Gran Turismo - Tsukuba Lap Times

[nismoskyz]

The popularity of this post has inspired me to make a little ranking, so members can see who's time they are able to top.


The top Tsukuba-lapping Zilvia members:



Vehicle Restrictions:
No: F1, GT, supercars, or concept cars.
All other vehicles allowed regardless of class.
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Game: Gran Turismo 4
Track: Tsukuba Circuit (dry)
Driving Aids: Off (ABS OK)


GT4

46.654 - racepar1 - '00 Espirit
46.886 - UfoZ8myCow - '03 Viper
47.315 - vvtisupra - RX-7
47.379 - suprafreak1000 - '99 Elise
47.5xx - s13dan - Supra
49.xxx - Wookie384 - R34


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Game: Forza Motorsport 2
Track: Tsukuba Circuit
Driving Aids: Off (ABS OK)


FM2

50.672 - Yellow4g63 - MINE's R34
51.134 - nismoskyz - MINE's R34
51.410 - !Zar! - Cayman
52.021 - JRas - MINE's EVO
52.089 - ZilviaKid - Exige 240Go at it and submit your own time.

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Midfield Raceway
Midfield

1'01.099 - Spoolpigeon - '03 Viper
1'01.241 - UfoZ8myCow - '03 Viper
1'03.326 - nismoskyz - MINE's R34


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original post:

So I was playing GT4 after a while, for a while this morning...
I lapped a few of the 'top dogs' on Tsukuba and here are the times I came up with.. put the info in a table for clarity:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1562/laptimessf2.png

All cars were 'fully built' to the extent of what the game allows and were equipped with racing tires as well.

The S2K was tearing it up and definitely the most fun to drive (in the game at least...) .. probably just because it was revving so high.

It's surprising to see the S2K, being half as powerful as the supra and half as expensive as the NSX, rank up so high.

The 240 pulled a considerably good time too, but I wasn't able to make it cut a higher time than what I did.

The F1 - formula GT car made everything else look like tercels, lol .. taking turns i hit in the s2k at 70mph at around 130mph..

and some evidence for you...

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5111/img2446800ot0.jpg

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2088/img2447mediumzj9.jpg


a friendly challenge to anyone w/ GT4 to take an Amuse S2K against the time I got... took me a lot of laps to get the time on that one

[JRas]

see what track times you get with an Evo or STi

I have Forza 2 ( Xbox 360 ), I like the S2k but once I put on some bigger turbos, the car becomes too peaky and It will actually throwout the balance of the car when I hit boost.

I love racing video games :w00t:

[mr_240sx]

yes forza 2 is a blast with tsukuba.

[HyperTek]

ok i havent tried my steering wheel on ps2 yet *usually use it on pc games*.. ill see what i can do

[nismoskyz]

yeah I agree, my cousin has Forza2 so I've been playing that, but all I've got at home is GT4 so I had to make the best of it :) (GT4 was top though when it first came out, but Forza2 is awesome... I'm waiting for the Real, full GT5 to come out)

One thing I love about Forza2 is the telemetry screen... it's so detailed and informative.

I'll probably try out the Evo later and see what I get... though I wonder how Tsukuba lap times will differ from GT to Forza...

[slider2828]

Actaully I forgot where, but there is a forum that is specifically dedicated to GT lap times and running monthly contests for top times with top cars... LIke SCCA for GT hhahaha

[jworks]

lol I think i'll take up on your challenge, I started playing GT4 a lot these past few days. For some reason I like running time attacks on the Clubman route the non-complex one. Your not pumping any nitrious when you run thoes time attacks are you?

[nismoskyz]

@slider2828
haha yeah I think I've heard of it.. gtplanet.com/net ? never really got into their contests though but it sounds pretty fun.

[nismoskyz]

@jworks
haha, cool cool, I await your time.

yeah clubman is pretty fun, I remember back in the first GT they had like clubman special stage 11 or something like that. It was this crazy complex night track..pretty fun.

nope, no nitrous, let's see what you've got :)
btw that's the street version of the amuse s2k, mod it up as much as you like

*edit
oh yeah i forgot to mention.. i did (all of) the laps without any traction control or stability management... but go for it and see what you get..

[vvtisupra]

your times are slow


I did this in FD that was fully modded not a race one

http://x68.xanga.com/b4cd960372c34118388844/o85047995.jpg

[nismoskyz]

with or without traction control+stability management?

not bad... if without.

if you have ABS, ASM, and TCS on I feel like its cheating because you don't really have to 'control' the car, you can just fully slam the gas, brake, and steering and everything will work. When you have all that off is where I feel the real challenge/fun comes in because it requires much more precision.

[blackrms13]

man when it comes to racing game
Xbox controller > PS/PS2/PS3 controller
because you get to really control how much pressure ur putting
PS3 controller got that tigger feature but still not as good
i guess this is where steering wheel comes in

[JRas]

man when it comes to racing game
Xbox controller > PS/PS2/PS3 controller
because you get to really control how much pressure ur putting
PS3 controller got that tigger feature but still not as good
i guess this is where steering wheel comes in

I can't get used to it I play with buttons, and use the triggers to shift up and down :hsdance:

[s13dan]

i had a street supra i got to run 47.5 seconds. took a while.

[JRas]

double post.. shit

[nismoskyz]

man when it comes to racing game
Xbox controller > PS/PS2/PS3 controller
because you get to really control how much pressure ur putting
PS3 controller got that tigger feature but still not as good
i guess this is where steering wheel comes in

i totally agree.. the triggers on the xbox controller are really good as gas and brake... on PS2 you can use the analog sticks though, the left one for steering and use the right one, up and down, for gas and brake... works pretty well.

steering wheels are cool and all but they feel more difficult to me sometimes.. especially if you have a cheap one and there's little/no feedback in the wheel.

[nismoskyz]

@vvtisupra

wow.. i hadn't even tried lapping the RX-7 yet.. that thing is insanely quick!
just did a couple of laps on it... the best i could get for now is

48.797 seconds

it's now number 1 after the F1 car.

[nismoskyz]

I ran some laps with a fully done up Evo VIII MR

best time I got was 52.325 seconds

see what track times you get with an Evo or STi

I have Forza 2 ( Xbox 360 ), I like the S2k but once I put on some bigger turbos, the car becomes too peaky and It will actually throwout the balance of the car when I hit boost.

I love racing video games :w00t:

[vvtisupra]

No traction aid. And i did this time on that force feed back steering wheel bull shit




with or without traction control+stability management?

not bad... if without.

if you have ABS, ASM, and TCS on I feel like its cheating because you don't really have to 'control' the car, you can just fully slam the gas, brake, and steering and everything will work. When you have all that off is where I feel the real challenge/fun comes in because it requires much more precision.

[DataXUnknown]

I hope you guys are using the Logitech Driving Force Pro or some other kind of wheel. bwuahaha man I gotta snap some pics of my times.

[JRas]

I ran some laps with a fully done up Evo VIII MR

best time I got was 52.325 seconds

I used this in Forza 2, shit owns
http://images.turbomagazine.com/features/0610turp_01z+mitsubishi_lancer_evolution_8+left_fr ont_view.jpg

[nismoskyz]

what time did you get on that in Forza?

[!Zar!]

ugh.

gt4.

That shit sucks SO hard.

The game where ALL cars push.

...

[JRas]

what time did you get on that in Forza?

53 seconds, best out of 3 laps

I'm guessing GT4 and Forza 2 are different

dam it.. I'm gonna go play it now :2f2f:

[nismoskyz]

not the Daimler motor carriage :D
lol

ugh.

gt4.

That shit sucks SO hard.

The game where ALL cars push.

...

[nismoskyz]

haha yeah go do it :) .. well the evo i was driving did have like 500-600 hp .. slammed and on super soft tires.. it's possible that it's just faster :)

do it on GT4 and post your time

53 seconds, best out of 3 laps

I'm guessing GT4 and Forza 2 are different

dam it.. I'm gonna go play it now :2f2f:

[!Zar!]

Damn.

Now I'm playing forza2 again.

[JRas]

took some photos :P
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/2210/forza2002fd7.jpghttp://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4214/forza2003ad6.jpghttp://img404.imageshack.us/img404/351/forza2005lv1.jpg

it could just be like I said, my accelerate is 100% whenever I tap the button.. I don't use the triggers where you can control your pressure.

In cars like the s2000, I will go to accelerate out of a turn or mid-turn and have traction problems, reasonable because I'd basically be with my foot to the floor, instead of slowly getting back on the throttle.

[zilvia_brothers]

havent played gt4 in months...i'll start up again and post my times

[nismoskyz]

@JRas
yeah, throttle pressure can be pretty difficult to properly manipulate on forza. it's really sensitive at times. Upgrading the tire compound is an obvious thing to do... aside from that, try messing with the alignment and tire pressures. None of that really makes a difference, though, when you're pushing 6, 7, 800 hp.

Just have to develop that precision in your trigger finger :P

[nismoskyz]

hmm.. i'm wondering if i should create a table or something and list members and their highest times on tsukuba...

*edit*
check out the original post.

[VQMaxFan]

You should change the thread title for forza 2 also. Or we could start another thread lol

I sold my ps2 a long time ago :( I had the force feedback wheel and all that crap for it too.

[Yellow4g63]

Old vid back from 06 so it's old as hell lol but video of the times.

Cadillac Cien 02 :44.074 http://www.3rdgearvtec.net/Andys%20Videos/GT4/GT41.wmv

Dodge Viper SRT10 03 :44.458 http://www.3rdgearvtec.net/Andys%20Videos/GT4/GT42.wmv

[Spoolpigeon]

43.885 with the suzuki gsxr/4 :)

[stiizy]

Old vid back from 06 so it's old as hell lol but video of the times.

Cadillac Cien 02 :44.074 http://www.3rdgearvtec.net/Andys%20Videos/GT4/GT41.wmv

Dodge Viper SRT10 03 :44.458 http://www.3rdgearvtec.net/Andys%20Videos/GT4/GT42.wmv

Whats up with no sound in these vids??

cool though

[renegade_ewok]

I should go check my best lap times... but I think my record holder right now is a 350Z @ 46.3 seconds if I remember correctly? I'll have to plug in the old PS2 and check...

[ZilviaKid]

do you wanna start a table for forza2 aswell OP? because i know for a fact that forza times are usually +3 seconds or more..

[Yellow4g63]

Whats up with no sound in these vids??

cool though

Don't know I could only record it some how in blk in white from the PS2 onto my camcorder I think. It was 06 so I don't rem.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Man good to know people still play GT4, makes me want to hook up my ps2 again! I'll see what I can do. Tsukuba is a fun course, although I prefer Nurburgring...pussies. :keke:

[JRas]

I played Forza 2 again today

Nissan s14 ( fully done up )
0.53.531
RB swap
883hp
689lb-ft
2,396lb

strangely the rb swap is more stable of a car than with the sr, even with the added weight the weight distribution is the same. I think it may be the powerband

I actually beat that HKS Evo record today, with MINE's Evo 6 ( fully done-up )
0.52.021
705hp
499lb-ft
2,292lb ( could lose more weight from wheels used heavier gramlights 57C's also used 18's )

I'd rather be driving an AWD vehicle on the track either way, I'm able to effectively put the power to the ground consistantly, in the end that's what you want.

anyways you guys are playing an old game on an old console... Forza 2 or GT5 should be the only logical choice here :P

[suprafreak1000]

i just finished doing some laps in that amuse s2k street version. i hate that thing lol

Here's some of my top times, and the s2k from ur challenge nismo

Formula Gran Turismo '04- 43.431
AMUSE S2000 Street Version '04- 49.522
Nissan Skyline GT-R Vspec LM Limited- 51.311
Nissan 240sx (S14) '96- 51.859

ill post the pic of the times in a lil bit when i can find a camera

Edit-

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g172/suprafreak1000/1114081812-1.jpg

my top 5 fastest so far, the others i deleted

[origin_s135]

i'll try this out.

[PoorMans180SX]

Ugh, forza 2, where all cars oversteer like you're playing ridge racer.

Dang, I have to bust out the wheel and start playing GT4 again. I miss it.

[ZilviaKid]

Todays forza2 hot laps for me.

Subaru 22b
649 hp/537 lbft - 2,304 lbs
00:53.391

Exige 240
617 hp/410 lbft - 1735 lbs
00:52.089

more to come later

[WanganRunner]

Fuck these fast cars.

Who can get the fastest time with a Subaru 360?


I'll post mine later. The 360 one-make race is fun as shit, especially as you can get the full A-Spec points even if you change your gearing with a full-svc trans.

[Pblesh85]

Instead of listing your mods to the cars you should stick to the classes, i.e. a, b, c, ect...

Its more fun to see what you can do in class b & a cars because they are close to what we all want to build our cars to(stat wise).

This is for forza 2 btw.

[Yellow4g63]

My best B class time @ Tsukuba was a 57.554 in a VW Golf MK2

In U class I only did a 51.569 with the Mine's R34. I usally just played B class.

B class
Mazda Laguna Seca 1:29.771 in the Golf
Megello 1:56/352 in the Golf again
The Ring I did in 8:07.92 with the NSX-R
Road Atlanta 1:26.847 Fairlady Z ver S
Sebring 2:14.608 Fairlady Z ver S
Sazuka 2:09.655 Mugen Integra I get close to that time with my Golf just never beat it :(
Maple Valley 1:32.164 in the NSX-R

I dont play at all anymore tho lol si I prob suck now.

[Pblesh85]

how do you have your golf set up, I can barly touch the 58.xxx mark.

You are playing forza 2 right ?

[!Zar!]

Ugh, forza 2, where all cars oversteer like you're playing ridge racer.

Dang, I have to bust out the wheel and start playing GT4 again. I miss it.

Uhh.

Do you say that about real life also?


How about you learn how to drive the cars propperly.

Forza 2 is THE best driving game out at the moment.

I can't really comment on gt5 being as how it hasn't really hit the streets yet.

Gt4, are you fucking kidding me?

It's almost impossible to spin out. ALL the cars understeer and have funky handling.

[luftrofl]

Ugh, forza 2, where all cars oversteer like you're playing ridge racer.

Dang, I have to bust out the wheel and start playing GT4 again. I miss it.

If you're concerned about realism, GT4 is not the game to play. The game is incredibly unrealistic at low speeds and barely realistic at high speeds. IIRC, the rear tires have unlimited lateral traction at low speeds no matter how fast the rear wheels are spinning. Additionally, the current Mustang would never slide even if you locked the rear wheels at high speed.

GT4 is pretty to look at and fun, but hardly realistic. I almost want to say that GT3 was better.

Best driving game for PS2, hands down, is Enthusia.

[racepar1]

I gotta go back and check, it has been a while since I played GT4. For those who are posting times please be sure to include the tires that you are running. I set all my tsukuba times on soft compound sports tires and use only tuned street cars or tuner cars. I try to keep it ia "time attack" as possible. I do not even use anything that I could consider a "supercar" either, I test those elsewhere.

[Yellow4g63]

how do you have your golf set up, I can barly touch the 58.xxx mark.

You are playing forza 2 right ?

Yea Forza 2

Stock motor with the a super charger full weight down, 6spd, racing slicks. I'm right at 700. I didn't set the suspension on it tho I had this guy do it for me and I ran with it. On the last corner I don't even use the break, I just let off and make the turn then back on it.

[racepar1]

Man good to know people still play GT4, makes me want to hook up my ps2 again! I'll see what I can do. Tsukuba is a fun course, although I prefer Nurburgring...pussies. :keke:

Nurburgring FTW! I know every damn corner of that track!

[Yellow4g63]

Nurburgring FTW! I know every damn corner of that track!

One of my fav tracks:hsdance:

[Pblesh85]

Yea Forza 2

Stock motor with the a super charger full weight down, 6spd, racing slicks. I'm right at 700. I didn't set the suspension on it tho I had this guy do it for me and I ran with it. On the last corner I don't even use the break, I just let off and make the turn then back on it.

how is that car a class b car still at 700bhp, no weight, and slicks ?

My best time with srtiped down, slicks, r32 awd set up, 6 speed(did not play with gear ratio yet), and 241 hp/ 236 tq is still only a 58.6xx

I found a tunning calculator that helps you set up the car correctly if you are playing forza 2

http://www.croisened.com/

[Yellow4g63]

700 points the max for B class.

[Pblesh85]

oh, i miss understood. I thought you meant 700hp.

how much hp is it putting down ?

[Yellow4g63]

257hp 235lbs of TQ

[JRas]

One of my fav tracks:hsdance:

hardest track out of all of them

good track, but difficult

as for classes... I mod my cars to the max... everything, unless the car can't handle it.

[racepar1]

My top 5, all times were set with sports soft tires, NOT racing tires.

FD Rx-7 spirit R- 52.872
shelby series 1- 52.969
falken GTR race car (r-34)- 53.026
'05 BMW M5- 53.701
altezza touring car '01- 53.758

All cars were fully modded.

[nismoskyz]

wow... some pretty good times you guys posted.

GT4 may not be so incredibly realistic but you've gotta acknowledge that it was the first racing game to give a good shot at driving simulation. i agree though, cars seem to have some pretty ultimate traction in there. i wanna play gt5, the real one, not the prologue and see how that compares.

i'll go ahead and see if i can sort through some of the times you guys posted and add it to a separate rank for FM2.

[nismoskyz]

okay, just updated the ranks... if i missed anyone just post your time again and be sure to include what game it is.

also, please be honest... this is just for fun.

currently vvtisupra and JRas hold the records for GT4 and FM2, respectively.

[racepar1]

I guess I'm gunna have to throw some race tires on the FD and bury some fools! LOL!

[!Zar!]

I need to set some laps for forza.

Also, Nismoskyz: It's spelled Chuuki. lol.

[racepar1]

Threw some racing super soft's on my FD rx-7 spirit R. It took me about 6 laps, but I knocked out a 47.943. I'm pretty rusty though! I haven't played in like a year and my hands were kinda shakey! LOL! I gotta put some effort into it, knock the rust off, and bust a 46.

[nismoskyz]

@!Zar!
lol, you wanna photoshop my drawing for me then? .. that was a while ago anyway..
oh, it's nismo skyZ btw :P

@racepar1
gonna have to do a little better than that man.. keep going! :)

@rest of you
rank updated..

[!Zar!]

Haha. I suck at photoshop.
F`oza 2

Nsx-r 950pi(A) : 53.628
I know I have at least another half a second in me.

Elise 135r 692pi(B) : 58.198
I need to drive this some more.

Neither car has driving aids. I'm not a pussy.

[PoorMans180SX]

I guess it's a matter of preference, but I have quite a successful drift setup on my S15 in GT4. I just think it takes more tuning that in Forza. I just don't like how in Forza it seems like you're either understeering or oversteering, there's no in between.

[UfoZ8myCow]

Here are my rankings on GT4 Tsukuba. I use a steering wheel and no driving aids. Most of the cars are fully modded out with custom suspension settings, the top 4 or 5 were on soft race tires, the rest on medium.

1. 99 Dodge Viper GTS (927hp) - 47.974
2. 00 Nissan Skyline GTR V Spec N1 (765hp) - 49.511
3. 00 Pagani Zonda C12S (980hp) - 50.555
4. 93 Nissan Skyline GTR V Spec N1 (749hp) - 50.903
5. 00 RUF RGT (542hp) - 51.075
6. 98 Nissan 300ZX 2+2 (823hp) - 51.498
7. 96 Nissan Skyline GTR V Spec (718hp) - 51.638
8. 99 Nissan Silvia Spec R Aero (445hp) - 51.701
9. 00 Mazda RX7 Type RS (462hp) - 51.935
10. 96 RUF CTR2 (899hp) - 52.198

Edit: just ran a 49.5 in my Skyline. Took me a good 10 laps to get my touch back... All the other records were set way back in 2007, I havent played in forever.

[origin_s135]

grrrrr, imma start working on this tomorrow. i'll this talk is hyping me up. i'm thinking about building up a civic type r for this track; we'll see.

[Spoolpigeon]

here ya go. no driving aids, just spraying the bag off these cars

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n315/spoolpigeon/gt4laptimes.jpg

[Yellow4g63]

U class NSX-R GT :51.896 No aids if I had abs could prob drop down to a 50 prob. @ Tsukuba forza 2.

[racepar1]

here ya go. no driving aids, just spraying the bag off these cars

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n315/spoolpigeon/gt4laptimes.jpg

I would say the elise should be the one that counts there, the rest are either concepts or race cars. A 46.1 though!!!??? I have never had much of a liking for the motor sports elise in GT4. New benchmark there!

[nismoskyz]

those are some really fast times spoolpigeon ..

@Yellow4g63
nice time but its a GT car, sorry

//times updated

Spoolpigeon and yours truly have taken the leads for GT4 and FM2, respectively.

[!Zar!]

So, what's the class limit for forza?

S?

Because my lil A car needs some more get up and go.

haha.

[nismoskyz]

hmm.. i wasn't really looking at classes for FM2, rather, just whether or not the car was initially a GT car (or an R class car).

i don't see what's wrong with tuning a street car to the U-class level as long as its a street car to begin with, since that's pretty much what we're doing in GT4 as well.

[suprafreak1000]

built up the lotus, so far I've ran a 47.379

if you could update mine with the lotus in place of the s2k nismo. thanks

[Spoolpigeon]

those are some really fast times spoolpigeon ..



thanks! I tried to improve the times today, but no luck.

[Yellow4g63]

those are some really fast times spoolpigeon ..

@Yellow4g63
nice time but its a GT car, sorry

//times updated

Spoolpigeon and yours truly have taken the leads for GT4 and FM2, respectively.

http://www.uberrides.com/photos/0305/nsx_r_gt0.jpg
It's a production car not a race car. Like the Skyline GTR N1 ect.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q211/Bluerb240/P1010421.jpg

[nismoskyz]

whoops, my mistake spool yellow4g63... i just read the GT in the name and assumed that. corrected.

@suprafreak1000
what kind of lotus?

times updated

[suprafreak1000]

oh sorry, the 99' elise, same as spool's

[ZilviaKid]

this is for forza2.

my 477hp Zonda just ran a 51.934 on tsukuba. im gonna bump the hp and see what this thing can do.


edit: so i cranked it, re tuned the thing, and heres my result

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn149/SilviaKid77/DSC00199.jpg

49.826! woooo!
time to make a new car.

[nismoskyz]

wow now thats a good time, too bad Zondas don't count.


lol, jm it counts, ZilviaKid now leads the FM2 rank. :)

...i'm stuck at 48-49 seconds in GT4... i just can't seem to get it any quicker.
That last long turn on Tsukuba always gets me, what's the best way to go through it?

[racepar1]

wow now thats a good time, too bad Zondas don't count.


lol, jm it counts, ZilviaKid now leads the FM2 rank. :)

...i'm stuck at 48-49 seconds in GT4... i just can't seem to get it any quicker.
That last long turn on Tsukuba always gets me, what's the best way to go through it?

IDK man I think we should keep anything that can be classified as a "supercar" out of this. I mean I could go throw some racing ss tires on my fully built ford GT and probably beat the shit out of the top GT4 tsukuba time (I ran a 49 with sports ss tires with it), but I really think that is kinda cheating. We should try to keep this as close to an actual time attack as possible, or maybe have another classification for "supercars".

[nismoskyz]

That's true, similarly, you could take a Nissan R390 Road Car and do the same.

I think you're right though, we should keep supercars out of this, someone else make another thread and deal with the times perhaps? Sorry ZilviaKid but I guess that disqualifies your time.

I'll try to clarify the restrictions in the original post a little more.

*edit
okay I edited the rules slightly, go check them out. I stated that no supercars are allowed
which is fine, but where do you draw the line between fast car and supercar.
NSX-R vs Ferrari 355 for example? While a Zonda, on the otherhand, is clearly a supercar...
What determines that, though? Price, rareness? We need something to set a limit by.
Just want to make this as fair as possible.

[!Zar!]

How about nothing higher than S class.

That stipulation would work well I think.

[Yellow4g63]

Why go so high? Lets say B class is the highest.

[!Zar!]

I'm fine with that.

[ZilviaKid]

ugh! your all haters!

ok fine ill just have to trounce you all in B then!


what cars am i NOT allowed to use?

[racepar1]

ugh! your all haters!

ok fine ill just have to trounce you all in B then!


what cars am i NOT allowed to use?

Dude, you beat a bunch of GTR's and NSX's with a friggin half a million dollar supercar and you want to whine about it getting disallowed? It's like I said, I could run my ford GT and trounce everyone in the GT4 ranks, but where is the fun in that? I would say nothing that would be considered a concept car, race car, or greater than a porsche 911, corvette z-06, viper GTS, or similar should be considered here. REAL production cars here only.
I speak from what I know in GT4 and have never played forza2, so forza2 may need different regulations. A NSX-R and a ferarri 355 or 360 should be considered pretty damn equally. Actually the NSX-R is as close to a supercar as the japanese get. It is a limited production model that was built specifically to homologate the chasis and aero for JGTC and was sold in VERY limited numbers.

I DO have a secret weapon in GT4 though guys! I didn't want to dust it off so early in the rankings, but sometime this week it is coming out of the garage! MUUUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
:s101:

LOL!

[ZilviaKid]

Dude, you beat a bunch of GTR's and NSX's with a friggin half a million dollar supercar and you want to whine about it getting disallowed? It's like I said, I could run my ford GT and trounce everyone in the GT4 ranks, but where is the fun in that? I would say nothing that would be considered a concept car, race car, or greater than a porsche 911, corvette z-06, viper GTS, or similar should be considered here. REAL production cars here only.
I speak from what I know in GT4 and have never played forza2, so forza2 may need different regulations. A NSX-R and a ferarri 355 or 360 should be considered pretty damn equally. Actually the NSX-R is as close to a supercar as the japanese get. It is a limited production model that was built specifically to homologate the chasis and aero for JGTC and was sold in VERY limited numbers.

I DO have a secret weapon in GT4 though guys! I didn't want to dust it off so early in the rankings, but sometime this week it is coming out of the garage! MUUUUUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
:s101:

LOL!
i get what your saying, but everyone so far has been racing with unlimited cars so far. whats the difference if i use a 600hp zonda to their 900hp race spec skyline or an 800 hp time attack evo. if they choose they could make a zonda and beat my time if they like.

im thinking we should have a top 3 for each class: U-D, then everyones happy.

[Spoolpigeon]

...i'm stuck at 48-49 seconds in GT4... i just can't seem to get it any quicker.
That last long turn on Tsukuba always gets me, what's the best way to go through it?

that is probably the hardest corner on the track. i go wide on it, cut a late apex, and spray the shit out of it to get a good run on the front straight. however, running wide you run the risk of braking late and going in the dirt, but if you get it right it's fast.

another trick i use to shave seconds is leaving the car in a higher gear through some corners. say the first 180. in the elise you can go through it in 2nd, but the car tends to spin a bit on motor, and a ton on spray. so only go down to 3rd. the car won't spin as much and you can get on the spray alot earlier.

give those a shot and see what happens :l101:

[racepar1]

i get what your saying, but everyone so far has been racing with unlimited cars so far. whats the difference if i use a 600hp zonda to their 900hp race spec skyline or an 800 hp time attack evo. if they choose they could make a zonda and beat my time if they like.

im thinking we should have a top 3 for each class: U-D, then everyones happy.

Top 3 or 5 for each class would be good for forza2, but there are no classes in GT4 so we'll just have to try to keep it honest there. The difference is that the programmers give supercars like the zonda an advantage in the game, when in reality there would be none. The zonda is programmed to be faster because that is what the programmers thought would be right, even though a tuned GTR would likely wipe the floor with a zonda. Same thing with concept cars, the programmers got ridiculous with the concepts in GT4.

[UfoZ8myCow]

Man either I fucking suck at GT4 now or I just had waaay too much time on my hands in 2007. My top time in the Viper is a 47.9 back then, but now I can barely manage a 49.5 with nitrous. Spinning tires all over the place, even with super soft race tires. I dont know how the fuck I did it before.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Fuck seems i'm back to the drawing board with this game. Coming from GT5 physics, this shit feels like an entirely new game.

[renegade_ewok]

Im dusting off my PS2 just for this... where are the power cables?!

[racepar1]

...i'm stuck at 48-49 seconds in GT4... i just can't seem to get it any quicker.
That last long turn on Tsukuba always gets me, what's the best way to go through it?

Getting from a 48-49 to a 46-47 is tough. The real key to a fast lap at tsukuba is the last hairpin. If you can come off that corner better you carry that speed down the whole long ass back straight. As for the final corner the key there is a late apex. If you stay wide and late apex the corner you can get flat on the gas waaaayyyyyyy sooner. You lose some time mid corner, but you more than make up for it coming off the corner.

[!Zar!]

i get what your saying, but everyone so far has been racing with unlimited cars so far. whats the difference if i use a 600hp zonda to their 900hp race spec skyline or an 800 hp time attack evo. if they choose they could make a zonda and beat my time if they like.

im thinking we should have a top 3 for each class: U-D, then everyones happy.

The Time I set is with an A class car.

So not EVERYONE is using U class car.

I'm not even using the GT version of my car.

I think all the cars should be modded from stock.

That's why I think A class should be the highest we go. It allows cars to be modded closest to the way Time Attack is run on the real track.

You don't see Luis Hamilton setting lap time for Tsukuba in his McLaren.

[ZilviaKid]

The Time I set is with an A class car.

So not EVERYONE is using U class car.

I'm not even using the GT version of my car.

I think all the cars should be modded from stock.

That's why I think A class should be the highest we go. It allows cars to be modded closest to the way Time Attack is run on the real track.

You don't see Luis Hamilton setting lap time for Tsukuba in his McLaren.
no, the time you set was with an S class car. last time i check A stopped at 850, not 950

[UfoZ8myCow]

Aha!!!

I went home for lunch today and couldnt resist firing up GT4 for a few hot laps in the Viper... Im finally getting my touch back. Ran a 46.951.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Hey OP, on top of the format you have right now, you should add 2 records to keep: 1 overall standing record and 1 record of either the day or of the week. It'll keep things exciting. I'll be starting a Nurburgring thread as soon as I'm up to par with my old lap times haha.

[Pblesh85]

Why go so high? Lets say B class is the highest.

The only class we should not use/count is the "U" class.

Just go from d, c, b, a, and s classes.

And the tracks to be used should be the top 3, Laguna, tsukuba, and the ring.

Also forza and gt4/5 should have a seperate thread.


Or we could do a horse power class thing like option does with their togue.

A sub 200, 250, 300, ect...

You could also limit tires to anything but slicks. Something to make it a bit more fun and realistic. Anyone else like that idea ?


(I feel like im a grown man playing "DnD", but its still fun....)

[ZilviaKid]

To anyone that is interested, i host races from a different forum weekly, and were doing gt500 today at 9.

restrictions are >500 hp/tq and <2100 lbs

[!Zar!]

I think limiting to class works best.

That way people can tune to their driving style.

Some might go the way of handeling > power.

While others go power > handeling.

Hp limit wouldn't be as fun imo.

So once we figure out a rank of cars to run on, we should be good.

I vote for A class because those would represent the real TA cars imo.

Instead of having a time for each class/hp. I think it'd be easier to manage 1 class.

But if you must, I'd rather each drive tran layout have their own class.

Such as A class: Awd, FF, MR/RR.

[nismoskyz]

wow this thread is blowing up like crazy..

okay, for the class issue:
Limiting to S class isn't a bad idea but it then becomes unfair, since GT4's class system doesn't work quite the same way as FM2. You can have a fully built street car in GT4 as an S (correct me if i'm wrong here), but in FM2, on the same car, that would constitute as a U.

If we discredit the U's, then many of the currently set times will probably have to be removed. I think that any street car base should be allowed to be used and tuned to whatever level the player desires. So that would mean any car tuned to any level, except for: F1 cars, GT le-mans-status cars, JGTC cars, and "exotic" cars.

How does that sound to you guys?

There are so many different preferences, though, that one single thread couldn't cater to everyone... It would be cool to see some more threads with different restrictions as well, so we could have a couple of separate battles going on. However, I'd rather not have so many different restrictions all in one thread, because it would become a handful for me to manage.

Also, since it seems many of you are probably using nitrous anyways, I'm going to remove that restriction from the rules (for those of you that even saw it there).

[Yellow4g63]

wow this thread is blowing up like crazy..

okay, for the class issue:
Limiting to S class isn't a bad idea but it then becomes unfair, since GT4's class system doesn't work quite the same way as FM2. You can have a fully built street car in GT4 as an S (correct me if i'm wrong here), but in FM2, on the same car, that would constitute as a U.

If we discredit the U's, then many of the currently set times will probably have to be removed. I think that any street car base should be allowed to be used and tuned to whatever level the player desires. So that would mean any car tuned to any level, except for: F1 cars, GT le-mans-status cars, JGTC cars, and "exotic" cars.

How does that sound to you guys?

There are so many different preferences, though, that one single thread couldn't cater to everyone... It would be cool to see some more threads with different restrictions as well, so we could have a couple of separate battles going on. However, I'd rather not have so many different restrictions all in one thread, because it would become a handful for me to manage.

Also, since it seems many of you are probably using nitrous anyways, I'm going to remove that restriction from the rules (for those of you that even saw it there).

A maxed out GT4 car is a U class car in Forza. U class is the highest a normal car can get in Forza 2. Let the U class stay but no traction control that will keep tabs on the monster hp cars.

[!Zar!]

Well, as it sits right now, forza in nowhere near gt4 in terms of lap times.

So no point trying to keep the cars rated the same.

I say S or A class.

But like you said, you won't please everyone.

[ZilviaKid]

how about we limit the PI to 900. thats like A and S mashed together.. lol

[nismoskyz]

lol.. well I agree with yellow4g63... i think we should leave the u class, and, as before, no traction control or stability management.

here are the updated restrictions
Vehicle Restrictions:
No: F1, GT, super/exotic/concept cars
All other vehicles allowed regardless of class.good?

[!Zar!]

I like zilvia kids idea. haha.

[ZilviaKid]

lol.. well I agree with yellow4g63... i think we should leave the u class, and, as before, no traction control or stability management.

here are the updated restrictions
good?
the PI in forza2 is pretty good at evening cars out.

anyone else for the 900PI limit?

[nismoskyz]

i feel kind of dumb here... what's PI? .. is that like HP? lol...

[Yellow4g63]

Well, as it sits right now, forza in nowhere near gt4 in terms of lap times.

So no point trying to keep the cars rated the same.

I say S or A class.

But like you said, you won't please everyone.

It depends on the car you use. I used the Ferrari F50 GT and I'm down the 47 seconds. I need more time and setting it up and I could prob knock some more time off that.

[!Zar!]

It's Point Index.

Pretty much the more PI you have, the higher your car is ranked.

So having 900 pi would allow people to mod their cars however they want, yet still level out the playing field.

It depends on the car you use. I used the Ferrari F50 GT and I'm down the 47 seconds. I need more time and setting it up and I could prob knock some more time off that.

And? If you compare two of the same cars between games, gt4 will end up faster.

[Yellow4g63]

The PI is based on the mods and the car. Some cars start out with a 720 which puts it at A class. Then u add sticky tires more power ect and that will bump up the PI.

[nismoskyz]

oh, yeah.. i know what that is.. didnt know that's what it's called. It's your point index that's 999 when your car is U class, right?

That's cool, but too bad there's no equivalent for GT4...

[Yellow4g63]

Yea 999 is the highest you can go. Nothing happens after that.

[Yellow4g63]

It's Point Index.

Pretty much the more PI you have, the higher your car is ranked.

So having 900 pi would allow people to mod their cars however they want, yet still level out the playing field.



And? If you compare two of the same cars between games, gt4 will end up faster.

I'm not that fast but other people have run in the 43's with that car. I'm not that good lol.

[UfoZ8myCow]

In the spirit of this competition, I made a purpose built 03 Viper SRT10 for Tsukuba and ran a 46.886. Just a hair faster than my old Viper GTS.

I think with a little more suspension tweaking I can squeeze another second out of it and break into the 45s.

[!Zar!]

So... What's the verdict on Class/PI?

Jdm only cars?

[manahoonie]

why not have two threads?

one for Gran Turismo 4

and

one for Forza 2?

[ZilviaKid]

So... What's the verdict on Class/PI?

Jdm only cars?
i really hate using jap cars for the most part. whats wrong with just a PI cap?

[!Zar!]

I didn't say anything was wrong with it.

Just wanted to make sure it was 900 max.

[Yellow4g63]

Here are my latest times before my Crapbox took a dump on me!!!!!!. It's been 1 year and 5 months since I bought the Xbox elite. I got a dead video card in it!!!! so I pay $99 and ship it back to get fixed. I should have just got the PS3 like I was going too grrrrrrrrrr. Anyways here they are. No traction or stability just abs.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q211/Bluerb240/P1010428.jpg
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q211/Bluerb240/P1010429.jpg
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q211/Bluerb240/P1010432.jpg

It will prob be 3 or 4 weeks before I get the crap box back. Might have a PS3 by then lol.

[nismoskyz]

So... What's the verdict on Class/PI?

Jdm only cars?

we'll have it the same as before... 999 is fine, just as long as its not a an F1, GT, or supercar.

@yellow4g63
you got me on that MINE's R34 time...

new rank-leaders:
FM2- yellow4g63
GT4- nismoskyz

made a new thread- Midfield Raceway Lap Times (http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/225594-gran-turismo-midfield-raceway-lap-times.html)

[!Zar!]

Sweet. I can start making a car now. lol.

Just need to play more and unlock the ones I want.

[ZilviaKid]

no 900? i think we need to start a forza2 thread seperate from this GT stuff.. ill make a table and everything! lol

[nismoskyz]

no 900? i think we need to start a forza2 thread seperate from this GT stuff.. ill make a table and everything! lol

if I did limit to 900 it would make most of the times already up on the rank invalid and it would also be unfair to GT4 which doesnt have a similar ranking system.

lol, go for it, make another table... i dont have FM2 at home though :( , so i prlly wont compete much.

As for GT4 on the other hand...:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7549/photo0118le7.jpg

[racepar1]

Dammit, I'm gunna get bumped off the list soon. I NEED to find some time to play!

[Yellow4g63]

I never got the point of the mid point system. if ur into 900 then ur into the U class car. The Class system is better all the way around. B,A,S and U.

[Mr. Camshaft]

you guys should just run it like a spec series.

[nismoskyz]

Dammit, I'm gunna get bumped off the list soon. I NEED to find some time to play!

haha yeah i'm gonna limit the list to a top 10 .. you'd better get on it :P

@others...
i think the current format is fine. it works..

[!Zar!]

I have a new time...

51.410 - Porsche Cayman S. All driving aids OFF. Manual transmission. S-class

[racepar1]

Well my "secret weapon" was a whole shitload harder to drive than I remember.

'00 lotus esprit sport 350
46.654

With some more practice I can get into the 55's easy. FUCK this thing is hard to drive!

[Wookie384]

I know I'm not as good as you guys on Tsukuba but, Are you guys using nitrous? I can't get anything lower than '49.xxx I'm using the R34 V-SPEC II N1.

Just for shits and giggles you guys should pick one slow car for everyone to use and see what times everyone comes up with. Sorta like an online Vitz Cup challenge.

[racepar1]

I know I'm not as good as you guys on Tsukuba but, Are you guys using nitrous? I can't get anything lower than '49.xxx I'm using the R34 V-SPEC II N1.

Just for shits and giggles you guys should pick one slow car for everyone to use and see what times everyone comes up with. Sorta like an online Vitz Cup challenge.

I'd better not find out people are using nitrous, that shit is straight cheating. All my times are without nitrous and without tcs. I mean seriously, WTF is this the fast and the fucking furious?

Kevin, it doesn't surprise me that you are running 49's with the GTR nur spec. In my testing the GTR is about 2 seconds or so slower than the FD3 is. That means that you are only maybe 1 second off the pace.

[!Zar!]

Yeah, I think it was dumb for gt4 to have nitrous in the first place.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Yeah, I think it was dumb for gt4 to have nitrous in the first place.

Yeah, I hope they take it out in the final release of GT5.

[suprafreak1000]

I'd better not find out people are using nitrous, that shit is straight cheating. All my times are without nitrous and without tcs. I mean seriously, WTF is this the fast and the fucking furious?

Kevin, it doesn't surprise me that you are running 49's with the GTR nur spec. In my testing the GTR is about 2 seconds or so slower than the FD3 is. That means that you are only maybe 1 second off the pace.

im running low 49's and i think one 48 in the N1 also

[nismoskyz]

I really wasn't using any nitrous at all but your times were so high...

:o I'll be honest though, that's the only way I got 45 seconds with the RX-7.


i agree w/ you guys though, when i was first browsing thru GT4 and i saw nitrous.. i seriously thought: wth, fast and furious??

so what do you want to do about that.. i think some others were using nitrous as well, so we already have some more times like that..

strictly no nitrous on midfield then?

[Dutchmalmiss]

hey nismoskyz, change the title of the thread to just "GT4 lap times." Just change the course every week or something. That's if you're up to that kind of dedication haha.

[nismoskyz]

yeah .. idk about the dedication... anybody wanna take over? its fun and all but kind of becoming a hassle to update the times and whatnot. ..is that possible? to have someone else be able to edit the original post?

[racepar1]

Well my "secret weapon" was a whole shitload harder to drive than I remember.

'00 lotus esprit sport 350
46.654

With some more practice I can get into the 55's easy. FUCK this thing is hard to drive!

You missed my time man!

yeah .. idk about the dedication... anybody wanna take over? its fun and all but kind of becoming a hassle to update the times and whatnot. ..is that possible? to have someone else be able to edit the original post?

ONLY a mod can edit your posts. The only thing that can be done is hand it off to someone and edit your original post referring everyone to the page that the new time list will be posted. I could take over if you want, but I don't wanna go through the hassle of having a new competition every week. I would just stick to the two tracks that you already have started and probably add the nurburgring. I'm not gunna bother with forza2 though. The forza guys will have to start their own thread, hopefully the mods don't close it like they did with your midfield thread. Keep in mind though that if I take over I will be outlawing nitrous on ALL tracks. So if I suspect there was nitrous used on any of the times already set I will disallow them.

[Dutchmalmiss]

I would just stick to the two tracks that you already have started and probably add the nurburgring. I'm not gunna bother with forza2 though. The forza guys will have to start their own thread, hopefully the mods don't close it like they did with your midfield thread. Keep in mind though that if I take over I will be outlawing nitrous on ALL tracks. So if I suspect there was nitrous used on any of the times already set I will disallow them.

Sounds good to me! I nominate you to take over.

[racepar1]

If I did take over I would not have a problem with people suggesting and setting up weekly competitions on their own within the thread. I would simply post the top 3 results from each competition in my post. You would just have to PM me and I would pick which competition to run each week and PM whoever suggested it with the "green light" so to speak.

[HyperTek]

wooo hooo, no ones home, gonna bust out the dfp and gt4
i never played it wiht my dfp

[Wookie384]

I suggest we move this time attack to Trial Mountain so I can own you Aron!:2f2f:

[racepar1]

I suggest we move this time attack to Trial Mountain so I can own you Aron!:2f2f:

Kevin you couldn't own me if I had a 200hp disadvantage and you had nitrtous and tcs!

:s101:

[R Drifter]

ok, im so down to do this so for the forza 2 tsukuba lap time is there any car class restriction?

[nismoskyz]

@racepar1

woops, my bad.. updated the time list.

sounds good man i think it'd be good if you take over, you've got the spirit! (lol, jm). that's fine about the nitrous rule, that's actually how i wanted it in the first place but i didn't know who was complying.

So i guess as soon as I get the midfield times posted into this thread you can go ahead and paste it all into a new thread and handle it your way.

Good luck man :) .. i'll definitely, hopefully still be competing though

*edit

just merged in the midfield times with this thread. I also removed some lap times that I know were done with nitrous (one of which was my own, i'll have to give that another go..) and that puts you at the lead, sir racepar1.
Its cool if you change up the format a little to suit what you feel is best (i'm guessing you will) but everything's there so you can do as you please.

//btw you probably know but i'll tell you anyway that the rank itself is within the [code] tags and easily edited in notepad (to keep everything nice and neat).

[nismoskyz]

ok, im so down to do this so for the forza 2 tsukuba lap time is there any car class restriction?

nope no car class restriction but i'm sorry to let you know that i wont be updating this thread anymore. so, hopefully someone else will copy my FM2 table into a new thread to keep it going but i'm done maintaining the times in this thread.

[racepar1]

@racepar1

woops, my bad.. updated the time list.

sounds good man i think it'd be good if you take over, you've got the spirit! (lol, jm). that's fine about the nitrous rule, that's actually how i wanted it in the first place but i didn't know who was complying.

So i guess as soon as I get the midfield times posted into this thread you can go ahead and paste it all into a new thread and handle it your way.

Good luck man :) .. i'll definitely, hopefully still be competing though

*edit

just merged in the midfield times with this thread. I also removed some lap times that I know were done with nitrous (one of which was my own, i'll have to give that another go..) and that puts you at the lead, sir racepar1.
Its cool if you change up the format a little to suit what you feel is best (i'm guessing you will) but everything's there so you can do as you please.

//btw you probably know but i'll tell you anyway that the rank itself is within the [code] tags and easily edited in notepad (to keep everything nice and neat).


Cool man. I'm going to try to get a mod to put one of my posts right below your OP, if that can't happen maybe I'll just start a new thread and have a mod close this one.

[S14DB]

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/225829-gran-turismo-4-lap-times-thread.html