but they look a thousand times better than the stock SE wheels, and they're not bent to hell like my stock wheels were.

[S14DB]

Man, it seems like I really know how to get your panties in a bunch. I take it people don't call you out all that often, do they? It is about what was on the car from the factory. The NHSTA has pretty strict laws on what can be done to a vehicle's lighting. I'll have to dig up the specific articles I read pertaining to HID on cars which weren't available from the factory with it. And what does where I live have anything to do with what I see on the road? Have you ever been here? No. You don't have one clue as to what drives around here. It's not like I'm in the boonies, after all. Sure, it may not be SoCal, LA, whatever... but there are still some damn nice cars rolling around. Also, what do you know about my car? Do you know what parts are on it? What's been done to it? What I think about quality parts? Not a damn bit, cocksucker. Your childish, "I'm always right" attitude shouldn't have gotten you this far in life, truthfully.
Did you mean the NHTSA?

FMVSS 108 Covers vehicle lighting. NHTSA does not approve light designs. The Manufactures self certify. Theoretically ixfxi can self cert his retros as new manufacture. I do not know if he does. But they are not illegal until NHTSA says they are.

Section (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2004/octqtr/49cfr571.108.htm)

What you have to understand is that the Issue with HID "Kits" is totally different then Retrofits. Kits are illegal cause you can't replaces a Halogen Bulb with a Xenon bulb. Retrofitting the whole Reflector and Lens assembly that uses Xenon Bulbs does not apply to this judgment.

Light Source List (http://fmvss108.tripod.com/light_source_list.htm)
Mr. Jeff Deetz, Sales Manager, Santeca Electronics, Inc., 7215 East 21^st Street, Suite D, Indianapolis, IN 46219 (http://isearch.nhtsa.gov/files/deetz.ztv.html)

[LA_phantom_240]

Did you mean the NHTSA?

LOL yeah. Whoops.

[ixfxi]

" Based on a review of the H1 light source specification filed in the Part 564 docket (#3397), it is apparent that the Thunder Beam HID Conversion kit is a significant redesign of the H1 light source. At the most basic level, an H1 light source incorporates an incandescent filament in which light is produced by a metallic wire coil heated to incandescence by an electrical current, whereas the HID conversion kit’s light source incorporates a discharge arc to produce the light and requires a ballast for operation. Thus, in order to comply with paragraph S7.7 of FMVSS No. 108, the Thunder Beam light source must comply with, inter alia, the dimensional specifications for the metallic wire coil filament size and location, the electrical connector size and location, and the ballast would need to be a design currently on file for use with an H1 light source. Complying with the dimensional aspects of the H1 light source appears to be an impossibility considering that the wire coil filament and the electrical connector are not a part of your design. Furthermore, there are no ballast designs on file for use with an H1 light source. Thus, your company’s HID conversion kit is not a design that conforms to the Standard and could not be certified as complying with FMVSS No. 108, nor imported into or sold in the United States. "

Thunder Beam H1 HID = FAIL!!!!! haha

[LA_phantom_240]

We all agree that kits are bad. Even if we don't see eye to eye, at least some zilvians will take note of our heated arguments....

EDIT: Mike, it seems as though my research has failed me. Interestingly enough, I've found that the converse is true of my statement about OEM/DOT components not being legal for retrofit. You were right, the 90mm modules are perfectly fine for retrofitting... or at least nothing has been said to the contrary as of yet. Of course, I realize I probably won't hear the end of this... but I figure I look like less of an ass like this than to argue a point I now realize is incorrect. lmao.

[jam1231]

where can i get cibie 200mm at i bought a pair of hid's but i did not do the research on them first good thing i did not install them yet i am going to sell them

[LA_phantom_240]

Read the thread. There's multiple links to where you can get them.

[ixfxi]

We all agree that kits are bad. Even if we don't see eye to eye, at least some zilvians will take note of our heated arguments....

EDIT: Mike, it seems as though my research has failed me.

Somehow, I am not surprised.


I realize I probably won't hear the end of this... but I figure I look like less of an ass like this than to argue a point I now realize is incorrect. lmao.

You're probably right, you probably wont hear the end of this. But look at it this way, you went back and man-ed up, corrected your incorrect statements - its the least any true man would do when spouting-off at the mouth without thinking.

Nice to know that I know what I'm talking about when it comes to my line of work.

note to others: quit buying these damn hid kits.

[LA_phantom_240]

lol. Maybe someone needs to have his kit catch his front end on fire... maybe then Zilvia will stop even considering them.

[Gordo714]

while on the topic of headlights was wondering if anyone knows how to make it so that your high and low beams stay on at the same time???

[whyrun?]

haha, wtf for?

just get some new headlighs for crying aloud.

[esqueue]

100% glareless

http://mysite.verizon.net/seaquake81/hid%20retro/nightshot7.jpg

[Anto]

hahaha. riiiiiiiight



100% glareless

http://mysite.verizon.net/seaquake81/hid%20retro/nightshot7.jpg

[esqueue]

while on the topic of headlights was wondering if anyone knows how to make it so that your high and low beams stay on at the same time???

Put a diode between the low and high beam wires. The stripe will be near the high beam wire. DON'T DO THIS ON STOCK HEADLIGHTS!!! That will put a nearly 100 ± watts load.

[LA_phantom_240]

while on the topic of headlights was wondering if anyone knows how to make it so that your high and low beams stay on at the same time???

In my s14s, the highs and lows are on at the same time when i hit the highbeams... It's not supposed to be like that?

[murda-c]

In my s14s, the highs and lows are on at the same time when i hit the highbeams... It's not supposed to be like that?


No mine's like that too i think it's normal.

[Gordo714]

you guys are in a s14 though diffrent housing for high and low beam, im in a s13 H4 headlights low and high beams are in the same housing so can the diode thing still work.

[S14DB]

100% glareless

http://mysite.verizon.net/seaquake81/hid%20retro/nightshot7.jpg

Nice high beams. Where's your lows?

[OBEEWON]

I retro fitted midget twins and gave them both spot lights to hold.

Now my headlights give me more power and angle.

But O'Bama trying to deport the bama's back to OZ.

Stupid recession.

[LA_phantom_240]

lmao wtf obee?

[Gordo714]

It's all about 70 dollar hid kits in Santa ana hahahaha chea!!!!!! gonna pick some up for my foggers on the chuki

[J90lude]

Got Damn this thread is funny like shit haha..Im still getting my retrofit hids FTW!!

[fliprayzin240sx]

Hmm...so wait how do you do keep your lowbeams on and not flicker when you switch to highbeams? Who got the wiring diagram???

[xtreme_s14]

ixfxi: Mike, right? I had a question about retro fitting HIDs into a zenki S14. First off, I absolutely hate how projectors look on zenki S14 headlights. But I was curious to know, if I retro fit projectors into the headlights, would it have any effect if I use the parabola (not sure if that's the word I'm looking for, but the tip of the projector?) of the projector to fit as flush and efficiently into the concavity of headlight housing. Would it effect the beam pattern or light output? I'm not sure if that made any sense? I'll try to get a Microsoft paint picture to show what I'm trying to get at.

[WangonwWarrior]

Just read this, started out bad but some good info in here

[xtreme_s14]

Just read this, started out bad but some good info in here

I've read through this already, what I'm asking is something that has not been brought up on this thread. But, thanks!

[LA_phantom_240]

ixfxi: Mike, right? I had a question about retro fitting HIDs into a zenki S14. First off, I absolutely hate how projectors look on zenki S14 headlights. But I was curious to know, if I retro fit projectors into the headlights, would it have any effect if I use the parabola (not sure if that's the word I'm looking for, but the tip of the projector?) of the projector to fit as flush and efficiently into the concavity of headlight housing. Would it effect the beam pattern or light output? I'm not sure if that made any sense? I'll try to get a Microsoft paint picture to show what I'm trying to get at.

Are you asking if you can use just the projector bowl, and not the projector lens?

If so, no. You'll have an HID driving light.

[fueled by hate]

My project...

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/giynmgs/Picture031-2.jpg

[xkamikazestormx]

My project...

nice to see a couple ppl actually retrofitting here. what projector are you using in there by chance?

[fueled by hate]

porsche, tl, tsx

[LA_phantom_240]

Good lord! HID Silvia headlights from hell!

[helikz]

starting a s2k retrofit onto s15 headlights sometime this month.... keep you posted on the details, but s2k HID's are about the best i've ever driven.

seriously.

HID's go in HID projectors, otherwise they're dangerous and useless. They're a bit ricey on cars outside the aforementioned situation, and frankly, i wouldn't even be doing it unless I already had the AP2 ballasts, bulbs, and headlight housings.

[LA_phantom_240]

starting a s2k retrofit onto s15 headlights sometime this month.... keep you posted on the details, but s2k HID's are about the best i've ever driven.

seriously.

HID's go in HID projectors, otherwise they're dangerous and useless. They're a bit ricey on cars outside the aforementioned situation, and frankly, i wouldn't even be doing it unless I already had the AP2 ballasts, bulbs, and headlight housings.

AP2? Oh well. At least they're S2k projectors. AP1's are godlike.

[KiLLaS13]

im have this hid/headlite conversion on my 92' fastback and its not that bad.....

H4 10K HID & Projector H4 housing
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4718/dsc02823yr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

looks like this....
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1628/dsc03124bk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8405/dsc03121ci2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
why do your HIDs have eyebrows?:wtf: lol haha:rofl:

[WangonwWarrior]

I've read through this already, what I'm asking is something that has not been brought up on this thread. But, thanks!

I was talking about the op, not you:hahano:

[xkamikazestormx]

starting a s2k retrofit onto s15 headlights sometime this month.... keep you posted on the details, but s2k HID's are about the best i've ever driven.

seriously.

HID's go in HID projectors, otherwise they're dangerous and useless. They're a bit ricey on cars outside the aforementioned situation, and frankly, i wouldn't even be doing it unless I already had the AP2 ballasts, bulbs, and headlight housings.

im assuming ap2 projectors? IIRC they have a fresnel lens compared to clear ones the ap1s have

[fueled by hate]

ap1's and lexus sc's are awesome projectors. I was about to do ap1's sc's and tsx, but I wanted bi-xenons.

[dOMEmE]

i say as long as you could see the road its all good...

[hpipro4]

why do your HIDs have eyebrows?:wtf: lol haha:rofl:

LOL those are the shield on the bulbs....this set-up is not being use anymore! im going toward the retrofitting shit!

[LA_phantom_240]

ap1's and lexus sc's are awesome projectors. I was about to do ap1's sc's and tsx, but I wanted bi-xenons.

I want bixenon as well, but I can't find any bixenons I like that I know I could fit in the zenki headlight without modifications to the radiator support. That's why I'm putting TSX projectors in.

[S14DB]

Infinity FX will not fit?

[hpipro4]

anybody have extra pair of tsx projectors they can sell me for cheap?

[S14DB]

anybody have extra pair of tsx projectors they can sell me for cheap?

Going rate for them is $150-200 if you can find them.

[Brian]

this is the biggest dork topic ever.


stop being such puss holes.


put a plug in HID kit in your stock headlights and stop being babies.

[ixfxi]

this is the biggest dork topic ever.


stop being such puss holes.


put a plug in HID kit in your stock headlights and stop being babies.

seriously.

[Brian]

lol Mike.


thanks for jumping on the ship.

[ixfxi]

its true.... not that i agree with the rebased hid comment... but fuck, people get too damn technical with projectors or car parts in general, like "omg these s2000 projectors are [email protected][email protected][email protected]?"

dude, its a fucking projector.. its not holy, its just a piece of glass and a piece of metal.. many of the projectors out there function next to near identical.



its as if these kids have nothing fucking better to do than to sit out at night, line up their cars against a parking lot wall and judge their cutoff patterns...


get over it. but hey, who am i to judge. theyve dedicated entire forums to guys being light nerds nowadays. not like this thread on zilvia makes much of a difference

[LA_phantom_240]

get over it. but hey, who am i to judge. theyve dedicated entire forums to guys being light nerds nowadays. not like this thread on zilvia makes much of a difference

I'm a pseudo-lightnerd... :(

lol.

Projectors fascinate me.

[fueled by hate]

^yea, ever pick up a book on optics? Shit isn't just metal and glass. A lot of R&D goes into a well designed projector.

[LA_phantom_240]

^yea, ever pick up a book on optics? Shit isn't just metal and glass. A lot of R&D goes into a well designed projector.

I'm pretty sure he understands that... he's just being a dick lol.

[jr_ss]

Mike,

If I install TSX projectors into my factory Zenki housings, will leaving the fluting in the lenses/covers, distort the lighting? Is it better to get the clear lenses? Am I going to cause more glare to on coming traffic by doing this? I'll be retrofitting into USDM headlights and wanted to know before I went ahead and spent the money to get the clear lenses. I'm sure that the clear lense will help with the clarity of the cutoff, but I'm not a huge fan of them.

[KoukiMonsta]

its true.... not that i agree with the rebased hid comment... but fuck, people get too damn technical with projectors or car parts in general, like "omg these s2000 projectors are [email protected][email protected][email protected]?"

dude, its a fucking projector.. its not holy, its just a piece of glass and a piece of metal.. many of the projectors out there function next to near identical.



its as if these kids have nothing fucking better to do than to sit out at night, line up their cars against a parking lot wall and judge their cutoff patterns...


get over it. but hey, who am i to judge. theyve dedicated entire forums to guys being light nerds nowadays. not like this thread on zilvia makes much of a difference

i agree but having projectors verse non is a huge deal to me. HID are worthless in regular headlights. the projector gives you the full effect plus its baller

[Kyosuke]

i could post my beam pattern right now and you guys wouldnt even be able to tell if i retro fitted or not !

[hpipro4]

i could post my beam pattern right now and you guys wouldnt even be able to tell if i retro fitted or not !

do it! im sure im not the only one that wants to see!!!

[LA_phantom_240]

Mike,

If I install TSX projectors into my factory Zenki housings, will leaving the fluting in the lenses/covers, distort the lighting? Is it better to get the clear lenses? Am I going to cause more glare to on coming traffic by doing this? I'll be retrofitting into USDM headlights and wanted to know before I went ahead and spent the money to get the clear lenses. I'm sure that the clear lense will help with the clarity of the cutoff, but I'm not a huge fan of them.

Yes, the cutoff will become distorted. Clear lenses are a must. The flutes are designed to distribute the light from the reflector. It wasn't made to have a projector behind it.

do it! im sure im not the only one that wants to see!!!

x2

[ixfxi]

Mike,

If I install TSX projectors into my factory Zenki housings, will leaving the fluting in the lenses/covers, distort the lighting? Is it better to get the clear lenses? Am I going to cause more glare to on coming traffic by doing this? I'll be retrofitting into USDM headlights and wanted to know before I went ahead and spent the money to get the clear lenses. I'm sure that the clear lense will help with the clarity of the cutoff, but I'm not a huge fan of them.

No one seemed to chime in with the answer I was hoping to hear:
- Get rid of the 95-96 front-end, go 97-98.

You can spend lots of time and money on mucking around with shitty aftermarket clear lensing, taking your lights apart, sealing them, re-sealing them, etc... but nothing will help. Its constant patch-fixing for something thats clearly not worth it.

Some of you may like the 95-96 styling, just like some of you like the early reflector headlights of the S13 Silvia - thats fine, like the looks. When you drive at night, dont be surprised that your light output sucks.

Theres no other way around it, period.


I say the same thing to NB Miata guys as I obviously own one of these pieces of shit myself, the 99-00 headlights are good for one thing: the trashcan. I threw my headlights away and upgraded to 01-05 front-end.

Gotta smash some eggs if you want to make an omelet.

[KoukiMonsta]

do it! im sure im not the only one that wants to see!!!

x3 msglength

[mxexux]

OK, I've read the whole thread and not seen what I am looking for...

I have an s14 kouki and my head lights have the broken tabs so they don't sit like they should. I was thinking about buying aftermarket head lights like the ones sold on intense that are the "JDM Style" or the vertex ones. My question is: does anybody know if they have a significant cut off and pix of the cut offs would be cool. I probably will go with HID kit in the future and just wanted to know if these aftermarket headlights have a decent cut off.

[mxexux]

^^oh yeah I also forgot to ask if these after market lights use the same bulb as the USDM s14 kouki.

[YoungGun]

HID are worthless in regular headlights.
No, they look cool.

[Banegraphix]

I have said it before and here it is again if it doesn't help the performance of the vehicle all your doin is adding the "mad tyte JDM-ness son" might as well be driving a Honda. I do understand wanting a car that looks good but you can just get some new lenses and a set of Sylvania bulbs and not run the risk of getting a dumb ticket for modified headlights.

[LA_phantom_240]

I have said it before and here it is again if it doesn't help the performance of the vehicle all your doin is adding the "mad tyte JDM-ness son" might as well be driving a Honda. I do understand wanting a car that looks good but you can just get some new lenses and a set of Sylvania bulbs and not run the risk of getting a dumb ticket for modified headlights.

Shut up and get out of this thread.

[ixfxi]

damn whats with the hostility.


hes right though, if you have 95-96 just get the german headlights and use some proper bulbs - the end.

dont expect 2000-2010 lighting when you're driving an 1995 fitted with reflector headlights. want projectors, then you gotta pay to play and go with kouki.

simple as that

[LA_phantom_240]

damn whats with the hostility.


hes right though, if you have 95-96 just get the german headlights and use some proper bulbs - the end.

dont expect 2000-2010 lighting when you're driving an 1995 fitted with reflector headlights. want projectors, then you gotta pay to play and go with kouki.

simple as that

Even the Kouki has mediocre output.

[S14DB]

Even the Kouki has mediocre output.

I think he means if you want to retrofit.

[Brian]

http://media.ziptied.com/members/files/2/HIDs.jpg
sick

TRY to beat this.

I dare you.

[ixfxi]

Even the Kouki has mediocre output.

I think he means if you want to retrofit.

(dum dum dum)

ah yes, the plot thickens.



i swear, some people just cant think beyond 1, 2, 3...

[LA_phantom_240]

(dum dum dum)

ah yes, the plot thickens.



i swear, some people just cant think beyond 1, 2, 3...

Riddle me this, then. Why would I want to spend nearly a grand on a front end conversion that, while it may look better, still needs a proper HID projector retrofit for decent light output? Call me cheap, but I've got a perfectly good front end to put projectors in.

[Brian]

projector swaps into a 1995-1996 headlight is PISS POOR.

It will never look good. It's like saying "oh, i like J30 headlights"

[SuicidnS13]

this is the biggest dork topic ever.


stop being such puss holes.


put a plug in HID kit in your stock headlights and stop being babies.

Thank You!!! Fuck other peoples vision problems. Atleast this way they can see us coming and hopefully move out of our ways. Seriously put them in, if you dont like them pull them out, if you do like them...more power to you. Who cares what other people and so called experts opinions are versus your own preferences. In the end build your car for you-

[Banegraphix]

Shut up and get out of this thread.
Wasn't talkin to you so chill out

damn whats with the hostility.


hes right though, if you have 95-96 just get the german headlights and use some proper bulbs - the end.

dont expect 2000-2010 lighting when you're driving an 1995 fitted with reflector headlights. want projectors, then you gotta pay to play and go with kouki.

simple as that
Exactly then you can always get a HID kit and it would look about a thousand times better than on some shitty stock lights and you could do it for around $150.

[Brian]

- The best part about HIDs in a 1995 headlight -


driving down the freeway and seeing the green road signs flicker with light as your stiff ass car cruises down the 101. Cars get out of your lane.

it's WONDERFUL.

[ixfxi]

yes guys, keep buying those chinese-made hid kits... they're quality.

keep up the good work.

[LA_phantom_240]

yes guys, keep buying those chinese-made hid kits... they're quality.

keep up the good work.
Your sarcasm is quite transparent. Try harder, lol.

[ramman434]

Just wow, some of the ignorant statements in this thread amaze me...lol

[LA_phantom_240]

Just wow, some of the ignorant statements in this thread amaze me...lol

Such as?

[ixfxi]

Such as?

LA_phantom_240*.*

:-P

[jr_ss]

Riddle me this, then. Why would I want to spend nearly a grand on a front end conversion that, while it may look better, still needs a proper HID projector retrofit for decent light output? Call me cheap, but I've got a perfectly good front end to put projectors in.

Exactly. I'm not converting to the Kouki just to spend another stack of Benjamins for the proper HID retro. I'll stick to my Zenki and retro my lights the way I want. I can live with alittle distortion, but in the end it'll probably still be better than stock and that's what I'm looking for.

[Brian]

are you going to install projectors in the 1995 headlamps?

[LA_phantom_240]

LA_phantom_240*.*

:-P

:fawk:
lol

Exactly. I'm not converting to the Kouki just to spend another stack of Benjamins for the proper HID retro. I'll stick to my Zenki and retro my lights the way I want. I can live with alittle distortion, but in the end it'll probably still be better than stock and that's what I'm looking for.
Don't retrofit projectors and use the fluted lens. Might as well get an HID kit.

[ixfxi]

Exactly. I'm not converting to the Kouki just to spend another stack of Benjamins for the proper HID retro. I'll stick to my Zenki and retro my lights the way I want. I can live with alittle distortion, but in the end it'll probably still be better than stock and that's what I'm looking for.

chosing between a rebased HID kit vs retrofitting a projector into the fluted lenses (or clear lenses) is like debating whether you would prefer piss or eating shit.

Pick one. :)

[soreballz]

^I dunno about you, but I drink lots of water. I'd choose the piss any day. lol

[arabtitalator]

yeah, that cutoff is no good.

gordo- i would not recommend pointing them down and driving around with them on. as stated earlier by fliprayzin, there is no cutoff on high beams. if you look at most cars w/ seperate high/low beams, the low beams have shields and highs do not. if for s14, you are better off purchasing another kit for the low.

ideally retrofit is best.

something like this:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/mnm619/IMG_4181.jpg

which produces a cutoff like this:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk124/mnm619/IMG_4203.jpg

hit up mmm858 for more details.



Arent those modded fx hid's in a euro housing? i remember seeing a huge discussion/buildup on this idea i believe, seemed very interesting.

[jr_ss]

I'll be retrofitting TSX projectors, not just buying a BS HID kit...

chosing between a rebased HID kit vs retrofitting a projector into the fluted lenses (or clear lenses) is like debating whether you would prefer piss or eating shit.

Pick one. :)

[murda-c]

chosing between a rebased HID kit vs retrofitting a projector into the fluted lenses (or clear lenses) is like debating whether you would prefer piss or eating shit.

Pick one. :)


What's wrong with projector retrofits?

[OBEEWON]

WOW! Still?

Im coming to all your houses tonight and shining my fluted HID's in your windows so your OCD goes haywire.

If you dont have 1000whp you don't have time to worry about all this. Get your lives together.

[unlegendary]

i have Vertex-USA Kouki Headlights with no projectors, i have a right to buy a HID kit lol. Then again I have an urge to see what they look like retrofitted but that would be kinda useless.

[w0nderbr3ad]

kinda along the lines of the same topic but does anyone know where to get the plastic pieces that hold the adjustment screws (has 4legs on a square base) on a s13 silvia headlight? Or are they the same on the pop up headlights?

[LA_phantom_240]

WOW! Still?

Im coming to all your houses tonight and shining my fluted HID's in your windows so your OCD goes haywire.

If you dont have 1000whp you don't have time to worry about all this. Get your lives together.

What?

i have Vertex-USA Kouki Headlights with no projectors, i have a right to buy a HID kit lol. Then again I have an urge to see what they look like retrofitted but that would be kinda useless.

Isn't that kinda redundant?

[hOngsterr]

yes guys, keep buying those chinese-made hid kits... they're quality.

keep up the good work.


i use the DDM TUNING HID's
they sell them cheap also and work wonders for me.

[OBEEWON]

What?



Huh?

Basically I am saying how could anyone possibly care this much about perfect light output and cutoff pattern unless they have completely maxed out the performance of whatever chassis they drive, unless they are just huge nerds that get turned on by this tomfoolery and want to flex thier knowlege and superior beams on the internet.

[murda-c]

Huh?

Basically I am saying how could anyone possibly care this much about perfect light output and cutoff pattern unless they have completely maxed out the performance of whatever chassis they drive, unless they are just huge nerds that get turned on by this tomfoolery and want to flex thier knowlege and superior beams on the internet.


Lol people bust a nut over wheels that stick out past their fenders.

Just be happy that quality lighting isn't going to hurt anyone like people buying ebay arms so they can slam their car will.

[Brian]

ATTN: Mike.

I have always been a fan of cheap china HID kits put into USA lamps.

Here is my deal now,

I know that they are usually super bright and will probably get me busted.

With my new S13, I imagine the lights are going to already be kind of bouncy, so HID's would be insane.

Is there a really cool bright REGULAR bulb I can put into the housings that will look rad?

Is there a regularbulb that will ALMOST look HID?

let me know.


from,

"still looking for BRIGHT, but kinda worried, in long beach"

[OBEEWON]

Lol people bust a nut over wheels that stick out past their fenders.

Just be happy that quality lighting isn't going to hurt anyone like people buying ebay arms so they can slam their car will.


You are right, nothing wrong with quality lighting, at all.

[LA_phantom_240]

Huh?

Basically I am saying how could anyone possibly care this much about perfect light output and cutoff pattern unless they have completely maxed out the performance of whatever chassis they drive, unless they are just huge nerds that get turned on by this tomfoolery and want to flex thier knowlege and superior beams on the internet.

So you're saying that unless I'm running like 9's in the quarter, I shouldn't worry about having good lighting?

Right...

Well, I like to be able to see where I'm going at night. Early 90's lighting technology sucks, no matter how you look at it.

ATTN: Mike.

I have always been a fan of cheap china HID kits put into USA lamps.

Here is my deal now,

I know that they are usually super bright and will probably get me busted.

With my new S13, I imagine the lights are going to already be kind of bouncy, so HID's would be insane.

Is there a really cool bright REGULAR bulb I can put into the housings that will look rad?

Is there a regularbulb that will ALMOST look HID?

let me know.


from,

"still looking for BRIGHT, but kinda worried, in long beach"
Osram's Hyper series bulbs are insanely bright, almost as many lumens as HID. As far as color, they're something like 4000k color temp, which is slightly yellower than OEM HID (4300k).

[Brian]

ughhh, yellowish?

I need WHITE or blue or something stupid.

What about some PIAAs?

[LA_phantom_240]

PIAA is garbage.

[Brian]

how so?

Personal opinion or known facts?


I'm leaning back to a China HID kit again....

[S14DB]

PIAA's output is OK but they don't last worth a shit.

I have had these Noyka Artic White for around 4yrs. They look blue but put out some nice white light.

Silverstars have the best light output on the road. But, they can look fruity in some housings. For the price I would go with the Noyka's.

[LA_phantom_240]

how so?

Personal opinion or known facts?


I'm leaning back to a China HID kit again....

PIAA's output is OK but they don't last worth a shit.

I have had these Noyka Artic White for around 4yrs. They look blue but put out some nice white light.

Silverstars have the best light output on the road. But, they can look fruity in some housings. For the price I would go with the Noyka's.

There ya go.

[Brian]

hmmm

ok decided.

China HID kit.

[LA_phantom_240]

Have fun

[Brian]

I will for sure.

I loved them in my S14 (until I crashed the car).
I bet they will look pretty good on the 180 too.
I'll post photos when I'm done.

[ixfxi]

brian









you are beyond help

[st280]

I lol'd at just about everything Brian posted in the past couple of pages... Haha

[S14DB]

I will for sure.

I loved them in my S14 (until I crashed the car).
I bet they will look pretty good on the 180 too.
I'll post photos when I'm done.

Still think you would be better off with:
Arctic White Headlight Bulbs (http://www.nokyausa.com/aw/aw7213.html)