Where to find ROTA's & Wheel Question

[lightsource]

I'm looking for the P-45R's, 4x114.3 (18")

Also, should I get 18" for the back and 17" for the front? I've been seeing that lately. Is it advised?

[Pank]

Do you have an s13 or 14? lowered? kit?

wheeldude.com has rotas if you want to suck and run rotas

17" and 18" stagger isn't going to break anything

[s13silady]

WHEELDUDE.COM - #1 Rota Wheel Dealer. (http://www.wheeldude.com)

EDIT: damn you Pank. :)

[CrimsonRockett]

17/18 staggered is just preference of some people.

I prefer running 17's all around, but 18's in the back are so much easier to tuck.

[lightsource]

In response to everyone. Thanks...

@Pank: I have an S13, megan coilovers, trying to lower it (after I get rid of these OE wheels), no kit.
What's wrong with Rota's. What do you suggest?

@CrimsonRockett: Yea that's what I was thinking about tucking, what does a fender roll cost now-a-days in LA.

[Camo]

A friend of mine works at discount tire. He was telling me the 4lug p45r's wont be out for 3 more months. Not sure if they arent in production yet or discount wont be able to get em for 3 months.

[lightsource]

Oh wow. 3 months eh? That's perfect timing for my paint job.

TY

[Pank]

In response to everyone. Thanks...

@Pank: I have an S13, megan coilovers, trying to lower it (after I get rid of these OE wheels), no kit.
What's wrong with Rota's. What do you suggest?

18's may look a little silly without a kit, but it can be pulled off.

The fact is, you're going to pay as much for new rotas, as you would for used REAL wheels. Used wheels from work, volk, rays, ssr, rs watanabe are just going to be flat out BETTER quality wheels. lighter, better sizing, and stronger.

I bet you can get a nice set of used CR Kais for what you'd pay for new P45r's

[projectRDM]

Staggered sizes are pretty damn stupid on an Schassis IMO. The fenderwells aren't any larger front or back and the height of the car won't be dramatically raked to look right unless you like the muscle car look. Plus you can't rotate tires at all. Stick with one size.

[gtrefive]

...do you know any good sites that sell used works,volks, etc. i know RBWHEELS but they dont really have works,volks.

[SoSideways]

...do you know any good sites that sell used works,volks, etc. i know RBWHEELS but they dont really have works,volks.

You seriously?

I see Work and Volk wheels on RB Wheels everytime I go in there.

Are you even looking at 17 or 18 inch wheels?

[tangch]

A friend of mine works at discount tire. He was telling me the 4lug p45r's wont be out for 3 more months. Not sure if they arent in production yet or discount wont be able to get em for 3 months.

They do make them, there are few sets out there, someone was selling them on the parts for sale section.

[blueshark123]

check the fs section here for rims

[DMaxUSA]

18's may look a little silly without a kit, but it can be pulled off.

The fact is, you're going to pay as much for new rotas, as you would for used REAL wheels. Used wheels from work, volk, rays, ssr, rs watanabe are just going to be flat out BETTER quality wheels. lighter, better sizing, and stronger.

I bet you can get a nice set of used CR Kais for what you'd pay for new P45r's

"Friends dont let friends roll on rota"

Buy good wheels; you will feel better about your car and wont be ashamed to tell people what brand it is.

If you need more proof of why Rotas can be dangerous, check out this link:

ROTArded Wheels | Import Factor (http://www.importfactor.com/aftermarket/rotarded-wheels.html)

Edit: Just because the wheel says it passes some sort of quality control, don't believe it!! I've seen pallets of wheels shipped out of the factory, skipping the whole quality control process.

[Brian]

halleluiah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jdmspooge]

In response to everyone. Thanks...

@Pank: I have an S13, megan coilovers, trying to lower it (after I get rid of these OE wheels), no kit.
What's wrong with Rota's. What do you suggest?

@CrimsonRockett: Yea that's what I was thinking about tucking, what does a fender roll cost now-a-days in LA.


Rota's are cool if you're strictly on a budget IMO. There are some nice ones and some that are plain stupid looking. Truly tho, they don't really have the best sizes compared to the higher end wheels i.e. Volk, work, etc.

It's all about the stance tho! G/L with your choice.

[blackrms13]

Rota's are cool if you're strictly on a budget IMO. There are some nice ones and some that are plain stupid looking. Truly tho, they don't really have the best sizes compared to the higher end wheels i.e. Volk, work, etc.

It's all about the stance tho! G/L with your choice.
the new rota grids in 18x9.5 has some good sizing...LOL

so cross that out...

[racepar1]

I would at least pick rota over sportmax, but that isn't exactly something to brag about. I have heard that rota's tend to crack. They are at least decently light and look decent for the most part. That's more than I can say for sportmax.

[FaLKoN240]

Just buy smaller cheaper wheels until you can save up and flip your old wheels for something nice.

That's what I had to for a good 3 years before I had the wheels of my dreams. ;P

[OptionZero]

or don't buy wheels at all until you can actually afford to....buy wheels?

[Bushido]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/my%20240sx/wheers.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/my%20240sx/DSC06847.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/my%20240sx/my-240-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/my%20240sx/rear-fitment.jpg?t=1224104003

I love my Rota's. I had them make the molds for 18X9.5/17X9.5 4x114.3 +15. I think you can get another production run of them if you are able to place an order for at least 20 wheels. good luck.

Also, should I get 18" for the back and 17" for the front? I've been seeing that lately. Is it advised?
i'm currently running 17/18 stagger, and it feels great, much better turn in with the smaller wheels up front, not to mention clearance... but I think the 18's look better.

[az_240]

These Rota's are a good model. I've never had any problems with mine and get compliments all the time.

Blu808 was saying something about smashing his ls1 FD into a wall with them and they turned out fine.

Oh and I went through subydude... I think he's called wheeldude these days though. $900 shipped for the bronze in 18" 5 lug +20 offset (the +12 was on a 4 month waiting list)

Only thing that really sucks is they are heavy as shit with some ss595's

[Pank]

they're heavy as shit period, and cast.
you CAN GET forged wheels for a grand, used.
shit, some rotas are 1200 dollars shipped. you can get a lot of middle ground used wheels for that.

[Bushido]

22.5 lbs for an 18x9.5in cast wheel isn't "heavy as shit" in my book.

[lflkajfj12123]

rota's are a great way to be not cool

[Bushido]

yeah, if you're a brandwhore.

i don't think it's cool that they don't innovate, but i do think it's cool that they offer custom spec wheels for under $900 shipped. i don't drive my sx at 10/10th's, it's not a race car, it's a street car. it's about looking good to me, and they achieve that. If i was balling out of control, i'd have GT4LM's but would I notice a difference on my daily driver? probably not, except for in my wallet. There are people that accept no excuses, and I respect that, but to me, my sx is about fashion. My z is about function, hence the 3pc S1's...

[Pank]

22.5 lbs for an 18x9.5in cast wheel isn't "heavy as shit" in my book.

which ones?

ohh, the torques
the p45rs are 25lbs

[A Spec Products]

I think you're going to beat a dead horse aka go in circles if you argue yes or no on ROTA

To each his own

If you want to run "real wheels" cool

If you want to run ROTA cool

Freedom of choice

But keep in mind that your end result will be dictated by the choices that you make

And wheels often make or break a vehicle

ROTA's aren't for me, I would never personally run them (regardless if I worked here or not) because that's my personal decision/taste, and I can only make proper recommendations on how I really feel

But I'm not gonna sit here and act like I'm better than the next guy just cause of my rims (not saying anyone is, but the argument is just a big circular one)

My only concern is that I think for the money you might spend (let's just take $900 for sake of an example), you could probably save another $300 and get into a set of Rays or Work wheels

So its not a matter of don't buy Rota, but more a matter of maybe spending your money effectively?

On a side note, what a lot of you used wheel shoppers don't realize is that for the cost I see a lot of these used sets going for, you can get into a brand new set of those wheels (and obviously the advantage is that you can CHOOSE your fitment, and they're NEW)

Staggered sizes are pretty damn stupid on an Schassis IMO. The fenderwells aren't any larger front or back and the height of the car won't be dramatically raked to look right unless you like the muscle car look. Plus you can't rotate tires at all. Stick with one size.

I would disagree (but again, that's my personal preference)

NOVEL ALERT! LOL....

I like staggered

Rotating tires on a S chassis isn't terribly a big deal, its not your mom's Camry

Especially if you go drifting, the fronts will typically outlast rears (obviously) so changing rears is much more frequent than fronts, so not a big deal, just keep swapping the rears, no need to take off all 4 and swap em

But yes, there is something nice about running say 17x9 all around with the same size tire (since you can burn up the rears, then swap front tires to rear, and buy a new pair of fronts, and so on)

If you want to talk pure cost, then yes, 17's all around would be a much more financially sound decision (even though modding cars is not financially sound typically). I definitely enjoyed running 215/45/17's all around back in the day versus now having to buy 18 inch tires out in the rear...but it was a natural progression since now my car would only look correct with 18's (and also there wasn't a wide enough rear size in 17...which I will get into in the next paragraph)

Another reason for the movement towards staggered (at least to me) was that most wheel companies never made higher than a 17x9 in their wheel sizes (if you think about it...max size most real wheel companies make in a 17 is 9, or 9.5...only company to make a 17x10 was 5Zigen with the FN01RC)

So, a lot of guys wanted to go wider in the rear, so since there was no wider choice in 17, they had to look to 18's, so....18x9.5, or maybe 18x10, etc. Thus begins that progression and style

In addition, staggering becomes functional for hard driving, especially in the case of 17/18 staggered. A lot of guys want the nice look of 18's on a S chassis, but turning/driving/rubbing up front with a 18 (especially a wide one) is not always favorable. Therefore, swapping to a 17 up front helps with both clearance and driveability

I agree with you, on stock body S chassis I would prefer 17's all around, no diameter stagger

But especially when you get to aero'ed S chassis....the rear of a 13 or 14 with a 17x9 out back just looks too mini (height wise). Then if you factor in wider fenders, etc, a 17 just doesn't cut it (and 18's doesn't automatically mean raked look is guaranteed)

Again, it all comes down to personal preference, and more than likely you'll see a disagreement in wheel sizing between people who like aero'ed cars and people who like stock body

[FaLKoN240]

I got my Work CR Kais from a local for CHEAP a while back...

Good deals pop up, its up to you to capitalize on them.

[WERDdabuilder]

I'm looking for the P-45R's, 4x114.3 (18")


you can start/end here...
http://ralphlosey.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/garbagetreasure.jpg

[lightsource]

Well... I've really wanted Volks and this thread's convinced me to go with the good stuff the first time around.

I wanted the TE37's or something along the lines of a wide 5 to 6 spoke wheel but I also wanted them flat black and I didn't want to get powdercoated wheels but if there aren't any good brand rims that have what I'm looking for then it looks like I'll have to do that.

Suggestion?

[ManoNegra]

Knockoff Wheels - I don't like garbage
Baller wheels - afraid they'll get stolen or damaged

Hence R33 wheels for me - sizing and offset isn't great but I can care less.

[VROOOM]

you can get black Enkei RPF1's now. they would be cheaper than volks and still a pretty good wheel(light too)

[A Spec Products]

Well... I've really wanted Volks and this thread's convinced me to go with the good stuff the first time around.

I wanted the TE37's or something along the lines of a wide 5 to 6 spoke wheel but I also wanted them flat black and I didn't want to get powdercoated wheels but if there aren't any good brand rims that have what I'm looking for then it looks like I'll have to do that.

Suggestion?

The thing is, you don't NEED to go that hardcore right off the bat

Meaning that it doesn't need to be Rotas or Volk or nothing

As ^^^ mentioned, you could go with Enkei RPF1, or others in the middle price range like Work Emotion (CR Kai/XD9/XT7/XC8), Gram Lights 57 D/Max/Optimise, 5Zigen FN01RC/ZR520, etc

TE37 does come in Flat Black finish though

If you don't have the money for Volks, don't do it until you either have the means, or can financially justify it

You gotta stay realistic

But that doesn't mean you need to settle for what you can get at the time either

I've always been a believer in saving up for what you want, since not only does that give you time to think and rethink your situation, do more research, but also allows you to get higher dollar items without taking shortcuts

Impulse buying and settling are often the most regretful decisions, and it always sucks when you could've spent a few extra hundred and got something you wanted in the first place

I've never owned a set of Volks myself personally since I can't financially justify it, but that's not to say that I don't run good wheels (I have Work Wheels), and I did it slowly and as my budget allowed (also as Scott said with capitalizing on good deals)

Like for example, I sold my (6) 17x9+17 CR Kai's WITH tires for $1500 a while back...so budget wise it's hard to say that real wheels are unattainable, because especially these days as the 240 market is popular there are many many options both new or used that can fit any persons budget

And to be honest, if you've only got say, $400 to budget on wheels, then maybe you shouldn't be modding a car until you can get the means to do so? Since the worst thing is to be in debt over a modified CAR...so many other higher level priorities should come before that

[WERDdabuilder]

if youre gonna spend 500$ on rota's why cant you save up another 700 and get some CR Kai or something? shits not hard.

[koukiVLAD]

I have 18x9.5's, if you want to buy them off me haha, other than that I dont think you will find them anywhere else right now unless you're doing a big group buy.

And to the people who talk negative things about Rota's the ones that had never used them mostly... Go spend your money on some brand wheel and then realize that you will most likely hit a curb or after awhile they will get used and there goes your money, not mentioning stealing can be a factor in some neighborhoods too.

Whats with all the "Rotas break they're dangerous", do you realize that a wheel cannot just simply break? If you drive like a madman any wheel is going to break, matter of time...

And who gives a sh*t if they're not some brand name wheel? I had alot of guys at local meets complement at my wheels, and yes they are aware that those are rotas.

And to whoever said they're heavy as shit is wrong, the wheel 22.1lb, I don't consider that heavy as shit, unless you're jdm or rich to get Nismo LMGT4's for alot of $.

I might be wrong in some things, and some of you disagree, but don't bash on Rotas if you haven't used them, and remember - the guy who wants to buy them WANTS them and its a personal choice... Not all of us are JDM or rich and all have ssr's, work and whatnot.

[Brian]

Sort of like when you grow up and everybody has a Louis Vuitton bag, then you stroll up with a fake one. Everybody else knows. You know.
Might as well just leave.

Poor people - get out of the car hobby.

[koukiVLAD]

Sort of like when you grow up and everybody has a Louis Vuitton bag, then you stroll up with a fake one. Everybody else knows. You know.
Might as well just leave.

Poor people - get out of the car hobby.

I'm pretty sure that alot of people on here are under 21, and not "rich", alot of us on a budget.
Yes we cannot afford the real deal, but why blow so much money on wheels anyway? 1500 for used set of work's or 2k or more for nismo's? P45 looks just like LMGT4 and almost 1/3 the price, so why not buy them? "oo because they're rotas" oh F***KING PLEASE..

I don't know, just my opinion personally.

[Brian]

Don't worry, You're just young and stupid.

When you are a young'n, you think a Rolex and the "Rolex" from the dude in Battery Park are the same thing, but cheaper.

[jdmdrft]

Nope sorry we arent that stupid.

we dont have money. most kids in high school make like a couple thousand a year if that.
i spend most of my money on gas.
i would like to have some work xd9s, but am i gonna pay 1400 and another 1500 for a set of decent coilovers to make the wheels look good, when i can buy some sportmaxs or rotas for 500 and some cheap coilovers for 800, and still look good.


and saying poor people should get out of the car hobby, thats fucking low.
just cause people dont make as much money as you doesnt mean you should bag on them.
we are all trying to make it here. and its people like you that cause alot of people to fail.
fucking immature in my opinion.

[ThatGuy]

I make very little money and have alot more priorities then a typical 16 year old KID would be worrying about. So if I want new parts for my car I save. I have pride in EVERY part I have bought for my car, and NONE of them are knock-offs.

Do it right the first time, or spend more then double to fix it later.

To help out Brian a little bit here: "Poor IMPATIENT people - get a new hobby"

[s13silady]

aaahhhh feels good to not be broke.

[jdmdrft]

and im not trying to say you cant save for parts.
cause thats a great idea if you really want it.
but if someone doesnt make alot of money they arent gonna be able to buy those kinds of wheels.
but knocking them isnt the way to get people to not buy knock-offs.

[Pank]

Driving a 100% stock car is better than driving one with shitty knockoff parts.
megans and sportmax's do not a cool car make. sorry.


but if someone doesnt make alot of money they arent gonna be able to buy those kinds of wheels.
THEN THEY SHOULDNT BE MODDING A CAR.

[ThatGuy]

but knocking them isnt the way to get people to not buy knock-offs.

Sure it is.

Human Nature is too avoid conflict. Therefore if you get bagged on everytime you purchase a knock-off part, human nature will kick in. Once that happens, then you can buy a REAL part and realize there really is a difference in quality for yourself, instead of just reading fanboy reviews of the newest poorly made "replica" of someone else's hard work and R&D.

Driving a 100% stock car is better than driving one with shitty knockoff parts.
megans and sportmax's do not a cool car make. sorry.

This force is strong with this one. :bow:

[koukiVLAD]

Don't worry, You're just young and stupid.

When you are a young'n, you think a Rolex and the "Rolex" from the dude in Battery Park are the same thing, but cheaper.

"Save Greddy, buy JDM", looks like I'm not the only one who's stupid.
Looks like alot of people choose to buy generic brands over Greddy, that Greddy got shut down... People finally realized that spending alot of money for one part is a ripoff ,a nd I don't blame them, even though Greddy makes top notch stuff, but buying a catback that costs $650 is ridiculous, which is why they get the same thing for half the price.

[Pank]

When people see a stock 240sx, in good shape, clean, they think "man, that car has been kept up".

if they see one equally as clean, bouncing on shitty coilovers, with rotas or sportmaxs, they thing "haha, look at this peice of poser shit"

[Brian]

stupid? alright

If you have low income, spending it on your CAR is a pretty stupid idea.

Hmmm, how often does a car go up in value?
It DEFINITLY isn't an investment.



Anyways..... I've said what needs to be said.

Accept it or deny it.

If you are poor, deal with it and deal with priorities.

[Pank]

Hmmm, how often does a car go up in value?

its only happened twice, and they're both toyotas.

[VROOOM]

If you have low income, spending it on your CAR is a pretty stupid idea.

Hmmm, how often does a car go up in value?
It DEFINITLY isn't an investment.



Anyways..... I've said what needs to be said.

Accept it or deny it.

If you are poor, deal with it and deal with priorities.

maybe 240's are not an investment but some high end older cars or muscle cars can be a great investment. my dad bought a 47 Chevy for 15k and when he got it insured they insured it for 30k. if it gets stolen or destroyed he makes 15k right off the bat.

[ThatGuy]

"Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah"

How many times are you gonna back peddle and change what you wrote, Kid?

Calm down and think about your response before you type it.

Just like parts. You get all excited and run out and buy whatever you can afford, then you look at it and realize you could have done better had you waited.

Thank you for giving a perfect analogy to follow my thought process.

[Brian]

EDIT - I was talking about MOST cars. 240sx is a good example to use here.

[Bushido]

this argument is hopeless, as it has been proven many times before it.

The only one thinking logical in this thread is Logan.

On a similar note, my exhaust exploded over a speedbump tonight, I paid 120 shipped for it and it lasted me almost 4 years. If it would have been a $1200 Ti name brand exhaust i'd probably be feeling quite shitty about it right now. ..

[jdmdrft]

well isnt that where the whole idea of modding cars came from?
poor guys/girls who didnt have alot of money but would put their heart into their cars?

now days its who has the most money is who makes the best car.
this world is shit.

money makes this world shit.
a guy puts his heart into his car and yet people ridicule him just cause you dont like it?
i grew up loving cars.
i can tell you almost anything you want to know about any jdm car.
if not ill research it and tell you the next day.
cars are my life.
i think the car world would be so much better if we could all look in the eye of the beholder.
but we have our heads stuck too far up our asses to care.
awesome.
i know grown up jdmdrft your just a kid. blah blah blah.
/end rant.

[lflkajfj12123]

^ dude shut up

we've all been were you are at one time

you're being the baby that everyone is assuming you are

[Bushido]

...zilvia.

[Brian]

well isnt that where the whole idea of modding cars came from?
poor guys/girls who didnt have alot of money but would put their heart into their cars?

now days its who has the most money is who makes the best car.
this world is shit.

money makes this world shit.
a guy puts his heart into his car and yet people ridicule him just cause you dont like it?
i grew up loving cars.
i can tell you almost anything you want to know about any jdm car.
if not ill research it and tell you the next day.
cars are my life.
i think the car world would be so much better if we could all look in the eye of the beholder.
but we have our heads stuck too far up our asses to care.
awesome.
i know grown up jdmdrft your just a kid. blah blah blah.
/end rant.


There were/are a lot of guys JUST like you.
They had/have such a deep passion for cars that they put hours and hours and hours and dollar after dollar into creating parts for those cars they love! They imagine parts that would be great, then make them!



THEN, one day.
A small company comes around and Steals the design that the original car lover created. This new company mass produces the part with cheaper materials and less quality control.


Is this making sense???


What happens to the original guy who loves cars so much and pours heart and soul into making anything he can for it... but then has scumbags come along and copy his products and sell them for as cheap as possible?

[murda-c]

Hell i don't care if the parts are knockoff or not as long as they do the job. Most of the time it ends up being worth spending the extra money, but sometimes it makes sense to be off brand parts.

Unless you're gonna get butthurt every time someone knocks on your car online, then i should introduce you to the majority of Americans who probably think 240s are all pieces of shit anyway.

If you can get me what i want cheaper than the other guy, i'm buying from you.

[articdragon192]

This story doesn't have a happy ending ;_; Why Brian?! Why?!

[4thHorse]

You could also get some MB weapons or MB comps. Depending on who you talk to, they are the cheapest jdm rims you can get.

Also don't forget to figure in tires, they can cost as much as the rims.

[s13silady]

There were/are a lot of guys JUST like you.
They had/have such a deep passion for cars that they put hours and hours and hours and dollar after dollar into creating parts for those cars they love! They imagine parts that would be great, then make them!



THEN, one day.
A small company comes around and Steals the design that the original car lover created. This new company mass produces the part with cheaper materials and less quality control.


Is this making sense???


What happens to the original guy who loves cars so much and pours heart and soul into making anything he can for it... but then has scumbags come along and copy his products and sell them for as cheap as possible?

i should be playing a violin for this (no sarcasm) just feel like it needs to have background music...

BH is right...

dude if you can save up 900 for knock off wheels... then have another 3-500 for tires, thats 1500, so many people sell good name brand wheels for that price WITH the tires most of the time. whos gonna get more props, when next to each other. a car filled with knock offs? or a car filled with authenticness (word? lol) and to those that say your just paying for the name, your bullshit.. your paying for the countless hours of research and development put into one part that a REAL manufacturer designed to last...

its like getting a tattoo... you gonna give someone money that knows what theyre doing and has been doing it for years? or to someone that comes up to and say hey i just started tattooing, ill give you one for HALF the price.... i dont know about you.. but ill pay money to get the quality artist...while i laugh at you getting a tattoo of a loved one and have it turned out retarded.

go ahead and do it cheap though..
http://www.bockscar.de/blog/Bilder/smile.jpg

[WERDdabuilder]

If you have low income, spending it on your CAR is a pretty stupid idea.

If you are poor, deal with it and deal with priorities.

OH MY GAAAAAAAAAAAD.

you know how many times ive told people this.

priorities > modding car.

the whole "wait and save a bit more for better quality" can go for everything in life....

think about a LCD tv.
you can spend like 500$ on a cheapo RCA tv or save another 300 and by a nice sony/samsung.

[RPSil13]

rota belong on nico and hondas, people that say that you cant judge rotas until you try them, are the ones that need to try good quality wheels, if your whole life youve been rolling on steelies and stock than of course when you buy your cheap rotas its gonna be the best thing you know b/c its ALL you know

"this the best damn cracker i ate in my life"
YouTube - Eddie Murphy - The Best Pussy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0x_dFMnZVI)

[CO240]

Im almost positive your not modding your car for anyone else but you. So if you want your ROTAs, have a ball. If you want Volks/Works, swell.

Bottom line: Why give a shit what people think of your car? If you dig it, f*uck everyone else!! Not your fault you werent born with a trust fund right?

[superJoy]

Capitalism is brutal. Deal with it.

Apple didn't sit on its ass after releasing the original iPhone. They fucking got right started on the 3G so Samsung, LG, etc. wouldn't be able to keep up.

I see GReddy releasing the same exhausts and intercooler kits for like 10 years now. Innovate, or get copied.

Same shit happens in every industry; it's like you guys think it's only happening in our little niche of the market.

Nah, this shit is universal.

It's wrong, but it's business, and if you wanna play the game you gotta take risks and you gotta stay sharp.

If Manufacturer A can deliver a product comparable to Manufacturer B at a lower price point, Manufacturer A wins.

If you wanna be real O.G. you may as well hunt down some Model Ts cause these little tin-can Nissans are just cheap foreign copies.

P.S. Manufacturer B very well may be higher quality, but that doesn't make people who buy products from Manufacturer A inferior to buyers of "B" goods--all it means is they have different priorities. And talking down to someone because they have different priorities (or, to look at it another way, opinions) is just straight up being an asshole. Doesn't matter how right one may be; it's still a total asshole move.

People buying Rota don't make my car ugly. Hell it makes mine look better by comparison. So why am I supposed to care what they buy again?

[racepar1]

All you people defending rotas don't really know what's up. First off rota's tend to crack/break. I have heard of it happening many times before on amny different cars. You say "it looks just like the real thing so why not buy it"? Because it is NOT the real thing nor does it PERFORM like the real thing. That statment rings true for almost every single knockoff part out there. That e-bay exhaust that supposedly performs just as well as that $600 greddy exhaust doesn't. It sounds like shit, is loud as fuck, the welds crack, and the resonator and muffler burn out in like a month. Those rotas are not as durable as the real thing, do not look quite as good, weigh significantly more, and do not hold their value as well as the real thing. Anybody who supposedly takes pride in their car would want to put the best possible parts that they could realistically afford and quality costs money. If knockoffs are the most you can realistically afford then you need to slow down the pace at which you are trying to mod your car and get the good shit.

[lightsource]

Wow! I've sparked some shit!
Well, I appreciate everyone's opinions & suggestions, I really do.
What I'm gathering from all the reply's is that I need to buy what's in my price range period. Because whether it be a stolen car, damaged car, or whatever there's a chance that if I spend too much money (in this point in my life) I could end up truly regretting my decision. I could also screw up and spend too little money and damage more than I originally suspected damaging.

Not bashing on the Rota guys/gals at all because I've never tried them. I would just rather go with a more acclaimed brand, like an enkei, volk, konig, gram light.

I build computers, and 90% of the time you get what you pay for. There's ALWAYS a catch to a component that doesn't cost a lot of money but performs just as well as the high costing item. Take for example a computer case, I bought a $100 computer case from a reputable company that has low costing high performance cases. I said screw that case, bought an upper class case, payed $200 and I'm WAYYYYYYY happier with this case than with the other. It performs just as well but QUALITY is a huge concern and with quality comes convenience, assurance and longevity.

I was talking with a friend of mine today and I was telling him about the Volks that I want to buy because they'll go with my paint scheme. When I was driving back home I was really thinking about what I was saying I needed $3000 for (new volks), and really I'm an 18 year old college student. I really don't need $3000 for damn wheels because they'll go well with my paint job. I've decided that I'm just going to get something that fits my damn budget!

Now $1500 is about as much as I can spend on wheels, so if I can find a set of flat black wheels that are a good brand I'm up for it. Not THIS SECOND but I'm not going to go all out on some wheels that cost more than my engine is worth.

Either way I have to save up my money, I can use the OTHER $1500 for a LOT of other things for my car, I need headers, downpipe, paint job, paint equipment, and I know that I'd rather have a full 3" exhaust setup than some damn volks

Once again, I appreciate everyone's input and time into this thread. I'm still deciding on the wheels, I'd really like some thick 5-6 spoked wheels, PREFERRABLY 4 lugged but 5 lug's fine, just gotta make a little more monies! :hsdance:

Thanks everyone!!!!!:bigok:

[DeeJay1337]

you can start/end here...
http://ralphlosey.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/garbagetreasure.jpg

priceless... lol

[Cloud9]

If you have low income, spending it on your CAR is a pretty stupid idea.

Hmmm, how often does a car go up in value?
It DEFINITLY isn't an investment.



Anyways..... I've said what needs to be said.

Accept it or deny it.

If you are poor, deal with it and deal with priorities.


hahaha what??? i have a low income cuz i go to school and work full time and my parents didnt pay for any of my things including school (not saying the opposite for you), but that doesnt mean im not going to give up the one thing i love doing. I just do what i can. I have put about 10k in my car in the past 3 years and i love where its at, 80% of my parts are NOT knockoffs but i do have rotas, beacuse i cant justify spending 2k on just some te's. i smashed a cub at 60 and the rota got me home, seriously....had a bent lca and the rim was facked but ehhh they are not that bad. Im not saying but im just saying


no one on here builds there car to make money, and being a car inthusist with a low budget is ok just look at them dsm'ers<<<joke lol not trying to rant, just seemed like a comment not well said.

[Cloud9]

All you people defending rotas don't really know what's up. First off rota's tend to crack/break. I have heard of it happening many times before on amny different cars. You say "it looks just like the real thing so why not buy it"? Because it is NOT the real thing nor does it PERFORM like the real thing. That statment rings true for almost every single knockoff part out there. That e-bay exhaust that supposedly performs just as well as that $600 greddy exhaust doesn't. It sounds like shit, is loud as fuck, the welds crack, and the resonator and muffler burn out in like a month. Those rotas are not as durable as the real thing, do not look quite as good, weigh significantly more, and do not hold their value as well as the real thing. Anybody who supposedly takes pride in their car would want to put the best possible parts that they could realistically afford and quality costs money. If knockoffs are the most you can realistically afford then you need to slow down the pace at which you are trying to mod your car and get the good shit.


awesome you have heard things, people are haters im sorry but you are right mine did crack...when i hit a curb at 60 mph hahaha
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g82/Cloud9VR4/Sonycellpics07-0879.jpg
ENJOY, this one i jb welded the other was missing 8 inches of the lip but held air to get me home... 8 miiles or so and obviously went slow but either way i was surprised it didnt shatter, just like everyone else i always heard horror stories and im sure some are true but dont believe everything you hear.

EDIT: i only jb welded it to see how it would turn out for fun

[az_240]

I <3 haters.

That is all.

[jackal264]

um i just thought i would throw this out there...

mb battles on sale at discounttiredirect 17x9.5+15 in gunmetal for 125 each, free shipping...

[koukiVLAD]

um i just thought i would throw this out there...

mb battles on sale at discounttiredirect 17x9.5+15 in gunmetal for 125 each, free shipping...

or mb weapons, which both look damn good and weight wise are not super heavy, and cheap as dirt...

Wait..... I forgot that they're knockoffs... :( You gotta buy the real stuff!!!

And Bushido, props to you, I cannot believe you're haven't gotten bashed to death yet lol, you car is sexy as hell though man.

[4thHorse]

or mb weapons, which both look damn good and weight wise are not super heavy, and cheap as dirt...

Wait..... I forgot that they're knockoffs... :( You gotta buy the real stuff!!!

And Bushido, props to you, I cannot believe you're haven't gotten bashed to death yet lol, you car is sexy as hell though man.


How are these knock offs?

[supermariokartdrift]

I've only seen 2 pics of broken rotas(probably the only 2 floating around) and it looked like they hit the wheell into a wall, even though you cant see the rest of the car to know what happend. I'm sure if you run any rim into a curb, pothole, or wall at 60mph it would crack or bend.

[5t341tH]

wouldnt u feel like shit when someone asks:
them - "cool wheels. what kind are they?"
you - "rotas"
them - "oh i see" with a change in face expression
iono. i feel better having products that are real because it feels like i've accomplished something. i worked hard for it and i have it in my possession.
i wouldnt feel like: "oh i cant afford that so ill just settle for this."

[az_240]

Just say they are Volk's or Bee Rs if you are worried about what other people think.

[yokotas13]

rota = ban

[wgJoY]

... how bout no, don't get Rota.

"Oh, it's cheaper so I'm going to buy Rota's"

DERP

You know the guy that leans back in the chair, with the shadows covering his face, that laughs and laughs and laughs while he makes thousands of dollars putting hardworking people out of business? Can you guess who he is?

I mean come on,

Their thieves!

Why would you want to support a thief? Think about it.

What did that old lady do, to deserve her purse getting stolen!

[bboyswoosh87]

I rather save up and buy the Bee Rs then Rota's replica wheel.

[SochBAT]

Personally, I'd do it.

I agree with Bushido, my SX is for me, i like the look.

And to the people that disagree with YOUR thoughts and opinions, fuck em.

DO what YOU want, its your car.

[MissShiftS13]

Personally I don't care if it's not on my car but the only people i have ever seen get all wet over Rotas were Honda heads. I say throw on whatever makes you happy but i wouldn't disrespect my Nissan by throwing some Rotas on it, not after saving money just to buy Cusco parts rather than having stuff by like Megan.

[zerooath]

or don't buy wheels at all until you can actually afford to....buy wheels?

Best post in this thread I think.

Why in the world would you waste money on a set of goofy wheels when, in the long run, your just gonna sell those wheels and throw some more of your money on top of that to afford some better quality wheels?

It makes more sense to just hold out until you can afford the better wheel. Nobody and I mean nobody has to have a set of Rotas or any other knock off to drive their car.

Maybe I'm just crazy. Or not a cheap ass.

[yokotas13]

subaru guys LOVE their fucking rotas

its liek the #1 wheel on Nasioc

fags

[zerooath]

^Haha. They go out and spend 12k+ on a subaru just to put some knock offs on it.

[derek_s13]

^^yeah what the hell is up with that.

subaru's are like the official cars of new england, and EVERY ONE takes off awesome bbs wheels
and puts on +40 rotas.




rota on a beat ass 240 or an old honda, i can see where one would get the idea.


but rotas on $25k BRAND NEW lancers and imprezas... i just don't understand the rationale.

[yokotas13]

yeah, i tried that, lost got 3 threads locked, 4 deleted, and 6 infraction points lol

[origin_s135]

i remember going to a union city subaru meet one time, some subaru owner was hating on my car. then when i see him get into his car. this mother fucker has those slipstreams on his shit. it was a black subaru with slipstreams. i LOL'ed. i hope somewhere down the line you fucking read this. fucking idiot.

[OTG Vinyl]

but rotas on $25k BRAND NEW lancers and imprezas... i just don't understand the rationale.

One of the many reasons Subaru owners aren't the brightest crayons in the box.

[OTG Vinyl]

And if anyone wants to play the wheel damage game, this was at about 20mph.
http://i34.tinypic.com/20z40ua.jpg

$140 wheel and $340 tire. This not only put the massive bend in it, there was a large crack behind the dent where the lip and spokes separated.

[origin_s135]

^^yeah what the hell is up with that.

subaru's are like the official cars of new england, and EVERY ONE takes off awesome bbs wheels
and puts on +40 rotas.




rota on a beat ass 240 or an old honda, i can see where one would get the idea.


but rotas on $25k BRAND NEW lancers and imprezas... i just don't understand the rationale.

i know a couple of friend's like that. they get creative with that shit too. like spraying the wheels with tires on and getting paint on the tires. fucking HILARIOUS.

[OTG Vinyl]

i know a couple of friend's like that. they get creative with that shit too. like spraying the wheels with tires on and getting paint on the tires. fucking HILARIOUS.

I've done something similar before, in my younger years. I put vaseline on the tires, then sprayed away, then waited for the paint to flash off and wiped the vaseline off. Came out decent, actually. No paint stayed on the tires. :ughd:

[Leetheslacker]

the way to do it is to get some notecards, stick them between the tire bead and wheel all around then then spray. easy peasy.


i still want some 4 lug 17x9 torques.

[96Turbo]

i think the rota p45r is a fucking sick wheel

perfect s chassis sizing, numerous colors, 4 and 5 lug, great spoke design (face it, every wheel is a knockoff of something else....there's only so many spoke designs to choose from), and CHEAP

I've got my heart set on this type of wheel.....so i find some URAS NS-01, Bee*R, or CST D-specs (all discontinued) with mad curb rash, and still end up paying a little more than i would have for a BRAND NEW set of rotas in better sizing....but the zilvia gods will scorn me

i don't get it..........i guess i'll never be "baller"

[J40sx]

i dont know how much they usually cost
but this website is known for selling rota's
for a good price, plus pick up is cheaper
than the price posted
Buy Rota Rims, Rota JMAG rims, Muteki Lug Nuts: JLB Motorsports (http://www.jlbmotorsports.com/rims/rota-list.html)

hope it helps you out

[ayuaddict]

i wish P45Rs came in 18x10.5 (i guess +15/+20 would be reasonable offsets).

so i can put spacers on them and have them on the rears and stuff.

or does anybody know where i can get a pair for like $150?

looking for like 18x9.5, i think they actually make those.

[s13silady]

i wish P45Rs came in 18x10.5 (i guess +15/+20 would be reasonable offsets).

so i can put spacers on them and have them on the rears and stuff.

or does anybody know where i can get a pair for like $150?

looking for like 18x9.5, i think they actually make those.

they do make 18x9.5. you can get em at wheeldude.com the lowest offset you can buy stateside is +20. they make a +12 or +15, but its special order.