H & R extended studs any good?

[aznsquad]

i got 20mm and 25mm spacers H&R spacers, ive seen everyone putting on Nismo and Moroso extended studs, but what about the H&R studs that come with their spacers? are they any good or should i just get Nismos already..

[ZenkiCam]

NO! they completely suck! i had them on my car with 20mm slip on spacers and right after i put them on and test drove the car, i heard a knocking noise and i thought it was my subframe bushings, so i took the wheel off and the studs was just in there wobbling around. all 4 studs stripped there serations. i was lucky it was just a test drive

[clark]

ZenkiCam, you probably did somethign completely wrong. what you described in no way relates to the quality of this product, so stop spreading lies about a product you can't even use. sounds like you didn't press them in properly/all the way. so shut your stupid mouth. were your spacers hub centric? did you torque everythign down equally? many variables and so quick for you to judge the quality of this product.

i have H&R extended studs that came with my 10mm spacers to go with my ichiba hubs. knocked the old studs out, pulled these on. went on wihtout a problem, havn't had a problem for several thousand abusive miles.

and the "serrations" are referred to as the "knurl" or "spline".

again, i have had a different experience. i have been more than satisfied with the H&R extended studs.

you will never have a problem if you always torque your lugs with a torque wrench.

[Dousan_PG]

hahaha you installed them wrong
H&R is good stuff
i currently use nismo on my car cost was good and easy to get

[ILoveJDM]

lol, what

he didnt install them wrong

the same shit happened to me

bought 20mm spacer and it came with extended studs.

my wheel fell off.

3 studs fell out and were stripped, 1 stud was bent holding the wheel on.

h&r knew of the problem and sent me 25mm's free.

this happened 3 years ago, and back then i searched and other people had the same problem

these are the exact pictures i sent h&r 3 years ago, car is gone, wheels are gone. see how that stud is bent and all fucked up? see how much longer the teeth are on the oem stud?

i ended up using Peak Performance studs and they worked great.



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[quentinchan]

Why not just get Kics bolt-on spacers? or just any kind of bolt-on... Make life easier on yourself right, not harder. Safety is a plus

[TurDz]

lol, what

he didnt install them wrong

the same shit happened to me

bought 20mm spacer and it came with extended studs.

my wheel fell off.

3 studs fell out and were stripped, 1 stud was bent holding the wheel on.

h&r knew of the problem and sent me 25mm's free.

this happened 3 years ago, and back then i searched and other people had the same problem

these are the exact pictures i sent h&r 3 years ago, car is gone, wheels are gone. see how that stud is bent and all fucked up? see how much longer the teeth are on the oem stud?

i ended up using Peak Performance studs and they worked great.


More details would help your case.

H&R has hub-centric spacers, but were the wheels you were using hub centric?

How did you press inthe knurled edge into the hub? Are you sure all studs were fully pressed in before installing the spacer and wheel?

A stud/bolt is made only to hold tension, not to bend. So you can't use a bent stud as a basis for a bad stud.

When you say "fell out and were stripped," do you mean the knurl was stripped? Maybe the knurl stripped as you were carefully torquing the lugs? And if they stripped in that process, then of course you wouldn't have enough clamping force between the wheel/spacer/hub?

[ZenkiCam]

what you described in no way relates to the quality of this product, so stop spreading lies about a product you can't even use.

how the hell does it not relate to the quality, i obviously said they stripped them selves out, relating to the poor quality of the product, and 2 your 2nd part of the sentence didnt make any sense. go back to school.

many variables and so quick for you to judge the quality of this product.

But oh guess what, all of the variables you mentioned where done properly by me, hubcentric, installed properly, and torqued to spec. and your damn right i was quick to judge because if my life was put into jeopardy by these studs someone would be getting sued.

ZenkiCam, you probably did somethign completely wrong. what you described in no way relates to the quality of this product, so stop spreading lies about a product you can't even use. sounds like you didn't press them in properly/all the way. so shut your stupid mouth. were your spacers hub centric? did you torque everythign down equally? many variables and so quick for you to judge the quality of this product. i have H&R extended studs that came with my 10mm spacers to go with my ichiba hubs. knocked the old studs out, pulled these on. went on wihtout a problem, havn't had a problem for several thousand abusive miles.

and the "serrations" are referred to as the "knurl" or "spline".

again, i have had a different experience. i have been more than satisfied with the H&R extended studs.

you will never have a problem if you always torque your lugs with a torque wrench.

ok, first off, i didnt do anything wrong. i installed my studs the proper way. 2nd of all. the spacers and studs were both H&R, so yes they were hub centric. they were 20mm slip ons. 3rd. dont call me a fucking idiot. i take what you said as harrassment, and will be reporting that to a moderator. 4th, my wheels hub was the same size as the spacers, no bigger, and of course no smaller. i can see how you dont have a valid argument because your using small ass 10mm slip ons. whoopdeedoodah day. also i bet your wheels/tires, didnt weigh 40lbs a piece either. (18x9.5 SSR VIENNA's) also i had them on the rear not on the front so there was extra stress added to them. so next time you come in here acting like you know all of the story realize you dont, and you wont make yourself look like a complete ass. thanks. have a nice day.

god. kids these days.

oh PS. i ended up using some crazy long ass racing studs, that had serations that stuck out through the mounting side of the hub, and never had a problem with them! :bow:

and yea? i have always called it serrations as did one of my instructors a while back who was an ASE master Technician.

OH! one more thing, i have a torque wrench and i tightened each wheel down to 80lbs. nissan calls for what 75-87lbs? yea i didnt over torque them.

H&R needs to step up and make a better stud.

lol, what

he didnt install them wrong

the same shit happened to me

bought 20mm spacer and it came with extended studs.

my wheel fell off.

3 studs fell out and were stripped, 1 stud was bent holding the wheel on.

h&r knew of the problem and sent me 25mm's free.

this happened 3 years ago, and back then i searched and other people had the same problem

these are the exact pictures i sent h&r 3 years ago, car is gone, wheels are gone. see how that stud is bent and all fucked up? see how much longer the teeth are on the oem stud?

i ended up using Peak Performance studs and they worked great.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/240sxy/ssa40130.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/240sxy/Untitled-TrueColor-07.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/240sxy/IMGP1846.jpg
Excellent.

thank you so much, exactly what mine looked like. maybe if he would step up into the big boy sizes hed see what we mean.

and after this little incident, im bolt on or nothing.

and clark, thats easy for you to say when you havent even had this experience. that smartass comment deffinately made you look cool. :bowrofl:

and dousan, once again, i didnt install them wrong. and yes H&R deffinately makes a quality product, and i am more than happy with my 25mm bolt ons i have from them, but their studs completely and utterly SUCK ASS.

Clark you just got first class OWNED. :duh:

/thread.

[aznsquad]

Why not just get Kics bolt-on spacers? or just any kind of bolt-on... Make life easier on yourself right, not harder. Safety is a plus


yes, only the 25mm H&R ones are bolt on, but anything lower is slip on with their extended studs they include. i have the bolt on 25mm in the rears, but have the 20mm slip on with their extended studs in the front.... which worries me now...

[lilredstiffy]

H&R will work, but like the pictures show, side by side they seem to lack beefiness. I had some years ago and didn't feel comfortable using them because of the shallowness of the threads, so I sold on freshalloy.

I would suggest stock, Nismo, Peak Performance, or ARP studs for any application.

[quentinchan]

Kics makes bolt-on for 20mm hehe! I found a really old sales threads... check it out, and search on google for it. Kics are pretty awesome! good luck!

http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/151465-fs-kics-20mm-spacers.html

[aznsquad]

how is the quality of the studs that come pressed in already on the 25mm bolt on H&R spacers? are they crap as well?
any bolt on spacers that are hubcentric? the kics arn't...
if there is nothing then i guess i will go with the ARPs or Nismos (i have a dust sheild on, and putting in extended studs will not be fun as i will have to remove the brake assembly/hubs =( )
i have a 1 year old son that rides in the car occasionally so safety is absolutely essential.

[bing]

H&R studs suck... fell out of my car too, like 4 years ago.

Nismo break, see SPL's gif. on their site.

The only studs you should be using at ARP

/stud discussion forever.

[sultan]

i used to have a picture of stock, arp and the h&r studs that came with my 20mm spacers next to each other, h&r knurl was way shorter and the studs didn't look as beefy, sold them for like $15 since i was using the arp's anyway

[aznsquad]

i have decided to go with peak performance extended studs as moroso's rust very easy, Nismo's are crap and ARPs are super expensive with .565 knurl and 12mmx1.50 compaared to stock .563 knurl and 12mmx1.25. and nobody has anything bad to say about peak performance extended studs anyways...

thanks for all the input guys! much appreciated.

[EroGori]

I think people wouldn't have these problems if they used properly sized wheels instead of relying on spacers to make their wheels fit.

[jookybanana]

H&R suck, i had 15mm and 20mm H&R spacer kit (back in 2003, unless they change their studs now) and the studs spun as i tighten the lug nuts, so i could never get it torqued to spec, my h&r studs looked just like those in the pictures iloveJDM posted

[NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14]

ya they suck,,,,, get nismo

[ZenkiCam]

What now clark?

[wangan_cruiser]

LOL nismo do stripped too. get arp instead.


SPL PARTS (http://www.splparts.com/main4/index.htm)

[ZenkiCam]

yes ARP or go home. the studs i replaced the H&R's with were ARP. But they were probably 70mm studs.

[aznsquad]

how about the studs that come already pressed in on the 25mm H&R bolt on spacers? would they be ok since the knurls are made for the spacer and not for the hub?

[iMAGE976]

i've had kics, i've had H&R , and i've had Wheeladapters.com's custom made ones as well and i'd have to say the custom made ones were by far the best i've had. they were made for my car and for my rims at the time. Hubcentric and all......i've never had a problem with any of them as long as they are installed properly....just my $.02

[INeedNewTires]

I strongly believe in ARP however i have a few quirks about em. One they dont come in 'exactly' the right size for our cars. SPL has found a size that will work, but not perfectly. i've read about reports of them falling out or spinning loose after track time because they dont seat exactly right. And although advertized to have a 'quick start head' they do not, which really pisses me off because i love a quick start head and even the pics on SPL's website show it to have one. I ordered them from them, and they do not-so i returned them.

The second thing i hate is they only extend 10mm up front for S14, and 20 out back. the rear is fine but front not so much.

Third thing is they are FUCKING expensive for the S14 fronts. over 100 bucks for 10 studs is insane.

And finally i hate the fact that they are a different thread pitch. I know its small but i just dont like it. Plus if you've already invested in nice lug nuts, then that is out the window.

So that being said i ordered a set H&R but have not put them on yet. So the verdict is out on them as well. my 2c

[az_240]

The H&R ones are fine. People who break them don't know how to press them in all the way or do not have the right ones installed (on the S14 the front and rear use different studs)

I have Nismo's on the rear and H&Rs in the front and have never had any problems with either

[ZenkiCam]

what size slip ons?

[clark]

What now clark?

lol @ threatening to report me, but then taunting me...

perhaps i do stand corrected, and now after reading your much more descriptive post, i may have to digress. however it could be a possibliity that you received a bad batch, but doubtable as they are iso certified and have very stringent QA.

your origianl post was "they suck, i put them in and they broke my car" so naturally i read it as a noob post. if i didn't play devil's advocate and left your shitty post there someone would google search "doo h&r spacesrs suck" your posting would have shown up and scared a potential buyer for their product.

i just don't want misleading information out there. plus i have a dirty mouth, don't get all huffy puffy.

i get mad when i find mis information on the internet, and there have been several times where i gone against "aw this product sux, don't get it" and have been completely satisfied with that product, regardless of the assinine review it received on the internet.

so i apologize if you were offended, but next time, if you really want to voice your opinoin, make sure your description is clear.

if you were selling a product, and your product just so happened to be defective (even companies wiht six sigma certification have a certain amount of defects per million unit) and someone was disatisfied and started spreading a whole bunch of crap about your product, how would you feel.

[ZenkiCam]

yea i know. i didnt dont worry. i was just pissed off. but yea i was in a hurry when i posted that, i was getting ready to go to an event. glad we came to an agreement.