BoroDrifter
11-07-2008, 03:28 PM
I hate to post these questions up as I am a decent mechanic and have no trouble diagnosing problems I run into, but this is just kicking me in the ass and I can't seem to find any one with the same problem!
Setup:
-Stock S13 Blacktop SR, 65k miles.
-Walbro 255
-Z32 fuel filter
-3" RSR downpipe
-HKS SPL intake
-Stock side mount
-NGK BKR7EIX-11 gaped to 0.30 <- changed plugs that night to iridium
-Mobil 1 10w30 high mileage at startup and switched to 10w40 high mileage before I drove it hard
Installed this motor as about 3 months ago and it ran like a champ! I ran an open down pipe and while it idled just a tad rough from time to time, that was the only cause for concern and I figured it was due to the fact that the AIV bung on the turbo elbow was open and there was no exhaust pressure from the open 3" DP.
I installed my exhaust with a 2" cat (I know, I know) I drove 8 hours to Nashville TN, ran an event with no problems at all. Lost a little power from the small cat, but nothing to worry about.
A week or two after the event, back home, it starts running a little funny. Rich symptoms, backfire when I let off the throttle or give it very very little throttle. Idle got worse. I figured the bung being open was causing the problem. I noticed that while it didn't run bad, no hesitation or misfires, it just didn't have the power it quite had before the idle got worse.
My exhaust randomly fell off one day (shitty bolts) and I left the cat on.
Another week or so and the back fire gets worse and so I deal with it for about a month chalking it all up the bung, open pipe and probably time for a plug change.
I decided to change plugs a week ago and seal up that bung.
I replaced the Japanese PFR6B 9, which were rather ashy and white, but generally just worn out, with NGK BKR7E-11 gaped at 0.28.
The idle was still rough and seemed to be deteriorating as time progressed (and it got colder out side) On warmer days, 65~75* it ran rather well, considering... But now it's around 40~50* and here I am, no power.
I removed the cat just to let off some restriction and boost rolls on just fine but no real change other than faster response from the turbo and its loud as shit, louedr than before when it ran fan.
MAFS
I swapped MAFs for two known working ones. No change, though if I unplug the maf, it idles fine, right at 900 and revs freely but only to 2500 as it should.
WIRING
I found the the o2 power wire was smashed and melted a bit at the +12 source (red/black wire) so I replaced that length.
I noticed also that the MAF wires were a little iffy with bad solders, so I replced them with new 14g wire. No definate change.
The idle now, as of today likes to fall to around 200rpm and every once in a while die. But intermittenly it will idel normal, right at 900 sometimes over 1000, but then it drops back down and starts sputtering. I even detect a slight misfire at idle.
Current Driving/Operation Conditions
Over all the car runs fine, just slower with a lot of back firing off the trottle. It doesn't hesitate in the traditional sense, no bucking, no sputtering or mising. Boost is responsive and solid. It pulls pretty hard once it gets past 4000 revs or so. The easier I go on the throttle, as in - I let boost build and fuel burn a bit- it makes better power, but it is just not right.
Other posible conditions to be ruled out
I have a vacuum manifold that feeds my recirc and wastegate with new lines.
The charcoal can and FPR come off the throttle body with no cracks or leaks.
The nipple on the intake elbow and the cold pipe are sealed.
The side mount should be free from leaks (audiably) though I have not removed it to test.
I recently cleaned the HKS filter.
The o-ring at the fuel pump/tank is new.
The coolant is full.
Recap of Symptoms
Rough/low idle with slight misfire, intermittenly idling fine
Slow acceleration under 4000 rpm, though still not perfect after.
Backfiring on decel and low/partial throttle.
Loss in MPG (normal 610 km/tank, current 480 km/tank)
I suppose next test would be TPS and then CAS.
But if any one has any input I would be glad to hear it.
Thanks and I will update as I try new things.
Setup:
-Stock S13 Blacktop SR, 65k miles.
-Walbro 255
-Z32 fuel filter
-3" RSR downpipe
-HKS SPL intake
-Stock side mount
-NGK BKR7EIX-11 gaped to 0.30 <- changed plugs that night to iridium
-Mobil 1 10w30 high mileage at startup and switched to 10w40 high mileage before I drove it hard
Installed this motor as about 3 months ago and it ran like a champ! I ran an open down pipe and while it idled just a tad rough from time to time, that was the only cause for concern and I figured it was due to the fact that the AIV bung on the turbo elbow was open and there was no exhaust pressure from the open 3" DP.
I installed my exhaust with a 2" cat (I know, I know) I drove 8 hours to Nashville TN, ran an event with no problems at all. Lost a little power from the small cat, but nothing to worry about.
A week or two after the event, back home, it starts running a little funny. Rich symptoms, backfire when I let off the throttle or give it very very little throttle. Idle got worse. I figured the bung being open was causing the problem. I noticed that while it didn't run bad, no hesitation or misfires, it just didn't have the power it quite had before the idle got worse.
My exhaust randomly fell off one day (shitty bolts) and I left the cat on.
Another week or so and the back fire gets worse and so I deal with it for about a month chalking it all up the bung, open pipe and probably time for a plug change.
I decided to change plugs a week ago and seal up that bung.
I replaced the Japanese PFR6B 9, which were rather ashy and white, but generally just worn out, with NGK BKR7E-11 gaped at 0.28.
The idle was still rough and seemed to be deteriorating as time progressed (and it got colder out side) On warmer days, 65~75* it ran rather well, considering... But now it's around 40~50* and here I am, no power.
I removed the cat just to let off some restriction and boost rolls on just fine but no real change other than faster response from the turbo and its loud as shit, louedr than before when it ran fan.
MAFS
I swapped MAFs for two known working ones. No change, though if I unplug the maf, it idles fine, right at 900 and revs freely but only to 2500 as it should.
WIRING
I found the the o2 power wire was smashed and melted a bit at the +12 source (red/black wire) so I replaced that length.
I noticed also that the MAF wires were a little iffy with bad solders, so I replced them with new 14g wire. No definate change.
The idle now, as of today likes to fall to around 200rpm and every once in a while die. But intermittenly it will idel normal, right at 900 sometimes over 1000, but then it drops back down and starts sputtering. I even detect a slight misfire at idle.
Current Driving/Operation Conditions
Over all the car runs fine, just slower with a lot of back firing off the trottle. It doesn't hesitate in the traditional sense, no bucking, no sputtering or mising. Boost is responsive and solid. It pulls pretty hard once it gets past 4000 revs or so. The easier I go on the throttle, as in - I let boost build and fuel burn a bit- it makes better power, but it is just not right.
Other posible conditions to be ruled out
I have a vacuum manifold that feeds my recirc and wastegate with new lines.
The charcoal can and FPR come off the throttle body with no cracks or leaks.
The nipple on the intake elbow and the cold pipe are sealed.
The side mount should be free from leaks (audiably) though I have not removed it to test.
I recently cleaned the HKS filter.
The o-ring at the fuel pump/tank is new.
The coolant is full.
Recap of Symptoms
Rough/low idle with slight misfire, intermittenly idling fine
Slow acceleration under 4000 rpm, though still not perfect after.
Backfiring on decel and low/partial throttle.
Loss in MPG (normal 610 km/tank, current 480 km/tank)
I suppose next test would be TPS and then CAS.
But if any one has any input I would be glad to hear it.
Thanks and I will update as I try new things.