GTR in not invincible.

[TehMaverick]

this was posted by RBmotoring

"Haltec in Australia is rumored to be the first to blow Nissans "Semi-invincible" VR38DETT powering the almighty Datsun GtR. Its not always good to be first..."

2009 Nissan GT-R: First Blown Up VR38DETT ? (http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2008/11/first-blown-up-vr38dett.html)

[Nachtmensch]

wonder what a new one costs...

better yet, where they put all those crashed GT-Rs.

[TehMaverick]

Hmmm, I'm feeling a part-out is in need.

[LA_phantom_240]

Dibs on those massive wheels and brakes. LOL


I'd like to see what it takes to blow one up.

[l0lzilla]

Part out from this guy, world's first gt-r crash:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/crashedgtr2un9_opt.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/crashedgtrke8_opt.jpg

[Fam0uZ]

Part out from this guy, world's first gt-r crash:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/crashedgtr2un9_opt.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/01/crashedgtrke8_opt.jpg

OMG ppl think that if they can afford it they can drive it LOL guess not!:2f2f:

[Maiku240sxS14]

that is just tragic...a moment of silence please...









okay...congrats on being the first to fak one up!

[Flicktitty]

damn, Thats gonna hurt.

[bigOdom1]

make you want a haltech ecu?

[bblack_91240]

a new GT-R engine cost about $33k list...its special order only!!

[Flicktitty]

a new GT-R engine cost about $33k list...its special order only!!
:ugh: ugh, i'm seeing a Built RB26 instead. lol

[drift freaq]

this was posted by RBmotoring

"Haltec in Australia is rumored to be the first to blow Nissans "Semi-invincible" VR38DETT powering the almighty Datsun GtR. Its not always good to be first..."

2009 Nissan GT-R: First Blown Up VR38DETT ? (http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2008/11/first-blown-up-vr38dett.html)

Ya but technically no engine is invincible. I can put any engine on a dyno and push it so hard that it would go boom. LOL Plus like bigdom said it really makes you put faith in Haltech ECU's lol. Though seriously, I am sure they pushed the daylights out of it before it went boom.
Get real most people are not even going to get close to going there. Unless you are independently wealthy and don't give a fuck. LOL

[projectRDM]

Exactly. The best engine in the World can't survive bouncing off the rev limiter for five hours straight. Though we don't know the exact cause of the breakdown, anything that sustains abuse will give. Bulletproof glass may be just that but if you shoot the sumbish 200 times at close range, it will finally break. To assume the VR38 is indestructible is stupid.

[trsilvias13]

Think of it as an opportunity depending on the damage of the block and head. Instead of parting out/rb26dett/ whatever every fan boy wants, Haltech could partner up with other company and put some R&D into aftermarket internals. They could be the one that say, look at my new 1000whp GTR (or whatever they are shooting for).

[slidewaysmn]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/didler002/4738061_10_I.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/didler002/4738061_3_I.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/didler002/4738061_2_I.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/didler002/4738061_1_I.jpg

Up for auction as we speak.

[blueshark123]

^ wow that shit is all fucked up

[gijoe69]

well...I see a potential Front Clip with no body panels for $3500 lol

[Flicktitty]

ouch, you gotta link for the crashed GTR?

[240cracker]

damn did he live?

[devnull]

Up for auction as we speak.

Only way I could ever afford a GTR.

[CrazyTrance]

Holy shit! dibs on the seats!

[wisDOMination]

a perfect excuse to drop a rb series motor in there
right on

[phi_ho1]

OMG ppl think that if they can afford it they can drive it LOL guess not!:2f2f:

dam that's a wasted

[!Zar!]

Sounds like a huge pain to install an rb/lsx/any conventional engine in that car due to how the drivetran was made.

[slidewaysmn]

ouch, you gotta link for the crashed GTR?

Sorry, gotta be a member to the yard. iaai

[mRclARK1]

Nothing is invincible.

[AWSneer]

I bet the driver felt pretty good about that one. :ugh:

[gijoe69]

sheesh...if you have that kind of money to buy a gt-r then money is no object...its probably only spare change in his pocket for the GTR

[Jonnyblaze]

a new GT-R engine cost about $33k list...its special order only!!

I'd rather grab an LS7 for less than half the price.

[s13 @ fullboost]

that crashed GTR makes me sad and I am a member of IAAI My dad is a dealer =]

[drift freaq]

that crashed GTR makes me sad and I am a member of IAAI My dad is a dealer =]

oooohooh buy it so I can buy the engine. :D lol

[s13 @ fullboost]

^^ haha NO WAY even crashed its out of my budget and my dad has no appreciation for that car =/ he said "no matter what it still has a Nissan emblem on it and I will not pay that kind of money for a Nissan" =/

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

maybe they'll put an LSX in it and make it TRULY BULLETPROOF. j/k.


really though, how cool would that be... LS7 GTR would make vette ZR1 fanbois explode.

[wgJoY]

wowwwwwwwwwww. wow. That thing is torn up, damn. And i just came back from a Nissan dealership where they had such a beautiful, shiny black one sitting on the lot. Tragic.

[92240coupe]

Think of it as an opportunity depending on the damage of the block and head. Instead of parting out/rb26dett/ whatever every fan boy wants, Haltech could partner up with other company and put some R&D into aftermarket internals. They could be the one that say, look at my new 1000whp GTR (or whatever they are shooting for).


if your are going to rebuild a vr38dett, how are you going to manage to machine the plasma lined cylinder walls so that the new rings will seat correctly? I'm pretty sure the short block is a one time use item, that is to say, catastrophic failure results in complete engine replacement. which should bring you back to this:

a new GT-R engine cost about $33k list...its special order only!!

nice try on trying to be "optimistic"

[s13 @ fullboost]

^^^ haha so pretty much hopeless =/

[holaback]

maybe they'll put an LSX in it and make it TRULY BULLETPROOF. j/k.


really though, how cool would that be... LS7 GTR would make vette ZR1 fanbois explode.

What is up with bfe boy and their obsession w/ lsx motors?

[sc300fivespd]

rich morons that cant drive!!!

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

I'd rather grab an LS7 for less than half the price.


This engine In a s13 would stomp the balls of a s13 with a ls7

[irdeano]

well there's the trannie for the dude who killed his and nissan won't fix...

[Matej]

They should put a KA in it.

[!Zar!]

This engine In a s13 would stomp the balls of a s13 with a ls7

lolol. I doubt that.

Also, how would you expect to get that inside an s13 with the tranny in the back of the car.

Whoever decides to try and fit this inside a s13 would be a fuckin moron.

[trsilvias13]

if your are going to rebuild a vr38dett, how are you going to manage to machine the plasma lined cylinder walls so that the new rings will seat correctly? I'm pretty sure the short block is a one time use item, that is to say, catastrophic failure results in complete engine replacement. which should bring you back to this:



nice try on trying to be "optimistic"

That is what R&D is for. Maybe they will find a way, maybe not.

[redline racer510]

ill take a r34 over the r35 anyday

[landins13]

ill take a nismo r32 over any of them all day, sexy little bastards

[!Zar!]

I'll take a luxury euro car.

[96Turbo]

ill take a nismo r32 over any of them all day, sexy little bastards

i like yo style

[92240coupe]

That is what R&D is for. Maybe they will find a way, maybe not.

real simple, thin layer of plasma lining the cylinder walls allowing the engine to be able to be as strong and reliable as it is in stock form. Take a hone to that cylinder and grind all of the plasma away in hopes of making a new surface for the new rings to sit it. your left with a skyline motor that doesnt have compression and won't make any more power than a lawn mower. while yes there is R&D that could be involved in rebuilding a motor such as this, but it has already been done, when nissan originally cast the block from aluminum and magnesium and then applied the plasma lining during the manufacturing process. you might as well buy a new motor and start over because it is going to cost you way to much money, and i doubt haltech has the facilities or desire to take on such a process. tell you what i know a nissan parts manager that will sell you a new vr30dett long block for $24,879.67 good guy price. i think Haltech will just do that rather than your wonderful R&D idea. All they have to do is hack the ecu and up the boost and lengthen the injector pulse width, along with jack with the cam timing and mess with the ignition timing and a/f, and they will easily make 1000hp on the stock engine. but with high horse power comes less reliablility, and hence the blown gtr engine. so R&D should be left to the professionals, i.e. Chief Engineer of the '09 gtr, Kazutoshi Mizuno, not Haltech,


oh and dude... mr trsilvias13, :Owned:

[MikeisNissan]

They should put a KA in it.
yessssssssssssss

[1985zcar]

Who cares? R35s suck. lol

[kornaz]

if your are going to rebuild a vr38dett, how are you going to manage to machine the plasma lined cylinder walls so that the new rings will seat correctly? I'm pretty sure the short block is a one time use item, that is to say, catastrophic failure results in complete engine replacement. which should bring you back to this:



nice try on trying to be "optimistic"

I never really cared for the R35, but on Top Gear, when testing the R35 in Japan, Jeremy Clark said that every R35 was hand built and cannot be mixed/matched. Also all of them have a bit different hp output. Like i said, i have no idea, just a thing i saw on TV. :D

[nzmoman]

I wonder how many guys are on this thread wondering if they can get one of these into their s chassis...

[trsilvias13]

real simple, thin layer of plasma lining the cylinder walls allowing the engine to be able to be as strong and reliable as it is in stock form. Take a hone to that cylinder and grind all of the plasma away in hopes of making a new surface for the new rings to sit it. your left with a skyline motor that doesnt have compression and won't make any more power than a lawn mower. while yes there is R&D that could be involved in rebuilding a motor such as this, but it has already been done, when nissan originally cast the block from aluminum and magnesium and then applied the plasma lining during the manufacturing process. you might as well buy a new motor and start over because it is going to cost you way to much money, and i doubt haltech has the facilities or desire to take on such a process. tell you what i know a nissan parts manager that will sell you a new vr30dett long block for $24,879.67 good guy price. i think Haltech will just do that rather than your wonderful R&D idea. All they have to do is hack the ecu and up the boost and lengthen the injector pulse width, along with jack with the cam timing and mess with the ignition timing and a/f, and they will easily make 1000hp on the stock engine. but with high horse power comes less reliablility, and hence the blown gtr engine. so R&D should be left to the professionals, i.e. Chief Engineer of the '09 gtr, Kazutoshi Mizuno, not Haltech,


oh and dude... mr trsilvias13, :Owned:


You never know what great mind come up with. You need to think out side the box. If people had your mentality, there wouldnt be any ls1/rb/jz/vq watever swaps because a few years back it wasnt possible because it wasnt a direct fit. Continuing with your mentality, people should just simply rebuild their KA if it blows, no wait, they should buy a whole new KA from Nissan. But you'll say there are people with skill and the proper equip that rebuild these KA. - That was created by R&D. People will find ways to fix it, if they think it is worth it.

Owned? - yea right.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

lolol. I doubt that.

Also, how would you expect to get that inside an s13 with the tranny in the back of the car.

Whoever decides to try and fit this inside a s13 would be a fuckin moron.



Oh and all these s chassis and fc's with lsx engines aren't fast so yes a s13 with a gtr engine would stomp a s chassis with a Lsx series. Due to gear ratios.

I've seen a ls2 s13 barley beat a built b18 nitrous honda. I've beaten a ls2 s14 with my EVO. They arent fast.

Why would someone be a moron for swapping a gtr engine In a s13? Sounds like your hating on the Idea.

[!Zar!]

Wtf are you talking about?

Just because most of the idiots out there toss an engine in a car without thinking about final drive means shit.

Have you read up on the gearing of the tranny on the VR? Because chances are HIGH that it's not geared to match the fd of a stock r200 either.

I've seen people change FD in their 240 to match X engine. Just because the guy you saw didn't doesn't mean anything.

And why would they be a motor? Have you seen the drivetran layout of a gtr?

The electronics of the whole automatic paddle shit.

For the amount of money/time to put that in a crap car like an s13, it'd be stupid.

Sure, I know SOMEONE will do it.

But why?

While they are at it, might as well put the engine in a gokart.

Er...

Wait.

Have you ever even delt with a lsx swapped car?
Yes they have tons of torque and don't quite suit the stock gearing.

But the way you talk makes them sound like they are at redline at the top of 6th gear at 25 mph.

[VQMaxFan]

they should put a QR or an SR in it lul


really though, how cool would that be... LS7 GTR would make vette ZR1 fanbois explode.

wrong engine, ls9 = zr1 ls7=z06

[looking4-240]

a gt-r is what? $80k? technically thats not much compared to all of the sport/luxury cars out there........ just putting it out there. i call dibs on the front bumper!!

[kornaz]

Can anyone back this shit up???

YouTube - Top Gear - Nissan GTR R35 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c9EXPpgq7U)

And another idiot:

YouTube - New Nissan GTR R35 crashed!!!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iIzNKA_54w&feature=related)

[92240coupe]

You never know what great mind come up with. You need to think out side the box. If people had your mentality, there wouldnt be any ls1/rb/jz/vq watever swaps because a few years back it wasnt possible because it wasnt a direct fit. Continuing with your mentality, people should just simply rebuild their KA if it blows, no wait, they should buy a whole new KA from Nissan. But you'll say there are people with skill and the proper equip that rebuild these KA. - That was created by R&D. People will find ways to fix it, if they think it is worth it.

Owned? - yea right.

whose talking about ka's? thier decent motors, ive rebuilt a few, but you simply can not rebuild a vr38. im sorry, it is just not physically possible, i mean if your working on r&d for that motor you might as well start r&d on the veyron motor too. dude it is not a matter of whether or not you coule piss away 2 mil in figuring out on how to do, its the fact that you would save 1.96 mil and just buy a new motor that is going to work.
i will again state, that given enough re-programming of the engine-managment, the car will make 800 or 1000hp. everything on the engine is already been r&d to be as effiecient as physiclly possible, unless some how you manage to change the barometric pressure of earth's atmosphere the engine is built to run the way it is because of the millions already spent on developing and testing it. this all being said, each one of the engines is also hand built as stated on top-gear, i very highly doubt that any one will ever rebuild one of these VR motors

[NotoriouS14]

wow..aint that some shit...

[trsilvias13]

whose talking about ka's? thier decent motors, ive rebuilt a few, but you simply can not rebuild a vr38. im sorry, it is just not physically possible, i mean if your working on r&d for that motor you might as well start r&d on the veyron motor too. dude it is not a matter of whether or not you coule piss away 2 mil in figuring out on how to do, its the fact that you would save 1.96 mil and just buy a new motor that is going to work.
i will again state, that given enough re-programming of the engine-managment, the car will make 800 or 1000hp. everything on the engine is already been r&d to be as effiecient as physiclly possible, unless some how you manage to change the barometric pressure of earth's atmosphere the engine is built to run the way it is because of the millions already spent on developing and testing it. this all being said, each one of the engines is also hand built as stated on top-gear, i very highly doubt that any one will ever rebuild one of these VR motors


There is always room for improvement. That what modifying car is about - to get the most out of it. - Take Greaser NA KA build - many people attempted and said it was impossible to get a 200+ rwhp NA KA. It took lots of R&D + many hours on the dyno get it accomplish it. Was it worth it? To him, yes, but to others, no as a simple turbo kit or SR swap would net the same or if not more hp.

There are company and people that would take a lost to prove a point to build the baddest car so they can say they are the best or the first one to do it. Sure, Haltech can save money and start with a newly purchase motor from Nissan, but then everyone else (who has $) can do that too do the exact same or they can find a way to improve the GTR motor.

R&D is for people to improve on stuff, it doesn't always mean they will recoup their money back. They might find a way to rebuild, they might not.

[murda-c]

wow it's not a freakin F1 motor, it still runs on regular gas and regular oil.

Still six pistons, some conrods, a crank.

it's just a freakin motor, not the space shuttle.

2 million to improve something that has alread been designed is retarded.

[ixfxi]

Who cares? R35s suck. lol

as opposed to what? a 1985 Z car? :-)

http://wefix.ca/Dec12349.JPG

ahhhh yes.. the epitome of style, luxury, and sporty performance! haha

[TehMaverick]

lol, the R8 tries to keep up with a GT-R
YouTube - Audi R8 vs Nissan GT-R (eng version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zrNnGCxxjA&NR=1)

[MambaSic]

hey don't knock on Z31's dammit. that aint cool

[olah.inc]

Nothing is invincible.

he is...

http://www.kunstwissen.de/fach/f-musi01/pop/pop.ht3.jpg

[Ghostdrifter]

^ haha!! Yes!!

[coolcatracing]

Just sleeve it and build it like a normal motor. Some one WILL build one of these and someone WILL make serious power. People said that building the LSx motors would be a pain because of the cast in liners and look at how easily people overcame that. It will only be a matter of time before one of the worlds tuners gets the cheese to build one and starts doing the R&D to make it happen. I don't think Haltech will do it but they may take the chance and partner with someone who does want to and they can share the costs.

[Squish_face]

Rebuild? That's unpossible! Flame-Spray Industries, Inc. (http://www.flame-spray.com/PTWA2.htm)

To think you can't recreate Nissan manufacturing techniques for a production car is absolutely ridiculous. Apparently Motormag claims the engines must be recoated after 100,000 km anyway.

[96Turbo]

Rebuild? That's unpossible! Flame-Spray Industries, Inc. (http://www.flame-spray.com/PTWA2.htm)

To think you can't recreate Nissan manufacturing techniques for a production car is absolutely ridiculous. Apparently Motormag claims the engines must be recoated after 100,000 km anyway.

wow...that's pretty f'ing cool. I think i'll send them my single cam KA :keke:

[98s14inaz]

this was posted by RBmotoring

"Haltec in Australia is rumored to be the first to blow Nissans "Semi-invincible" VR38DETT powering the almighty Datsun GtR. Its not always good to be first..."

2009 Nissan GT-R: First Blown Up VR38DETT ? (http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2008/11/first-blown-up-vr38dett.html)

I don't think I have heard anyone calling that car "almighty". It's damn good though. You can fail anything if you push it hard enough.

[Matej]

Oh jeez.

I hate how cars keep growing bigger and bigger.

Even Civics are huge nowadays.

http://northwestnissans.com/gallery/files/9/4/0/8/gtrs__original.jpg

[SexPanda]

datsun?

Its a Datson GTR?

[roadflare16]

in the words of the highly esteemed Flava Flav, "wooooooooooooooow". so far, looks like in a battle of reliability between the gtr and a dsm, the dsm wins. sad day for nissan.

[tgd89]

^^ What's this supposed to mean? You are comparing the gtr to 'a dsm' in terms of reliability because Haltec blew a motor pushing it beyond it's limits? It's not even really stated what exactly went wrong.

[bardabe]

what the fuck you talking about, my DSM went on for a month at 300whp then boom!

[98s14inaz]

Oh jeez.
http://northwestnissans.com/gallery/files/9/4/0/8/gtrs__original.jpg

Would you look at the ass on that one, I bet he works out lol :rimshot:

[Koopa Troopa]

GTR's don't even look that big in real life..

[626 FC3S]

dam that is horriable whoever wrecked it is a fucking idiot, I love how the windows all glide togeather and look like a jet

[pinky121388]

I saw a red one maybe in late october that was dented up in the front fender some..and scratches all across the car.. maybe tried to drift and fak'd everything up.

When i saw it i told my buddy look GTR we looked and were amazed how nice the car was...and then we saw the dent and scratches....i was pissed that this WOMAN can pay for this car and go and do that to it

[drift freaq]

in the words of the highly esteemed Flava Flav, "wooooooooooooooow". so far, looks like in a battle of reliability between the gtr and a dsm, the dsm wins. sad day for nissan.

Your comparing a DSM to a Nissan. LOL It shows you know nothing about cars and reliability. Mistsushitty has nothing on Nissan in that department let alone almost all departments.
sorry but your automotive ignorance fails you.