S14 vs winter

[Dark_Undead]

For those who have try this, how is it? I'd like to know how the SR or KA is when it's cold outside? and how the car respown?

Peace!

[lazysk8er2]

like any rwd car depends if you drive like an asshole or not...i pack my e30 with 2 sand bags and i cruise no problem

[slothonaleash]

Uhm. My s13 (ka24de) just takes a couple extra cranks to turn over, and about 10 minutes to warm up completely.

Do you mean like in the snow?

My s13 is on coils in ohio... I just turned them to full soft when it started snowing and threw a bunch of weight in the back. This helped a lot... When the first snow hit I was already driving and It was probably the most paranoid I have ever been - the car was sliding around all over the place, and threatening to do so going in a straight line. Not to mention the brakes locked up if I so much as touched them - engine braking is a safe route to go.

If you're conscientious of everything that is going on around you then you should be fine.

I usually end up driving 10 mph slower than everyone else in the snow.

If you've got another daily driver, then I would strongly recommend it over a relatively lightweight rwd car.

[Dark_Undead]

Thanks a lot guys! I appricate!

[projectRDM]

Fuck is a respown?

You mean respawn? Are we trying to get fish to fuck on here now?

[Dark_Undead]

Fuck is a respown?

You mean respawn? Are we trying to get fish to fuck on here now?


I'm not very good in English sorry dude, I useally speak french sorry bro!

[neilsan]

you didn't figure that he meant 'Responds'?

this'll be the 3rd time i've driven my 300hp s13 in the snow. With snow tires and an LSD it goes fuckin anywhere. just dont drive like it's summer and you won't get into an accident. otherwise the car itself doesn't behave any differently. my piece of shit BOV doesn't like to open until the engine bay temps warm up though.

[240sx1285]

get a 12 jl audio w7 and throw it in your trunk. you'll be good lol

[Dark_Undead]

obviously you guys are changing your suspension setup right?

[silviaz]

^^

ignore him... he's always complaining on the forum. At 34, this is what happen when you've got erectile problem, you are bashing on the internet.

back to the topic...

I strongly recommend a stock suspension for our winter in Canada.

Tu vas vraiment te faire chier sur l'autoroute quand tu vas pogner de la slush ou des trucs du genre. En plus tu as un LSD... tu vas partir du cul à tout bout de champ si tu ramolie pas ta suspension.

[Dark_Undead]

Tu vas vraiment te faire chier sur l'autoroute quand tu vas pogner de la slush ou des trucs du genre. En plus tu as un LSD... tu vas partir du cul Ã* tout bout de champ si tu ramolie pas ta suspension.

Parce que lÃ* je me magasine une S14, sauf que je me dit bah! Avec l'hiver, est-ce que je dois attendre...

Sinon pour les suspension, je peux pas juste jouer avec les aftermarkets et les régler plus soft?


merci pour le conseil, très apprécié! :)

[ChicagoS14]

I drove a KA powered S14 5spd SE model with ABS on all season tires on stock suspension with some sandbags and it was fine, just as long as the snow wasnt too deep. It was manageable, but the SE is the heaviest but it does have a VLSD so that might have made a difference, this year ill be driving a base model S13 5spd with open diff, winter tires on stock suspension, no ABS and SOHC KA so we will see. I was 16 and 17 when I drove the S14 it was my first car and first 5spd car and I managed fine being an inexperienced driver.

[silviaz]

Parce que lÃ* je me magasine une S14, sauf que je me dit bah! Avec l'hiver, est-ce que je dois attendre...

Sinon pour les suspension, je peux pas juste jouer avec les aftermarkets et les régler plus soft?


merci pour le conseil, très apprécié! :)

Même avec la suspension aftermarket, si tu l'ajustes au plus moux, sa sera jamais comme une suspension stock. La voiture a tendance Ã* vouloir glisser vers l'accotement. Pose toi pas de question pourquoi a québec tu vois rarement des S13/S14 l'hiver. Ceux qui se promène avec ca l'hiver c soit qu'ils sont paumé ou qu'elles sont automatiques.

Perso, jamais je vais roulé ma 240 l'hiver... j'ai fait une tentative 1 fois dans la neige et j'ai trouvé ca trop dangeureux avec la slush et tout..... en plus sa fait tellement rouillé nos chars c'est épouvantable.

[Bigsyke]

^^

ignore him... he's always complaining on the forum. At 34, this is what happen when you've got erectile problem, you are bashing on the internet.

.

When you have an erectile problem

Im sure he's actually helped this community more than you have.

OP my S14 even with no weight in the back handles better than my 98 civic in the snow.

When the civic loses traction its game over. The S14 just kicks its ass out, and when I let off the gas im going straight again.

Im driving on pure ice and 3" of snow, ill take a turn at 30, break the tires loose, and exit the turn perfectly.

I love it! But cant wait for spring!

[Dark_Undead]

ChicagoS14 (http://zilvia.net/f/members/chicagos14.html) thanks for sharing your experience,

Je crois que j'vais bien prendre le bus ^^ Il faut dire que j'aurais eu un pincement au coeur de la rouler et de savoir que j'aurais mit tellement d'effort et d'argent pour la voir tuer par le calcium ^^

[OBEEWON]

As long as you don't have an open diff you will be fine.

[Slidin240Wayz]

Winter tires!

[JRas]

we don't have much of a winter here :D

I use the same high performance summer tires all year long ( RT-615 current )

only time I try not to drive is in heavy rain, because of huge puddles

[murda-c]

Snow tires, stock suspension, and maybe sandbags in the trunk and you'll be find.

plus sandbags have the added bonus of giving you something to use to make traction if you get stuck on a patch of ice.

[aznpoopy]

+1 to snow tires

i tried driving s14 on all seasons on packed snow. car slides and pitches even going straight

fun? sure. but don't even pretend for a second it's practical for daily driving.

meanwhile my gf's cavalier was chugging along on all seasons with no problems.

[Bigsyke]

As long as you don't have an open diff you will be fine.

I have an open diff, and its just fine.

A blizzard with 10inches of snow tonight with nothing in the trunk is going to put it to the test

Car starts up fine in the cold;

im using about 60-70% coolant
5w30 amsoil with an OEM filter
OEM thermostat
Automatic with a stand alone tranny cooler
Solid mounts

ChicagoS14 (http://zilvia.net/f/members/chicagos14.html) thanks for sharing your experience,

Je crois que j'vais bien prendre le bus ^^ Il faut dire que j'aurais eu un pincement au coeur de la rouler et de savoir que j'aurais mit tellement d'effort et d'argent pour la voir tuer par le calcium ^^

why not spray the chassis with bar and chain oil mixed with beeswax?

[jackjack]

this year ill be driving a base model S13 5spd with open diff, winter tires on stock suspension, no ABS and SOHC KA so we will see.


you mean in 2012

:fawk:

[lysticalz]

snow's fine as long as you take it easy. i find that going uphill is a b$tch though.

[turbobrick]

we don't have much of a winter here :D

I use the same high performance summer tires all year long ( RT-615 current )

only time I try not to drive is in heavy rain, because of huge puddles

Same here, the only problem for me is I like to visit my friend in flagstaff about once a month, and I dont know if its even worth buying another set of tires I'd rarely use.

[HS13KLS]

lol

i drove my car this winter..

for 3 days,
then i saw salt!!

EEEK

parked her for the winter lol

now im driving a pos 1989 toyota corolla lol

i murdered it out. with 3 friends. 8 cans of walmart approved .96 cent flat black

and sprayed everything outside lol

[Ninjabread]

dailying my s14 is cool
good winter tires are key
motor turns over a bit slower in the cold but runs like a top
clutch is slow to return but wtv.

[JVD]

S14 is fine in winter. Just get GOOD WINTER TIRES. It's more fun if you have VLSD too. ;)

[emayearecee]

what is this "snow" you all speak of?!

hahahaha... I <3 southern california!

[madd ocx]

240sx is not fun in the snow, especially in the action packed new york streets. when i first got my s14 i had dropped my friend off at home and it started snowing. i was on the highway and was doing like 10-15 mph. i saw a late 90's maxima spin out right in front of me. then every time i come to a stop the car refused to stay in a straight line. i don't recommend it unless you really have to. i just take the public transportation when it snows!

[Ninjabread]

Pffft. That called you are a shitty driver, and so is everyone around you.

Get some good winter tires, and dont worry about it.

Seriously, when it snows around here, I always drive faster than 3/4 of the people. I have more confidence in my s14 then I do in my mom's 2002 neon, which has toyo winters on it.

[JVD]

240sx is not fun in the snow, especially in the action packed new york streets. when i first got my s14 i had dropped my friend off at home and it started snowing. i was on the highway and was doing like 10-15 mph. i saw a late 90's maxima spin out right in front of me. then every time i come to a stop the car refused to stay in a straight line. i don't recommend it unless you really have to. i just take the public transportation when it snows!
Hahaha.

It's called being a noob driver. If I took public transportation when it snowed, I'd be taking the bus for like half of the year. LOL.

Good winter tires. That's all you need.

Noobs also say FWD is better in winter. It's harder to lose control, but hard to correct in comparison. Understeer city. I drive an old Sentra in the winter, but I just yank the e-brake every once in a while if needed.

In a 240, you usually just have to add a little throttle. You also kinda learn how to slide the car. It's much easier in winter, but you kinda get the feel of it. Sliding on dry roads can be a bit less forgiving. Haha.

[dirtyafrican]

Fuck is a respown?

You mean respawn? Are we trying to get fish to fuck on here now?
someone's a dick :-/

[madd ocx]

oh sorry i don't live in back country cananda:rolleyes: but 240's are not known for good snow driving. and its harder to drive in the snow it first lands on the ground. but i'd rather not do it, just like many others who seem to have other cars they drive for bad weather, cause you do have to watch for other people on the road in a car not really built for that weather. so if i'm a noob for being cautious then i'll be that;)

[aznpoopy]

sliding around in nyc in the snow? lmao. unless it's in the middle of the night, you're gonna hit a pedestrian, because the crowds really don't give a fuck and will cross in front of you anyway.

[Ninjabread]

madd ocx, I still retain that this is mostly a driver issue. Unless you are trying to get around on all seasons/summer tires. Then you are just an idiot.

Thats the same as saying "240sx suck on the track with stock suspension and a slipping clutch".

Of course they would.

[madd ocx]

i only drove in the snow that one time with my s14, and it had regular supposed all season tires. i would like to see you guys do all that sliding around s**t in nyc streets. trust me this is not canada my friend, driving is much different out here. and when people from out of town come out here and try to drive they drive like noobs, no matter the weather. i can drive in the snow with my car bu just choose not too, not worth the risk when i have other options!

[aznpoopy]

its a "driving in new york sucks any time of the year" issue. snow is just icing on the cake.

3" raised manholes, potholes like half a foot deep, cobblestone streets, pedestrians and bike messengers that just don't give a shit about traffic signals, psychotic taxi drivers and worst of all - people who don't drive in new york driving in new york.

i haven't driven my 240 into the city since like 2003. take the daily instead. driving there is like asking to get hit or scratched. fuck that shit. i totally understand why you'd garage the 240sx in the snow. nyc traffic mentality can be summed up = " i don't give a fuck"

[brunswick240]

I love driving in the winter. I've driven s13s and s14s. The s14s are a little easier just because theyre just a little heavier. I had an srt4 one winter and I'll never drive another fwd car in the snow again. Everytime I get into my gfs cavi when theres snow on the ground I feel like I'm on ice constantly. She's got brand new all seasons. But when I drive my s14 (snow tires) I never get stuck, never slide unless I do it on purpose, I dont have abs, I have an open diff, and I LOVE IT. Everytime it snows I get excited... how many times out of the year do you get to slide around with out worrying about burning up tires? You just need to learn how to drive your car.

[JVD]

Despite popular belief of americans... canada does, in fact, have cities.

Crazy, I know. It's not like I'm the only car on the road when I drive.

Hahaha.

I get what you mean with the NYC tho. Obviously don't slide around the city. I didn't mean go have a drifting session either. I just meant you'd learn how to drive the car better. Make your reactions more natural. You'd understand if you had to drive all winter in the snow/ice.

The OP lives in montreal tho. That's a CITY in CANADA. See, they do exist. The guy doesn't need to park his car for the winter. Haha.

EDIT: Oh, and you say 240's aren't known as good winter cars... What cars are? I've never driven a vehicle and I've said this feels great on ice. I've driven AWD too. It's not that great. You can accelerate faster, and that's about it.

[s13dan]

You gotta be careful, i wrecked my old 240 in the dead of winter. It was very cold out that day i think around 10 degrees.I did it on a long curve.I was 16, and i learned my lesson. It dosnt take much to lose. Thing is i wasnt fucking around at all.
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Always heat your tires properly before driving!
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[brunswick240]

ehhhh.. sucks. but if you know what youre doing youll be fine. not implying ^ you didnt.

[Ninjabread]

hahaha you must be retarded.

there wasnt even snow on the ground? 10*? get real

1 foot of snow and -25* F here

[JRas]

Noobs also say FWD is better in winter. It's harder to lose control, but hard to correct in comparison. Understeer city. I drive an old Sentra in the winter, but I just yank the e-brake every once in a while if needed.


FWD has the benefit of the added weight of the engine and drivetrain, so they tend to have less traction problems.

[brunswick240]

yaaa but it also has the benefit of momentum, if youre making a turn and you start sliding...well just hope theres no ditch on the side of the road.

[aznkipz]

I have a S13. If I got winter tires and weight in the back itll be good to drive in decent snow? Also, how would the salt affect the body, im guessing rust? If so, how can I prevent?

[aznpoopy]

in north jersey a good set of snow tires is more than good enough. weight in back is optional.

most important mod is knowing some driving basics. take it easy, know your limit, smooth inputs, etc.

as for the rust, you can get the car oil sprayed, but i don't know of anyone that actually does this locally. the salt is going to get on the car regardless. spray it off in springtime and grind off any rust that forums, if you really care.

[s13dan]

Dont get me wrong, i have got another 240 since(my current) SR and full suspension i have driven in the snow many times with out to big of an issue no wrecks.Im not retarted, glad to see your concern though... It was a fluke deal with that red car, only wreck i have ever been in while driving. It dosnt snow here a whole lot so i geuss im not cool because i cant drive in a foot of snow when its -25 degrees.
Get a fucking jeep....

[murda-c]

I have a S13. If I got winter tires and weight in the back itll be good to drive in decent snow? Also, how would the salt affect the body, im guessing rust? If so, how can I prevent?

Car wash.

Or buy a saturn.

[madd ocx]

Despite popular belief of americans... canada does, in fact, have cities.

Crazy, I know. It's not like I'm the only car on the road when I drive.

Hahaha.

I get what you mean with the NYC tho. Obviously don't slide around the city. I didn't mean go have a drifting session either. I just meant you'd learn how to drive the car better. Make your reactions more natural. You'd understand if you had to drive all winter in the snow/ice.

The OP lives in montreal tho. That's a CITY in CANADA. See, they do exist. The guy doesn't need to park his car for the winter. Haha.

EDIT: Oh, and you say 240's aren't known as good winter cars... What cars are? I've never driven a vehicle and I've said this feels great on ice. I've driven AWD too. It's not that great. You can accelerate faster, and that's about it.

trust me there is a big difference in nyc driving than driving in almost any other city. i've driven in a lot of different cities. most are pretty calm, no one trying to cut you off, people not walking against traffic lights, yellow cabs. gypsy cabs, bike riders etc. and people people drive very erratic. and they do this in the snow as well. I put too much money into my car to go out like that. as far as built for the weather goes awd is much better than rwd any day, fwd I'm not to sure about. why do you think a lot of bmw's newer cars come with awd now? but if you like snow driving then its cool but I don't really half to so I dont.

[480sx]

Fact of the mater is, a lightweight RWD sports car sucks in the snow/ice. These guys saying that its fine, fun, whatever really have no idea. Dude who said that 'Noobs think FWD is better in snow' has obviously no idea what hes talking about. There were like two people in this thread who said that they were 'safer' in their s14's VS. a FWD car. Wrong.

Like said above, FWD has a lot more weight on the front end that aids in steering tremendously. It also has a drive setup that wants to work with ice and snow instead of spinning you out. I know that my Teg with good tires was a great car in snow, that thing was like a tank. I wont even talk about the Quattro Audi i had. ;)

Regardless, if you drive like an idiot in any car in the winter you will wreck. However a 240 is just an awful winter driver. Like said above, you really can toss some winter tires on them and a bag or two of sand it the back to help, but physics still pwns you.

Best advice in this thread.. If you have the option, dont drive your 240 in the winter. Snow/Ice/Salt on a ~15 year old lightweight RWD sports car ftmfl. Get an old beater honda, or a jeep. Heck even a wrangler isnt that good in the snow, things so light and its wheelbase is so short it too can be useless.

Hell i wrecked my s13 this Saturday after we had some flurries. Seriously, flurries. Testing out a suspension mod i just did. The snow didnt stick to the roads at all, it was 34 degrees. Driving strait, 40 miles an hour in a RWD car with an open dif(45 min speed limit), little to no throttle. Got on the bridge, half way across the rear end kicks out, im lookin strait at a jersey barrier thats all thats between me and the water. Car literally was sideways at 40 miles an hour in the middle of a narrow bridge. Countersteered, pulled out of it, barely biffed the guardrail after the bridge with the front left. Pulled over a little bit up the street, checked the damage, fixable, w/e. Silvia front and new support OTW. Walked back to the bridge, sheet of ice.

Before you attack my driving ability, iv been driving anything and everything since i was like 7, plowing snow in the winter since i was 14, and tracking cars since i was 18. Now my reasoning ability def failed on this one lol. I should have known better than to even do anything close to the speed limit over a bridge in 'winter weather' conditions in a rwd car. This was my first accident and man was it a wakeup call. I will NEVER EVER drive a 240 in the winter again. You can have all the skills in the world, they dont overrule physics.

[Zen S14]

I drove my S14 over the span of almost 7 years since it was my daily car. Narrower 215 tires with all seasons for all the NJ/Pa winters. Got caught in all the "snow storms" between 1998 and 2005. Drove fine if you know your car is crappy in snow and don't try any heroics. The tricky part is not once you are rolling, since then it rides like any other car, its the starting and stopping. Cruise down and pumping the brakes to stop (no abs) and not jumping on the throttle seems to work fine. I drove slow and left other people alot of space when there is snow or ice. If they felt they had better cars or bigger balls they can go around me. The biggest challenge is going up a hill. If you don't have some momentum or get stopped in the middle of a steep and slippery uphill ramp you are really screwed.

[JVD]

Fact of the mater is, a lightweight RWD sports car sucks in the snow/ice. These guys saying that its fine, fun, whatever really have no idea. Dude who said that 'Noobs think FWD is better in snow' has obviously no idea what hes talking about. There were like two people in this thread who said that they were 'safer' in their s14's VS. a FWD car. Wrong.

Like said above, FWD has a lot more weight on the front end that aids in steering tremendously. It also has a drive setup that wants to work with ice and snow instead of spinning you out. I know that my Teg with good tires was a great car in snow, that thing was like a tank. I wont even talk about the Quattro Audi i had. ;)

Regardless, if you drive like an idiot in any car in the winter you will wreck. However a 240 is just an awful winter driver. Like said above, you really can toss some winter tires on them and a bag or two of sand it the back to help, but physics still pwns you.

Best advice in this thread.. If you have the option, dont drive your 240 in the winter. Snow/Ice/Salt on a ~15 year old lightweight RWD sports car ftmfl. Get an old beater honda, or a jeep. Heck even a wrangler isnt that good in the snow, things so light and its wheelbase is so short it too can be useless.

Hell i wrecked my s13 this Saturday after we had some flurries. Seriously, flurries. Testing out a suspension mod i just did. The snow didnt stick to the roads at all, it was 34 degrees. Driving strait, 40 miles an hour in a RWD car with an open dif(45 min speed limit), little to no throttle. Got on the bridge, half way across the rear end kicks out, im lookin strait at a jersey barrier thats all thats between me and the water. Car literally was sideways at 40 miles an hour in the middle of a narrow bridge. Countersteered, pulled out of it, barely biffed the guardrail after the bridge with the front left. Pulled over a little bit up the street, checked the damage, fixable, w/e. Silvia front and new support OTW. Walked back to the bridge, sheet of ice.

Before you attack my driving ability, iv been driving anything and everything since i was like 7, plowing snow in the winter since i was 14, and tracking cars since i was 18. Now my reasoning ability def failed on this one lol. I should have known better than to even do anything close to the speed limit over a bridge in 'winter weather' conditions in a rwd car. This was my first accident and man was it a wakeup call. I will NEVER EVER drive a 240 in the winter again. You can have all the skills in the world, they dont overrule physics.

Hahaha. Dude, you crashed your car in a light snowfall.

I drive an average of 3hrs a day(in winter only obviously) in snow/ice. I know how to drive in the snow. I've driven multiple 240's in the snow. The only one that sucked was an S13 with all season tires and vlsd. ANY throttle and the car would go sideways. 100+km/h and the rear would kick out.

As I said, it's all about the tires.

I fucking hate how people are always like "I was driving in a straight line, and then, all the sudden, THE BACK END KICKS OUT!" Ya bud, it's a light RWD car. You need to EXPECT that to happen.

It's driver error, not the car. I crashed my S14 in winter when I first got my licence. I blame myself, not the icy roads or the dangerous RWD car. Haha.

People keep acting like it's impossible to drive these cars in the winter. It's not.

[eastcoastS14]

daily my s14....drove all last winter in the snow with bald regular tires and I was fine....traction control is for suckers

[greddyguy]

last winter i drove my s13 with 255 Azenis for about half the season. it was a little sketchy at sometimes. i then got some steelies with all season tires and my car handled like a CHAMP in the snow. i never got stuck, never had any slide offs or anything. my car was SLAMMED on the 15" steelies too which didnt seem to phase it in 6inchs of snow on the road. i just floored it everywere.

like someone said earlier, dont use the brakes, just downshift to slowdown.

[madd ocx]

the op stated how the 240 drives in the winter, point blank it sucks. i know all the foolish tricks you guys are talking about, i never said i couldn't do it i just don't bother. think of it this way a guy in a audi, evo, gsx etc doesn't care what the weather is he will get in his car and go. no sandbags, tires or whatever you guys are talking. its nice you have a good handle on your cars and don't mind driving in the snow, i actually think it's ballsy. but don't sit up here and front like it's an easy task and just tell somebody "yeah a 240 is just fine for the snow"..

[brunswick240]

Fact of the mater is, a lightweight RWD sports car sucks in the snow/ice. These guys saying that its fine, fun, whatever really have no idea. Dude who said that 'Noobs think FWD is better in snow' has obviously no idea what hes talking about. There were like two people in this thread who said that they were 'safer' in their s14's VS. a FWD car. Wrong.

Like said above, FWD has a lot more weight on the front end that aids in steering tremendously. It also has a drive setup that wants to work with ice and snow instead of spinning you out. I know that my Teg with good tires was a great car in snow, that thing was like a tank. I wont even talk about the Quattro Audi i had. ;)

Dude idc if youre the next speed car champ from discovery. If youre going to tell me that fwd is physically better in the snow than rwd youre on crack. so youre saying you would rather have a fwd car like a neon or cavi or "teg" rather than a stout cadillac, truck, or suv? O sweet you had an awd car in the snow...everyone knows they are the best on snow, rain, dry, w/e. Get a lowered teg and lower a 240 and then tell me which handles better in the snow.

Regardless, if you drive like an idiot in any car in the winter you will wreck. However a 240 is just an awful winter driver. Like said above, you really can toss some winter tires on them and a bag or two of sand it the back to help, but physics still pwns you.

Well then I pwnd physics. I've got no bags, welded diff, and had some bald ass summer tires on 9" wheels and never got stuck. Learn how to drive.

Best advice in this thread.. If you have the option, dont drive your 240 in the winter. Snow/Ice/Salt on a ~15 year old lightweight RWD sports car ftmfl. Get an old beater honda, or a jeep. Heck even a wrangler isnt that good in the snow, things so light and its wheelbase is so short it too can be useless.

I would take a wrangle ANY day of the week over a honda. Again, I would take a 240 over a honda, with 3 ft of snow and a white out.

Hell i wrecked my s13 this Saturday after we had some flurries. Seriously, flurries. Testing out a suspension mod i just did. The snow didnt stick to the roads at all, it was 34 degrees. Driving strait, 40 miles an hour in a RWD car with an open dif(45 min speed limit), little to no throttle. Got on the bridge, half way across the rear end kicks out, im lookin strait at a jersey barrier thats all thats between me and the water. Car literally was sideways at 40 miles an hour in the middle of a narrow bridge. Countersteered, pulled out of it, barely biffed the guardrail after the bridge with the front left. Pulled over a little bit up the street, checked the damage, fixable, w/e. Silvia front and new support OTW. Walked back to the bridge, sheet of ice.

Before you attack my driving ability, iv been driving anything and everything since i was like 7, plowing snow in the winter since i was 14, and tracking cars since i was 18. Now my reasoning ability def failed on this one lol. I should have known better than to even do anything close to the speed limit over a bridge in 'winter weather' conditions in a rwd car. This was my first accident and man was it a wakeup call. I will NEVER EVER drive a 240 in the winter again. You can have all the skills in the world, they dont overrule physics.

If you have been driving so long especially dealing with snow and slick surfaces you should know better than anyone that bridges freeze first. Theres nothing underneath them to hold heat. Air goes ontop and below them, creating ice. Dont try to make it sound like even you, speedracer, cant drive a 240 in the snow and its the new mission impossible, when you dont know how this kid drives. Thats ignorant. So just bite your tongue, go to your subscriptions and delete this thread. You've given no advice other than BEWARE SNOW IS DANGEROUS!

OP: If you wanna drive your 240 in the snow, go ahead, obviously theres plenty of people on there that have/are/and will for as long as possible. Yes you have a better chance of getting rust, but if you take car of your car it wont be a problem. Wash it once a week at the car washes if you can afford it (get the undercairage wash), or just wash it in the garage and spray the underneath. Its not that tough, just know your limits like stated before. If you think its sliding out too much then throw some sand bags in there. But I can tell you that snow tires, or NEW, good all seasons will make the words of a difference for you. I've driven on bald, summer, all seasons, and snows and it is as obvious as it gets. Just dont be an idiot and youll be fine.

[Fries]

Full hard with Powered By Max coilovers 2 inches off the ground,
-3 degrees of camber in the rear, balding tires, open diff.
You're forced to drive slower, turn up the music press the hazards and just cruise.
If you understeer, ebrake.
Driving is not that hard in the snow. Alot of fun in my opinion.

[480sx]

Iv never once said that its not possible, or you cant do it. You jackasses are telling people that a 240 is fine or great in the winter when your dead wrong. Who cares that YOU can drive in the snow with winter tires, a LSD, lots of swerving, countersteering and power sliding around. Thats not how most people want to drive. That doesnt make you a good driver sliding around everywhere on public roads thinking you got the skillz to do so. Assinine..

My lowered teg would walk all around any of the three 240's i have, all of which i have tried driving in snow with LSD and without until i came to the conclusion just like everyone else with a brain on the interwebz that a RWD sports car sucks in the snow. YES I would rather have a freaken FWD car than a caddy in the snow. I have driven caddies in the snow, they suck balls. A client of mine has a CTS, that thing gets stuck everywhere in winter weather.

Brunswick, i had a jeep wrangler in the winter. I would STILL rather have my teg over the jeep wrangler. This is probably because i would never put all seasons on a wrangler, its always gona have offroad tires. But again, they are short wheel based vehicles with little to no weight on the rear end. You can slap it in 4wd and do OK, but if you dont have lockers and at least all season tires the teg is still a better winter daily. A long wheel based truck with good tires kicks ass in the snow, even in 2wd. Toss a bit of weight in the back and it will go anywhere. As do most SUV's, weight helps a lot in snow. I was comparing a fwd sports car to a RWD sports car. Anyway, your just an awesome dude who can drive around on bald tires in the snow with a welded dif and not have problems what can i say. Your driving ability seems to counter your stupidity, but its gona catch up to you trust me. ;D

As far as my own wreck goes? Its not going to cost me much to fix. You are attacking my driving ability for biffing a guard rail when you totaled a car in the snow yourself speeding(for the conditions) around a corner. I didnt have all season tires on, and i just made an error in judgement. It happens. Laughing at me for wrecking a car(after you admit to totaling one yourself in similar conditions) is pretty classy bud.

Again, like i said.. Its dooable, you should at least however have winter tires and some weight on the rear end.

[sillyvia13]

ChicagoS14 (http://zilvia.net/f/members/chicagos14.html) thanks for sharing your experience,

Je crois que j'vais bien prendre le bus ^^ Il faut dire que j'aurais eu un pincement au coeur de la rouler et de savoir que j'aurais mit tellement d'effort et d'argent pour la voir tuer par le calcium ^^


Dude I was gonnna say that too you!
You beat me too it...

Your a bigger man than me... You wont see me on any French Forums trying to get down,,, I have a hard enough time using my own fucking language!
lmao





as for fucking 240's in the snow! FUCKING have fun...
Its like drifiting in SLOWWWWWWW motion., got snow tires. and enjoy... just go slow and stay coolll

Peace out buddy...

I think you should pm me a translation! lol

[brunswick240]

Dude where are you coming up with I wreck a car in the winter? Never once have I done so. Thats fine you think rwd is so bad and dangerous and sucks ass to fwd in the snow. Its all personal opinion though. There are people agreeing with you, and me on the same page. Ya it might make sense to you that fwd is better in the snow, but not to everyone. Sweet, glad its not going to cost you much to fix your car... but common man, if you claim to have driving experience you should know bridges=ice. Have fun this winter in the teg. My point is, in a 240 you can countersteer...potentially saving your car, or potentially wrecking it. I would rather have a 50/50 chance of saving my car from a slide rather than just hoping on momentum to stop and your brakes to stop you from sliding into that ditch.

[JVD]

Iv never once said that its not possible, or you cant do it. You jackasses are telling people that a 240 is fine or great in the winter when your dead wrong. Who cares that YOU can drive in the snow with winter tires, a LSD, lots of swerving, countersteering and power sliding around. Thats not how most people want to drive. That doesnt make you a good driver sliding around everywhere on public roads thinking you got the skillz to do so. Assinine..

My lowered teg would walk all around any of the three 240's i have, all of which i have tried driving in snow with LSD and without until i came to the conclusion just like everyone else with a brain on the interwebz that a RWD sports car sucks in the snow. YES I would rather have a freaken FWD car than a caddy in the snow. I have driven caddies in the snow, they suck balls. A client of mine has a CTS, that thing gets stuck everywhere in winter weather.

Brunswick, i had a jeep wrangler in the winter. I would STILL rather have my teg over the jeep wrangler. This is probably because i would never put all seasons on a wrangler, its always gona have offroad tires. But again, they are short wheel based vehicles with little to no weight on the rear end. You can slap it in 4wd and do OK, but if you dont have lockers and at least all season tires the teg is still a better winter daily. A long wheel based truck with good tires kicks ass in the snow, even in 2wd. Toss a bit of weight in the back and it will go anywhere. As do most SUV's, weight helps a lot in snow. I was comparing a fwd sports car to a RWD sports car. Anyway, your just an awesome dude who can drive around on bald tires in the snow with a welded dif and not have problems what can i say. Your driving ability seems to counter your stupidity, but its gona catch up to you trust me. ;D

As far as my own wreck goes? Its not going to cost me much to fix. You are attacking my driving ability for biffing a guard rail when you totaled a car in the snow yourself speeding(for the conditions) around a corner. I didnt have all season tires on, and i just made an error in judgement. It happens. Laughing at me for wrecking a car(after you admit to totaling one yourself in similar conditions) is pretty classy bud.

Again, like i said.. Its dooable, you should at least however have winter tires and some weight on the rear end.
I don't think you get it.

It's Canada. EVERYONE buys snow tires. You'd have to be retarded to drive in snow without them. Snow tires aren't considered "tricks". Hahahah.

[murda-c]

I bought snow tires one year because i had max performance summer tires, and now i still use snow tires even though my car has high quality all seasons on it.

they're just that much better than all seasons.

[dori_sil8t]

ontario is pretty much the same. cars still cnd just good snow tires de kitd the car.
no wieght 1.5 lsd and a good six puck clutch.. whats weird is the only place i got stuck was my own driveway?????

[OBEEWON]

I had a auto S14 for a daily before it was stolen recently, and drove it for the past two winters. It was the worst.

Open diff and auto is sooo bad. I was all over peoples front lawns....

I once ended up about 5 feet from someones front door...true story...

[s14sport]

I have a dodge ram for winter....but I usually drive the 240 when it snows because its so much fun. Plus I don't have too far to go for work so its not a big issue. If the snows too deep I break out the Ram power

[brunswick240]

I have an auto 98 with an open diff and no abs. NEVER once have a lost complete control of it. LEARN HOW TO DRIVE A REAL CAR PEOPLE.

[wannabe_drifter]

I got a stock s13 for winter car and I just love it, just gotta be careful, but its really not that bad. And its so goddamn fun !!!! sliding around in the middle of the night ! Gotta carry traction aids though (metal ones, plastics are shitty), i got stuck in a probably 1 degree incline this afternoon ...

Drove for about an hour and a half last night while 40 cm (about 13 inches) of snow was falling.

Just don't be too hard on the gas and don't follow people too closely. Gotta like counter steering alot too
My parents have a 1994 gmc 1500 truck 2wd and i actually feel more confident driving my s13.

I gotta say that I don't get in much traffic too as my job is about 2 minutes away, so i might not be the best indicator.

[OTG Vinyl]

As with any RWD car in any condition, it has a learning curve.

[brunswick240]

THANK YOU ^. Thread closed. There is the answer.

[Bigsyke]

I have an auto 98 with an open diff and no abs. NEVER once have a lost complete control of it. LEARN HOW TO DRIVE A REAL CAR PEOPLE.

Im with this guy!!!!!

[jakerps13]

I have an auto 98 with an open diff and no abs. NEVER once have a lost complete control of it. LEARN HOW TO DRIVE A REAL CAR PEOPLE.


amen

If you really have to think about it, it's probably not for you.

[alindeman1989]

^^^^^^^ x3

[OBEEWON]

Its so hard to pay attention in an auto. I fall asleep going to walmart Im so bored.

...this one time I was driving and I ran out of gas, so I urinated in my tank and it ran. Only works on KA's though.

...I imagine if you drink enough alchohol you could get a SR to run on wee wee but I dont drink.

...speaking of urine, I heard if you put pee on your face it makes your beard grow thick...

[brunswick240]

hahahahaha.

[undercoverdjay]

Driving poormans180SX's old black hatchback with a welded diff and tein coils....thats an interesting 5 hour trip. Rear end was all over the place. Kept me on my toes, but I toughed it out and got her home safe :)

[Tops*]

...this one time I was driving and I ran out of gas, so I urinated in my tank and it ran. Only works on KA's though.

if this were true, i'd urinate in my tank e'ryday.



seriously, just be a safe driver.

keep a safe, safe distance.

remember?

rwd, no abs.

pump the fucking brakes.

remember?

rwd, no abs.



orrr, just drive in reverse.

insta-fwd.

[Bushido]

i loved driving my s13 in the snow, with bald summer tires (except for the few times I got stuck backing out of my driveway).

I echo the comments made above, go to an empty parking lot and learn to feel out the car. The car is more than capable in the snow, it comes down to the capability of the driver.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/my%20240sx/pic001.jpg