New 240sx???

[sykikchimp]

From a Post on FA.... The important part is at the bottom in Bold


from http://www.drive.com.au

'Godzilla' set to roar again
By Cameron McGavin
The Age
Thursday February 6 2003
Nissan's revival gathers more speed, reports Cameron McGavin.
NISSAN will go head to head in a power war with the world's top sports-car manufacturers when its new GT-R sports coupe makes its debut this year -- and it could be heading to Australia.

Speaking at the Australian launch of the 350Z sports car this week, Nissan chief product specialist John Yukawa said the upcoming GT-R would break through the unofficial 206kW power limit, which Japanese manufacturers have adhered to for decades to appease their government.

And it won't be by a nose, either. Yukawa's benchmark for the new GT-R is Porsche's 911 Turbo, which pumps out 309kW and is regarded by many as the best sports car in the world. Expect to see a power figure of about 300kW when the GT-R is revealed at the Tokyo motor show this year.

"The GT-R will exceed 206kW (the Japanese limit)," said Yukawa. "The Porsche 911 Turbo has about 400hp -- we're aiming for that. Porsche is my ambition."

Japanese car makers have long been suspected of exceeding the self-imposed power limit and then simply quoting 206kW (or 280hp) to keep officials happy. Now that the decision has been made to abandon the agreement, Japanese performance-car makers can get serious about challenging their European counterparts.

The new GT-R is expected to be powered by a twin-turbocharged V6 engine.

The rest of the GT-R package is a secret, though there have been clues. The styling is likely to show influences from the rakish GT-R concept car shown at the 2001 Tokyo motor show. Meanwhile, four-wheel-drive -- a signature of the model -- is a certainty.

Price is another unknown, although suggestions are that it will not be cheap, stretching beyond $150,000.

Previous GT-Rs have been built purely for the Japanese market, although 100 of the original -- and, some would say, the best -- R32 model were sold through Nissan dealerships between 1991 and 1993.

The new car, however, is designed with foreign markets in mind as Nissan continues its much-publicised revival under the guidance of leader Carlos Ghosn.

Leon Daphne, managing director and chief executive of Nissan Australia, said the new GT-R was on his wish list, though he stressed that any decision would come from Japan.

"When it's available in right-hand-drive, we'd like to take it," he said. "But it would be in very limited numbers."

The GT-R name has a glorious history in Australia, despite no presence in almost a decade.

The legendary R32 GT-R earned the nickname "Godzilla" for its performances in Australian touring car racing; it was ultimately ruled out of the competition through fear of upsetting car makers Ford and Holden.

Road-going models, many of which have been privately imported over the years, won similar favour for their explosive performance and excellent handling.

Sitting below the GT-R in Nissan's planned three-tiered sports-car line-up is the 350Z, which went on sale this week for less than $60,000.

Ironically, the arrival of Nissan's new Z-car comes just as its sweet-driving 200SX sports coupe sibling bows out of the Australian market because of problems meeting future emission regulations.

But fans of affordable sports cars need not fret, because a replacement is already under development.

Nissan's John Yukawa confirmed that a new 200SX was on the way and that it would stay true to the philosophy of its predecessor. Don't be surprised, then, if the 200SX replacement is another compact, rear-drive, turbocharged coupe.

"The 200SX is an entry car for the young guy, the Z-car is a car for the macho guy and the GT-R is a car for the enthusiast," said Yukawa. "Nissan is always seeking to provide fun-to-drive cars for the customers, especially for enthusiasts. This is the Nissan way."






-----Come on.. you KNEW it had to happen... :) -----

[christopher]

YES!!!!

I still wont be able to afford it:(

[tnord]

if it really is gonna be released.........don't expect it for at least another year, so don't get too excited just yet. and there still isn't anything mentioned about a US release.

[christopher]

Still, the possibility of having a new one to swap parts out of is a nice idea. Even if it never reaches our shores I am exited.

[some guy]

If it does make it to the US, expect no turbo engine, probably a QR25DE thats in the SE-R right now. But still pretty cool 250SX S16. :D

[SilviaDriver]

awsome..wonder how its gonna look. more swapping options for us haha

[whateverjames]

it should have read:

"Nissan is always seeking to provide fun-to-drive cars for the customers, especially for enthusiasts**. This is the Nissan way."

(**This may exclude North America where millions of people would appreciate the cars as well as the rest of the world.)

:o :mad:

[KiDyNomiTe]

I was more interested in the 400HP GTR (first time I read anything about the new GTR, wow :eek: )

And about the new 200SX, I am a poor HS student so blah, and I kinda hope its not a 2 liter, and its like 2.5 or something, you figure all the other cars have been increasing in displacement, Z went from 2.4 - 3.5, Skyline went from 2.0 (prolly lower for the older ones) to 3.5 (I think), Sentra went from 2.0 to 2.5, keep tradition and give it that unreplacable displacement.

Nissan better make it look good, Infiniti seems to be stealing all the good looks (G35 > 350Z, FX45 > Murano). bring back the flip up lights :D

[DSC]

It'll prolly come to the US a year late, and with the KA. I mean, it worked for nearly 10 years w/out hardly an upgrade...it can work for another 10!
Go Nissan!

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by DSC
It'll prolly come to the US a year late, and with the KA. I mean, it worked for nearly 10 years w/out hardly an upgrade...it can work for another 10!
Go Nissan!

come to think of it they shoudl juss give us another truck motor, try and cram that titan motor in there :D

[sykikchimp]

I would be willing to bet we do get a 200sx here .. maybe not named that.. but Nissan knows the 240 has a large following here.. and they know there is a trend moving to that type of car here in america. There is most definately a market for it. If it was to come out in a year or 2 that would be perfect timing for me..

I would expect it to come to america with at least 200whp. They already said they want to be the most powerfful cars in their respective classes.. they would be competing against the Celica, and RSX, and IS300, and possibly even the new BMW 1-series.

[tnord]

if they bring it here at all........it won't be half assed. their first attempt a "sport-compact" has been anything but a success with the SE-R Vspec. everybody else is getting a slice of the "25 yrs old and 25 grand" market segment, and it's not outlandish to assume nissan will make a genuine attempt at getting their piece of the pie. my guess will be yet another RWD coupe, with possibly a de-stroked turbocharged version of the QR25DE........so it'd be more like a 2.2-2.4.....making around 225-250hp, rumor has it the the Q would respond very well to FI. the key element in all this (if it happens), is what chassis they will use. after the "red years" of the 90's with multiple platforms, there's no way they'll create an all new chassis just for this car. so.........will it be a sentra chassis (most-likely), the Z (a shortened version of it), or the maxima (turning a 4 door chassis into a coupe doesn't seem like a good idea). chassis selecton determines everything from style to engine to suspension design.

there's so much more speculation i could go into.........but it's just that........SPECULATION

[toddnappi]

who here would even seriously be interested in one, not me. i will have my car until i can afford my 911, even if that's 10 years from now.

[sykikchimp]

I was thinkin the exact same thing.. destroked, MAYBE turbo... I would guess they would use a shortened Z-chassis. use the same concepts as the Z with the engine mounted farther back in the bay.. man that would be SCHWEET.

would the B-chassis even be compatible with a RWD layout?

[kurissuS13]

if a new S-chasis, or Z/S or whatnot, is released, i'm assuming that this will be their "Sport-Compact" Car. does that mean that they'll end production of the Sentra? i don't think they'd want to have 2 cars from the same company, in the same category and, hopefully, price range fighting for "Sport Compact" supremacy.

also, if a new S-chasis is released and becomes a huge success, would this mean the return of cheap & affordable RWD compact cars?

[tnord]

who here would even seriously be interested in one, not me.

i would. and i'm sure many others my age would be. who isn't interested in a 225+ hp rwd coupe for around 25k??? can you think of anything else like that in the market.......well there's the mustang, and that's about it. don't even try and tell me there isn't a market for this.


"would the B-chassis even be compatible with a RWD layout?

i have no idea.....that's the question, what chassis would it go into?? it would seem that the firewall would have to be moved back amongst other things to get a RWD config in there, but keep in mind it is a cheaper starting point than the 350 chassis, which would likely still need some modification. it seems that shortening a chassis would be a better idea than making one longer (how much harder is it to bend a 2'' long piece of steel than a 12'' one?).

of course........this is all what i would do if i was the designer.....but i'm not, so my opinion really doesn't matter.

[tnord]

Originally posted by kurissuS13
if a new S-chasis, or Z/S or whatnot, is released, i'm assuming that this will be their "Sport-Compact" Car. does that mean that they'll end production of the Sentra? i don't think they'd want to have 2 cars from the same company, in the same category and, hopefully, price range fighting for "Sport Compact" supremacy.

also, if a new S-chasis is released and becomes a huge success, would this mean the return of cheap & affordable RWD compact cars?

1) i HIGHLY doubt there will be a new S-chassis. as i have already stated, the new "Silvia" will be based on another chassis, most likely the Z or the Sentra
2) the sentra is not a sport compact. it's a compact economy commuter car which was inneffectively modified to fit the "sport-compact" profile. if any change was made to the sentra line-up, the SE-R would be discontinued.
3) one is FWD, the other is RWD........that gives the two pretty good separation to start with. i know price is the same, but there is enough difference that they both could happily co-exist.

[240fluke]

I also highly doubt that Nissan is going to introduce an all new chassis just to have a new Silvia type car, UNLESS they were introducing a new chassis to use for MULTIPLE platforms, which does not seem likely to me.

Well, the SE-R (sentras) had co-existed with the 240sx for nearly 10 years before, probably can still do it again, but only time would tell for that. Plus there is a whole lot of fans of the SE-R's (240sx/S-Chassis enthusiasts aren't the only ones in the Nissan Family) :D .

225+ RWD, $25K, hmmm, are you talking about the V8 GT's of the V6 Stangs? Because the V8's have closer to 265 HP (and with how Ford rates there cars, that is probably on the low side for what the car ACTUALLY puts out). But remember, Mustangs are typically HEAVIER than the S-chassis based cars, so if we got a car up into the 225HP range and still weighed in at under 2900 lbs, that would be a real contender for Nissan (however, with HP ratings up that high, it would probably be pretty close to on-par with the 350Z currently in power-to-weight, so unless they raise the HP of the 350Z, I doubt it would get this high.

That is awesome that the GT-R is really moving up into Super Car Status, going to go play with the Big Dogs now. The idea of an S16 is cool, but I am curious as to how it is going to end up looking. Because the new altima is koo, the Sentra I like, the new (not yet released) Maxima I am not liking at all (Way too bland and looks like it RIPPED off the Altima styling) and the new 350Z is one of the SEXIEST cars I have ever seen (if you haven't seen a track model in Redline, just wait till you do and you will know what I'm talking about). So if it does come, I hope it does has good, fresh styling to it and maintain it's sexiness.

Hmm, maybe when the go to release a new version, instead of going with a coupe like the S14 and S15's were, maybe they will go by way of the 180sx and go with a fastback/hatchback design for the new S16, what do you people out there think? I mean the 180sx was around longer than any of the coupe based chassis'. Could be cool.

Tim '95 SE

[KiDyNomiTe]

Hmm that whole chasis thing is a tough one, a coupe version of the Sentra/Max/Altima would not good at all, thier best bet IMO is the 350Z chasis.

If they are smart they will put a turbocharged engine in there, and the Sentra engine is the only one they can really put in.

The chances of bring a car similar to the 180SX are very slim, considering the new look the cars are getting, which is more of a bulky look, it'll basically look like a tall and short probe:rolleyes:

[elevator]

http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/images/2003/02/07/07z1.jpg
This is already showing itself to be a popular car here. I have seen several on the road. Nice car!!

As for the new GT-R....... it won't be seen in the states much as you won't see Nissan introduce a Skyline with a left hand drive configuration. They just won't do that for some reason. Cosequently, the GTR is not a common muscle car in the states. Pitty....it is a GREAT automobile. One of the fastest production automobiles in the world.

[Anubis]

Originally posted by gladhatter
http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/images/2003/02/07/07z1.jpg
This is already showing itself to be a popular car here. I have seen several on the road. Nice car!!

As for the new GT-R....... it won't be seen in the states much as you won't see Nissan introduce a Skyline with a left hand drive configuration. They just won't do that for some reason. Cosequently, the GTR is not a common muscle car in the states. Pitty....it is a GREAT automobile. One of the fastest production automobiles in the world.

Nissan IS going to market the new GT-R in the USA. I believe they said that it was to become their first "Global" Supercar.

[tnord]

the fewer words you speak..........the lesser the chance you have of being perceived as a fool.

[christopher]

I would be very interested in one. I hope that they do not half a** it.

[drifterX87]

So lets see...if they make the new Silvia/200SX whatever they said, on the chassis of the 350Z/G35 wouldnt that be like the third car on that chassis? Sure its cheap, but its a load of ****. All have V6's (what in the **** is wrong with you Nissan? wheres the I4's and I6's?) and hatchback style body. GT-R going for around 70-80K? That was Australian correct? BAH I have no more respect for Nissan...

Mike

[tnord]

Originally posted by drifterX87
So lets see...if they make the new Silvia/200SX whatever they said, on the chassis of the 350Z/G35 wouldnt that be like the third car on that chassis? Sure its cheap, but its a load of ****. All have V6's (what in the **** is wrong with you Nissan? wheres the I4's and I6's?) and hatchback style body. GT-R going for around 70-80K? That was Australian correct? BAH I have no more respect for Nissan...

Mike

so you would rather not have Nissan be sold here at all? because that's what would have happened if they didn't start doing some platform sharing. not only does platform sharing make the cars profitable for Nissan, it makes them cheap for us to buy. I sure as hell don't remember any 240hp cars for under 30k in nissan's lineup back in the 90's. each car having its own chassis was a main contributor to the discontinuation of the Z32 and S chassis here in the US. why do you want an I6 over a V6 so bad? the VQ is a pretty good engine. i have quite a bit of respect for nissan for being able to go from a company on the verge of bankruptcy to one that's making huge profit 3 years ahead of schedule. ya know what drives profit in the auto industry? good product........

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by drifterX87
So lets see...if they make the new Silvia/200SX whatever they said, on the chassis of the 350Z/G35 wouldnt that be like the third car on that chassis? Sure its cheap, but its a load of ****. All have V6's (what in the **** is wrong with you Nissan? wheres the I4's and I6's?) and hatchback style body. GT-R going for around 70-80K? That was Australian correct? BAH I have no more respect for Nissan...

Mike

Last time I checked 350s are H/bs and prolly G35s too.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
Last time I checked 350s are H/bs and prolly G35s too.

Thats an EXCELLENT point.. if they DO use the 350z chassis, I bet the car would end up with at least a hatchback model..

Also if you look at the s-chassis cars historically, they Always took styling cues from the GTR's.. My bet is it will look like the mini GTR it always has, but a bit lower key.

[drifterX87]

Im not saying that sharing a platform is a bad thing, but having three/four cars on one? The Skyline and the Silvia are different cars. So is the Z and the SKyline. Why in hte hell would you make it the same hting? All Im saying is that they should make the car more what it was like, rather then having one car with three names.

Mike

Edit: one sentance was fugglemucked.

[HippoSleek]

I just can't buy this whole thing. Granted, maybe this guy knows something special about the Aussie market, but whatever it is can't apply in the US.

1. The 350z, when adjusted for inflation, costs about what an s14a cost new.

2. The US doesn't buy turbo cars. We have a history of hating them.

3. Insurance on turbo cars is outrageous.

4. RWD coupes don't sell well in the US. There's a reason all Japanese sports/sporty cars except the NSX disappeared from our shores. We didn't buy them. Now the Camaro/Firebird is gone. Nissan brought back the Z and so far so good - but based on history, I wouldn't look for more cars like that to appear.

5. As has been discussed ad nauseum, where in the Nissan line up is there room for this car? Granted the Se-R Spec-V sucks - but is there really room for a car b/n the Se-R and the z? Isn't that what got them bankrupt in the first place?

[some guy]

I think Nissan will probably shorten the FM chassis for the new Silvia. When you think about it, it doesn't really compete with the SE-R. The SE-R is a 4 door FWD compact sedan. The new Silvia will be a 2 door RWD coupe. Their target buyer is totally different. The new Silvia can use the QR25DE (180hp)or maybe for the higher end model even a VQ30DE (222hp) cost about $18,000 for the I4, $22,000 for the V6.

So the line up will look like this:
Sentra SE-R (165-175hp) $16k-$18k
Silvia 2.5S (180hp) $18k-$22k
Silvia 3.0S (222hp) $22K-$25K
350Z (287-300hp) $27K-34K
Skyline GT-R (400+hp) $50k-$60k

There's no conflict in the line up.
I sure hope Nissan do it.

[elevator]

Originally posted by tnord
the fewer words you speak..........the lesser the chance you have of being perceived as a fool.
And your point is??????????:rolleyes:

[sykikchimp]

I don't think having the s-chassis caused them to go bankrupt. It was one of their best selling cars around the world. whether or not a new car will be produced, i think is not even debatable.. but whether it will come to the US or not.

We can only hope. I am #2 that would buy this car. I think if anything it gives nissan that entry level sports coupe that so many of the generation x-y people like. Entry level is that oppertunity to create life long loyal customers. They can not miss this segment.b

[03specVchik]

the spec-v doesn't suck. it's just not the RWD coupe like the aforementioned cars. and i've driven 240s for a while (not just currently). i think nissan definitely needs something between the spec-v (a max $20k car) and the Z (a min $31k car). the spec-v, while often put up against cars in this class, doesn't really compete in the same class as other sport coupes (240s, RSXs, celicas, etc.).

either way, it'll be interesting to see how nissan handles that missing link.

[SimpleS14]

Originally posted by some guy
So the line up will look like this:
Sentra SE-R (165-175hp) $16k-$18k
Silvia 2.5S (180hp) $18k-$22k
Silvia 3.0S (222hp) $22K-$25K
350Z (287-300hp) $27K-34K
Skyline GT-R (400+hp) $50k-$60k

There's no conflict in the line up.
I sure hope Nissan do it.

There will be conflict between that line-up. If you don't remember the 240SX and 300ZX were not closely priced...but the 240SX could be bought at a cheaper price...yet produce the same amount of HP to the 300ZX and handle with the right mods for the same price as the 300ZX.

Basically what I'm saying is this "Silvia" would hurt the sales of the Z...because people like to buy inexpensive cars and eventually with the right mods this "Silvia" will out do a 350Z stock....for the same cost of buy a new 350Z.

Get what I mean?

If Nissan makes another Silvia....it will not show up in the U.S. It's too risky...

[sykikchimp]

ahh yes.. but people like us are not the main market segment. the vast majority of people will buy the car for what it is stock. Not what it's Potential is stock...

[Nismos14]

like sykik said, we're looking to mod and the vast majority is looking to put it in the garage. if u think about it the ne 240 compared to the z its a big difference, if they stick with a 4 in the 240, thats the major difference, but drop the navi and the leather and all the amenities and make it a straight up sports car something to compete with the ITR's of the world, at about the same price range and now we're talkin

[96SEChick]

I wouldn't mind having something RWD, the same weight as our 240's, but w/ the 4 cyl 2.5L Altima engine for around $22k. Those things are surprisingly quick for only being .1L larger than our engines--technology has come a LONG way!!

[some guy]

Originally posted by GT specR
There will be conflict between that line-up. If you don't remember the 240SX and 300ZX were not closely priced...but the 240SX could be bought at a cheaper price...yet produce the same amount of HP to the 300ZX and handle with the right mods for the same price as the 300ZX.

Basically what I'm saying is this "Silvia" would hurt the sales of the Z...because people like to buy inexpensive cars and eventually with the right mods this "Silvia" will out do a 350Z stock....for the same cost of buy a new 350Z.

Get what I mean?

If Nissan makes another Silvia....it will not show up in the U.S. It's too risky...

Silvia would not hurt the 350Z sales much, if any. Most people can afford the Z is cross shopping between the G35 and the Z, so the Silvia 3.0S might outdo the Z, but look at it like this, the current Altima has very close performance to the Z, yet not many cross shop between the two. The Z is more of a GT car. The Silvia is more of a sports car. I'm just pointing out that there is a possible slot for the new Silvia to fill. (and I like the name Silvia more than 240SX :p )

[SimpleS14]

Originally posted by some guy
Silvia would not hurt the 350Z sales much, if any. Most people can afford the Z is cross shopping between the G35 and the Z, so the Silvia 3.0S might outdo the Z, but look at it like this, the current Altima has very close performance to the Z, yet not many cross shop between the two. The Z is more of a GT car. The Silvia is more of a sports car. I'm just pointing out that there is a possible slot for the new Silvia to fill. (and I like the name Silvia more than 240SX :p )

What's your definition of GT car and sports car?

just curious :p

There might be a spot for this car to go against the Celica and RSX....most likely it will be a hatch (just like the RSX and Celica) because Japanese coupes do not sell very well now a days (Prelude and CL got the axe).

The Altima may have close performance to the Z....but your comparing a 4dr/5 passenger car to a 2dr/2 passenger car....that's the big difference right there. Also the Altima did take sales away from the Maxima....

[tnord]

GT cars are typically larger, heavier, and more powerful with more creature comforts.

sports cars are just the opposite of course.

if priced right, i don't think Silvia sales would significantly take away from the 350.

the altima is most definitely taking away sales from the maxima.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by tnord
the altima is most definitely taking away sales from the maxima.

yes.. but the Maxima has been redesigned and is targeting a little different market these days. the new Altima was taking sales from the older design Maxima b/c they had majorly overlapping market segments.. and the cars were simply too much alike.

[Silviaholic]

http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/images/1999/11/04/04250z.jpg


what the f is that? 250Z? Please give me a history lesson

[nissan slut]

They won't for the simple fact that the 350z is here. They are in the business of selling cars, so they don't have to closely draw a line between sports and GT car. A RWD car is a RWD car, I think we are just being greedy, getting the 350z and G35 coupe is more than enough. If you adjust for inflation, the 350z is the S14 and the GT-R and G35 coupe are the 300zxes of today. Discussion over.

[SimpleS14]

Originally posted by Silviaholic
http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/images/1999/11/04/04250z.jpg


what the f is that? 250Z? Please give me a history lesson

That's the concept car which lead to the production of the 350Z.

[nissan slut]

They won't for the simple fact that the 350z is here. They are in the business of selling cars, so they don't have to closely draw a line between sports and GT car. A RWD car is a RWD car, I think we are just being greedy, getting the 350z and G35 coupe is more than enough. If you adjust for inflation, the 350z is the S14 and the GT-R and G35 coupe are the 300zxes of today. Discussion over.

[tnord]

Originally posted by nissan slut
They won't for the simple fact that the 350z is here. They are in the business of selling cars, so they don't have to closely draw a line between sports and GT car. A RWD car is a RWD car, I think we are just being greedy, getting the 350z and G35 coupe is more than enough. If you adjust for inflation, the 350z is the S14 and the GT-R and G35 coupe are the 300zxes of today. Discussion over.

just as the camaro and corvette couldn't co-exist right? or the tunderbird and the mustang? or EVERY SINGLE STINKING BMW/BENZ. you're comment is like saying the M5 and M3 can't co-exist. and GUESS WHAT? there is going to be an M1 model out in the not-so-distant future as well. only a fool would consider all RWD cars alike. don't even try and pretend like you're some kind of marketing guru when all you do is regurgitate what other people have said. this discussion will never be over.

ps........i don't want to hear a damn thing about the camaro phasing out, it succeeded with the corvette for somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 years........and they're already designing a replacement for it.

[s14slide]

I haven't heard this much heat in a conversation since the elections. Keep it going, I'm enjoying all this speculation and controversy. :D

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by tnord
just as the camaro and corvette couldn't co-exist right? or the tunderbird and the mustang? or EVERY SINGLE STINKING BMW/BENZ. you're comment is like saying the M5 and M3 can't co-exist. and GUESS WHAT? there is going to be an M1 model out in the not-so-distant future as well. only a fool would consider all RWD cars alike. don't even try and pretend like you're some kind of marketing guru when all you do is regurgitate what other people have said. this discussion will never be over.

ps........i don't want to hear a damn thing about the camaro phasing out, it succeeded with the corvette for somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 years........and they're already designing a replacement for it.

TNord is right about the RWD thing, and there is a good chance that they will make this car, and if they follow patterns it will be at least 200HP. I would guess that the JDM version will have a 240-250 HP Turbo car, wethere or not we wil get that is a whole other subject, but they are trying to be more global, so to keep competitiveness they might release it out here, plus I assuming they know what kind of following the 240 had.

[JDM180SX]

I myself hope they release something, cuz my 240 is getting old and i'd like to have a 2nd car as a daily driver in a decent price range so I dont have to spend my life savings and get a 2nd job to afford a 350Z.

Though in my opinion there is a good chance of a new 240 or something similar due to all the publicity and organization of the annual 240 meet. I think that Nissan saw this and may be considering another car w/a similar chassis. I'd actually like to see something with the lines of a 180SX but not as long. Although something based on the 350Z chassis wont be bad. As for engine it'll probably be something like the SE-R engine w/a small turbo. Kinda like the Mazda Protege.

But still, it's all speculation. Until I see something I wont get my hopes up and keep saving for a 350Z.:)

[some guy]

GT specR
What's your definition of GT car and sports car?


Originally posted by tnord
GT cars are typically larger, heavier, and more powerful with more creature comforts.

sports cars are just the opposite of course.

if priced right, i don't think Silvia sales would significantly take away from the 350.

the altima is most definitely taking away sales from the maxima.

Pretty much what tnord said. :)

I see you point about the Silvia will steal sales from the Z, but the Z is priced so low to fill the gap the S15 leaves, if Nissan do make a S16, the Z will probably be a tad more expensive to leave room for the Silvia. And plus, the aren't that many people buying a bare bone base Z.

[some guy]

Originally posted by Silviaholic
http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/images/1999/11/04/04250z.jpg


what the f is that? 250Z? Please give me a history lesson

If thats the new Silvia, it will fail for sure. :(

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by some guy
If thats the new Silvia, it will fail for sure. :(

You have to understand concepts.




....




they never look like the production car, some are pretty similar, but always different. And that was stated to be the 350Z Concept, and it came out looking pretty nice, and I think the color makes it look worse than it is.

It kinda looks like a tall Toyota 2000GT.

[SimpleS14]

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
I would guess that the JDM version will have a 240-250 HP Turbo car....

just another engine to swap :D

[Silviaholic]

If that WAS the Silvia, I revoke my Zilvia.net membership.....

but its not...so good

[some guy]

Originally posted by KiDyNomiTe
You have to understand concepts.




....




they never look like the production car, some are pretty similar, but always different. And that was stated to be the 350Z Concept, and it came out looking pretty nice, and I think the color makes it look worse than it is.

It kinda looks like a tall Toyota 2000GT.
Let's just hope the real production model's front end will look NOTHING like that. Nissan should just revise the S15 front end and call it S16.

[Justin-ATL]

such great news, I just hope we get it over here.

[nissan slut]

Originally posted by tnord
just as the camaro and corvette couldn't co-exist right? or the tunderbird and the mustang? or EVERY SINGLE STINKING BMW/BENZ. you're comment is like saying the M5 and M3 can't co-exist. and GUESS WHAT? there is going to be an M1 model out in the not-so-distant future as well. only a fool would consider all RWD cars alike. don't even try and pretend like you're some kind of marketing guru when all you do is regurgitate what other people have said. this discussion will never be over.

ps........i don't want to hear a damn thing about the camaro phasing out, it succeeded with the corvette for somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 years........and they're already designing a replacement for it.


look there is no reason to get upset. camaro started around mid 30s, corvette 40s, mustang is sporty car, thunderbird is luxury, doesn't even sell that well for that matter, m3 loaded is 55g, m5 starts at 70g. m1 is just speculation, and it'll start around 150,000 if it does. those price gaps are alot bigger than the 2 to 3k the silvia and 350z would be. personally, i wouldn't want them to get sidetracked with the silvia instead of working on the GTR, because the 350z serves the same purpose. btw, how can you even compare the mustang and thunderbird with the silvia/350z/skyline? that just doesn't make sense. and the 2k price difference is OK for the tbird and cobra because they are two DIFFERENT cars. plus ford can do that because it does sell the most cars worldwide, last time I checked. nissan, although they are doing great, really don't need to take such a gamble, because in the end, the GTR might suffer

[tnord]

wow.........you have no idea what you're talking about.

1) the first year for the corvette was 1953
2) the first year for the camaro was 1967
3) the relative price difference between the M3 and M5 is about 27%. figure a new silvia would start at 21k, multiply that by 1.27 and you come up just short of 27k. gee, what a coincidence, right where the 350Z starts at.
4) the BMW M1 is not speculation......and it's not gonna be 150k or anything close. if you knew anything about BMW's you shoulda been able to figure out that the smaller the number of series of car, the smaller the car. BMW is releasing a new smaller line of cars called of course, the 1 series. in the not so distant future (a couple years after the redesign of the 5 series probably) the M5 will move up to a V10 in support of f1, the M3 will have a V8, and the M1 will have an I6. the M1 will be in the price range of the original M3, probably in the mid 30's.
5) the GTR is most likely pretty close to done. even if it's not, i doubt working on a new model would really be that detrimental to its success.
6) i'm not talking about the recent thunderbird, i'm talking about the old ones, that used to be basically a GT car just like the 350 is now. i don't see how you don't compare the 350 to a mustang, since it's in the same price range, same layout, same target market. don't be ignorant and dismiss it just because it's a ford. i could go on and on about this, but at this point in time, i'm sick of dealing with you.

thanks for playing, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

[Silviaholic]

holy ****...

i think you stepped on tnord dick with whatever you said....


my speculation...

250HP RWD Hatch. Wider wheel base and lower center of gravity than the s15. "FOUR Seater". I am however undecisive about the naming, s16 in JP for sure....but will it be brought back as 240SX like the 350Z? 250S? 260S?

Not to mention Nissan if VERY VERY VERY well aware of the demand for the return of the 240SX...call your local dealership and ask for one....guarntee if they did its gone along with 70 other calls regarding the same car....and they always get top if not over the to dollar for the car....

my .000002 cents which means nothing....

[nissan slut]

Originally posted by tnord
wow.........you have no idea what you're talking about.

1) the first year for the corvette was 1953
2) the first year for the camaro was 1967
3) the relative price difference between the M3 and M5 is about 27%. figure a new silvia would start at 21k, multiply that by 1.27 and you come up just short of 27k. gee, what a coincidence, right where the 350Z starts at.
4) the BMW M1 is not speculation......and it's not gonna be 150k or anything close. if you knew anything about BMW's you shoulda been able to figure out that the smaller the number of series of car, the smaller the car. BMW is releasing a new smaller line of cars called of course, the 1 series. in the not so distant future (a couple years after the redesign of the 5 series probably) the M5 will move up to a V10 in support of f1, the M3 will have a V8, and the M1 will have an I6. the M1 will be in the price range of the original M3, probably in the mid 30's.
5) the GTR is most likely pretty close to done. even if it's not, i doubt working on a new model would really be that detrimental to its success.
6) i'm not talking about the recent thunderbird, i'm talking about the old ones, that used to be basically a GT car just like the 350 is now. i don't see how you don't compare the 350 to a mustang, since it's in the same price range, same layout, same target market. don't be ignorant and dismiss it just because it's a ford. i could go on and on about this, but at this point in time, i'm sick of dealing with you.

thanks for playing, don't let the door hit you on your way out.

first, you really do need to check your attitude. here we go:

1) 30g, not 1930s, 40g, not 1940s
2)15k-20k no matter what percentage you come up with is a LOT more than the 2-3k difference. It will NOT start at 21k.
3)if you really knew half of what you think you did, there has already been an M1, which came out in 1978 was mid-engine with 277 HP coming out of 3.5 I6. you really can't even give the benefit of the doubt, huh?
4)GTR - point taken, but you have to admit it would take away from the 350z.
5)it's not that I don't compare the 350z to the mustang, it's that I don't compare the 350z and GTR relationship or silvia and GTR relationship to the mustang and thunderbird relationship. the thunderbird as far as I offered no real performance comparable to the skyline or 240z of any generation.

(insert witty conclusion sentence)

1977 BMW M1 (http://www.bmwworld.com/models/vintage/m1.htm)

if they bring out any M1 it WILL be like this.

[tnord]

Originally posted by nissan slut
first, you really do need to check your attitude. here we go:

1) 30g, not 1930s, 40g, not 1940s
2)15k-20k no matter what percentage you come up with is a LOT more than the 2-3k difference. It will NOT start at 21k.
3)if you really knew half of what you think you did, there has already been an M1, which came out in 1978 was mid-engine with 277 HP coming out of 3.5 I6. you really can't even give the benefit of the doubt, huh?
4)GTR - point taken, but you have to admit it would take away from the 350z.
5)it's not that I don't compare the 350z to the mustang, it's that I don't compare the 350z and GTR relationship or silvia and GTR relationship to the mustang and thunderbird relationship. the thunderbird as far as I offered no real performance comparable to the skyline or 240z of any generation.

(insert witty conclusion sentence)

1977 BMW M1 (http://www.bmwworld.com/models/vintage/m1.htm)

if they bring out any M1 it WILL be like this.

1) honest mistake, thought the camaro was in the 20's though.
2) i don't know what you're trying to say in the first sentence, but a 21k base "silvia" is not out of the realm of possibility. what's the SE-R Vspec cost, 16, 17 18k? a NA silvia with the same engine at 21 seems pretty reasonable to me.
3) i'm fully aware of the history of the M1, but according to BMW execs, the new M1 will be just what i said.
4) depending on the stage of development of the GTR, it doesn't have to take away.
5) random snippits from a thunderbird website-
"From 1958 through 1960 the Thunderbird could be ordered with either a 353 cubic-inch V8 engine that put out 300 horsepower or it could be ordered with a huge 430 cubic-inch engine that put out 350 horsepower. The 1961-1963 T-bird had a 390 cubic-inch V8 available and it put out 300-340 horsepower.
The only engine available for the 1969 Thunderbird was a 360 horse 429 cubic-inch V8."

so you're right, i shouldn't compare their performance, the thunderbird would've dusted em.

:p

[nissan slut]

By BMW execs, what do you mean? Do you know them personally? Because this (http://www.motortrend.com/future/spied/112_0301_m1/) is the only new M1 I have heard of.

but how much did that thunderbird weigh? what kind of racing history did it have? would a 1989 t-bird compare to a 1989 GTR?

why bother talking about base models? is that what you really want? and if you think about it, would a silvia appeal to the masses as much as a Z would? would it be worth it for nissan, especially in america? what makes the Z not good enough?

[DarkRaptor42]

Originally posted by some guy
Pretty much what tnord said. :)

I see you point about the Silvia will steal sales from the Z, but the Z is priced so low to fill the gap the S15 leaves, if Nissan do make a S16, the Z will probably be a tad more expensive to leave room for the Silvia. And plus, the aren't that many people buying a bare bone base Z.

they arent making too many bare bones Z's. The dealers I talk to said it was one base modle for every 2 models of each other. There is a HUGE market nowdays for a RWD 4 banger engine. The same people that would be buying it right now are buying WRX's and celicas. Ive been to alot of dealers however that have traded in 240s and sold 350z. Many many people want a new 240 version car. One of the main selling points of the Z is RWD. What other car around that price has that? Very few. The new 240 would I feel replace the SER and the Spec V. The sentra would become just the Sentra. The SER and Spec V sell well but Im 99% sure that a RWD would have been bought over them.

[tnord]

i have it in an issue if European Car somewhere, or C&D, i don't really want to go digging through the last 12 months of issues though.

thunderbird didn't have any significant racing history afaik. choosing 1989 for your year, the tbird would get toasted by the gtr. go back to the 60's though, before all the emissions regulations and it's a completely different story.

i think a new base model silvia would appeal to the masses much better than the 350 would simply because of price. if you want to compare top-of-the-line models fine.......then we'll have probably 27k for the silvia and 32 or so for the track model Z. yeah, 27 is right where the base 350 starts, but whose to say nissan won't just drop the base model?

and no, just a 350 is not enough. i've given you reasons why it would work.........now why don't you tell me why it wouldn't.

and why do you dismiss my price difference percentage comparison, seems pretty legitimate to me.

[DarkRaptor42]

Originally posted by nissan slut
By BMW execs, what do you mean? Do you know them personally? Because this (http://www.motortrend.com/future/spied/112_0301_m1/) is the only new M1 I have heard of.

but how much did that thunderbird weigh? what kind of racing history did it have? would a 1989 t-bird compare to a 1989 GTR?

why bother talking about base models? is that what you really want? and if you think about it, would a silvia appeal to the masses as much as a Z would? would it be worth it for nissan, especially in america? what makes the Z not good enough?

I have to reply to this. When Nissan Announced the Z they also said that this was the reinvention of the Z car. That it was the first in a new series of cars. Nissan is doing what they originally did, and thats appeal to a sports car market when there wasnt one. Thats what the first Zs did, thats what the new Z is doing. The original z back in the day did sell along side other cars nissan had that werent the top of the line. With the sales of the 350 I dont think well be seeing an new 240 right away, but it has shown that there is a demand and they will supply it.

[DarkRaptor42]

ALSO, the thunderbird was meant to be a sports car when it first came out just like the falcon. The thunderbird just evolved into somthing else. The thunderbird was the big brother of the mustang to begin with.

[SimpleS14]

I heard the BMW 1 series was going to be a hatch. :confused:


edit: They should sell a de-tuned, refreshed S15 SILVIA http://www.zilvia.net/f/images/icons/icon14.gif (j/k)

[drifterX87]

ALSO, the thunderbird was meant to be a sports car when it first came out just like the falcon. The thunderbird just evolved into somthing else. The thunderbird was the big brother of the mustang to begin with.
Yep, it was meant to contend with the vette.

Mike

[tnord]

Originally posted by GT specR
I heard the BMW 1 series was going to be a hatch. :confused:




you're right. do a google search and you'll get a bunch of spy photos.

[96SEChick]

Originally posted by DarkRaptor42
I have to reply to this. When Nissan Announced the Z they also said that this was the reinvention of the Z car. That it was the first in a new series of cars. Nissan is doing what they originally did, and thats appeal to a sports car market when there wasnt one. Thats what the first Zs did, thats what the new Z is doing. The original z back in the day did sell along side other cars nissan had that werent the top of the line. With the sales of the 350 I dont think well be seeing an new 240 right away, but it has shown that there is a demand and they will supply it.

I agree. I remember reading on Nissan USA's site a while back when the 350Z was finally being shipped that Nissan's goal is to be the best in every class it's in. Right now, they've got the Sentra (I guess to compete w/ the Civic), the 350Z, but nothing in between. A 4-cylinder RWD coupe w/ the new 2.5L Altima engine (or similar) would be great. As for pricing--probably somewhere in between the Sentra and 350Z.

BTW--if you disagree w/ my opinion, let me know! I want to hear any feedback--I won't get biatchy or anything :D I promise

[misnomer]

With the price and performance of the Z, if Nissan intends to bring in a car to play where the s chassis used to, they would need to bring it in at around $20k. The Z being priced where it is makes it too sweet a deal to have another rwd sports car approaching the mid 20s. I don't know the price point of the SE-R offhand, but I'd guestimate there wouldn't be too many problems sharing the market with a similarly priced rwd coupe. SE-R sales may suffer, and you may see it become more of an "option package" on the Sentra than how it is marketted as more or less it's own model.

With the new tendency in Nissan toward bigger motors, I wouldn't be suprised if this car is offered with 2.5 and 3.5 liter motors (like the Altima, which had shared it's motor with the 240 in the past), but I think it would make more business sense to keep it with the four banger. Having a Z and a G35 is enough, add another rwd v6 coupe and you've got major market overlap.

This is all speculation, but I think it would be wise for Nissan to release a car to compete with the Celica, Eclipse, and RSX. Given their new focus, it would be a kickass car, particularly if they can start it below $20k.

As far as the Z goes, recall that the original 240z was intended as an "entry level sports car." Sound anything like the market of the s13 to anybody else? That's the only point that makes me consider why Nissan won't release an "s16"

[ca18guy]

Anyone know anything about those 2.5L engines? If it would be a 4 cyl. it would be a safe bet we would be getting that engine. With Dodge raising the performance bar with the turbo Neon I would think there would be some type of answer from the other manufacturers, nissan might not beable to beat the 0-60 of the dodge but maybe attract customers by having RWD and some nice looks to seperate it from the rest.

[tnord]

only some general things such as the QR25DE in typical Nissan fashion, has internals that are far overbuilt. i know SCC has been going down the ****ter lately, but they said it would be an excellent cadidate for some boost.

[nissan slut]

Originally posted by tnord
i have it in an issue if European Car somewhere, or C&D, i don't really want to go digging through the last 12 months of issues though.

thunderbird didn't have any significant racing history afaik. choosing 1989 for your year, the tbird would get toasted by the gtr. go back to the 60's though, before all the emissions regulations and it's a completely different story.

i think a new base model silvia would appeal to the masses much better than the 350 would simply because of price. if you want to compare top-of-the-line models fine.......then we'll have probably 27k for the silvia and 32 or so for the track model Z. yeah, 27 is right where the base 350 starts, but whose to say nissan won't just drop the base model?

and no, just a 350 is not enough. i've given you reasons why it would work.........now why don't you tell me why it wouldn't.

and why do you dismiss my price difference percentage comparison, seems pretty legitimate to me.

ok, so it could be.

that's what's great about message boards.

::goes off on a tangent::

but on another note....what if history repeats itself? what if we have the sil and 350z....then loose them in a matter of years...then nissan goes bankrupt again......and no company (renault) comes to infuse it with cash again? this could spell the end for nissan!! all because of a 2D RWD I4....all because of our greed!!

[ca18guy]

I don't think nissan would be risking their future if they make a new 240sx. Hell they had over $2 billion in profit the first half of the year.

[SimpleS14]

Originally posted by nissan slut
ok, so it could be.

that's what's great about message boards.

::goes off on a tangent::

but on another note....what if history repeats itself? what if we have the sil and 350z....then loose them in a matter of years...then nissan goes bankrupt again......and no company (renault) comes to infuse it with cash again? this could spell the end for nissan!! all because of a 2D RWD I4....all because of our greed!!


Nobody knows what's instore for the future....

[elevator]

Originally posted by anubis9228
Nissan IS going to market the new GT-R in the USA. I believe they said that it was to become their first "Global" Supercar.

As I understand it, the GTR that will possibly be marketed in the states is NOT a Skyline. Skyline is no longer going to make the GTR it will be a Nissan product and is converting to a V6 engine. Many GTR purists are having a fit. Skyline is going to market mostly 4 dr luxury sports cars. The VIP entusiasts will be happy I guess. As yet the new GTR is still in the "concept" stage. I don't see it being as nice as the "genuine" JDM GTR.

You'll still not see any left hand drive Skylines in the USA.

[transient]

When did anyone say the skyline gtr was coming to the US? I've just seen gtr.

[elevator]

Originally posted by gladhatter
http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content-new/images/2003/02/07/07z1.jpg
This is already showing itself to be a popular car here. I have seen several on the road. Nice car!!

As for the new GT-R....... it won't be seen in the states much as you won't see Nissan introduce a Skyline with a left hand drive configuration. They just won't do that for some reason. Cosequently, the GTR is not a common muscle car in the states. Pitty....it is a GREAT automobile. One of the fastest production automobiles in the world.

I posted this, then someone called me on it saying that the GTR is coming to the USA. I was just pointing out that it will be a bit different...that's all.

Not bickering here.

[elevator]

http://www.topsecretjpn.com/aerokit/Z33/z33-eng.htm
http://www.topsecretjpn.com/Event/03autosalon/03z33-360.jpg
New Skyline Coupe!! Nice looking car!!
http://www.topsecretjpn.com/aerokit/G35/skylinecoupe.jpg

[SimpleS14]

I actually can see Nissan making a 2dr and 4dr hatchback..NOT FASTBACK...that will compete with the RSX, Celica, Golf and the upcoming Mazda3 (MX-6 reborn).

http://membres.lycos.fr/zoooz/forum/03geneva_01s.jpg

[elevator]

http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/japan/stageautech1.jpg
How about a GTR Station wagon for the family man/gear head?!
DETAILS :
· 2.6-liter DOHC 24 valve In-Line 6 with Intercooled Twin Turbo · 280hp*(GL) @6800rpm and 36.8kg/m @4000rpm · 1716kg or around 3784lbs · ¥4.5 million(est.) in Japan
PERFORMANCE :
· 0-60mph in 5.69secnods
· 0 - ¼ mile 12.97 seconds
OPINION :
· Stagea has the same engine and driveline as the Legendary Skyline GT-R. It looks great, strong, and is great for families. Why doesn't Nissan sell this car to US?
GL == Governor Limited * == Some sources say it's over 350hp
http://www.automotivearticles.com/infiniti-nissan/stageaspecs.htm

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by gladhatter
http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/japan/stageautech1.jpg
How about a GTR Station wagon for the family man/gear head?!
DETAILS :
· 2.6-liter DOHC 24 valve In-Line 6 with Intercooled Twin Turbo · 280hp*(GL) @6800rpm and 36.8kg/m @4000rpm · 1716kg or around 3784lbs · ¥4.5 million(est.) in Japan
PERFORMANCE :
· 0-60mph in 5.69secnods
· 0 - ¼ mile 12.97 seconds
OPINION :
· Stagea has the same engine and driveline as the Legendary Skyline GT-R. It looks great, strong, and is great for families. Why doesn't Nissan sell this car to US?
GL == Governor Limited * == Some sources say it's over 350hp
http://www.automotivearticles.com/infiniti-nissan/stageaspecs.htm


One reason (and this is the logical reason) station wagons are not wanted in america, if you look at Audi's and BMWs, they rule the wagon scene. All because America doesn't want any wagons, they want big cars with big engines. Although it would be nice to have some Audi 2.7T Avant vs. Nissan Stagea, Twin Turbo Wagon faceoff, although the nissan would win.

Here is my reason, America doesn't need any wagons embarrasing thier cars.


Whats this about a Mazda3, first time I heard of it, but I havent been reading much on my magazines.

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by GT specR
I actually can see Nissan making a 2dr and 4dr hatchback..NOT FASTBACK...that will compete with the RSX, Celica, Golf and the upcoming Mazda3 (MX-6 reborn).

http://membres.lycos.fr/zoooz/forum/03geneva_01s.jpg

thats a pretty sweet lookin little 5-door.

[SimpleS14]

Wagon's don't sell and I believe European cars have a big piece of that market.

[elevator]

After seeing the Stagea, and given my love for the GTR...I would have to say that this former BMW owner would MUCH rather have the Stagea than a BMW wagon! I have always liked the BMW wagons AND the Mercedes wagons, but the Stagea isn't JUST another station wagon. It is a HIGH performance automobile! Frontmount intercooler...twin turbo...GTR engine...(check out the specs!! AWESOME!) a wagon with testicles!! Granted...in the USA they wouldn't sell a lot as most Americans have no idea what a Skyline GTR is, (and it is totally unknown) but none the less it IS a formidable automobile and aging gear-heads WOULD appreciate it as a viable family alternative to the mini-van.

BTW that Mazda above is butt-ugly! :D

[AceInHole]

Originally posted by tnord
only some general things such as the QR25DE in typical Nissan fashion, has internals that are far overbuilt. i know SCC has been going down the ****ter lately, but they said it would be an excellent cadidate for some boost.

QR is an open deck design. Slightly weaker than a closed deck like the KA or SR. Taking material away near the combustion chamber isn't what you'd want to do for a turbocharged engine.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Originally posted by gladhatter


BTW that Mazda above is butt-ugly! :D

geez, the back could use some tweaking but I love the front, better looking than the Murano for sure, but FX45/35 is still a sexier looking car.

[elevator]

Just messin' witcha! :D

But "sexy" isn't a term I'd use for it!

[Jsquared]

gladhatter

As I understand it, the GTR that will possibly be marketed in the states is NOT a Skyline. Skyline is no longer going to make the GTR it will be a Nissan product and is converting to a V6 engine. Many GTR purists are having a fit. Skyline is going to market mostly 4 dr luxury sports cars. The VIP entusiasts will be happy I guess. As yet the new GTR is still in the "concept" stage. I don't see it being as nice as the "genuine" JDM GTR.

You'll still not see any left hand drive Skylines in the USA.



transient

When did anyone say the skyline gtr was coming to the US? I've just seen gtr.

um, guys? hate to break it to you, but the G35 Coupe and Sedan are the US version of the current JDM Skyline sedans and coupes.

and "skyline" doesn't make the GT-R, the GT-R is a trim level of the Skyline. the next-gen GT-R that is coming to the US will be a real GT-R (possibly different engine for US market) but its still a "Skyline GT-R" but its only going by the name "GT-R" in the US

and yes, it's coming here, the only question is whether it will use the same VQ35DETT as the JDM cars or a variation of the 4.5L V8 in the M45/Q45...

[elevator]

Originally posted by Jsquared
and "skyline" doesn't make the GT-R, the GT-R is a trim level of the Skyline. the next-gen GT-R that is coming to the US will be a real GT-R (possibly different engine for US market) but its still a "Skyline GT-R" but its only going by the name "GT-R" in the US

and yes, it's coming here, the only question is whether it will use the same VQ35DETT as the JDM cars or a variation of the 4.5L V8 in the M45/Q45...

There will be no "Skylines" coming to the US. They will be Nissans and they will have V6 engines as opposed to the traditional inline 6's that GTRs have had in the past. Skyline will no longer have a GTR. Skyline has no left hand drive vehicles. I think that the GTR as we have known them may very well be a thing of the past. The replacement?.....will it be better?....will it be a Nismo mistake?? ...time will tell.

Chevrolet doesn't make a Corvette. It is a trim level of the Chevrolet.....Same with the Impala.:D

[SimpleS14]

Originally posted by gladhatter
There will be no "Skylines" coming to the US. They will be Nissans and they will have V6 engines as opposed to the traditional inline 6's that GTRs have had in the past. Skyline will no longer have a GTR. Skyline has no left hand drive vehicles. I think that the GTR as we have known them may very well be a thing of the past. The replacement?.....will it be better?....will it be a Nismo mistake?? ...time will tell.

Chevrolet doesn't make a Corvette. It is a trim level of the Chevrolet.....Same with the Impala.:D

I know your joking...but that makes no fucking sense.

[mrmephistopheles]

Yup! Nissan doesn't manufacture cars, either! They breed hamsters and feed them shrimp and make them watch mind-control videos about the life & times of Paddington Bear.

*slap* :D

Originally posted by gladhatter
Chevrolet doesn't make a Corvette.

[transient]

um, guys? hate to break it to you, but the G35 Coupe and Sedan are the US version of the current JDM Skyline sedans and coupes.

Never debated that, but do you see the name "Skyline" on them? I sure don't. The whole point of that statement, if i'm not mistaken, is that we won't have a "Skyline" in the states, which we won't. We have a G35.

[elevator]

Originally posted by transient
The whole point of that statement, if i'm not mistaken, is that we won't have a "Skyline" in the states, which we won't. We have a G35.

Exactomundo!! :D

But will they ruin the GTR?

[sykikchimp]

From what I've read, it appears the GTR is gonna carry the VQ33DETT... thats the engine they are running in the factory race cars in japan. I wouldn't doubt it if that is what they will use for the future r35 GTR.. which (to tie back into the topic) will most definately be a big brother to the new upcomming "200sx"