Tranny Gear stuck? need help ASAP!!

[SilviaDriver]

hey guys..sorry for posting in here even tho it has nothing to do with a 240sx, but it has to do with my friends integra. i didnt wanna post in OT since OT is more of a off topic from cars in general..any help is gladly accepted!

"I need help guys, i dont kno wat happened. Recently my 4th gear started to grind alot, even when i slowly engage it and press in the clutch then shift to the gear. Then jus tonite i was driving and my whole car stopped, jolted and stalled, going like 20mph. Its stuck in 3rd or 4th gear now and i cant get it out. I can move the stick (shifter) but the gear wont go out. I cant put it to 1st, 2nd, or reverse. I had to rev it high and slowly crawl the car home like 1 min away. I dunno wats wrong, did i blow my transmission? or is it my clutch. please help, im a college student low on funds and i need my car as my transportation.

Tai"

[Natty]

I would guess a broken shift fork. Does the clutch go in and out?
Jeff

[SilviaDriver]

direct words from respones

"yea the clutch can go in and out
i can press it in and out
but doesnt still to engage in gear
i mean i ahve to press in it to start teh car
so im guessing the clutch works cuz when i press it in to start my car it works"

[Jeff240sx]

That's a pretty easy solution. I think that Natty was on the right track, but it's a shift linkage.
The shift linkage is a piece of metal that connects as you go into the 1-2 slot, the 3-4 slot, and then a 5th gear and reverse.
The linkage moves the shifter gear onto and off the other gear. If it breaks, you can't pull the "collar" from the gear, hence, stuck in gear. If you broke the linkage (I've done it once, my friend did it once), it is only a 1/4" circular tube, and a factory only part.
Good Luck.
-Jeff

[E_Racer]

Thanx alot Jeff, sounds like that may be the problem. I mean i dont think the transmission is blown. And it seems like its stuck in 3rd or 4th. So how do i repair it. i dont have tools at all cuz i live in a apt far from home. How much do you think itll cost to replace? Thanks alot. By the way, i have a 90 Integra Cable tranny.

[Jeff240sx]

I think that my corvette, the linkage was like $40 or so from a GM dealer. It is just a couple bolts holding it on. If you have a factory service manual, or even a chiltons/hayes manual, it may have it.
It won't take long to replace, just a while to get to. You'll have to remove some center console trim to get to the linkages.
And the cable part. Are you talking cable clutch system, as opposed to hydraulic? If so, that won't make a difference. It'll still have linkages.
-Jeff

[E_Racer]

Yea i have a cable clutch. I hope thats the problem. Ill check it out and see, if its a blown tranny then i dont know what to do. So i take off the center console and other trims to get to the linkage? Is there a site or so that i can read up on how to repair?

[kandyflip445]

What kind of integra...I'm gonna look it up on Mitchell and see if I can find something.

[E_Racer]

i have a 1990 ACura Integra Sedan GS. Manual Transmission of course. Cable Clutch, opposed to the Hydralic. TIA

[Jeff240sx]

Originally posted by E_Racer
Yea i have a cable clutch. I hope thats the problem. Ill check it out and see, if its a blown tranny then i dont know what to do. So i take off the center console and other trims to get to the linkage? Is there a site or so that i can read up on how to repair?

The cable clutch isn't the problem. If it was, you wouldn't have any pedal resistance, and you wouldn't be able to start the car, as SilviaDriver said you did. If the cable was broken, you wouldn't have disengaged the clutch, and the car would lurch as you cranked the engine over.
I'm 99.8% sure it is a shifter linkage.
Sorry. I don't have sites for help. You should see them running forward to your transmission.
And KandyFlip, it's a '90 Integra.
-Jeff

[E_Racer]

Thanx so much for your help guys, esapically you Jeff. Haha, i dont own a 240 but my friend ( SilviaDriver ) said you know alot about cars. Im see if its repairable at home, if not then im gonna have to take it to the shop. Haha , even my own club , g2ic.com is not responding. thanks for the help.

[kandyflip445]

Originally posted by Jeff240sx
That's a pretty easy solution. I think that Natty was on the right track, but it's a shift linkage.
The shift linkage is a piece of metal that connects as you go into the 1-2 slot, the 3-4 slot, and then a 5th gear and reverse.
The linkage moves the shifter gear onto and off the other gear. If it breaks, you can't pull the "collar" from the gear, hence, stuck in gear. If you broke the linkage (I've done it once, my friend did it once), it is only a 1/4" circular tube, and a factory only part.
Good Luck.
-Jeff

Jeff, are you talkin about the parts that move the shift fork?

[Jeff240sx]

Yea. They should go from the shifter to the shift fork on the transmission. I don't know exactly how they'd be routed on a FWD car, but unless it's magic, there will be shafts going from the stifter to the tranny.
-Jeff

[kandyflip445]

Well from what I've seen of them(in a manual tranny class this semester:D ) The shifter is connected to the "shift linkage" (the cable or rod going from the shifter to the tranny) then that moves the shift rail which moves the shift fork causing the syncro to select a gear. Just trying to get a clear understanding of what you are sayin. If you mean the cable(or rod) from the shifter to the tranny I would think that would be right. He said he could go from 3rd to 4th right? I would check for binding of the cable. If it's not that then maybe the shift rail is binding.(Err...bent....)

[Jeff240sx]

Yea. That's what I'm talking about. But he said it's stuck in gear, which means that the linkage is busted, leaving the tranny in gear. And I don't think that it is a cable operated mechanism there. How could you push forward (2nd to 3rd gear)with a cable? Every linkage I've ever seen was a rod.
The cable he's talking about is just the clutch pedal to throwout bearing lever. That is it.
-Jeff

[kandyflip445]

Nevermind the shift-rail comment. I was looking in my book and it has a diagram of 3 rails. 5-R rail, 3-4 rail, and the 1-2 rail(left to right in diagram). It describes it as

"As the rail moves, a detent ball moves out of its detent notch and drops into the notch for the selected gear. At the same time, an interlock pin moves out of its interlock notch and into the other shift rails."

I really wish I had a scanner so I could show it to you. What I get from it is that the interlock plates keep other gears from being selected while the 3-4 gears are being used. So from that I think it has something to do with those. If they were to be contaminated/binding or something of the sort it would prevent you from selecting 5-R, or 1-2. And if there was a little bit of play on one of the other rails because the interlock plate wasn't fully over then another gear 1-2, 1-R could be selected at the same time or just partialy engaged and that would cause the grinding noise.
:D

[kandyflip445]

Well it's me and Jeff talked about it and we decided it was either the shift fork or the rail it rides on. I'm gonna include an estimate off of mitchell. I can't find a shift shaft for 3-4:confused: ...only 1-2 or 5-R. So I'm just gonna use the 5-R since it costs more. I'm also gonna include the 3-4 shift fork and all labor. If you can give me hourly rates there I can adjust it later to be a little more accurate.

Shift fork: 69.28
Shifting Shaft&Lever 5-R: 27.82
Transaxle Remove, Install and Overhaul(includes: R&I transaxle assembly, inspect and replace necessary transmission and differential parts and road test): 625

Total:722.10

Now this is VERY VERY high. Due to the labor I chose to use from the selection I had in the program. The actual time on there was 12.5 hours. But keep in mind that is taking apart the entire tranny. I'm sure it woudn't be NEAR this price so just take the parts prices and use that as a starting point for estimating the cost. I'm sorry I couldn't be more exact. Jeff and I suggest taking it to a tech anyways to see exactly what is wrong and get a proper diagnosis. Even if we are right, I doubt you would be fixing it or would have the equipment to fix it yourself. So you might as well find a good shop and ask them to take a look at it. Ask them to check out your Gearshift Linkage in particular. Make sure to give them as accurate a description of what went wrong as you can. Don't leave anything out(like racing habits if thats when it started, hard shifting, etc.). This will help the tech pinpoint the exact cause and the route to correct it. And if he/she is particularly good then they might even be able to suggest a means to keep this from happening again. I hope I've helped more than I have confused. Just IM me on AOL, PM me on here, or e-mail me if you have any questions.

~Brian Zook

[nrcooled]

Go to Honda Tech (http://www.honda-tech.com) and they can give you more help also. Those guys know there $h1t about Hondas. You may be able to find someone on the board that lives near you and can do the work for you for less then going to Honda or somewhere else.

Also consider buying a new tranny. I will give you a scenario:

Me: Dead syncros in SR tranny
Mechanic: Need new syncros $45 each and $700 in labor
Me: Call Heavy-Throttle "I need a SR tranny"
Yuri: Yeah no prob it'll be $250 ::actual price cause I checked::

Tell me what would be easier $800+ to fix mine or $250 to replace (which I can do myself)

FYI-transmissions are disposable;)

[E_Racer]

Kool, thanx for the help guys. Yea im gonna go check it out at a shop. And tell them what happened. Hopefully they dont rip me a new one, if you know what i mean. I tend to drive and shift hard time to time.. haha we are all at fault at this one. But hopefully you guys are right and i dont have to replace the whole tranny. Thanks alot for your help kandy and jeff, means alot. -Tai

[nrcooled]

Originally posted by E_Racer
Kool, thanx for the help guys. Yea im gonna go check it out at a shop. And tell them what happened. Hopefully they dont rip me a new one, if you know what i mean. I tend to drive and shift hard time to time.. haha we are all at fault at this one. But hopefully you guys are right and i dont have to replace the whole tranny. Thanks alot for your help kandy and jeff, means alot. -Tai

Sometimes buying a new tranny is the cheapest and easiest way to go. Why spend all that money on labor for that tranny when you can just buy a new one (well used anyway) that works:confused: