isis oil pan

[bowflex]

I'm looking to by a new oil pan for my sr20 to replace the old tiny one. I don't really have that much money so I found an ISIS oil pan that claims to be an inexpensive alternative to Greddy version. It's $130 as opposed to $375 for Greddy and $400 for ARC. I don't want what I buy to leak or not work either so I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about it. Saw in on enjuku.com just for reference.

[!Zar!]

Don't be a cheapass.

Buy a real oil pan or else risk loosing oil and blowing your motor.

[96Turbo]

greddy NEEEEEEDs your business. Just do it. It's legit

[silviakid2790]

i was also lookin at the same pan and wondering the same as well...... if you compare the greddy and ISIS the picture is the exact same, and they have the exact same description

[luisgonz]

i was also lookin at the same pan and wondering the same as well...... if you compare the greddy and ISIS the picture is the exact same, and they have the exact same description

Its called copy and paste, Just Buy greddy.

[jrocslider]

knockoff companies killing the real ones but all these guys care about is saving some money.

i hope you blow your motor.

[420sx]

buy a stock pan and get an oil cooler. i ran extra quart of oil just to be safe in the sr on the track. no need for a 300 dollar pan

[96Turbo]

i was also lookin at the same pan and wondering the same as well...... if you compare the greddy and ISIS the picture is the exact same, and they have the exact same description

yup, that's why they're called knockoffs. They copy greddy's product and do it with little to no quality control and cheaper manufacturing methods. This is why u save money and why their products oftentimes are giant pieces of shit

[landins13]

moroso also makes an oil pan for the sr its legit.

[420sx]

support america.

buy ls6 crate motor.

[Om1kron]

knockoff companies killing the real ones but all these guys care about is saving some money.

I hope you blow your motor.

+1:-/:-/:-/:-/:-/:-/:-/

[xplicit240]

sigh this is exactly why im out of a job. support the real companies and buy the legit stuff.

[Mangudai]

knockoff companies killing the real ones but all these guys care about is saving some money.

i hope you blow your motor.


That's a bit much.

[Nismo240SX]

honestly, after selling greddy and the greddy knockoff years ago... if it were up to me, I'd get the knockoff. Even if money wasn't an object, I'd still get it. In all seriousness, you're paying for the name. We measured every part of the knockoff, and it was just as on as the greddy. If Greddy needs our business, they'll lower their prices and get in the game. I wouldn't cheap out on a few things though... engine internals, suspension, and electronics. Just my $.02 though.

[bl3ujay07]

sigh this is exactly why im out of a job. support the real companies and buy the legit stuff.

Yup, what he said. OEM or real stuff, no knock offs.

[ant s13]

Has anyone actually blown their motor cause of a "knock off" oil pan? Please correct me.

[SidewayZ-s14]

honestly, after selling greddy and the greddy knockoff years ago... if it were up to me, I'd get the knockoff. Even if money wasn't an object, I'd still get it. In all seriousness, you're paying for the name. We measured every part of the knockoff, and it was just as on as the greddy. If Greddy needs our business, they'll lower their prices and get in the game. I wouldn't cheap out on a few things though... engine internals, suspension, and electronics. Just my $.02 though.

Amen.
If i were in your position, id most def buy it.
hope it goes well! :)

[markyboi]

i wouldn't cheap out on anything that is very vital to the engine

[S14DB]

After seeing how poorly a Freddy oil pan fit I would never use one. Not a fan of the Greddy ether. Cast Alum that close to the ground on a lowered car...

I would only get the Tomei pan. Can't beat Steel.



moroso also makes an oil pan for the sr its legit.

Hasn't been in their stock list for 2-3 years.

[vodka2]

get the arc pan ... if your going to upgrade something why not get the best ... i mean if you cant afford something wait / save up some money and try to look for one on a discount im sure you can get a arc pan for under 375 ... when you go to the store and see milk thats fresh and milk on sale that expires today .. do you buy the milk that expires today because you want to save .23 cents ?! if you do then you fail lol

[vvtisupra]

DAMNIT !!!! So many ignorant people. Its not just dimension that you can see with your eyes. Grab a damn clue. Quit being dumb. Think about castings, think how the metal is poured into the mold. Think about it. If you want to take real measurements send it into a lab and get the metallurgy of both products. Guarantee you greddy is better.

Stronger castings(stronger product), less porousity. Less chance of oil seeping through the metal.

"If Greddy needs our business they will lower their prices ?" Are you ******* kidding me? Can you just roll a tub of grease down the road and go slide on it please?

Cost of aluminum went up, cost of shipping went up, cost of engineers went up. You think companies that make copies have engineers to develope parts ? No they just copy duh! Thats why copies are cheaper, But because they don't have engineers then they don't know the processess of producing a good product. For that same reason they probably didn't spend the R&D on how to cast the metal to give it maximum strength, superior finish, and less porousity.


You wouldn't cheap out on important things like internals ??? MOFDUGing engine relies on your oil pan !!!!!

I jUsT gOt StUpIdEr ReAdInG yOuR pOsT

V


honestly, after selling greddy and the greddy knockoff years ago... if it were up to me, I'd get the knockoff. Even if money wasn't an object, I'd still get it. In all seriousness, you're paying for the name. We measured every part of the knockoff, and it was just as on as the greddy. If Greddy needs our business, they'll lower their prices and get in the game. I wouldn't cheap out on a few things though... engine internals, suspension, and electronics. Just my $.02 though.

[Megadang]

.. do you buy the milk that expires today because you want to save .23 cents ?! if you do then you fail lol

How is that the same as buying a knock off oil pan?

[fromxtor]

I only paid $150 for my ARC pan, is it going to fail on me because I didn't pay full price? :D

[drift into a curb]

I don't think it's just the name you're paying for. I've had knockoffs of intercoolers/oil pans/etc and sold them right back after seeing the quality. Do things right the first time. Support Greddy. After buying a XS/Mountain/Stone branded stuff, I realize crap doesn't fit up right, aluminum isn't proper thickness, their casting sucks, leaks everywhere. I'm one for saving a buck, but don't cheap out just cuz it has the same function as the part it's copying and skip out on the quality.

Just because you drive a 240 doesn't mean you should put junk parts on it. Have some class and respect for your car and yourself.

[Maiku240sxS14]

I'm with everybody who is for buying the real thing...."You get what you pay for!"

[fliprayzin240sx]

Has anyone actually blown their motor cause of a "knock off" oil pan? Please correct me.

Maybe, theres really no way to tell. But how often do you hear people in here about getting rod knocks? You get rod knocks on SRs in 2 ways, engine pinging/knocking or oil related issues. Thats where you start asking yourself if you did everything in your power to alleviate oil issues from developing in your engine. Bad oil pan, too thin of oil, dry start, shitty engine, clogged up sump...etc etc.

[murda-c]

If you're gonna make the mistake of putting a cast aluminum oil pan on a car that's probably going to be lowered, at least do it right and get the greddy one.

[aNskY]

After seeing how poorly a Freddy oil pan fit I would never use one. Not a fan of the Greddy ether. Cast Alum that close to the ground on a lowered car...

I would only get the Tomei pan. Can't beat Steel.


.

FTW. greddy or otherwise... cast aluminum oil pan? track only, ok, but you'd be nuts to use that on the street.

[s13silady]

DAMNIT !!!! So many ignorant people. Its not just dimension that you can see with your eyes. Grab a damn clue. Quit being dumb. Think about castings, think how the metal is poured into the mold. Think about it. If you want to take real measurements send it into a lab and get the metallurgy of both products. Guarantee you greddy is better.

Stronger castings(stronger product), less porousity. Less chance of oil seeping through the metal.

"If Greddy needs our business they will lower their prices ?" Are you ******* kidding me? Can you just roll a tub of grease down the road and go slide on it please?

Cost of aluminum went up, cost of shipping went up, cost of engineers went up. You think companies that make copies have engineers to develope parts ? No they just copy duh! Thats why copies are cheaper, But because they don't have engineers then they don't know the processess of producing a good product. For that same reason they probably didn't spend the R&D on how to cast the metal to give it maximum strength, superior finish, and less porousity.


You wouldn't cheap out on important things like internals ??? MOFDUGing engine relies on your oil pan !!!!!

I jUsT gOt StUpIdEr ReAdInG yOuR pOsT

V

DAMNIT !!!! So many ignorant people. Its not just dimension that you can see with your eyes. Grab a damn clue. Quit being dumb. Think about castings, think how the metal is poured into the mold. Think about it. If you want to take real measurements send it into a lab and get the metallurgy of both products. Guarantee you greddy is better.

Stronger castings(stronger product), less porousity. Less chance of oil seeping through the metal.

"If Greddy needs our business they will lower their prices ?" Are you ******* kidding me? Can you just roll a tub of grease down the road and go slide on it please?

Cost of aluminum went up, cost of shipping went up, cost of engineers went up. You think companies that make copies have engineers to develope parts ? No they just copy duh! Thats why copies are cheaper, But because they don't have engineers then they don't know the processess of producing a good product. For that same reason they probably didn't spend the R&D on how to cast the metal to give it maximum strength, superior finish, and less porousity.


You wouldn't cheap out on important things like internals ??? MOFDUGing engine relies on your oil pan !!!!!

I jUsT gOt StUpIdEr ReAdInG yOuR pOsT

V

DAMNIT !!!! So many ignorant people. Its not just dimension that you can see with your eyes. Grab a damn clue. Quit being dumb. Think about castings, think how the metal is poured into the mold. Think about it. If you want to take real measurements send it into a lab and get the metallurgy of both products. Guarantee you greddy is better.

Stronger castings(stronger product), less porousity. Less chance of oil seeping through the metal.

"If Greddy needs our business they will lower their prices ?" Are you ******* kidding me? Can you just roll a tub of grease down the road and go slide on it please?

Cost of aluminum went up, cost of shipping went up, cost of engineers went up. You think companies that make copies have engineers to develope parts ? No they just copy duh! Thats why copies are cheaper, But because they don't have engineers then they don't know the processess of producing a good product. For that same reason they probably didn't spend the R&D on how to cast the metal to give it maximum strength, superior finish, and less porousity.


You wouldn't cheap out on important things like internals ??? MOFDUGing engine relies on your oil pan !!!!!

I jUsT gOt StUpIdEr ReAdInG yOuR pOsT

V

DAMNIT !!!! So many ignorant people. Its not just dimension that you can see with your eyes. Grab a damn clue. Quit being dumb. Think about castings, think how the metal is poured into the mold. Think about it. If you want to take real measurements send it into a lab and get the metallurgy of both products. Guarantee you greddy is better.

Stronger castings(stronger product), less porousity. Less chance of oil seeping through the metal.

"If Greddy needs our business they will lower their prices ?" Are you ******* kidding me? Can you just roll a tub of grease down the road and go slide on it please?

Cost of aluminum went up, cost of shipping went up, cost of engineers went up. You think companies that make copies have engineers to develope parts ? No they just copy duh! Thats why copies are cheaper, But because they don't have engineers then they don't know the processess of producing a good product. For that same reason they probably didn't spend the R&D on how to cast the metal to give it maximum strength, superior finish, and less porousity.


You wouldn't cheap out on important things like internals ??? MOFDUGing engine relies on your oil pan !!!!!

I jUsT gOt StUpIdEr ReAdInG yOuR pOsT

V

Amen to you my brotha.

[rotation3x]

I have ran greddy pan on both my sr's they fit good and resonable price....If you are worried about driving on the stree because your oil pan is aluminum you can get one of those aluminum skid plates and a oil pressure gauge to be xtra cautious.

[Nismo240SX]

DAMNIT !!!! So many ignorant people. Its not just dimension that you can see with your eyes. Grab a damn clue. Quit being dumb. Think about castings, think how the metal is poured into the mold. Think about it. If you want to take real measurements send it into a lab and get the metallurgy of both products. Guarantee you greddy is better.

Stronger castings(stronger product), less porousity. Less chance of oil seeping through the metal.

"If Greddy needs our business they will lower their prices ?" Are you ******* kidding me? Can you just roll a tub of grease down the road and go slide on it please?

Cost of aluminum went up, cost of shipping went up, cost of engineers went up. You think companies that make copies have engineers to develope parts ? No they just copy duh! Thats why copies are cheaper, But because they don't have engineers then they don't know the processess of producing a good product. For that same reason they probably didn't spend the R&D on how to cast the metal to give it maximum strength, superior finish, and less porousity.


You wouldn't cheap out on important things like internals ??? MOFDUGing engine relies on your oil pan !!!!!

I jUsT gOt StUpIdEr ReAdInG yOuR pOsT

V

well, seeing I've been doing more swaps and installs alot longer than you... and actually have used and installed both, I'll still stand behind my statement. However, I think someone who isn't seeing alot of boost the pan, a bigger pan isn't needed IMHO. I'm running 12psi, and I still am using the OEM pan. A bigger pan would be beneficial iff(if and only if) you're pushing a good amount of boost, and/or don't check and top off you oil level regularly.

Back to the Greddy vs. knockoff debate... when you have both pans in hand and measure every piece of each pan, you would see they were exactly the same. They look identical, they felt identical. Of course, the knockoff didn't say SR20 and is flat there. Our distributor claimed both were manufactured in the same plant, but I can't confirm this. I don't believe so, but they do look very similar.

If you're worried about oil seeping through metal, you wouldn't even choose aluminum. If you're worried about bottoming out and scraping, you shouldn't choose a bigger oil pan. Like 420sx said, stay OEM and use an oil cooler. You'll have more oil capacity, and you'll be keeping your oil temps down. Nor will you have to worry about scrapping and damaging your pan.

I'm not promoting use of aluminum pans or larger pans, nor am I promoting knockoffs over solid name brands. IMHO the stock pan does its job, and I've used stock pans on cars that are seeing over 375 hp+.

[vvtisupra]

::sigh::

Did you not read anything I wrote. I don't care if you've installed tons of sr's or one sr, you are not getting the point. And installing sr's has nothing to do with the understanding of the engineering and manufacturing of products.

"They look identical, they felt identical. "
Doesn't mean they are identical. There is nothing you can percieve about the metal visually that can lead a conclusion that they are the same. Which is why I suggested having both samples taken to a lab to have get the metallurgy. Different processes in cooling the metal, casting the metal, and pureness of the metal can give you a huge difference in porosity, strength and finish.


"Like 420sx said, stay OEM and use an oil cooler. You'll have more oil capacity, and you'll be keeping your oil temps down. Nor will you have to worry about scrapping and damaging your pan."

But you will worry about your oil pick up trying to scavenge oil as it sloshes around on a race track. But ofcourse you know this because you've installed tons of sr's and blah blah

"I'm running 12psi, and I still am using the OEM pan. A bigger pan would be beneficial iff(if and only if) you're pushing a good amount of boost, and/or don't check and top off you oil level regularly."

I don't even need to explain this to you right ? You get the idea from the first explanation right ?

What scares me is, you've stated that you've installed tons of sr's yet from your explanations, it sounds as if you know nothing about the basic functions of baffles in an oil pan, nor do you understand why Greddy has to charge more for a product they spent engineering time and development for a quality product vs. a knock off brand.

[moses]

Another reason to support greddy is because they come up with these products. Knockoffs arent going to come up with new shit when big companies go out of business. THINK OF YOUR CHILDREN. J/P

[usdm180sx]

honestly, after selling greddy and the greddy knockoff years ago... if it were up to me, I'd get the knockoff. Even if money wasn't an object, I'd still get it. In all seriousness, you're paying for the name. We measured every part of the knockoff, and it was just as on as the greddy. If Greddy needs our business, they'll lower their prices and get in the game. I wouldn't cheap out on a few things though... engine internals, suspension, and electronics. Just my $.02 though.


You missed the most important point: The freddy knockoff casting
quality is not the same as the Greddy. Several freddy oil pans have been found to bee more porous, meaning that the oil will actually seep through the freddy oil pan. This will not happen with a real Greddy oil pan.

But hey it's your motor.

[murda-c]

So basically we just need to find out if this oil pan is good or not?

[Nismo240SX]

::sigh::

Did you not read anything I wrote. I don't care if you've installed tons of sr's or one sr, you are not getting the point. And installing sr's has nothing to do with the understanding of the engineering and manufacturing of products.

"They look identical, they felt identical. "
Doesn't mean they are identical. There is nothing you can percieve about the metal visually that can lead a conclusion that they are the same. Which is why I suggested having both samples taken to a lab to have get the metallurgy. Different processes in cooling the metal, casting the metal, and pureness of the metal can give you a huge difference in porosity, strength and finish.


"Like 420sx said, stay OEM and use an oil cooler. You'll have more oil capacity, and you'll be keeping your oil temps down. Nor will you have to worry about scrapping and damaging your pan."

But you will worry about your oil pick up trying to scavenge oil as it sloshes around on a race track. But ofcourse you know this because you've installed tons of sr's and blah blah

"I'm running 12psi, and I still am using the OEM pan. A bigger pan would be beneficial iff(if and only if) you're pushing a good amount of boost, and/or don't check and top off you oil level regularly."

I don't even need to explain this to you right ? You get the idea from the first explanation right ?

What scares me is, you've stated that you've installed tons of sr's yet from your explanations, it sounds as if you know nothing about the basic functions of baffles in an oil pan, nor do you understand why Greddy has to charge more for a product they spent engineering time and development for a quality product vs. a knock off brand.

well, it beats the sh*t outa me that you're still defending the greddy. I personally would not use an aluminum pan my car regardless. I know Ken from Enjuku, and used to deal with them on a daily basis. Knowing them pretty well, I know they will not sell poor products. The Isis is an affordable version of the Greddy. However, you call them up and ask them which one, I'm sure they'll suggest the ARC or Greddy. Never did I say it will preform better or worse. So when you're trying to start and internet fight over nothing, quote me on this... If you want a quality larger capacity oil pan that won't bust when you hit something, go with the Tomei. IMHO, the best pan for me is stock. You choose your budget and whats right for you. For the guy who asked in the first place, I gave my opinion, and others theirs. The defended yours and proved it. I apologize for trying to make you feel inferior by saying how long I've been doing this. You make good points. The Greddy will be made and perform better, I just think the Isis will do a good job for the price point. Again vvtisupra, I apologize.

[aNskY]

You missed the most important point: The freddy knockoff casting
quality is not the same as the Greddy. Several freddy oil pans have been found to bee more porous, meaning that the oil will actually seep through the freddy oil pan. This will not happen with a real Greddy oil pan.

But hey it's your motor.


i keep reading this, about the oil pans, and intake manis.... lots of people claiming shit, but all seeem to be 3rd hand. Anyone actually lose all of their oil through the pan?

[silentstyle1]

dont buy a cheap knockoff, just to save some money, it's people like that, that are causing all of the legit businesses to go down the drain.

[sbanzer123]

i can see not buying knockoffs and i dont have any knockoff parts on my car and also have tons of gredy parts. but you guys cant tell me that greddys pricing is absolutly rediculas 400$ for an oil pan? 6-700$ for an intake manifold 230$ for a headgasket come on i think greddy knows that people will pay for the name and take full advantage of it, and you people that see no problem with theese prices because of all the "r&d" and time they put into developing there products need to take off your blinding brand royalty glasses and and take a look at what other "brand name" companies that put r&d into there prices are charging. i can go over to summit racing and buy a "name brand" edelbrock intake manifold for a 302 for $159.59. i can also go over to summit and buy a PAIR not one headgasket from gm performance for a lt1 for $29.95. i think the people that set the pricing for greddy are out to lunch and are the real reason that they are about to go out of business.

[landins13]

lets see, this whole argument has become a bitch fit over buying knock off parts so the justification is that the brand name parts fit better and are stronger, these companies need our business, because lord knows greddy only makes sr20 oil pans.
i blew my first sr because i dented the stock pan, rookie mistake, oh well. when i rebuilt the motor the first thing i bought after internals was the greddy oil pan.
after about a month of hard driving i managed to crack the greddy oil pan while drifting, (ride height issues). so as a temporary fix i used a knock off so i could have my car running while i saved to buy another "name brand" oil pan, the knock off is still sitting in my garage on my build motor no problems, a bunch of scratches and dings but not cracks leaks ect.

im currently running a morosso oil pan on my sr in my dd thats why i suggested it, i havent had any problems with it. its cheaper then the greddy, relativelly the same design, i figure if morosso is nhra and ndra standard there is a reason for it.

whether you use knock off parts or the real deal should be up to the individual. buying a knock off greddy oil pan isnt going to make or break the company, if you buy all knock off parts for your car, bet your ass your gonna have one unreliable pos, mix it up whatever you want to do.

[EroGori]

i can see not buying knockoffs and i dont have any knockoff parts on my car and also have tons of gredy parts. but you guys cant tell me that greddys pricing is absolutly rediculas 400$ for an oil pan? 6-700$ for an intake manifold 230$ for a headgasket come on i think greddy knows that people will pay for the name and take full advantage of it, and you people that see no problem with theese prices because of all the "r&d" and time they put into developing there products need to take off your blinding brand royalty glasses and and take a look at what other "brand name" companies that put r&d into there prices are charging. i can go over to summit racing and buy a "name brand" edelbrock intake manifold for a 302 for $159.59. i can also go over to summit and buy a PAIR not one headgasket from gm performance for a lt1 for $29.95. i think the people that set the pricing for greddy are out to lunch and are the real reason that they are about to go out of business.

I completely agree

[ROUGE180]

support america.

buy ls6 crate motor.

HAHAHA I love it. :bigok:

[SoSideways]

moroso also makes an oil pan for the sr its legit.


Hasn't been in their stock list for 2-3 years.


im currently running a morosso oil pan on my sr in my dd thats why i suggested it, i havent had any problems with it. its cheaper then the greddy, relativelly the same design, i figure if morosso is nhra and ndra standard there is a reason for it.

With all that Moroso talk, I went ahead and looked up Moroso's site to confirm the existence of an SR20 oil pan.

Apparently they just came out with a RWD SR one for drift/drag applications.

4-3/4 quart capacity, stock depth, welded sheet aluminum, has dual internal baffles, bolt on, even comes with all the hardware and has provision for oil temp sensor.

$289.95 from Summit Racing.

Um... I'm gonna buy this one.

Here's the Moroso page (scroll all the way to the bottom):

Moroso : Category Display (http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=11995)

Here's the page on Summit Racing:

Moroso 20975 - - summitracing.com (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D20975&N=700+115&autoview=sku)

[born2boost]

I had the arc and i ended up getting a greddy because my arc didnt have the trap doors. Go with a greddy.

[chituntang]

I only paid $150 for my ARC pan, is it going to fail on me because I didn't pay full price? :D

No. You are hurting the economy because you buy 2nd hand product, which only hurts ARC because they did not make any money when you buy the used oil pan. When you buy new knock off brand items, at least you are supporting the economy.

[SoSideways]

No. You are hurting the economy because you buy 2nd hand product, which only hurts ARC because they did not make any money when you buy the used oil pan. When you buy new knock off brand items, at least you are supporting the economy.

How about if you just buy the Moroso pan instead of a knock off pan?

Since Moroso is an AMERICAN company, and you're buying NEW, you're helping the ECONOMY AND NOT BUYING KNOCK OFF!!

Yes I realize it is not JDM, but hey, I'd rather support a company that has supported the aftermarket industry for decades and actually has many proven products in the racing circuit, than to buy something from a knock off company that may or may not have gotten the original formula right.

[vvtisupra]

i can see not buying knockoffs and i dont have any knockoff parts on my car and also have tons of gredy parts. but you guys cant tell me that greddys pricing is absolutly rediculas 400$ for an oil pan? 6-700$ for an intake manifold 230$ for a headgasket come on i think greddy knows that people will pay for the name and take full advantage of it, and you people that see no problem with theese prices because of all the "r&d" and time they put into developing there products need to take off your blinding brand royalty glasses and and take a look at what other "brand name" companies that put r&d into there prices are charging. i can go over to summit racing and buy a "name brand" edelbrock intake manifold for a 302 for $159.59. i can also go over to summit and buy a PAIR not one headgasket from gm performance for a lt1 for $29.95. i think the people that set the pricing for greddy are out to lunch and are the real reason that they are about to go out of business.

I'm in the industry, I've got 4 engineers sitting behind me and a multi-million dollar Link dyno infront of me. Tell me again what do you do ?

All the companies listed are american companies for american cars and most of them are in ties with oem production. When you are tied in to oem production you get the benefit of larger resources and get discounts by volume. And guess what GM is still losing money. You also gotta factor the cost of shipping/ customs etc.

You have to think about initial investment. True you are paying for some of the name, but guess how that name was established? Quality parts designed by quality engineers, designed and implemented on race cars.

You have to realize the volume of people that are going to spend money on an sr20 oil pan. There is not enough profit to sell them for slim margins above cost, thats just dumb business, and you are killing the company by undercutting with a copy that took 0 dollars in R n D and time. All they did was buy the Greddy part and send it to a chinese producer. And I guarantee they will look for any way to cut cost on top of that, by using a half ass mold, less pure metals, and/or by trying to quicken production and not cooling metals properly.

And please don't try to give me excuses. We all know that even if the greddy oil pan was 250 most of the 240 owners would still choose the Freddy or any other copy.


But you know what? I'm done with trying to convince people who think they know the industry and blame smaller companies for higher prices. Get a clue and think a little bit. Whats next you guys are going to undermind the importance of engineering and research and development? This is the movie Idiocracy in real life SHUT UP I'M BAITIN'

[chituntang]

How about if you just buy the Moroso pan instead of a knock off pan?

Since Moroso is an AMERICAN company, and you're buying NEW, you're helping the ECONOMY AND NOT BUYING KNOCK OFF!!

Yes I realize it is not JDM, but hey, I'd rather support a company that has supported the aftermarket industry for decades and actually has many proven products in the racing circuit, than to buy something from a knock off company that may or may not have gotten the original formula right.

If the Greddy is 200 and the Freddy is 150, everybody is going to buy the Greddy. Now the Moroso is like 300 and the Greddy is about 350, it is a matter of choice, not a matter of money.

When an average person buys something, he/she looks at price first. Why pay 200 more for the same stuff? Then he/she may look at the products themselves, to see the quality. Even if the quality does worth the extra 200, some may still choose the cheaper one so he/she can have the extra in his/her own pocket, or maybe after all, he/she does not have the extra 200 to spend in the first place.

[SoSideways]

The Moroso pan isn't even the same thing as the GReddy pan, much less the FReddy.

Moroso != cast (it's actually welded sheet metal)
GReddy = cast (good cast)
FReddy = cast (bad cast usually)

So... I don't see why you're comparing apples to oranges and then saying people are still going to buy FReddy when now you have something of quality that isn't $200 or more dollars, and will work better on the street and track (it won't crack cause it's not a cast item, it will dent though).

[chituntang]

I'm in the industry, I've got 4 engineers sitting behind me and a multi-million dollar Link dyno infront of me. Tell me again what do you do ?

All the companies listed are american companies for american cars and most of them are in ties with oem production. When you are tied in to oem production you get the benefit of larger resources and get discounts by volume. And guess what GM is still losing money. You also gotta factor the cost of shipping/ customs etc.

You have to think about initial investment. True you are paying for some of the name, but guess how that name was established? Quality parts designed by quality engineers, designed and implemented on race cars.

You have to realize the volume of people that are going to spend money on an sr20 oil pan. There is not enough profit to sell them for slim margins above cost, thats just dumb business, and you are killing the company by undercutting with a copy that took 0 dollars in R n D and time. All they did was buy the Greddy part and send it to a chinese producer. And I guarantee they will look for any way to cut cost on top of that, by using a half ass mold, less pure metals, and/or by trying to quicken production and not cooling metals properly.

And please don't try to give me excuses. We all know that even if the greddy oil pan was 250 most of the 240 owners would still choose the Freddy or any other copy.


But you know what? I'm done with trying to convince people who think they know the industry and blame smaller companies for higher prices. Get a clue and think a little bit. Whats next you guys are going to undermind the importance of engineering and research and development? This is the movie Idiocracy in real life SHUT UP I'M BAITIN'

You know why Walmart is stuff with cheap Chinese products? It is not because the Chinese just make cheap products. It is because Walmart wants cheap products. Input of cheap labor and cheap resources equals cheap products. When the whole America stop asking for cheap products and actually pay the price what things suppose to cost, then you will get good stuff.

The Moroso pan isn't even the same thing as the GReddy pan, much less the FReddy.

Moroso != cast (it's actually welded sheet metal)
GReddy = cast (good cast)
FReddy = cast (bad cast usually)

So... I don't see why you're comparing apples to oranges and then saying people are still going to buy FReddy when now you have something of quality that isn't $200 or more dollars, and will work better on the street and track (it won't crack cause it's not a cast item, it will dent though).

Moroso cost like 300 at Summit... So yeah, you are comparing 2 products within the same price range (Greddy v. Moroso). This is not compare apples and oranges. Even if it is, I want an apple so I choose the apple. Like I said it is a choice.

Actually, in a scenes, you can compare apple and orange. If you are looking for some fruit to eat and there are 2 choices: apple and orange. What are you going to choose? Suppose the apple cost 10bux when the orange cost 25cents, which are you going to choose?

[xplicit240]

ok to answer the question of someone losing their motor,

i used to work at greddy east coast, ive gotten several phone calls of people with knock off pans and manifolds and blew their motor cause the casting was not perfect and the particles came off the parts. and demanded that i help them get a replacement because they bought it on ebay and it said Greddy Style on it. are you kidding me?

same thing with the BOV's people complain about it leaking and breaking. another freddy knock off.


if you want to take that chance then go ahead.

this issue has been covered enough, its even been in the magazines.

i myself have never used anything knock off. i paid the price to play and it served me well.

i agree sometimes the pricing is a little steep, but quality and service comes along with it.

[SoSideways]

Moroso cost like 300 at Summit... So yeah, you are comparing 2 products within the same price range (Greddy v. Moroso). This is not compare apples and oranges. Even if it is, I want an apple so I choose the apple. Like I said it is a choice.

Actually, in a scenes, you can compare apple and orange. If you are looking for some fruit to eat and there are 2 choices: apple and orange. What are you going to choose? Suppose the apple cost 10bux when the orange cost 25cents, which are you going to choose?

Cool.

Hope your savings of $150 was worth a new motor then. Or if for whatever reason the FReddy pan doesn't work due to whatever reason, and you try to call the eBay vendor about it, hope the customer service is good.

Honestly, go buy cheap stuff if you guys want. Don't come on the forum and cry about it later on and cuss the companies out saying their junk is, well, junk.

If you do post, we'll all just point and laugh at you, and say "we told you so".

Go ahead and buy cheeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaap!!

[aNskY]

there are some welded sheet metal pans on ebay for about $100, they look pretty good (like the moroso)

[SoSideways]

there are some welded sheet metal pans on ebay for about $100, they look pretty good (like the moroso)

Then get it.

Seriously.

You don't have to post on this forum everytime you find a knock off part of everything.

You want cheap? Don't mod a car. Buy it, and drive it.

Not modding = not spending any money on real/knock off parts.

I'm done with trying to help people find a quality product that costs a little less money, but still has the R&D and support behind them, only for the next post to be "oh you can find the same shit on eBay, and they actually give you $50 if you buy them, but they are a no name brand."

[fromxtor]

there are some welded sheet metal pans on ebay for about $100, they look pretty good (like the moroso)


Those are the Tomei "style" ones, they were first to make the sheet metal oil pan IIRC.

[aNskY]

Then get it.

Seriously.

You don't have to post on this forum everytime you find a knock off part of everything.

You want cheap? Don't mod a car. Buy it, and drive it.

Not modding = not spending any money on real/knock off parts.

I'm done with trying to help people find a quality product that costs a little less money, but still has the R&D and support behind them, only for the next post to be "oh you can find the same shit on eBay, and they actually give you $50 if you buy them, but they are a no name brand."

just putting the info out there, people are free to run whatever parts they like. i myself will continue to run the OEM pan.

[SoSideways]

Those are the Tomei "style" ones, they were first to make the sheet metal oil pan IIRC.

Tomei one is steel.

Moroso one is aluminum.

eBay ones... no clue?

[S14DB]

With all that Moroso talk, I went ahead and looked up Moroso's site to confirm the existence of an SR20 oil pan.

Apparently they just came out with a RWD SR one for drift/drag applications.

4-3/4 quart capacity, stock depth, welded sheet aluminum, has dual internal baffles, bolt on, even comes with all the hardware and has provision for oil temp sensor.

$289.95 from Summit Racing.

Um... I'm gonna buy this one.

Here's the Moroso page (scroll all the way to the bottom):

Moroso : Category Display (http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisplay.asp?catcode=11995)

Here's the page on Summit Racing:

Moroso 20975 - - summitracing.com (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MOR%2D20975&N=700+115&autoview=sku)

Bastards must have brought it back after I got my Tomei. What I would have gone with.

[fromxtor]

^^ Had I not got my ARC for a song I would have also bought that one.

[BrianG701]

I'll be going with the Moroso on my motor, NOT because of the brand name, but because of the fact that it is NOT cast you can say there is "good" cast but I believe that tig'ed sheet is superior due to the material's density compared to cast. If there are any Materials Engineers on here I would love to hear what they have to say on the topic of cast vs. sheet. IMHO if you do not have a degree in metalurgy and the proper test equipment then no you probably wont notice the diference by looking and measuring, weigh the two and you may notice a difference if the casting is that bad. BTW for those who may say I dont know what I am talking about then take a Materials Engineering Class or two and get back to me on that, just my two cents.

Back on topic, buy the name brand oil pan not because o the name but beacause of the quality od the materials used, that is the real seling piont in my eyes.

[KiLLeR2001]

I waited and bought a Greddy oil pan. 8 months later, not one problem.

[slider2828]

You know what, as ken @ enjuku to take a picture and compare. You are asking people who have never seen an ISIS oil pan so its worthless making the comparison. I just looked at the pictures of the ISIS manifold and it looks good... so go off people who ACTUALLY know about these things as ISIS is so new, know one will know nor have information on it. Why not as Ken and see....

[SoSideways]

Well here's the pic from Enjuku's site.

http://enjukuracing.com/images/OP001.jpg

I don't know about you, but it definitely does not scream "quality!!!"

I hope those black bolts aren't the kind that rusts either... that would be pretty bad.

[S14DB]

Biggest problem is it hitting the pan baffle.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/240sx/Engine/PanRub1.jpg

If they are testing these now they should get an extra pan baffle and test fit it in the pans.

[MissShiftS13]

support america.

buy ls6 crate motor.

I wouldn't even buy domestic beer!!!!!!! There's no shame in JDM!

[drift into a curb]

casting quality looks no where as good. also, the greddy has an indent for the oil pick up in the middle of the pan. I say no to knock off engine parts. Support the industry or there won't be one anymore.

[Om1kron]

Bastards must have brought it back after I got my Tomei. What I would have gone with.

good lawd i will be going with morosso! race proven shit right thur!

[SoSideways]

Glad I could be of help.

I'm getting the Moroso as soon as the funds clear.

Oh, we'll need to make a thread to review the Moroso pan too once someone actually has one installed. Would need to post about sway bar clearance, ground clearance, fitment, and overall quality.

[landins13]

i have the moroso one on my car that is the whole reason i initially brought it up. its an alternative to the greddy oil pan it is slightly cheaper and it is still a legit product.

i havent had any problems with it. ive destroyed stock pans several times, ive cracked the greddy pan in half, this moroso 1 is dented dinged, scraped. i have a tendancy to beat the hell out of oil pans (i live on a farm on the east coast) i didnt have any clearance issues as far as the sway bars, as far as ride height the moroso pan sits the same as stock its just wider.

[SoSideways]

i have the moroso one on my car that is the whole reason i initially brought it up. its an alternative to the greddy oil pan it is slightly cheaper and it is still a legit product.

i havent had any problems with it. ive destroyed stock pans several times, ive cracked the greddy pan in half, this moroso 1 is dented dinged, scraped. i have a tendancy to beat the hell out of oil pans (i live on a farm on the east coast) i didnt have any clearance issues as far as the sway bars, as far as ride height the moroso pan sits the same as stock its just wider.

Thank you sir.

Hopefully that will steer people towards the correct decision when trying to buy an oil pan.

[Z33dori]

yea i think i will prolly be going with the Moroso oil pan when the time comes to upgrade.

[slider2828]

I talked with Ken as I needed him to ask a question and he said that he hasn't gotten those pans actually. So those may not be actual pictures. Contact him for more questions. I don't work with him, but I would like to keep an open mind.

[dino6192]

who here has actually used this ISIS pan? alot of you guys have made good points from both standpoints and I'm not here to argue by any means. I do happen to notice from time to time people backing big name quality companies that are running knockoff parts on thier own car!:2c:

[lewisfk]

If greddy is going out of business, wouldn't it make since to drop the price of your oil pan like Toemi!

[zenki.life]

If greddy is going out of business, wouldn't it make since to drop the price of your oil pan like Toemi!

way to bump an old ass thread:ghey:

looks like you messed up on your very first post. that sux lol

[NewS13Guy]

Glad this thread was brought back to life. Very good reading.

[SR20JK]

All I have to say is I have a ISIS intake manifold on my sr. cost me 199 brand new. Doesn't leak, casting felt good inside the manifold and I felt the power difference. So why should I have bought the waste of money greddy when the isis is a ton cheaper. Now this doesn't mean I dont buy brand name parts, cause i do. But there can be a time and a place for some knock off parts. I recommend ISIS products with the experience I have with them. Cant wait for some tool to tell me how i am wrong, well dont worry I bought the greddy FMI

[sbanzer123]

way to bump an old ass thread:ghey:

looks like you messed up on your very first post. that sux lol


:bash: you cant win on this site. people bitch when you dont search, but people bitch when you bump old threads. i guess ill never get it.

[ruudbwoy]

not to say im all for knock offs all day long but who here has all the most expensive branded parts on their car?? i know theres a lot of boosted cars here with freddy intercoolers. has anyone even called isis to see if they do quality control or are part of iso:9000? for those that dont know what iso is, is a quality control process. google it. all im saying is that i do research before i buy parts. if i got to pay top dolla then so be it. but if i can get the same part of equal quality then i see no point to throw money away. research is key. and greddy has been aroudn for years and will continue to be and can charge for their reputation. newer companies have to establish their credibility.

[ruudbwoy]

:bash: you cant win on this site. people bitch when you dont search, but people bitch when you bump old threads. i guess ill never get it.

so tru so tru

[landins13]

ive got a 1400 fmic kit, from greddy, a 800 dollar exhaust from apexi, a 1600dollar turbo a 600 exhaust manifold, 2000 in the bottom end, 1500 in the top end, a 600 dollar clutch a 400 dollar drive shaft, all name brand shit and an isis oil pan, why an isis pan, because i cracked my greddy one

when you dump 15k into a car you bought for 400 its nice to save money from time to time. the isis pan has worked great for me, no issues, i also have the powered by max scrape plate on the bottom of the car because no matter who it is, i dont trust cast aluminum at all.

[TeamFRAT]

I just recieved and installed my isis pan a few weeks ago. So far so good, ill continue to keep watching and inspecting it. I do not have it slammed so I am not so worried cracking it. I think I would like to at least get a skid plate for the bottom.

[luvsr20]

Glad this thread was brought back to life. Very good reading.

I agree 100% with your statement, it takes people to bump old threads to get some new information out there about certain products. In this case the whole discussion turned into people debating over some products they never used. Now we have more people using ISIS oil pans with no negative results.

[NewS13Guy]

so tru so tru

True indeed! I really dont get it sometimes????

ive got a 1400 fmic kit, from greddy, a 800 dollar exhaust from apexi, a 1600dollar turbo a 600 exhaust manifold, 2000 in the bottom end, 1500 in the top end, a 600 dollar clutch a 400 dollar drive shaft, all name brand shit and an isis oil pan, why an isis pan, because i cracked my greddy one

when you dump 15k into a car you bought for 400 its nice to save money from time to time. the isis pan has worked great for me, no issues, i also have the powered by max scrape plate on the bottom of the car because no matter who it is, i dont trust cast aluminum at all.

He speaks the truth

I agree 100% with your statement, it takes people to bump old threads to get some new information out there about certain products. In this case the whole discussion turned into people debating over some products they never used. Now we have more people using ISIS oil pans with no negative results.

Yeah, thats what Ive read. Im really more interested in the Moroso pans! They look great, same OEM clearance, hand welded, and is saving you money! Who has this on there car??? I wanna see some pics, and what to know if it would get in the way with larger sway bars and such.....

[ashaw3]

Fair warning, I had to cut a notch out of my oil pickup plate to accommodate hitting an over-casted part of the isis oil pan.


Other than that, runs like a champ.

[Moon Ill]

guess it's your wallet or ego. If the part is quality and cheaper (even if a knockoff) spending more can only make you feel better.

I've read Eric Hsu's blog a lot and seen some bad quality "chinaman" parts.

If you've got the money, then going with a name brand is ok. The premium you pay for it is pretty much brand equity.

Btw, do you realize we are talking about an oil pan? It's a piece of metal that sits at the bottom of the engine to hold oil (basically an oil reservoir). There are only so many ways to make one.

Kinda like your the coolant reservoir.

If this was something like an Intake, which can vary, I can see the argument.

But hell, some people have more money than brains.

[Moon Ill]

Fair warning, I had to cut a notch out of my oil pickup plate to accommodate hitting an over-casted part of the isis oil pan.


Other than that, runs like a champ.

I think that's what S14DB pointed out a few post earlier. Glad you confirmed it.

[melvaboost]

:fawkd:id get the isis, its the exact same as greddy u just payin for a name

[Crazyirish]

:fawkd:id get the isis, its the exact same as greddy u just payin for a name

And research...and development...and innovation...but who cares. You saved a buck right.

[lewisfk]

Well, hell I bought an Isis oil pan too, so please rip me a new ASSHOLE! I understand that buying knock offs hurt companies who do their own RD! But what's up with the price gouging! If the economy is down, people are broke why sell an oil pan for 400 dollars! If u make a quality product and u want to sell that product price it competitively in the market! The Greddy oil pain is only worth 200 maybe 225, thats it!! But if your one of those cool kids, who has to have the top brands go far it!

[93nismo]

Well, hell I bought an Isis oil pan too, so please rip me a new ASSHOLE! I understand that buying knock offs hurt companies who do their own RD! But what's up with the price gouging! If the economy is down, people are broke why sell an oil pan for 400 dollars! If u make a quality product and u want to sell that product price it competitively in the market! The Greddy oil pain is only worth 200 maybe 225, thats it!! But if your one of those cool kids, who has to have the top brands go far it!

why not be useful and tell us how it is instead of saying what half of the people in here already said. any issues thus far? how long have you had it.. answer some questions that have been asked instead of repeating things please.

[Crazyirish]

Well, hell I bought an Isis oil pan too, so please rip me a new ASSHOLE! I understand that buying knock offs hurt companies who do their own RD! But what's up with the price gouging! If the economy is down, people are broke why sell an oil pan for 400 dollars! If u make a quality product and u want to sell that product price it competitively in the market! The Greddy oil pain is only worth 200 maybe 225, thats it!! But if your one of those cool kids, who has to have the top brands go far it!

Hey man, a free market economy is a democracy where you vote with your dollars. Buy what you want, but I have to ask if you would be so sensitive if you didn't realize you had done something wrong? In reality most people base the "value of a dollar" on what they themselves earn. You can't really blame them I suppose. I guess you can't put a dollar value on perspective.

[ixfxi]

Well, hell I bought an Isis oil pan too, so please rip me a new ASSHOLE! I understand that buying knock offs hurt companies who do their own RD! But what's up with the price gouging! If the economy is down, people are broke why sell an oil pan for 400 dollars! If u make a quality product and u want to sell that product price it competitively in the market! The Greddy oil pain is only worth 200 maybe 225, thats it!! But if your one of those cool kids, who has to have the top brands go far it!


sigh....... you're are almost 30 and still dont "GET IT"



it has nothing to do with the economy, it has to do with one thing: you're a cheap fuck. if you cant afford something good, then leave the shit stock.


ISIS... even the name sounds fucking retarded.

[97240TB]

I think it would be rather interesting/funny to see a company or someone with mad money go out, buy a car, then slap a shit load of Knockoff parts on it. Then go beat the hell out of it. JUST to see what would happen to said parts, do a write up stating duration of time used cause of malfunction, and ways to prevent this malfunction from occurring in the future. To be fair they would have to use the parts keeping them within the same stress tolerances of the name brand product. IF a accident should occur all data for parts broken would be scrubbed and started over.

I agree with whats being said, buy a name brand product and think of it more as an insurance policy on your engine. It'll just give you some piece of mind in the long run. If buying knockoffs is your deal then by all means have at it, just remember that IF or WHEN these parts break or malfunction... You discussed it here and had it within your power to buy a better product, also think about costs... If you purchase the knockoff, the knockoff breaks but you don't have catastrophic failure, you still have to purchase a new part. why put yourself through that struggle frustration and anxiety, oh and you just spent the same amount on the 2 knockoffs as you would have on the name brand piece. GL

[rex2sx]

Ok. Stop talkibg about the economy. Its not getting better becuase you bought domestic parts, and its not getting wose. Becuase the entire well being of our economical standpoint is soloely based aroudn the devleopment and purchasing of aftermarktet accessories right??? HAHaha fools...

What we have yet to see is someone who experienced this problem first hand. If you havent..SHUT UP! DO NOT POST or at least DONT FLAME. We, well i have, heard/seen knock of tubros blowing seals and knockoff manifolds cracking. But what about this "crappy manifold"? No? Until i see someone suffer engine failure i would personally buy the knock.

Dont hate somebody becuase they want to buy the knockoff. Hate them becuase their BF next door got the orignal and they wanna be just like him.

This thread is 2 freakn yrs old and its still being discuesssed??? OP, if your still here, DID YOU EVEN GET THE PAN???

[Om1kron]

the economy is bad and I'm buying car parts... *facepalm*

[Duosx]

moral of this thread:

The better the oil pan the more you help the economy.

and

If you buy knock off your helping support terrorism.

__________________________________________________ ____________


******Knock Off Buyers annonymous can help******

here are some knock off users an what they have to say. :blah:


(lewisfk) - "i cant help myself even tho i know its bad im addicted to shitty inexpensive parts"

(crazyirish) - "the economy made me do it"

(SR20JK) - "knock off is part of my life now ive saved alot of money only to blow it all on my habit of buying more fake shit"

(ruudbwoy) - "all the cool kids are doing it"



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stay away from knock off parts an there devastating aftermath...

You wouldnt drive your family around in a users vehicle would you?


please send all you can so i we can build a proper car.

:2f2f:

thank you.

[DimsumRN]

^----- LOL.

+1 on the Moroso though. I don't think they still make it, but if you can find one used they were initially cheaper than the Greddy and its good quality.

[Patrick Bowering]

My moroso oil pan just showed up from enjuku i bought and isis one and that is one isis product I suggest not buying. I am running an isis rad, fans, intake mani, short shifter. but the oil pan was a pos. needs to be decked before install and drain plug rethreaded. the moroso one is hand tigged and looks amazing i will repost later after i install it tonight.

[sickrbs14]

spring the extra money for not havin to worry if these people are right about isis
word on isis is ify at best

[240sxfamily]

Its a hunk of metal people relax. I have one and its perfect, I compared it with a Moroso. Its the same minus saying Moroso..

[WISH ONE]

Someone show them greddy quality control

[miller1775]

FRSPORT.com still makes the morso oil pan, just got mine last week. product quality looks great and price is good compared to anyone elses.

[510-SR20DET]

the economy is bad and I'm buying car parts... *facepalm*

LMFAO seriously i laughed out loud and spitting burrito everywhere. This makes my day.

Would you buy ISIS piston and rod? There! You just said to yourself.

[!Zar!]

LMFAO seriously i laughed out loud and spitting burrito everywhere. This makes my day.

Would you buy ISIS piston and rod? There! You just said to yourself.

If they were cheap enough, I'm sure half the jerift kids would be all over it.

Even if it was made out of spormax metal.

[JZ78]

My moroso oil pan just showed up from enjuku i bought and isis one and that is one isis product I suggest not buying. I am running an isis rad, fans, intake mani, short shifter. but the oil pan was a pos. needs to be decked before install and drain plug rethreaded. the moroso one is hand tigged and looks amazing i will repost later after i install it tonight.

I know this is suuuuuuuuuper old but hows your moroso pan holding up?

[sidewaysil80]

i just got mine (moroso) in the mail and the welds are amazing...it's a really really solid piece. i can't wait to install it...i'm SLIGHTLY concerned with clearance...that and i hate installing them cause i'm hella paranoid about not tightening them enough and having leaks LOL.

[Patrick Bowering]

My mororso pan is great no leaks some nuts are really tight to the pan but nothing crazy. You do not have to do the nuts up super tight torque spec is under 15ft lbs iirc nor do you need tons of silicone.

[sidewaysil80]

so on the four large bolts (the ones you undo to hit the flange bolts) do you rtv/loctite those back in place or what?